Should firefighters refuse to answer calls to known NRA gun loon addresses?..better to let their houses burn to the ground than to be shot by a gun loon

[Too_Many_Tools]

Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
families at night.

Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
appreciate their sacrifices.

TMT


Gunman holding firefighters killed; 4 hostages OK
By JOHNNY CLARK and PHILLIP LUCAS | Associated Press

SUWANEE, Ga. (AP) — An armed man who was having financial problems
held four firefighters for hours in a suburban Atlanta home, demanding
his cable and power be turned back on, before being shot dead when
SWAT members stormed the house, authorities said Wednesday. The
hostages had cuts and bruises from explosions that officers set off to
distract the gunman before moving in, but they will be fine, a fire
official said.

Minutes before the police announcement on the resolution, a huge blast
could be heard a quarter-mile away from the home, shuddering through
the Suwanee neighborhood, setting off car alarms.

Earlier Wednesday, five firefighters responded to what seemed like a
routine medical call and were eventually taken hostage by an
unidentified suspect inside the house, police said. The gunman
released one of the firefighters to move a fire truck but held the
other four.

Dozens of police and rescue vehicles surrounded the home and a
negotiator was keeping in touch with the gunman, police said. The
situation remained tense until the blast rocked the neighborhood of
mostly two-story homes and well-kept lawns. Residents unable to get
into their neighborhood because of the police cordon flinched and
recoiled as the enormous blast went off.

Soon after the stun blast, officers exchanged gunfire with the suspect
and a SWAT member was shot in the hand or arm, but should be fine,
said Gwinnett County Police Cpl. Edwin Ritter. Ritter would not saw
how the gunman was fatally shot, saying it was being investigated.

"The explosion you heard was used to distract the suspect, to get into
the house and take care of business," Ritter said in a news conference
minutes after the resolution. He said the situation had gotten to the
point where authorities believed the lives of the hostages were in
"immediate danger."

The gunman, who has not been identified, demanded several utilities be
restored, Ritter said. According to public records, the home is in
foreclosure and has been bank-owned since mid-November.

"It's an unfortunate circumstance we did not want to end this way,"
Ritter said. "But with the decisions this guy was making, this was his
demise."

Firefighters were able to use their radios to let the dispatch center
know what was going on, said Fire Capt. Tommy Rutledge said, and
Ritter said officials decided to "get control of the situation" and do
it swiftly.

The incident occurred about 35 miles northeast of Atlanta, in the
Interstate 85 corridor, and Rutledge said the initial medical call
seemed routine and firefighters did not believe there was any danger.
One engine and one ambulance responded. Ritter said authorities didn't
yet know if the suspect may have faked a heart attack or some other
problem to bring the firefighters to his home.

"Our firefighters responded to a call they respond to hundreds of
times, and that's a medical emergency," Rutledge said.

Two ambulances could be seen leaving after the gunfire ended.

Asked what kind of weapon or weapons the suspect had, Ritter said he
didn't immediately know. He said investigators were in the house where
the suspect's body remained.

A spokeswoman for Gwinnett Medical Center said Wednesday night that
five firefighters and a police officer were treated at the hospital
and all were in good condition. A couple firefighters had already been
released, and it was expected that all of the firefighters would be
going home Wednesday night.

"In talking to the firefighters and their families just now, they're
relieved," the fire department's Rutledge said Wednesday evening at
the same briefing, according to video posted by WSB-TV. "They're
simply relieved that the situation is over, that their family members
are with them and that they're safe."

This was the second time in recent months that firefighters have been
targeted.

On Dec. 24, a man in upstate New York set his house ablaze and shot
and killed two firefighters as they arrived, then himself. Two other
firefighters and a police officer were wounded.

___

Lucas reported from Atlanta.

[Jeff M]

On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
> families at night.
>
> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
> appreciate their sacrifices.

By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
inadequate equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on.
it is not guns, per se.

> Gunman holding firefighters killed; 4 hostages OK
> By JOHNNY CLARK and PHILLIP LUCAS | Associated Press
>
> SUWANEE, Ga. (AP) — An armed man who was having financial problems
> held four firefighters for hours in a suburban Atlanta home, demanding
> his cable and power be turned back on, before being shot dead when
> SWAT members stormed the house, authorities said Wednesday. The
> hostages had cuts and bruises from explosions that officers set off to
> distract the gunman before moving in, but they will be fine, a fire
> official said.

[snip]

[George Plimpton]

On 4/10/2013 9:36 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>> families at night.
>>
>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>
> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
> repeatedly slashed budgets,

Democrats advocate cutting fire department budgets? I wasn't aware of that.

[jon_banquer]

Were your many sock puppets aware of it?

[STEADY EDDY]

Who gives a fuck what you think. All you post is bullshit.

[jon_banquer]

I care.

[Too_Many_Tools]

Very good point.

Now if fire departments would not respond to calls from known NRA
homes that contain known guns and explosives the department's costs
would be lower and staff would be safer.

And the world have fewer conservatives.


TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

> > Lucas reported from Atlanta.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Who gives a bullshit what you think. All you post is fuck.

Laugh..laugh..laugh..

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

Considering that attacking firefighters is becoming a trend, one would
expect fire departments will hesitate to respond to calls from known
conservative addresses.

That hesitation can result in the lives of conservatives and their
families.

One could say it is Karma's way of saying guns are a really bad idea.

TMT

[Scout]

On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

>Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
> families at night.
> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
> appreciate their sacrifices.

Why should police officers risk their lives with anti-gun nuts when they
could just let them face the violent criminals alone and go home to their
families at night.

Risk being shot or killed...and the liberals don't even
appreciate their sacrifices.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 11, 1:15 am, "Scout"

Are anti gun nuts shooting at the cops..or the firemen....or little
1st graders?

Of course they are not.

But the gun loons are...the conservative NRA sanctioned gun loons with
assault rifles with 30 cap. magazines.

Yeah...let a few NRA houses along with their guns and ammo burn and
the Country will be safer.

TMT

[RogerN]

"Jeff M" wrote in message
news:6eWdnQxFJr9aoPvM...@giganews.com...

>On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>> families at night.
>>
>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>
>By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations, inadequate
>equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on. it is not
>guns, per se.

<snip>

But since the sequester Obama and Biden have given how many $$$ to Muslim
extremist groups? That is money in addition to the money and arms they are
already giving them.

US unblocks $500 million in aid to Palestinians
The Times of Israel ^ | March 23, 2013 | Yoel Goldman

Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:42:12 PM by EinNYC

The US State Department announced on Friday that nearly $500 million in aid
had been unblocked for transfer to the Palestinian Authority, months after
Congress froze the funds in late-2012.

�To date, we have moved $295.7 million in fiscal year 2012 money� and $200
million in fiscal year 2013 assistance,� State Department spokeswoman
Victoria Nuland told reporters.

US Drowning in Debt, Obama Sends Money for Palestine Deficit

___

Although President Obama has admitted that we are out of money, he somehow
found $200 million to keep his pledge to the Palestinians. How sweet of him.

US transfers $200 million in aid to Palestinians
By KARIN LAUB

RAMALLAH, West Bank � The United States has transferred $200 million to
the Palestinian government to help ease a growing budget deficit, U.S.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday.

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad has been struggling in recent
months to keep his government afloat, borrowing hundreds of millions of
dollars from commercial banks just to cover the public payroll.

[Too_Many_Tools]

LOL...nobody is listening to you Roger...not your exwife, not us on
Usenet, not even your poor suffering dog.

Just start packing your guns...they are going bye bye.

Laugh....laugh..laugh...

TMT

[RogerN]

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
news:27a61cb8-0338-4564...@l5g2000pbp.googlegroups.com...

>On Apr 10, 10:24 pm, STEADY EDDY <steadyedd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Who gives a fuck what you think. All you post is bullshit.
>>
>> On Apr 10, 8:49 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>> > could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>> > families at night.
>>
>> > Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>> > appreciate their sacrifices.
>>
>> > TMT

<snip>
>
>I care.

Does is bother you that liberals are helping the Muslims to enable them to
(try to) destroy Israel?

I'm just wondering because I know you pointed out Alan Drakes hatred for
Jews. Not all liberals are Jew haters but in general, Jew haters are
liberals.

Everywhere Obama praised the people for embracing democracy is now under
Sharia Law, they hate Israel and they hate the USA, yet Obama supports them.
Obama is helping Israel's enemies rise in power. Obama sent Muslim
Brotherhood controlled Egypt weapons including fighter jets and tanks that
will most likely be used against Israel. Obama only has the USA assist
revolutions that can become more radically Islamic.

RogerN

[Too_Many_Tools]

> RogerN- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL...nobody is listening to you Roger...not your exwife, not us on
Usenet, not even your poor suffering dog.

Just start packing your guns...they are going bye bye....complements
of Obama our Glorious Leader.

Laugh....laugh..laugh...

TMT

[jon_banquer]

Jew haters come in all forms and I don't see that as an liberal or a
conservative problem.

I think the US should not be giving foreign aid to Egypt or to Israel
or to any other country. I think Ron Paul has this right. Not sure if
Gary Johnson supports this as well. My guess is he probably does.

While we are at it I also think Barry Goldwater had it right with not
wanting the government involved in the abortion issue and you have it
wrong:

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There is no position on which people are so immovable as their
religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a
debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this
supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on
one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are
growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with
wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following
their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious
groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you
with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of
the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen
that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,'
and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they
presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I
am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of
every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to
control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them
today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate
their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of
'conservatism.'

Barry Goldwater"

I'm a conservative, Roger. A real conservative, not the fake, phony
conservatives that people like Rush Limbaugh and George W Bush are.

[jon_banquer]

I'm listening to Roger.

[jon_banquer]

Watch this, Roger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27hZXCX-Bs

[Tom Sr.]

Hi, Jon.

So some of you are still around!

I wish you folks would speak-up more often, but I know even you folks
-- maybe, especially you folks -- get shouted down by the far-right
Ko0Ks all too often.

I remember when Goldwater was running for president and I did not like
his views then. I must say however, I think as years passed, and the
ultraconservative fanatics took more and more control of the
Republican Party. I saw Senator Goldwaters understanding and depth of
the rational conservative viewpoint grew greatly.

There will always be disagreements between those on the right and
those on the left -- but as a progressive/liberal, I must say I miss
your real, *rational* conservatism.

Nowadays the vast majority of those ranting the title of
"conservative" are truly *ultraconservatives* -- reactionary
extremists whose willful-ignorance and hate-filled, self-blinded
beliefs are truly hurting our United States of America.

So, be well, brother.

.


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[Jeff M]

On 4/11/2013 12:59 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On Apr 10, 10:49 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>> families at night.
>>
>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>>
>> TMT
>>
>> Gunman holding firefighters killed; 4 hostages OK
>> By JOHNNY CLARK and PHILLIP LUCAS | Associated Press
>>
>> SUWANEE, Ga. (AP) — An armed man who was having financial problems
>> held four firefighters for hours in a suburban Atlanta home, demanding
>> his cable and power be turned back on, before being shot dead when
>> SWAT members stormed the house, authorities said Wednesday. The
>> hostages had cuts and bruises from explosions that officers set off to
>> distract the gunman before moving in, but they will be fine, a fire

>> official said.[snip]

>> This was the second time in recent months that firefighters have been
>> targeted.
>>
>> On Dec. 24, a man in upstate New York set his house ablaze and shot
>> and killed two firefighters as they arrived, then himself. Two other
>> firefighters and a police officer were wounded.

[snip]
>> ___

> Considering that attacking firefighters is becoming a trend, one would
> expect fire departments will hesitate to respond to calls from known
> conservative addresses.

I'm calling "bullshit" on that one. No firefighter or emergency service
professional I've ever known would allow their own or anybody else's
politics to influence their conduct in an emergency.

However, we do sometimes see the same people and groups who complained
about our budget and wanted it cut later complain about about consequent
problems like long response times and reduced services.

[Jeff M]

On 4/11/2013 1:53 AM, RogerN wrote:
> "Jeff M" wrote in message
> news:6eWdnQxFJr9aoPvM...@giganews.com...
>
>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>
>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>>> families at night.
>>>
>>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>>
>> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations, inadequate
>> equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on. it is not
>> guns, per se.
>
> <snip>

... and moving on to an entirely unrelated topic ...

[George Plimpton]

On 4/10/2013 8:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> Why should firefighters risk their lives

It's their job.

Firefighters will respond to fires at anyone's house.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/11/2013 6:54 AM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 1:53 AM, RogerN wrote:
>> "Jeff M" wrote in message
>> news:6eWdnQxFJr9aoPvM...@giganews.com...
>>
>>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>>>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>>>> families at night.
>>>>
>>>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>>>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>>>
>>> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>>> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
>>> inadequate
>>> equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on. it is not
>>> guns, per se.
>>
>> <snip>
>
> ... and moving on to an entirely unrelated topic ...

Right. The below proves that in dealing with the sequester, the Obama
regime is doing everything it can to make the cuts more painfully felt
by some people in order to stir up shit.

>
>> But since the sequester Obama and Biden have given how many $$$ to Muslim
>> extremist groups? That is money in addition to the money and arms
>> they are
>> already giving them.
>>
>> US unblocks $500 million in aid to Palestinians
>> The Times of Israel ^ | March 23, 2013 | Yoel Goldman
>>
>> Posted on Saturday, March 23, 2013 9:42:12 PM by EinNYC
>>
>> The US State Department announced on Friday that nearly $500 million
>> in aid
>> had been unblocked for transfer to the Palestinian Authority, months
>> after
>> Congress froze the funds in late-2012.
>>

>> �To date, we have moved $295.7 million in fiscal year 2012 money� and
>> $200
>> million in fiscal year 2013 assistance,� State Department spokeswoman

>> Victoria Nuland told reporters.
>>
>> US Drowning in Debt, Obama Sends Money for Palestine Deficit
>>
>> ___
>>
>> Although President Obama has admitted that we are out of money, he
>> somehow
>> found $200 million to keep his pledge to the Palestinians. How sweet
>> of him.
>>
>> US transfers $200 million in aid to Palestinians
>> By KARIN LAUB
>>

>> RAMALLAH, West Bank � The United States has transferred $200

[deep]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:25:02 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

>On 4/11/2013 6:54 AM, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 4/11/2013 1:53 AM, RogerN wrote:
>>> "Jeff M" wrote in message
>>> news:6eWdnQxFJr9aoPvM...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>>>>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>>>>> families at night.
>>>>>
>>>>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>>>>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>>>>
>>>> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>>>> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
>>>> inadequate
>>>> equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on. it is not
>>>> guns, per se.
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>
>> ... and moving on to an entirely unrelated topic ...
>
>Right. The below proves that in dealing with the sequester, the Obama
>regime is doing everything it can to make the cuts more painfully felt
>by some people in order to stir up shit.
>
>

It's the Republicans that have openly vowed to block everything Obama
and the Democrats want to do. And when they can't, get keep doing the
same vote over and over. What is it now, 30 times they brought up the
ACA to try to vote it down? Talk about sore losers.

[George Plimpton]

Obama is cynically manipulating the cuts to try to gain political
advantage from it.

[Poor Repressed, Deprived, Victimized Republic-Loons]

On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
> families at night.
>
>

When universal gun registration completes, firefighters
will know which houses have firearms in them and will be
free to avoid those dangerous places.

Why risk your life for a gun hugger ?


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Conservatives remind me of Yosemite Sam, Wile E. Coyote, and Elmer Fudd.
They bring the guns, the stupidity, and of course, the failure. SAVE
AMERICA!! Spay or neuter your Republican!!

[George Plimpton]

On 4/11/2013 7:51 AM, Poor Repressed, Deprived, Victimized

Republic-Loons wrote:
> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>> families at night.
>>
>>
>
>
> When universal gun registration completes,

Not going to happen

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:43:23 -0600, deep wrote:

>It's the Republicans that have openly vowed to block everything Obama
>and the Democrats want to do.

cite

[deep]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:47:35 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

Bullshit. He's trying to do the right thing without any help
whatsoever from the Republicans.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:51:18 -0500, "Poor Repressed, Deprived,
Victimized Republic-Loons" <youarea...@ajksd.com> wrote:

>When universal gun registration completes, firefighters
>will know which houses have firearms in them and will be
>free to avoid those dangerous places.

ROFLMAO


you really *are* as simple as they say.

[George Plimpton]

No, not bullshit.

> He's trying to do the right thing

Bullshit.

> without any help whatsoever from the Republicans.

They're doing the right thing in trying to tie his hands.

[JohnJohnsn]

On Apr 11, 12:37 am, suspected mail bomber and unindicted co-
conspirator, "strawman" gun purchaser, and husband of triple-murderer,
Amy Bishop, James "TMT Jimmy" Anderson, a/k/a "Too_Many_Tools/

Too_Few_Brains" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Apr 10, 11:36 pm, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>>> families at night.
>
>>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>
>> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
>> inadequate equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on.
>> it is not guns, per se.
>
>>> Gunman holding firefighters killed; 4 hostages OK
>>> By JOHNNY CLARK and PHILLIP LUCAS | Associated Press
>
>>> SUWANEE, Ga. (AP) — An armed man who was having financial problems
>>> held four firefighters for hours in a suburban Atlanta home, demanding
>>> his cable and power be turned back on, before being shot dead when
>>> SWAT members stormed the house, authorities said Wednesday. The
>>> hostages had cuts and bruises from explosions that officers set off to
>>> distract the gunman before moving in, but they will be fine, a fire
>>> official said.
>
>> [snip]
>
> Very good point
>

A very "good point" is to point out that the "snippage" hid the proof
of Usenet Gun Control "TMT Jimmy" Anderson's stupidity:

[Restored text]

Earlier Wednesday, five firefighters responded to what seemed like a

routine medical call..."

[/Restored text]

Despite this fact, strawman gun buyer "TMT Jimmy" began his usual "I
Hate the NRA!" rant with:

"Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they

could just let the houses burn to the ground..."

thereby proving he didn't even read his own source!

"Stupid is as Stupid TMT Jimmy does"
--Forrest Gump commenting on James Amderson

>
> Now if fire departments would not respond to calls from known NRA
> homes that contain known guns and explosives the department's costs

> would be lower...
>
...and their city's legal fees would SKYROCKET as they were sued for
violating the United States Constitution's "Equal Protection Clause."

QUESTION OF THE DAY:

"Who is the `Pivot Man' in the Jeffy McCann, Jimmy Anderson and Ed
Huntress `Circle Jerk': is it Scheißekopf Tiefe Scheiße?"

"Inquiring minds want to know."

[JohnJohnsn]

On Apr 11, 9:25 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

>
>
> On 4/11/2013 6:54 AM, Jeff McCann wrote:
>
>> On 4/11/2013 1:53 AM, RogerN wrote:
>

>>>"Jeff McCann" wrote in message

>>> news:6eWdnQxFJr9aoPvM...@giganews.com...
>
>>>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>>>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>>>>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>>>>> families at night.
>
>>>>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>>>>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>
>>>> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>>>> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
>>>> inadequate
>>>> equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on. it is not
>>>> guns, per se.
>
>>> <snip>
>
>> ... and moving on to an entirely unrelated topic ...
>
> Right. The below proves that in dealing with the sequester, the Obama
> regime is doing everything it can to make the cuts more painfully felt
> by some people in order to stir up shit.
>

[Cut to the chase:]

Email tells feds to make sequester as painful as promised
By Stephen Dinan | The Washington Times
Tuesday, March 5, 2013


The White House announced Tuesday that it is canceling tours of the
president’s home for the foreseeable future as the sequester spending
cuts begin to bite and the administration makes good on its warnings
of painful decisions.

Announcement of the decision — made in an email from the White House
Visitors Office — came hours after The Washington Times reported on
another administration email that seemed to show at least one agency
has been instructed to make sure the cuts are as painful as President
Obama promised they would be.

In the internal email, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
official Charles Brown said he asked if he could try to spread out the
sequester cuts in his region to minimize the impact, and he said he
was told not to do anything that would lessen the dire impacts
Congress had been warned of.

“We have gone on record with a notification to Congress and whoever
else that ‘APHIS would eliminate assistance to producers in 24 states
in managing wildlife damage to the aquaculture industry, unless they
provide funding to cover the costs.’ So it is our opinion that however
you manage that reduction, you need to make sure you are not
contradicting what we said the impact would be,” Mr. Brown, in the
internal email, said his superiors told him.

Neither Mr. Brown nor the main APHIS office in Washington returned
calls seeking comment, but Agriculture Secretary Thomas J. Vilsack,
who oversees the agency, told Congress he is trying to give
flexibility where he can.

“If we have flexibility, we’re going to try to use it to make sure we
use sequester in the most equitable and least disruptive way,” the
secretary told Rep. Kristi L. Noem, a South Dakota Republican who
grilled Mr. Vilsack about the email. “There are some circumstances,
and we’ve talked a lot about the meat inspection, where we do not have
that flexibility because there are so few accounts.”

Ms. Noem told Mr. Vilsack that the email made it sound like the
administration was sacrificing flexibility in order to justify its
earlier dire predictions.

“I’m hopeful that isn’t an agenda that’s been put forward,” the
congresswoman told Mr. Vilsack.

Late Tuesday evening, the Agriculture Department issued a statement
disputing Mr. Brown’s read of the situation. The department said Mr.
Brown had suggested dividing his region’s cuts among a number of
states but he was told that idea was already part of their sequester
plans.

“The APHIS budget officer explained that USDA is already proposing
these steps in order to avoid furloughs. USDA is committed to doing
all we can to minimize the impact of sequester [for] our employees and
the farmers, ranchers, and rural communities we serve,” the department
said in its statement.

The $85 billion in automatic spending cuts began Friday, leaving the
White House with tough decisions to make — though it argues its hands
are tied by the way the cuts were written into law.

That’s left the administration trying to balance dire predictions with
good management.

Last week, immigration officials confirmed they were releasing
immigrants awaiting deportation from their detention centers in order
to save money, and this week top officials said they were already
seeing long lines at airports because of cuts in screenings.

But those decisions are being scrutinized as agencies continue to
advertise for job openings and spend on other priorities.

The White House had to fend off questions Tuesday about the Homeland
Security Department’s decision to sign a $50 million contract for new
uniforms for airport screeners, just days before the sequesters.

All sides in Washington agree there should be a way to lessen some of
the impacts of the cuts.

The House will take at least a step toward that Wednesday when it
votes on a new spending bill for the rest of fiscal year 2013 that
would mitigate at least some of the sequester impacts in the Defense
Department.

Senate Democrats are looking to write an even broader bill to
rearrange money in several accounts.

Mr. Obama is pushing for the broadest possible deal later this year
that would raise taxes and cut entitlement spending in order to
restore some of the money trimmed in sequestration.

The White House said he made calls to some key members of Congress to
sound them out on the prospects for that kind of deal.

“The president is engaging with lawmakers of both parties and will
continue to do so,” White House press secretary Jay Carney told
reporters.

For now, though, the cuts remain in place — and that means the end of
White House tours.

“Due to staffing reductions resulting from sequestration, we regret to
inform you that White House Tours will be canceled effective Saturday,
March 9, 2013 until further notice. Unfortunately, we will not be able
to reschedule affected tours,” the White House said in an email to
members of Congress.

The decision drew a derisive response from Capitol Hill, where
Republicans said the move undercut Mr. Obama’s promises of openness.

Rep. Bill Johnson, Ohio Republican, said President Lincoln managed to
keep the White House open during the darkest days of the Civil War,
and wondered why Mr. Obama couldn’t do the same.

“If the president is unable to figure out how to keep the White House
open to the American people after an 8.2 percent budget cut, then the
American people are entitled to some answers from their chief
executive as to why.”

The Capitol is facing its own cuts.

At the Capitol, staffers entering the building’s West Front were told
Tuesday that the doorway there would be closed as of next week due to
sequestration. That entrance is currently limited to credentialed
visitors, so it won’t affect the public.

-30-

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/5/email-tells-feds-make-sequester-painful-promised/

[deep]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118614/-Biden-Mitch-McConnell-vowed-no-cooperation-with-the-Obama-administration-from-the-get-go

[JohnJohnsn]

On Apr 11, 8:29 am, "Tom Sr." <thomas.swift.sen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
I doubt many people in this news groups even know who "Tom Swift" was,
Sr. :)

And as a little trivia factoid, even fewer realize the name "TASER" is
an acronym for "Thomas A Swift's Electric Rifle." :D

Continuing on:

> Republican Party. I saw Senator Goldwater's understanding and depth

> of the rational conservative viewpoint grew greatly.
>

I remember that election cycle well: "AuH²O in `64"

His own "SigFile" was "In your heart, you know he's right"; which the
DNC countered with "In your guts, you know he's NUTS!"

And history's proven he _was_ "right" and it was the Democrat Party
that was "nuts."

>
> There will always be disagreements between those on the right
> and those on the left -- but as a progressive/liberal, I must say I miss
> your real, *rational* conservatism.
>
> Nowadays the vast majority of those ranting the title of
> "conservative" are truly *ultraconservatives* -- reactionary
> extremists whose willful-ignorance and hate-filled, self-blinded
> beliefs are truly hurting our United States of America.
>

Some of us Conservatives are only "ultraconservative" on certain
issues: like the Democrats' fighting so hard to disarm "the Prols" so
only the Democrat elite have guns, or are protected by security guards
_with_ guns. <cough>Mikey_Bloomberg<cougn>

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
--George Orwell, `Animal Farm' (1945)

[jon_banquer]

Barry Goldwater wasn't what the Johnson campaign made him out to be,
nor was he perfect. Goldwater was a simple but honest guy who spoke
his mind and who didn't lie. To me Goldwater's ethics are what really
stand out today. For sure he had better ethics and was a far better
person than Lyndon Johnson, Ronald Reagan, either Bush, Clinton, etc.

[Wayne]

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
news:8ae99c01-9b58-4a83...@u20g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

>Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>families at night.

>Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>appreciate their sacrifices.

>TMT

Simple answer proven repeatedly by testing.
Ammunition is very low risk when:
1. Burned
2. Dropped for heights
3. Crushed
4. etc.

Typically one round activated outside of a gun barrel has little possibility
of causing damage.
A few other rounds nearby may be activated, but there is no chain reaction.

I have often received boxes of loose rounds shipped by UPS to my home, and
not handled with kid gloves in transit or in delivery.

It's irrelevant, and firefighters know it.
Reactionary officials however, seldom operate with facts.

[George Plimpton]

The computerless toolless clueless dickless 'tmt' is just shit-stirring.
He isn't trying to say anything serious.

[JohnJohnsn]

On Apr 11, 10:50 am, Tiefe Scheiße <du...@vlillldm.dnc.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:57:20 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:43:23 -0600, Tiefe Scheiße wrote:
>
>>> It's the Republicans that have openly vowed to block
>>> everything Obama and the Democrats want to do.
>
>> cite
>

>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118614/-Biden-Mitch-McConnell-vowed-no-coopeation-with-the-Obama-administration-from-the-get-go
Biden: Mitch McConnell vowed no cooperation with the Obama
administration from the get-go

ROTFLMAO! ;D

The Daily Kooks as your "cite;" eh, Scheißekopf?

Did you even listen to the audio?
Mitch McConnell: Top Priority, Make Obama a One Term President
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc

From "Our top political priority over the next two years is to deny
President Obama a second term" you leap to "It's the Republicans that

have openly vowed to block everything Obama and the Democrats want to
do."

Typical VLILLLDM "Leap of `logic'," Scheißekopf!

If that were true, Obama would have been unable to get any of these
passed:

Major legislation Enacted

Acts of the 111th United States Congress
January 3, 2009 – January 3, 2011

January 29, 2009: Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111–2
February 4, 2009: Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization
Act (SCHIP), Pub.L. 111–3
February 17, 2009: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
(ARRA), Pub.L. 111–5
March 11, 2009: Omnibus Appropriations Act, 2009, Pub.L. 111–8
March 30, 2009: Omnibus Public Land Management Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111–
11
April 21, 2009: Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act, Pub.L. 111–13
May 20, 2009: Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111–
21
May 20, 2009: Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009, Pub.L.
111–22
May 22, 2009: Weapon Systems Acquisition Reform Act of 2009, Pub.L.
111–23
May 22, 2009: Credit CARD Act of 2009, Pub.L. 111–24
June 22, 2009: Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, as
Division A of Pub.L. 111–31
June 24, 2009: Supplemental Appropriations Act of 2009 including the
Car Allowance Rebate System (Cash for Clunkers), Pub.L. 111–32
October 28, 2009: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year
2010, including the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes
Prevention Act, Pub.L. 111–84
November 6, 2009: Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act
of 2009, Pub.L. 111–92
December 16, 2009: Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2010, Pub.L. 111–
117
February 12, 2010: Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act, as Title I of Pub.L.
111–139
March 4, 2010: Travel Promotion Act of 2009, as Section 9 of Pub.L.
111–145
March 18, 2010: Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act, Pub.L.
111–147
March 23, 2010: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Pub.L. 111–
148
March 30, 2010: Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010,
including the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, Pub.L. 111–
152
May 5, 2010: Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of
2010, Pub.L. 111–163
July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and
Divestment Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111–195
July 21, 2010: Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection
Act, Pub.L. 111–203
July 29, 2010: Tribal Law and Order Act of 2010
August 3, 2010: Fair Sentencing Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111–220
August 10, 2010: SPEECH Act, Pub.L. 111–223
September 27, 2010: Small Business Jobs and Credit Act of 2010, Pub.L.
111–240
December 8, 2010: Claims Resolution Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111–291
December 13, 2010: Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111–
296
December 17, 2010: Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization,
and Job Creation Act of 2010, Pub.L. 111–312, H.R. 4853
December 22, 2010: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010, Pub.L.
111–321, H.R. 2965
January 2, 2011: James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of
2010, Pub.L. 111–347, H.R. 847
January 4, 2011: Shark Conservation Act, Pub.L. 111–348, H.R. 81
January 4, 2011: Food Safety and Modernization Act, Pub.L. 111–353,
H.R. 2751

Acts of the 112th United States Congress
January 3, 2011 – January 3, 2013

April 15, 2011: 2011 United States federal budget (as Department of
Defense and Full-Year Continuing Appropriations Act, 2011), Pub.L. 112–
10
August 2, 2011: Budget Control Act of 2011, Pub.L. 112–25
September 16, 2011: Leahy-Smith America Invents Act, Pub.L. 112–29
October 21, 2011: United States-Korea Free Trade Agreement
Implementation Act, Pub.L. 112–41
October 21, 2011: United States-Colombia Trade Promotion Agreement
Implementation Act, Pub.L. 112–42
October 21, 2011: United States-Panama Trade Promotion Agreement
Implementation Act, Pub.L. 112–43
December 31, 2011: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year
2012, Pub.L. 112–81
February 22, 2012: Middle Class Tax Relief and Job Creation Act of
2012, Pub.L. 112–96
March 8, 2012: Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement
Act of 2011, Pub.L. 112–98
April 4, 2012: Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act of 2012
(STOCK Act), Pub.L. 112–105
April 5, 2012: Jumpstart Our Business Startups Act (JOBS Act), Pub.L.
112–106
July 6, 2012: Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act
(MAP-21 Act), Pub.L. 112–141
September 28, 2012: Continuing Appropriations Resolution, 2013, Pub.L.
112–175
November 27, 2012: Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2012,
Pub.L. 112–199
January 2, 2013: American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, H.R. 8

Acts of the 113th United States Congress
January 3, 2013 – January 3, 2015

March 7, 2013: Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013,
Pub.L. 113–4
March 13, 2013: Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Reauthorization
Act of 2013, Pub.L. 113–5
March 26, 2013: 2013 United States federal budget (as Consolidated and
Further Continuing Appropriations Act, 2013), Pub.L. 113–6

QUESTION: "How do you know when VLILLLDM Tiefe Scheiße is lying to
Usenet?"

ANSWER: There 1s and 0s being emitted from his computer keyboard!"

[Michael A. Terrell]

JohnJohnsn wrote:
>
> I remember that election cycle well: "AuH淋 in `64"


I got a Chemistry set for Christmas with a bottle of AuH淋 at the
time he was running.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Wayne wrote:
>
> Simple answer proven repeatedly by testing.
> Ammunition is very low risk when:
> 1. Burned
> 2. Dropped for heights
> 3. Crushed
> 4. etc.
>
> Typically one round activated outside of a gun barrel has little possibility
> of causing damage.
> A few other rounds nearby may be activated, but there is no chain reaction.
>
> I have often received boxes of loose rounds shipped by UPS to my home, and
> not handled with kid gloves in transit or in delivery.
>
> It's irrelevant, and firefighters know it.
> Reactionary officials however, seldom operate with facts.

When they have identified the homes of all the mentally ill, they
will know which homes to let burn. In fact, the 911 databases can be
updated to DNR to those addresses for any calls. T_F_N would be at the
top of that list, If they haven't put him in a zoo that displays the
mentally ill so regular people can see why they should be treated as the
useless things they really are. I.O.W., a real, 'Scared Straight'
program.

[RogerN]

"jon_banquer" wrote in message
news:70cf6124-0a58-4039...@wm7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

>On Apr 11, 12:52 am, jon_banquer <jonbanq...@yahoo.com> wrote:

><snip>

>>
>> I'm a conservative, Roger. A real conservative, not the fake, phony
>> conservatives that people like Rush Limbaugh and George W Bush are.
>
>
>Watch this, Roger:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27hZXCX-Bs

The video's loading, reduced bandwidth because of usage limits...

I'm not so anti-abortion as people think because of my posts. I am against
the hypocrisy of those who don't care about 1.2 million abortions a year,
aborted children, and then trying to use 20 children deaths as an excuse to
attack the 2nd amendment rights of law abiding citizens. The liberals call
them a "fetus" or "zygote" to dehumanize them, just like Hitler dehumanized
the Jews. The liberals claim the woman's body isn't any of my business,
fine, but yet they want us forced to buy healthcare that covers birth
control and abortions. ACLJ's been going to court over the
unconstitutionality of some parts of ObamaCare and they have won 6 for 6 so
far.

RogerN

[George Plimpton]

On 4/11/2013 11:08 AM, RogerN wrote:
> "jon_banquer" wrote in message
> news:70cf6124-0a58-4039...@wm7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>
>> On Apr 11, 12:52 am, jon_banquer <jonbanq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I'm a conservative, Roger. A real conservative,

Bullshit. Little jonny banqueer isn't even a believable fake
conservative. He's left-wing.

[jon_banquer]

You continue to want to make abortion a liberal vs conservative issue
and it isn't.

[jon_banquer]

A fake, phony conservative like Pimple no idea what a real
conservative is. Everything about Pimple is fake... from his phony
posting name to all the sock puppets he uses.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 11, 2:52 am, jon_banquer <jonbanq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 12:20 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 11, 2:11 am, "RogerN" <re...@midwest.net> wrote:
>
> > > "jon_banquer"  wrote in message
>

> > >news:27a61cb8-0338-4564...@l5g2000pbp.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >On Apr 10, 10:24 pm, STEADY EDDY <steadyedd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >> Who gives a fuck what you think. All you post is bullshit.

>
> > > >> On Apr 10, 8:49 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
> > > >> > could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
> > > >> > families at night.
>
> > > >> > Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
> > > >> > appreciate their sacrifices.
>
> > > >> > TMT

> > > <snip>
>
> > > >I care.
>
> > > Does is bother you that liberals are helping the Muslims to enable them to
> > > (try to) destroy Israel?
>
> > > I'm just wondering because I know you pointed out Alan Drakes hatred for
> > > Jews.  Not all liberals are Jew haters but in general, Jew haters are
> > > liberals.
>
> > > Everywhere Obama praised the people for embracing democracy is now under
> > > Sharia Law, they hate Israel and they hate the USA, yet Obama supports them.
> > > Obama is helping Israel's enemies rise in power.  Obama sent Muslim
> > > Brotherhood controlled Egypt weapons including fighter jets and tanks that
> > > will most likely be used against Israel.  Obama only has the USA assist
> > > revolutions that can become more radically Islamic.
>
> > > RogerN- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > LOL...nobody is listening to you Roger...not your exwife, not us on
> > Usenet, not even your poor suffering dog.
>
> > Just start packing your guns...they are going bye bye....complements
> > of Obama our Glorious Leader.
>
> > Laugh....laugh..laugh...
>
> > TMT
>
> I'm listening to Roger.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

At your own risk Jon. ;<)

Actually is an interesting example of a conservative religious poser
who HATES women.

He is an interesting lab rat to study...

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 11, 8:52 am, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 12:59 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10, 10:49 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
> >> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
> >> families at night.
>
> >> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
> >> appreciate their sacrifices.
>
> >> TMT
>

> >> Gunman holding firefighters killed; 4 hostages OK
> >> By JOHNNY CLARK and PHILLIP LUCAS | Associated Press
>
> >> SUWANEE, Ga. (AP) — An armed man who was having financial problems
> >> held four firefighters for hours in a suburban Atlanta home, demanding
> >> his cable and power be turned back on, before being shot dead when
> >> SWAT members stormed the house, authorities said Wednesday. The
> >> hostages had cuts and bruises from explosions that officers set off to
> >> distract the gunman before moving in, but they will be fine, a fire
> >> official said.[snip]

> >> This was the second time in recent months that firefighters have been
> >> targeted.
>
> >> On Dec. 24, a man in upstate New York set his house ablaze and shot
> >> and killed two firefighters as they arrived, then himself. Two other
> >> firefighters and a police officer were wounded.
> [snip]
> >> ___
> > Considering that attacking firefighters is becoming a trend, one would
> > expect fire departments will hesitate to respond to calls from known
> > conservative addresses.
>
> I'm calling "bullshit" on that one.  No firefighter or emergency service
> professional I've ever known would allow their own or anybody else's
> politics to influence their conduct in an emergency.
>
> However, we do sometimes see the same people and groups who complained
> about our budget and wanted it cut later complain about about consequent
> problems like long response times and reduced services.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree..but as more and more emergency personel are attacked by gun
loons, the self presevation gene kicks in.

Response times will be slower, personel will be more cautious=longer
period of care, so yes I would say that it will affect calls to gun
loons.

I note that the four people who were held hostage were all EMTs...very
lucky EMTs this time.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 11, 9:08 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

> On 4/10/2013 8:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> > Why should firefighters risk their lives
>

> It's their job.
>
> Firefighters will respond to fires at anyone's house.

Going home at night to their families trumps "its their job".

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 11, 9:51 am, "Poor Repressed, Deprived, Victimized Republic-

Loons" <youareadumb...@ajksd.com> wrote:
> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> > Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
> > could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
> > families at night.
>
> When universal gun registration completes,  firefighters
> will know which houses have firearms in them and will be
> free to avoid those dangerous places.
>
> Why risk your life for a gun hugger ?
>
> --

> -- ---http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NUZ_fM-TQKQ/Sf9PJCiSbLI/AAAAAAAANYI/wzO53Xg...

>
> Conservatives remind me of Yosemite Sam, Wile E. Coyote, and Elmer Fudd.
> They bring the guns, the stupidity, and of course, the failure. SAVE
> AMERICA!! Spay or neuter your Republican!!

Exactly.

Police and fire departments now track who the problem addresses
are...it will only increase.

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 11, 9:58 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:51:18 -0500, "Poor Repressed, Deprived,
>

> Victimized Republic-Loons" <youareadumb...@ajksd.com> wrote:
> >When universal gun registration completes,  firefighters
> >will know which houses have firearms in them and will be
> >free to avoid those dangerous places.
>
> ROFLMAO
>
> you really *are* as simple as they say.

ROFLMAO

They do now.

You really ARE as simple as they say...and for a conservative that is
saying a lot.

TMT

[George Plimpton]

It doesn't. Firefighting is inherently dangerous, and some of them
don't return to their families.

[Too_Many_Tools]

Nope...the hoarding of ammo by gun loons is a very good reason to let
a house burn.

Why risk anyone's life when you can let the house burn to the ground,
arrest the gun loon and go home at night to your family safe and
sound?

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

>   He isn't trying to say anything serious.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL..I stir the shit and look who comes to the surface...Pysch Johnny.

Laugh..laugh..laugh..

TMT

[Too_Many_Tools]

Freaking liar.

Why don't we ask your exwife?

TMT

[Jeff M]

What an asshole. Dying isn't in our job description.

[Jeff M]

Virtually every home around here has firearms and ammunition stored
inside. A loaded firearm exposed to enough heat to cook off a chambered
round can be very dangerous, but loose ammo, not so much.

[George Plimpton]

You didn't refute what I said.

> Dying isn't in our job description.

No one said it was. It's a risk of the job, and sometimes the bad event
happens. Firemen willingly go charging into far more dangerous
situations than houses with ammunition, you fucking twat.

"Our" job description? How does a disability-inactivated lawyer work as
a fireman? Cut the shit, jeffy.

[Scout]

"deep" wrote in message news:etmdm81hho7nphsj4...@4ax.com...

1) Heresay evidence
2) I'm not aware that McConnell is the full extent of the Republican
membership
3) I'm not aware that McConnell has been appointed spokesperson for the
Republican Party.
4) I'm not aware that McConnell can unilaterally set Party policy.

Poor Dudu,still has absolutely no idea of what reasonable evidence is much
less how to recognize it.

[Scout]

"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:kk6ngg$4sb$1...@dont-email.me...

Hell, a small propane torch bottle, or even cans of hair spray pose a
greater risk.

[Scout]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:-cudnZnWsNymZfvM...@earthlink.com...

>
> Wayne wrote:
>>
>> Simple answer proven repeatedly by testing.
>> Ammunition is very low risk when:
>> 1. Burned
>> 2. Dropped for heights
>> 3. Crushed
>> 4. etc.
>>
>> Typically one round activated outside of a gun barrel has little
>> possibility
>> of causing damage.
>> A few other rounds nearby may be activated, but there is no chain
>> reaction.
>>
>> I have often received boxes of loose rounds shipped by UPS to my home,
>> and
>> not handled with kid gloves in transit or in delivery.
>>
>> It's irrelevant, and firefighters know it.
>> Reactionary officials however, seldom operate with facts.
>
>
> When they have identified the homes of all the mentally ill, they
> will know which homes to let burn.

So liberals will see their homes burn to the ground?

Interesting.

[Jeff M]

On 4/11/2013 4:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 2:11 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 4/11/2013 4:07 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> On 4/11/2013 2:02 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>> On Apr 11, 9:08 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/10/2013 8:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives
>>>>>
>>>>> It's their job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Firefighters will respond to fires at anyone's house.
>>>>
>>>> Going home at night to their families trumps "its their job".
>>>
>>> It doesn't. Firefighting is inherently dangerous, and some of them
>>> don't return to their families.
>>
>> What an asshole.
>
> You didn't refute what I said.

Your idiotic grunt of a post required no refutation. It's obviously
just more callous contempt for the lives of others from a lying
hypocrite who just got done telling us how compassionate he is.
Basically, like so many of your posts, it was just self-refuting nonsense.

>> Dying isn't in our job description.
>
> No one said it was. It's a risk of the job, and sometimes the bad event
> happens. Firemen willingly go charging into far more dangerous
> situations than houses with ammunition, you fucking twat.
>
> "Our" job description? How does a disability-inactivated lawyer work as
> a fireman? Cut the shit, jeffy.

Hehe. I'm posting from my station right now. I am, indeed, a
professional firefighter and paramedic, among other things. Moreover, I
have decades of service credit and already qualify for full retirement,
but I'm still having way too much fun to retire. Not everybody is as
miserable, angry and pathetic as you are, Pimple.

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[George Plimpton]

On 4/11/2013 3:09 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 4:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 4/11/2013 2:11 PM, Jeff M wrote:
>>> On 4/11/2013 4:07 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 4/11/2013 2:02 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 11, 9:08 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/10/2013 8:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's their job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firefighters will respond to fires at anyone's house.
>>>>>
>>>>> Going home at night to their families trumps "its their job".
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't. Firefighting is inherently dangerous, and some of them
>>>> don't return to their families.
>>>
>>> What an asshole.
>>
>> You didn't refute what I said.
>
> Your idiotic grunt of a post required no refutation.

I stated a fact. You seem to be distressed by the fact, so you called
me an asshole. You're the asshole.

>>> Dying isn't in our job description.
>>
>> No one said it was. It's a risk of the job, and sometimes the bad event
>> happens. Firemen willingly go charging into far more dangerous
>> situations than houses with ammunition, you fucking twat.
>>
>> "Our" job description? How does a disability-inactivated lawyer work as
>> a fireman? Cut the shit, jeffy.
>
> Hehe. I'm posting from my station right now. I am, indeed, a
> professional firefighter and paramedic, among other things. Moreover, I
> have decades of service credit and already qualify for full retirement,
> but I'm still having way too much fun to retire. Not everybody is as
> miserable, angry and pathetic as you are, Pimple.

Describe your "disability" that caused your law license to be placed on
inactive status. I'm pretty sure it's some kind of ethical
"disability", much as a felon has a gun "disability." It's not a
physical disability; it's using "disability" in another sense.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:50:25 -0600, deep wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 07:57:20 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
><klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:43:23 -0600, deep wrote:
>>
>>>It's the Republicans that have openly vowed to block everything Obama
>>>and the Democrats want to do.
>>
>>cite
>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/10/1118614/-Biden-Mitch-McConnell-vowed-no-cooperation-with-the-Obama-administration-from-the-get-go

That doesn't support your lie. I added it this morning since I knew
you couldn't.



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[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Joe "shotgun" Biden as the source?

Too funny.

[John Q. Public]

On 4/11/2013 12:36 AM, Jeff M wrote:

> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>> families at night.
>>
>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>

> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
> inadequate equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on.
> it is not guns, per se.
>

Irresponsible hyperbole. Social welfare obsession has bankrupted
the nation. Every dollar spent by government contributes to inflation
and creates dependency.

>
>> Gunman holding firefighters killed; 4 hostages OK
>> By JOHNNY CLARK and PHILLIP LUCAS | Associated Press
>>

>> SUWANEE, Ga. (AP) � An armed man who was having financial problems

[jon_banquer]

On Apr 11, 7:28 pm, "John Q. Public" <J...@flashmail.com> wrote:

> Irresponsible hyperbole.  Social welfare obsession has bankrupted
> the nation.  Every dollar spent by government contributes to inflation
> and creates dependency.

The is absolutely no chance that the "one way" free trade agreements
we keep signing and that Ross Perot warned us about have bankrupted
American is there? How about the wars we keep starting? It's got to be
the social welfare that's really killing us. Thanks for the
enlightenment. You related to Pimple by any chance?

[Jeff M]

On 4/11/2013 9:28 PM, John Q. Public wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 12:36 AM, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>
>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>>> families at night.
>>>
>>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>>
>> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
>> inadequate equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on.
>> it is not guns, per se.
>>
> Irresponsible hyperbole. Social welfare obsession has bankrupted
> the nation. Every dollar spent by government contributes to inflation
> and creates dependency.

Irresponsible ignorance. Saving lives and property is not "social
welfare," nor have the nation's fire services "bankrupted the nation."
Indeed, better fire protection saves consumers, business and even the
government some money, in the form of reduced insurance premiums. Also,
your premise is false, in that the nation has not been bankrupted.
Moreover, in a poor economy, both consumers and businesses tend to
reduce their spending, and this only accelerates a declining economy.
Government spending cuts add to that basic problem.

Only the government has the ability to spend in sufficient quantity to
effectively stimulate the economy in such times, and we need more, not
less, government spending now. Demands for austerity are like poison
for a down economy, even if government spending is increasing the
deficit. Theoretically, that debt should then be paid down during the
good times, but that requires far more discipline than our leaders possess.

Poverty, economic decline and unemployment create dependency, not
government spending. In fact, it has been proven that government
spending on "social welfare" has higher velocity and a larger multiplier
effect than tax cuts, corporate welfare, and all other types of
government spending, so this is the fastest, most productive and most
efficient way to use government spending to stimulate the economy. As
for this claimed inflationary effect, where is it? The current rate of
inflation is only 2%, nearly an historic low.

>>> Gunman holding firefighters killed; 4 hostages OK
>>> By JOHNNY CLARK and PHILLIP LUCAS | Associated Press
>>>

>>> SUWANEE, Ga. (AP) — An armed man who was having financial problems

[George Plimpton]

On 4/11/2013 7:28 PM, John Q. Public wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 12:36 AM, Jeff M wrote:
>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>
>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>>> families at night.
>>>
>>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>>
>> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
>> inadequate equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on.
>> it is not guns, per se.
>>
>
> Irresponsible hyperbole. Social welfare obsession has bankrupted
> the nation. Every dollar spent by government contributes to inflation
> and creates dependency.

What is bankrupting the nation is out of control spending on redistribution.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/11/2013 7:58 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 9:28 PM, John Q. Public wrote:
>> On 4/11/2013 12:36 AM, Jeff M wrote:
>>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>>>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>>>> families at night.
>>>>
>>>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>>>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>>>
>>> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
>>> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,
>>> inadequate equipment, fewer training hours, reduced salaries, and so on.
>>> it is not guns, per se.
>>>
>> Irresponsible hyperbole. Social welfare obsession has bankrupted
>> the nation. Every dollar spent by government contributes to inflation
>> and creates dependency.
>
> Irresponsible ignorance. Saving lives and property is not "social
> welfare,"

Criminally irresponsible misrepresentation. He didn't say that "saving
lives and property" is social welfare.

[George Plimpton]

On 4/10/2013 9:36 PM, Jeff M wrote:
> On 4/10/2013 10:49 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>> families at night.
>>
>> Risk being shot or blown up...and the conservatives don't even
>> appreciate their sacrifices.
>
> By far, the bigger threat to our lives is the demands by regressives for
> repeatedly slashed budgets, reduced manpower, closed stations,

Democrats are trying to cut fire department budgets? Since when?

[Too_Many_Tools]

> round can be very dangerous, but loose ammo, not so much.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree that the normal citizen would have a normal amount of ammo
stored.

In respect to gun loons, we are talking lots more.

Where does anyone think gun loons are storing their hoards of
ammo...well it's in their home.

A definite risk to first responders and the neighborhood at large.

It is only a matter of time before society will address that risk.

TMT

[Jeff M]

Yep. Redistribution of wealth to the one percenters is, indeed, killing us.

[George Plimpton]

You don't know what you're bullshitting about.

[John]

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

They should let the liberal fool's houses burn to the ground.

[Tom Gardner]

Liberals don't have hair spray, they have spray hair. Just as dangerous!

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 12, 9:22 am, John <johnwa...@oldwest.net> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> They should let the liberal fool's houses burn to the ground.

Liberals aren't shooting at firemen or kidnapping them...gun loons
are.

TMT

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"Jeff M" <NoS...@NoThanks.org> wrote in message
news:Nu6dnfupT91oafrM...@giganews.com...

Taxes on the rich are still wayy too low.

The monetary base M2 has more than doubled since 2000 but government
revenue, average earnings and net worth for all but the exceptionally
wealthy has flat-lined over the same period.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/58/MB%2C_M1_and_M2_aggregates_from_1981_to_2012.png

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

In other words, there is plenty of money, it's just not being circulated...

Trickle down economics is a hoax; GOP politicians know it, or probably at
least most of them do....

-their base however, is made up of gullible fools who have no understanding
whatsoever when it comes to macroeconomics.

[PrecisionmachinisT]

"John" <john...@oldwest.net> wrote in message
news:x6udnSyEgq86hfXM...@earthlink.com...

> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> They should let the liberal fool's houses burn to the ground.

That'd leave the fire department without a source of funds....

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Apr 12, 9:22 am, John <johnwa...@oldwest.net> wrote:

> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
> They should let the liberal fool's houses burn to the ground.

But let the gun loons keep shooting and their houses will burn to the
ground..along with those precious ammo caches they love so well.

TMT

[Jeff M]

That is the truth. I'll enjoy the apoplexy of the regressives over it.

[Col. Harland Saunders]

On Apr 10, 11:49 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
> could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
> families at night.
>

I have several buddies who are cops, fire and EMS. Their job is to
save lives.


They don't mind having a "heads up" when they're called to a place.

So far, in my city, Fire and EMS don't wear body armour.

But I live in the 4th largest city in North America, including Mexico
City.

[Col. Harland Saunders]

On Apr 13, 10:04 am, "Col. Harland Saunders" <igorelaria...@ymail.com>
wrote:

And the shithole I live in has a homicide rate of 1.9 per 100,000.

What? You say! How can a city have such a low murder rate and be
the 4th largest (bigger than Chicago)?

It's Toronto.

The murder rate ranks with small, tiny towns in the USA with
populations less than 100,000 people.

Why?

One gun law. Sure! We have illegal firearms from the USA. But we
are a lot cleaner and civilized than any US city on the map. Even
Honolulu.

And we are also one of the most multicultural cities on the planet
earth.

What we really need is more guns like the Americans!

Everybody wants to be an 'merican with a gun!

[Col. Harland Saunders]

On Apr 13, 10:13 am, "Col. Harland Saunders" <igorelaria...@ymail.com>

Ask this American Hillbilly!

He visited Canada and thought that he was amongst his fellow gun
totin' American savages!

He didn't feel safe without his trusty side arm.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/08/08/walt-wawra-gun-letter_n_1756991.html

[Col. Harland Saunders]

On Apr 13, 10:19 am, "Col. Harland Saunders" <igorelaria...@ymail.com>

> http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/08/08/walt-wawra-gun-letter_n_17569...

And since you are not asking. One of my friends on the TPS, the third
largest police force in North America, retired recently. He was my
age. But since 1977, was a beat cop, a vice cop, a Homicide dective
and a member of what was once know as the ETF. Emergency Task
Force. Trained better than a US Marine, more like US special forces,
British SAS or Canada's Joint Task Force 2. If you don't know who
they are, look them up.

They all want a heads up. When a cop visits a domestic issue, it's
good to know if there's a drunken belligerent asshole with a gun
collection behind the door, or not.

The same goes for Emergency Medical Services or Firefighters.

Hey! You realize that getting a background check and succeeding,
will certify you with the government as a possible firearms owner.
Eh? Then again, the group 'anonymos' could hack he NRA or GOA
registry and put you out in public as well!

Just another reason to send money to Wayne LaPierre!

Give him your address!

Shit, and you thought that easy targets were all about bullets and
guns.

Good luck with that!

[Gunner Asch]

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
<TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I remember that election cycle well: "AuH²O in `64"
>
>His own "SigFile" was "In your heart, you know he's right"; which the
>DNC countered with "In your guts, you know he's NUTS!"
>
>And history's proven he _was_ "right" and it was the Democrat Party
>that was "nuts."

And that still holds true today.

Unfortunately.

[jon_banquer]

On Apr 13, 7:48 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:09:47 -0700 (PDT), JohnJohnsn
>

> <TopCop1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I remember that election cycle well:  "AuH²O in `64"
>
> >His own "SigFile" was "In your heart, you know he's right"; which the
> >DNC countered with "In your guts, you know he's NUTS!"
>
> >And history's proven he _was_ "right" and it was the Democrat Party
> >that was "nuts."
>
> And that still holds true today.
>
> Unfortunately.

What holds true today is that Republicans and Democrats both put forth
candidates that don't have the ethics that Barry Goldwater did.

Mark Wieber can't comprehend the problems with too big to fail, too
big to jail.

Mark Wieber can't comprehend the damage done to America by "one way"
free trade agreements that both Republicans and Democrats keep
supporting.

Mark Wieber is a liar and an idiot who wishes to blame liberals for
what is a failing on the part of both Republicans and Democrats.

[Gunner Asch]

48% of Canadians own firearms. Seems your Registry was a fucking
failure..nobody signed up for it.

Which is why they dropped it after spending billions on trying to fix
the kinks in the (Canadian written) software and implimentation.

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

I can see why.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/alberta/Botched+Airdrie+assault+case+sparks+reform+justice+system/8235301/story.html

Gunner

[Winston_Smith]

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 20:49:52 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Why should firefighters risk their lives with gun loons when they
>could just let the houses burn to the ground and go home to their
>families at night.

Bob Newhart visited the idea of private fire companies on one of his
comedy LPs in the late 50s. He doing his usual guy on the telephone
bit negotiating how to pay them while he has less to offer with each
passing minute.

He was much funnier than you.