> >> >> > >"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > >news:ghcor7lgralcbqmvdico3c1qa47bg8pirl@4ax.com...
> >> >> > >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:23:35 -0400, "Scout"
> >> >> > >> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > >>>news:hl6mr7lnfq2c8aq52q8q0sbhl08oaq1263@4ax.com...
> >> >> > >>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT), "Robert Westergrom,1900
> >> >> > >>>> Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> >> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is much less a
> >> >> > >>>>>> > threat
> >> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
> >> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than any imaginary
> >> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
> >> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
> >> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the way you
> >> >> > >>>>>> treated
> >> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like that.
> >> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door down and
> >> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her .380 before I
> >> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
> >> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed off shotgun
> >> >> > >>>> my ass.
> >> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic federal felony to
> >> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
> >> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of these links.
> >> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you like to try
> >> >> > >>>again?
> >> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> >> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal felony to have a
> >> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
> >> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
> >> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can be
> >> >> > easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that his
> >> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that his
> >> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones who have
> >> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
> >> >> > determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
> >> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
> >> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >> >> He really IS that stupid.
> >> >> TMT
> >> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL if
> >> >the class 3 tax has been paid
> >> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
> >> legal one.
> > On Wed, 23 May 2012 19:00:32 -0400, "Scout"
> > <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> >>news:c4sor7hf0608rdubv7ee0akogg50h661s7@4ax.com...
> >>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:20:07 -0400, "Scout"
> >>> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:ghcor7lgralcbqmvdico3c1qa47bg8pirl@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:23:35 -0400, "Scout"
> >>>>> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:hl6mr7lnfq2c8aq52q8q0sbhl08oaq1263@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT), "Robert
> >>>>>>> Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
> >>>>>>> <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is much
> >>>>>>>>> > less a threat
> >>>>>>>>> > than their wife?
> >>>>>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than any
> >>>>>>>>> > imaginary
> >>>>>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
> >>>>>>>>> > TMT
> >>>>>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the way
> >>>>>>>>> you treated
> >>>>>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like that.
> >>>>>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door down
> >>>>>>>>and enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her
> >>>>>>>>.380 before I can get my sawed off shotgun from under the
> >>>>>>>>mattress.
> >>>>>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed off
> >>>>>>> shotgun my ass.
> >>>>>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic federal
> >>>>>>felony to have a sawed off shotgun.
> >>>>>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of these
> >>>>>>links.
> >>>>>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you like to
> >>>>>>try again?
> >>>>> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> >>>>So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal felony to
> >>>>have a
> >>>>sawed off shotgun?
> >>>>Are you really this stupid?
> >>> Have you measured his "sawed off"?
> >>Don't need to.
> >>> Since short shotguns can be
> >>> easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that his
> >>> is legal?
> >>What makes you think his is illegal?
> >>> Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that his
> >>> shotgun is legal?
> >>Don't have to in order to realize your claim that his must
> >>automatically be illegal to be false.
> >>> The only ones I see doing it are the ones who have
> >>> no idea.
> >>Like yourself?
> >>> I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
> >>> determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
> >>Why?
> >>> Don't you or are you really that stupid?
> >>Nope, unless you can show that he owns it illegally then you don't
> >>have a case, because under federal law one can legally own a sawed off
> >>shotgun as long as certain conditions are met.
> > Simple. Only one condition. It can't be less than 18 inches. 1968
> > gun control act set the minimum legal length to be 18 inches.
> Unless you have had the Class III background check, paid the tax stamp
> and ATF is aware of the gun by serial number. What you don't have the
> right to do is to manufacture one.
> Additionally, several guns that would normally be considered to be rifles
> with less than 18 inch barrels get around that by being manufactured as
> handguns in the first place. Examples would be several that imitate the
> sawed off lever action used by Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in Wanted,
> Dead or Alive. An example would be the Mare's Laig in .357Magnum, .44-40
> or .45 Colt. Copies of that gun are manufactured by LSI Puma, JB Custom
> and Rossi that I am aware of.
> --
> Road Kill!! It's what's for dinner.......
> Sleep well, tonight.....
> RD (The Sandman)
Yes, you can manufacture, if you have a Class 2 SOT.
> On May 23, 5:02 pm, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On May 23, 12:13 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On May 21, 1:06 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is much less a
> > > > threat than their wife?
> > > > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than any imaginary
> > > > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
> > > > TMT
> > > LOL...not one conservative has been able to deny that its the
> > > Truth...that their wife is more likely to shoot them than any
> > > imaginary boogyman.
> > > In fact it is suspected that conservatives feel the need for guns
> > > because of the domestic abuse they receive from their wives.
> > > Thinking a gun will prevent your wife from beating you is false
> > > hope....conservative women are known as much for their abusive
> > > behavior as they are for their stupidity...remember they were stupid
> > > enough to marry you.
> > > Laugh..laugh..laugh..
> > > TMT
> > The depth of your stupidity is astounding.- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> LOL...I was thinking the same about you...but as a liberal I was too
> polite to say it.
> As a conservative, I understand that manners were not taught in your
> home.
> Did your daddy live in fear of your mother too?
> TMT
LOL, You pretending to be a well mannered, polite person is pretty
funny.
> > >>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is much
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> > less a
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> > threat
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than any
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> > imaginary
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> way you
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> treated
> > >>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like that.
> > >>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door down
> > >>> >> > >>>>>and
> > >>> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her .380
> > >>> >> > >>>>>before I
> > >>> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
> > >>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed off
> > >>> >> > >>>> shotgun
> > >>> >> > >>>> my ass.
> > >>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic federal
> > >>> >> > >>>felony to
> > >>> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
> > >>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of
> > >>> >> > >>>these links.
> > >>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you like
> > >>> >> > >>>to try
> > >>> >> > >>>again?
> > >>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> > >>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal felony
> > >>> >> > >to have a
> > >>> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
> > >>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
> > >>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can be
> > >>> >> > easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that
> > >>> >> > his
> > >>> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that
> > >>> >> > his
> > >>> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones who
> > >>> >> > have
> > >>> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
> > >>> >> > determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
> > >>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
> > >>> >> > - Show quoted text -
> > >>> >> He really IS that stupid.
> > >>> >> TMT
> > >>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL if
> > >>> >the class 3 tax has been paid
> > >>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
> > >>> legal one.
> >>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> >>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is much
> >>> >> > >>>>>> > less a
> >>> >> > >>>>>> > threat
> >>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
> >>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than any
> >>> >> > >>>>>> > imaginary
> >>> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
> >>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
> >>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the
> >>> >> > >>>>>> way you
> >>> >> > >>>>>> treated
> >>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like that.
> >>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door down
> >>> >> > >>>>>and
> >>> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her .380
> >>> >> > >>>>>before I
> >>> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
> >>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed off
> >>> >> > >>>> shotgun
> >>> >> > >>>> my ass.
> >>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic federal
> >>> >> > >>>felony to
> >>> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
> >>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of
> >>> >> > >>>these links.
> >>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you like
> >>> >> > >>>to try
> >>> >> > >>>again?
> >>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> >>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal felony
> >>> >> > >to have a
> >>> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
> >>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
> >>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can be
> >>> >> > easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that
> >>> >> > his
> >>> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that
> >>> >> > his
> >>> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones who
> >>> >> > have
> >>> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
> >>> >> > determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
> >>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
> >>> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >>> >> He really IS that stupid.
> >>> >> TMT
> >>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL if
> >>> >the class 3 tax has been paid
> >>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
> >>> legal one.
Let the Record show that Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on or
about Thu, 24 May 2012 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) did write, type or
otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
>> As the OP the whole point of this thread was...
>> "A man is much more likely to be attacked by his wife than by a
>> mugger".
>> Which is the Truth.
>> TMT
>For you.
And in general.
I mean, aside from TMT, how spends more time around muggers, than
around their wives?
That's like saying "people who own typewriters or books are more
likely to get paper cuts than those who don't."
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
Let the Record show that Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on or
about Thu, 24 May 2012 16:30:03 -0700 (PDT) did write, type or
otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
>> >>Nope, unless you can show that he owns it illegally then you don't
>> >>have a case, because under federal law one can legally own a sawed off
>> >>shotgun as long as certain conditions are met.
>> > Simple. Only one condition. It can't be less than 18 inches. 1968
>> > gun control act set the minimum legal length to be 18 inches.
>> Unless you have had the Class III background check, paid the tax stamp
>> and ATF is aware of the gun by serial number. What you don't have the
>> right to do is to manufacture one.
>> Additionally, several guns that would normally be considered to be rifles
>> with less than 18 inch barrels get around that by being manufactured as
>> handguns in the first place. Examples would be several that imitate the
>> sawed off lever action used by Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in Wanted,
>> Dead or Alive. An example would be the Mare's Laig in .357Magnum, .44-40
>> or .45 Colt. Copies of that gun are manufactured by LSI Puma, JB Custom
>> and Rossi that I am aware of.
>> --
>> Road Kill!! It's what's for dinner.......
>> Sleep well, tonight.....
>> RD (The Sandman)
>Yes, you can manufacture, if you have a Class 2 SOT.
As my liberal friend once said - What the government don't know,
the government don't know.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
> >>>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net>
> >>>> >> > >>>>>wrote:
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> > much less a threat
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> > any imaginary mugger will....and she will shoot you
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> > with your own gun.
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> the way you treated
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like
> >>>> >> > >>>>>> that.
> >>>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door
> >>>> >> > >>>>>down and enter my home my wife will most likely drop him
> >>>> >> > >>>>>with her .380 before I can get my sawed off shotgun from
> >>>> >> > >>>>>under the mattress.
> >>>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed
> >>>> >> > >>>> off shotgun my ass.
> >>>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic
> >>>> >> > >>>federal felony to have a sawed off shotgun.
> >>>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of
> >>>> >> > >>>these links.
> >>>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you
> >>>> >> > >>>like to try again?
> >>>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> >>>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal
> >>>> >> > >felony to have a sawed off shotgun?
> >>>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
> >>>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can
> >>>> >> > be easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think
> >>>> >> > that his is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him
> >>>> >> > declaring that his shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing
> >>>> >> > it are the ones who have no idea. I think that a visit from
> >>>> >> > the official shotgun length determiner is in order just to be
> >>>> >> > on the safe side.
> >>>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >>>> >> He really IS that stupid.
> >>>> >> TMT
> >>>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL
> >>>> >if the class 3 tax has been paid
> >>>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
> >>>> legal one.
> >> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns than
> >> legally owned ones.
> >Which would have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is legal
> >to own one. That is what this part of the thread started over.
> I said that the sawed off shotgun mentioned by the poster (whom I have
> yet to see clarify the legality of his shotgun) was probably illegal.
> Given the disparity between sawed off shotguns that are owned legally
> and those owned illegally, I think that the odds are in my favor that
> my assumption was right.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is much less a
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> > threat
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than any imaginary
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the way you
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> treated
> >> >> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like that.
> >> >> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door down and
> >> >> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her .380 before I
> >> >> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
> >> >> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed off shotgun
> >> >> >> > >>>> my ass.
> >> >> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic federal felony to
> >> >> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
> >> >> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of these links.
> >> >> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you like to try
> >> >> >> > >>>again?
> >> >> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> >> >> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal felony to have a
> >> >> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
> >> >> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
> >> >> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can be
> >> >> >> > easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that his
> >> >> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that his
> >> >> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones who have
> >> >> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
> >> >> >> > determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
> >> >> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
> >> >> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >> >> >> He really IS that stupid.
> >> >> >> TMT
> >> >> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL if
> >> >> >the class 3 tax has been paid
> >> >> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
> >> >> legal one.
> >> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns than
> >> legally owned ones.
> >I'm sorry, I thought you were suggesting that there are no legal short
> >barreled shotguns. My bad.
> No problem and thanks. I have always known that it is possible to own
> them legally. However, when someone starts spouting off in a
> newsgroup about owning one, I tend to think that the odds are that (in
> that particular case) it is probably not legal for them to have it.
> It's unusual for someone in the ng's to admit to a misunderstanding. I
> thought I was the only one left. I really do appreciate our reaching
> understanding.
I left a different newsgroup because of the inabiltiy of anyone there
to ever admit any type of mistake, or to even be civil. I try civil
first, If all I get in return is asshole, well i can play that too.
> Let the Record show that Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on or
> about Thu, 24 May 2012 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) did write, type or
> otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
> >> As the OP the whole point of this thread was...
> >> "A man is much more likely to be attacked by his wife than by a
> >> mugger".
> >> Which is the Truth.
> >> TMT
> >For you.
> And in general.
> I mean, aside from TMT, how spends more time around muggers, than
> around their wives?
> That's like saying "people who own typewriters or books are more
> likely to get paper cuts than those who don't."
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
LOL...well Iiberals have been known to spend time with wives of
conservatives...while the husbands are away.
Did you know that 40% of children are not their father's offspring and
the father doesn't know it.
That precentage is likely much higher in conservative families.
Where are the husbands....who knows...running around doped up with
their toy guns and playing Watch Captain like Tiggerman.
> Let the Record show that Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on or
> about Thu, 24 May 2012 16:30:03 -0700 (PDT) did write, type or
> otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
> >> >>> Don't you or are you really that stupid?
> >> >>Nope, unless you can show that he owns it illegally then you don't
> >> >>have a case, because under federal law one can legally own a sawed off
> >> >>shotgun as long as certain conditions are met.
> >> > Simple. Only one condition. It can't be less than 18 inches. 1968
> >> > gun control act set the minimum legal length to be 18 inches.
> >> Unless you have had the Class III background check, paid the tax stamp
> >> and ATF is aware of the gun by serial number. What you don't have the
> >> right to do is to manufacture one.
> >> Additionally, several guns that would normally be considered to be rifles
> >> with less than 18 inch barrels get around that by being manufactured as
> >> handguns in the first place. Examples would be several that imitate the
> >> sawed off lever action used by Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in Wanted,
> >> Dead or Alive. An example would be the Mare's Laig in .357Magnum, .44-40
> >> or .45 Colt. Copies of that gun are manufactured by LSI Puma, JB Custom
> >> and Rossi that I am aware of.
> >> --
> >> Road Kill!! It's what's for dinner.......
> >> Sleep well, tonight.....
> >> RD (The Sandman)
> >Yes, you can manufacture, if you have a Class 2 SOT.
> As my liberal friend once said - What the government don't know,
> the government don't know.
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
LOL..And as more than one conservative wife has said - What the
husband don't know, the husband don't know.
> On May 25, 12:03 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Let the Record show that Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on or
> > about Thu, 24 May 2012 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) did write, type or
> > otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
> > >> As the OP the whole point of this thread was...
> > >> "A man is much more likely to be attacked by his wife than by a
> > >> mugger".
> > >> Which is the Truth.
> > >> TMT
> > >For you.
> > And in general.
> > I mean, aside from TMT, how spends more time around muggers, than
> > around their wives?
> > That's like saying "people who own typewriters or books are more
> > likely to get paper cuts than those who don't."
> > --
> > pyotr filipivich
> > Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
> LOL...well Iiberals have been known to spend time with wives of
> conservatives...while the husbands are away.
> Did you know that 40% of children are not their father's offspring and
> the father doesn't know it.
No, and you don't know that either, it's just more bullshit pulled out
of your ass.
>>> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns than
>>> legally owned ones.
>> So you admit there are legally owned ones....so clearly owning one doesn't
>> automatically mean one is in violation of federal law.
>> The whole point of this thread.
> Nope. The whole point that I made was that, when someone starts
> spouting off about pulling the sawed off shotgun and killing an
> intruder, the odds are that the gun is illegally owned. People can
> own all sorts of things if they are willing to get the proper
> licenses/permits and pay the taxes.
Show the basis for those odds. In a recent post, I said that adding the 5 illegal shotguns listed above to the 8 legally sawed off shotguns I know of gives a 62% likelihood in that limited population that the shotgun is legal.
>>>>> >> > >"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> > >news:ghcor7lgralcbqmvdico3c1qa47bg8pirl@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> > >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:23:35 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>> >> > >> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> > >>>news:hl6mr7lnfq2c8aq52q8q0sbhl08oaq1263@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> > >>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT), "Robert >>>>> >> > >>>> Westergrom,1900
>>>>> >> > >>>> Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net>
>>>>> >> > >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > is much less a
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > threat
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than any imaginary
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > gun.
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> the way you
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> treated
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> that.
>>>>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my
>>>>> >> > >>>>>door down and
>>>>> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her
>>>>> >> > >>>>>.380 before I
>>>>> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
>>>>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? >>>>> >> > >>>> Sawed off shotgun
>>>>> >> > >>>> my ass.
>>>>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic
>>>>> >> > >>>federal felony to
>>>>> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
>>>>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some
>>>>> >> > >>>of these links.
>>>>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you
>>>>> >> > >>>like to try
>>>>> >> > >>>again?
>>>>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
>>>>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal
>>>>> >> > >felony to have a
>>>>> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
>>>>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
>>>>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can
>>>>> >> > be easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you
>>>>> >> > think that his
>>>>> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring
>>>>> >> > that his
>>>>> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones
>>>>> >> > who have
>>>>> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun
>>>>> >> > length determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
>>>>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> >> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>> >> He really IS that stupid.
>>>>> >> TMT
>>>>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY
>>>>> >LEGAL if the class 3 tax has been paid
>>>>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
>>>>> legal one.
>>> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns
>>> than legally owned ones.
>>So you admit there are legally owned ones....so clearly owning one
>>doesn't automatically mean one is in violation of federal law.
>>The whole point of this thread.
> Nope. The whole point that I made was that, when someone starts
> spouting off about pulling the sawed off shotgun and killing an
> intruder, the odds are that the gun is illegally owned. People can
> own all sorts of things if they are willing to get the proper
> licenses/permits and pay the taxes.
And I saw nothing in his comment that indicated any different.
>> > On Wed, 23 May 2012 19:00:32 -0400, "Scout"
>> > <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> >>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:c4sor7hf0608rdubv7ee0akogg50h661s7@4ax.com...
>> >>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:20:07 -0400, "Scout"
>> >>> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> >>>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:ghcor7lgralcbqmvdico3c1qa47bg8pirl@4ax.com...
>> >>>>> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:23:35 -0400, "Scout"
>> >>>>> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>news:hl6mr7lnfq2c8aq52q8q0sbhl08oaq1263@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT), "Robert
>> >>>>>>> Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
>> >>>>>>> <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is
>> >>>>>>>>> > much less a threat
>> >>>>>>>>> > than their wife?
>> >>>>>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than any
>> >>>>>>>>> > imaginary
>> >>>>>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
>> >>>>>>>>> > TMT
>> >>>>>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the
>> >>>>>>>>> way you treated
>> >>>>>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like
>> >>>>>>>>> that.
>> >>>>>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door
>> >>>>>>>>down and enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with
>> >>>>>>>>her .380 before I can get my sawed off shotgun from under the
>> >>>>>>>>mattress.
>> >>>>>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed
>> >>>>>>> off shotgun my ass.
>> >>>>>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic federal
>> >>>>>>felony to have a sawed off shotgun.
>> >>>>>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of
>> >>>>>>these links.
>> >>>>>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you like
>> >>>>>>to try again?
>> >>>>> Sure...Randy Weaver.
>> >>>>So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal felony
>> >>>>to have a
>> >>>>sawed off shotgun?
>> >>>>Are you really this stupid?
>> >>> Have you measured his "sawed off"?
>> >>Don't need to.
>> >>> Since short shotguns can be
>> >>> easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that
>> >>> his is legal?
>> >>What makes you think his is illegal?
>> >>> Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that his
>> >>> shotgun is legal?
>> >>Don't have to in order to realize your claim that his must
>> >>automatically be illegal to be false.
>> >>> The only ones I see doing it are the ones who have
>> >>> no idea.
>> >>Like yourself?
>> >>> I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
>> >>> determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
>> >>Why?
>> >>> Don't you or are you really that stupid?
>> >>Nope, unless you can show that he owns it illegally then you don't
>> >>have a case, because under federal law one can legally own a sawed
>> >>off shotgun as long as certain conditions are met.
>> > Simple. Only one condition. It can't be less than 18 inches. 1
> 968
>> > gun control act set the minimum legal length to be 18 inches.
>> Unless you have had the Class III background check, paid the tax
>> stamp and ATF is aware of the gun by serial number. What you don't
>> have the right to do is to manufacture one.
>> Additionally, several guns that would normally be considered to be
>> rifles with less than 18 inch barrels get around that by being
>> manufactured as handguns in the first place. Examples would be
>> several that imitate th > e
>> sawed off lever action used by Josh Randall (Steve McQueen) in
>> Wanted, Dead or Alive. An example would be the Mare's Laig in
>> .357Magnum, .44-40 or .45 Colt. Copies of that gun are manufactured
>> by LSI Puma, JB Custo > m
>> and Rossi that I am aware of.
>> --
>> Road Kill!! It's what's for dinner.......
>> Sleep well, tonight.....
>> RD (The Sandman)
> Yes, you can manufacture, if you have a Class 2 SOT.
Bingo!! And in the case of these aforementioned Mare's Laigs, they are all legal to own without involving F Troop.
>On May 25, 1:41 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On May 25, 12:03 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> > Let the Record show that Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on or
>> > about Thu, 24 May 2012 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) did write, type or
>> > otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
>> > >> As the OP the whole point of this thread was...
>> > >> "A man is much more likely to be attacked by his wife than by a
>> > >> mugger".
>> > >> Which is the Truth.
>> > >> TMT
>> > >For you.
>> > And in general.
>> > I mean, aside from TMT, how spends more time around muggers, than
>> > around their wives?
>> > That's like saying "people who own typewriters or books are more
>> > likely to get paper cuts than those who don't."
>> > --
>> > pyotr filipivich
>> > Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
>> LOL...well Iiberals have been known to spend time with wives of
>> conservatives...while the husbands are away.
>> Did you know that 40% of children are not their father's offspring and
>> the father doesn't know it.
>No, and you don't know that either, it's just more bullshit pulled out
>of your ass.
He's projecting again from his own experience. He's like Rodney
Dangerfield, only in real life. His wife has cut him back to just
twice a week. But he's looking on the bright side - he knows a couple
guys who got cut off completely.
>> That precentage is likely much higher in conservative families.
>> Where are the husbands....who knows...running around doped up with
>> their toy guns and playing Watch Captain like Tiggerman.
Boy, nothing stops TMT from going straight for his sexual fantasy
life. Nothing. Relevancy, reality, any sense of shame or propriety -
nothing gets in his way.
Maybe if he could get over his obsession with sex, and his
possible paternity, he might get more respect.
--
pyotr filipivich
Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody with a little gray hair be an old fart!
>>>>> >> > >"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> > >news:ghcor7lgralcbqmvdico3c1qa47bg8pirl@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> > >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:23:35 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>> >> > >> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> > >>>news:hl6mr7lnfq2c8aq52q8q0sbhl08oaq1263@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> > >>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT), "Robert
>>>>> >> > >>>> Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
>>>>> >> > >>>> <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net>
>>>>> >> > >>>>>wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > much less a threat
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > any imaginary mugger will....and she will shoot you
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > with your own gun.
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> the way you treated
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> that.
>>>>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door
>>>>> >> > >>>>>down and enter my home my wife will most likely drop him
>>>>> >> > >>>>>with her .380 before I can get my sawed off shotgun from
>>>>> >> > >>>>>under the mattress.
>>>>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed
>>>>> >> > >>>> off shotgun my ass.
>>>>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic
>>>>> >> > >>>federal felony to have a sawed off shotgun.
>>>>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of
>>>>> >> > >>>these links.
>>>>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you
>>>>> >> > >>>like to try again?
>>>>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
>>>>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal
>>>>> >> > >felony to have a sawed off shotgun?
>>>>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
>>>>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can
>>>>> >> > be easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think
>>>>> >> > that his is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him
>>>>> >> > declaring that his shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing
>>>>> >> > it are the ones who have no idea. I think that a visit from
>>>>> >> > the official shotgun length determiner is in order just to be
>>>>> >> > on the safe side.
>>>>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> >> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>> >> He really IS that stupid.
>>>>> >> TMT
>>>>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL
>>>>> >if the class 3 tax has been paid
>>>>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
>>>>> legal one.
>>> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns than
>>> legally owned ones.
>>Which would have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is legal
>>to own one. That is what this part of the thread started over.
> I said that the sawed off shotgun mentioned by the poster (whom I have
> yet to see clarify the legality of his shotgun) was probably illegal.
LIAR.
"Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed off shotgun my ass."
> Given the disparity between sawed off shotguns that are owned legally
> and those owned illegally, I think that the odds are in my favor that
> my assumption was right.
You assumed. Your first mistake.
Your second was using your assumption as the basis of claiming he was confessing to a federal felony.
Your third mistake is claiming that group statistics (even assuming your personal observations are relevant) extend to the individual.
Sorry, but you have absolutely no basis for your claim and statistics are meaningless on an individual basis.
You screwed up, got caught, and you're not desperately trying to figure out away to avoid admitting it.
Grow some balls Deuc, and fess up to your screwup like a man.
>>>>> >> > >"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> > >news:ghcor7lgralcbqmvdico3c1qa47bg8pirl@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> > >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:23:35 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>> >> > >> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> > >>>news:hl6mr7lnfq2c8aq52q8q0sbhl08oaq1263@4ax.com...
>>>>> >> > >>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT), "Robert
>>>>> >> > >>>> Westergrom,1900
>>>>> >> > >>>> Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> >>>>> >> > >>>>>wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > much
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > less a
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > threat
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > any
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > imaginary
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> way you
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> treated
>>>>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like >>>>> >> > >>>>>> that.
>>>>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door >>>>> >> > >>>>>down
>>>>> >> > >>>>>and
>>>>> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her >>>>> >> > >>>>>.380
>>>>> >> > >>>>>before I
>>>>> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
>>>>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed >>>>> >> > >>>> off
>>>>> >> > >>>> shotgun
>>>>> >> > >>>> my ass.
>>>>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic federal
>>>>> >> > >>>felony to
>>>>> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
>>>>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of
>>>>> >> > >>>these links.
>>>>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you like
>>>>> >> > >>>to try
>>>>> >> > >>>again?
>>>>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
>>>>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal >>>>> >> > >felony
>>>>> >> > >to have a
>>>>> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
>>>>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
>>>>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can be
>>>>> >> > easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that
>>>>> >> > his
>>>>> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that
>>>>> >> > his
>>>>> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones who
>>>>> >> > have
>>>>> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
>>>>> >> > determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
>>>>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> >> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>> >> He really IS that stupid.
>>>>> >> TMT
>>>>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL if
>>>>> >the class 3 tax has been paid
>>>>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
>>>>> legal one.
>>> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns than
>>> legally owned ones.
>>So you admit there are legally owned ones....so clearly owning one doesn't
>>automatically mean one is in violation of federal law.
>>The whole point of this thread.
> Nope. The whole point that I made was that, when someone starts
> spouting off about pulling the sawed off shotgun and killing an
> intruder, the odds are that the gun is illegally owned.
Based on what specific evidence?
You are aware that statistics do NOT apply to any specific case.
Nor did you say anything about 'odds'.
Further, in my experience when someone says they have a SSB or a machine gun or whatever...it's because they own it legally.
So someone telling me they would use it....doesn't imply illegal ownership but the reverse.
In either case what think the odds are doesn't matter to any specific case. As such your assertion was nonsense and driven not by fact but by your own personal bias.
> People can
> own all sorts of things if they are willing to get the proper
> licenses/permits and pay the taxes.
Exactly...and yet you automatically assumed he was in violation of the law.
That tells me a lot about your character, or lack of...
>>> >> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> >>> >> >> > >>>>>wrote:
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is >>> >> >> > >>>>>> > much less a
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> > threat
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than >>> >> >> > >>>>>> > any imaginary
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own >>> >> >> > >>>>>> > gun.
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the >>> >> >> > >>>>>> way you
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> treated
>>> >> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like >>> >> >> > >>>>>> that.
>>> >> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door >>> >> >> > >>>>>down and
>>> >> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her >>> >> >> > >>>>>.380 before I
>>> >> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
>>> >> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed >>> >> >> > >>>> off shotgun
>>> >> >> > >>>> my ass.
>>> >> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic >>> >> >> > >>>federal felony to
>>> >> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
>>> >> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of >>> >> >> > >>>these links.
>>> >> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you >>> >> >> > >>>like to try
>>> >> >> > >>>again?
>>> >> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
>>> >> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal >>> >> >> > >felony to have a
>>> >> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
>>> >> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
>>> >> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can be
>>> >> >> > easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that >>> >> >> > his
>>> >> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that >>> >> >> > his
>>> >> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones who >>> >> >> > have
>>> >> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
>>> >> >> > determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
>>> >> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
>>> >> >> > - Show quoted text -
>>> >> >> He really IS that stupid.
>>> >> >> TMT
>>> >> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL >>> >> >if
>>> >> >the class 3 tax has been paid
>>> >> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
>>> >> legal one.
>>> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns than
>>> legally owned ones.
>>I'm sorry, I thought you were suggesting that there are no legal short
>>barreled shotguns. My bad.
> No problem and thanks. I have always known that it is possible to own
> them legally. However, when someone starts spouting off in a
> newsgroup about owning one, I tend to think that the odds are that (in
> that particular case) it is probably not legal for them to have it.
Looks like then any problem is your own assumptions.
so why did you assume his was illegal?
Was it facts.....or you just jumping to conclusions based on your personal bias?
>>>>> > >"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> > >news:ghcor7lgralcbqmvdico3c1qa47bg8pirl@4ax.com...
>>>>> > >> On Tue, 22 May 2012 17:23:35 -0400, "Scout"
>>>>> > >> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>"Deucalion" <some...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>>>>> > >>>news:hl6mr7lnfq2c8aq52q8q0sbhl08oaq1263@4ax.com...
>>>>> > >>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT), "Robert >>>>> > >>>> Westergrom,1900
>>>>> > >>>> Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is much
>>>>> > >>>>>> > less a
>>>>> > >>>>>> > threat
>>>>> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
>>>>> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than any
>>>>> > >>>>>> > imaginary
>>>>> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own gun.
>>>>> > >>>>>> > TMT
>>>>> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of the way
>>>>> > >>>>>> you
>>>>> > >>>>>> treated
>>>>> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like that.
>>>>> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door down
>>>>> > >>>>>and
>>>>> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her .380
>>>>> > >>>>>before I
>>>>> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
>>>>> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed off
>>>>> > >>>> shotgun
>>>>> > >>>> my ass.
>>>>> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic federal
>>>>> > >>>felony to
>>>>> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
>>>>> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of these
>>>>> > >>>links.
>>>>> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you like to
>>>>> > >>>try
>>>>> > >>>again?
>>>>> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
>>>>> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal felony >>>>> > >to
>>>>> > >have a
>>>>> > >sawed off shotgun?
>>>>> > >Are you really this stupid?
>>>>> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can be
>>>>> > easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think that his
>>>>> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring that his
>>>>> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones who >>>>> > have
>>>>> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun length
>>>>> > determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
>>>>> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>> He really IS that stupid.
>>>>> TMT
>>>>Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL if
>>>>the class 3 tax has been paid
>>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
>>> legal one.
>>Sounds like a personal problem to me.
> Back when I was seeing them, it would have indeed been a personal
> problem for you.
Odd, I don't recall it being a personal problem for me back when you were seeing them. So why are you claiming now that it would be?
Your logic is flawed.
> However, I don't do that anymore, so I could
> personally care less whether you own one or not and whether it's owned
> legally or not.
> On May 25, 1:41 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On May 25, 12:03 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > > Let the Record show that Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on or
> > > about Thu, 24 May 2012 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) did write, type or
> > > otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
> > > >> As the OP the whole point of this thread was...
> > > >> "A man is much more likely to be attacked by his wife than by a
> > > >> mugger".
> > > >> Which is the Truth.
> > > >> TMT
> > > >For you.
> > > And in general.
> > > I mean, aside from TMT, how spends more time around muggers, than
> > > around their wives?
> > > That's like saying "people who own typewriters or books are more
> > > likely to get paper cuts than those who don't."
> > > --
> > > pyotr filipivich
> > > Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
> > LOL...well Iiberals have been known to spend time with wives of
> > conservatives...while the husbands are away.
> > Did you know that 40% of children are not their father's offspring and
> > the father doesn't know it.
> No, and you don't know that either, it's just more bullshit pulled out
> of your ass.
> > That precentage is likely much higher in conservative families.
> > Where are the husbands....who knows...running around doped up with
> > their toy guns and playing Watch Captain like Tiggerman.
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Seriously...a few years ago scientists doing genetics research
stumbled across that nasty little fact...that 40% of the offspring in
American families were not the father's offspring...and the father/
husband did not know it.
Look it up on Google...its out there.
Likely higher in conservative "family values" families.
Ever wonder why your kids look like the liberal down the street...now
you know.
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net>
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > is much less a
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > threat
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than any imaginary
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > gun.
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> the way you
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> treated
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> that.
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>door down and
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>.380 before I
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
> >>>>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony?
> >>>>> >> > >>>> Sawed off shotgun
> >>>>> >> > >>>> my ass.
> >>>>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic
> >>>>> >> > >>>federal felony to
> >>>>> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
> >>>>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some
> >>>>> >> > >>>of these links.
> >>>>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you
> >>>>> >> > >>>like to try
> >>>>> >> > >>>again?
> >>>>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> >>>>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal
> >>>>> >> > >felony to have a
> >>>>> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
> >>>>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
> >>>>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can
> >>>>> >> > be easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you
> >>>>> >> > think that his
> >>>>> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring
> >>>>> >> > that his
> >>>>> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones
> >>>>> >> > who have
> >>>>> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun
> >>>>> >> > length determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
> >>>>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>> >> He really IS that stupid.
> >>>>> >> TMT
> >>>>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY
> >>>>> >LEGAL if the class 3 tax has been paid
> >>>>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
> >>>>> legal one.
> >>> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns
> >>> than legally owned ones.
> >>So you admit there are legally owned ones....so clearly owning one
> >>doesn't automatically mean one is in violation of federal law.
> >>The whole point of this thread.
> > Nope. The whole point that I made was that, when someone starts
> > spouting off about pulling the sawed off shotgun and killing an
> > intruder, the odds are that the gun is illegally owned. People can
> > own all sorts of things if they are willing to get the proper
> > licenses/permits and pay the taxes.
> And I saw nothing in his comment that indicated any different.
> Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on Fri, 25 May 2012 01:42:41 -0700
> (PDT) typed in misc.survivalism the following:
> >On May 25, 1:41 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On May 25, 12:03 am, pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> > Let the Record show that Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> on or
> >> > about Thu, 24 May 2012 16:31:28 -0700 (PDT) did write, type or
> >> > otherwise cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
> >> > >> As the OP the whole point of this thread was...
> >> > >> "A man is much more likely to be attacked by his wife than by a
> >> > >> mugger".
> >> > >> Which is the Truth.
> >> > >> TMT
> >> > >For you.
> >> > And in general.
> >> > I mean, aside from TMT, how spends more time around muggers, than
> >> > around their wives?
> >> > That's like saying "people who own typewriters or books are more
> >> > likely to get paper cuts than those who don't."
> >> > --
> >> > pyotr filipivich
> >> > Next Month's Panel: Suicide - getting it right the first time.
> >> LOL...well Iiberals have been known to spend time with wives of
> >> conservatives...while the husbands are away.
> >> Did you know that 40% of children are not their father's offspring and
> >> the father doesn't know it.
> >No, and you don't know that either, it's just more bullshit pulled out
> >of your ass.
> He's projecting again from his own experience. He's like Rodney
> Dangerfield, only in real life. His wife has cut him back to just
> twice a week. But he's looking on the bright side - he knows a couple
> guys who got cut off completely.
> >> That precentage is likely much higher in conservative families.
> >> Where are the husbands....who knows...running around doped up with
> >> their toy guns and playing Watch Captain like Tiggerman.
> Boy, nothing stops TMT from going straight for his sexual fantasy
> life. Nothing. Relevancy, reality, any sense of shame or propriety -
> nothing gets in his way.
> Maybe if he could get over his obsession with sex, and his
> possible paternity, he might get more respect.
> --
> pyotr filipivich
> Old farts these days - not like when I was a boy! We used to
> have us Real Geezers in those days! Now, they'll let anybody
> with a little gray hair be an old fart!- Hide quoted text -
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LOL...go Google and you will find the study.
Meanwhile now you know why your kids look like the liberal neighbor
next door.
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net>
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > is much less a
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > threat
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than any imaginary
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > mugger will....and she will shoot you with your own
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > gun.
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> the way you
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> treated
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> that.
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>door down and
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>enter my home my wife will most likely drop him with her
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>.380 before I
> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>can get my sawed off shotgun from under the mattress.
> > >>>>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony?
> > >>>>> >> > >>>> Sawed off shotgun
> > >>>>> >> > >>>> my ass.
> > >>>>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic
> > >>>>> >> > >>>federal felony to
> > >>>>> >> > >>>have a sawed off shotgun.
> > >>>>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some
> > >>>>> >> > >>>of these links.
> > >>>>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you
> > >>>>> >> > >>>like to try
> > >>>>> >> > >>>again?
> > >>>>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> > >>>>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal
> > >>>>> >> > >felony to have a
> > >>>>> >> > >sawed off shotgun?
> > >>>>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
> > >>>>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns ca
> n
> > >>>>> >> > be easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you
> > >>>>> >> > think that his
> > >>>>> >> > is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him declaring
> > >>>>> >> > that his
> > >>>>> >> > shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing it are the ones
> > >>>>> >> > who have
> > >>>>> >> > no idea. I think that a visit from the official shotgun
> > >>>>> >> > length determiner is in order just to be on the safe side.
> > >>>>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>> >> > - Show quoted text -
> > >>>>> >> He really IS that stupid.
> > >>>>> >> TMT
> > >>>>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY
> > >>>>> >LEGAL if the class 3 tax has been paid
> > >>>>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
> > >>>>> legal one.
> > >>> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns
> > >>> than legally owned ones.
> > >>So you admit there are legally owned ones....so clearly owning one
> > >>doesn't automatically mean one is in violation of federal law.
> > >>The whole point of this thread.
> > > Nope. The whole point that I made was that, when someone starts
> > > spouting off about pulling the sawed off shotgun and killing an
> > > intruder, the odds are that the gun is illegally owned. People can
> > > own all sorts of things if they are willing to get the proper
> > > licenses/permits and pay the taxes.
> > And I saw nothing in his comment that indicated any different.
> > --
> > Road Kill!! It's what's for dinner.......
> > Sleep well, tonight.....
> > RD (The Sandman)- Hide quoted text -
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> The gun is illegal.
You won't care if it blows a hole the size of a basketball through a drugged up black ape trying to break in your home at 3 AM.
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>On May 21, 1:49 pm, Ken Marino <kpha...@earthlink.net>
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> On Mon, 21 May 2012 11:06:50 -0700, Too_Many_Tools
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > So why then do gun nuts worry about the mugger who is
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > much less a threat
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > than their wife?
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > Considering that she is more likely to shoot you than
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > any imaginary mugger will....and she will shoot you
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > with your own gun.
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> > TMT
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> Chances are you might be shot by your wife because of
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> the way you treated
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> her. The criminals don't care about little things like
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>> that.
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>I can promise Too_Many_Stools if he tries to kick my door
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>down and enter my home my wife will most likely drop him
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>with her .380 before I can get my sawed off shotgun from
> >>>>> >> > >>>>>under the mattress.
> >>>>> >> > >>>> Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed
> >>>>> >> > >>>> off shotgun my ass.
> >>>>> >> > >>>Excuse me? Please cite the law were it is an automatic
> >>>>> >> > >>>federal felony to have a sawed off shotgun.
> >>>>> >> > >>>While you thinking about it, you might want to view some of
> >>>>> >> > >>>these links.
> >>>>> >> > >>>Now that you've have a chance to think it over, would you
> >>>>> >> > >>>like to try again?
> >>>>> >> > >> Sure...Randy Weaver.
> >>>>> >> > >So you think Randy Weaver automatically makes it a federal
> >>>>> >> > >felony to have a sawed off shotgun?
> >>>>> >> > >Are you really this stupid?
> >>>>> >> > Have you measured his "sawed off"? Since short shotguns can
> >>>>> >> > be easily purchased with sawing them off, what makes you think
> >>>>> >> > that his is legal? Have you seen all those posts from him
> >>>>> >> > declaring that his shotgun is legal? The only ones I see doing
> >>>>> >> > it are the ones who have no idea. I think that a visit from
> >>>>> >> > the official shotgun length determiner is in order just to be
> >>>>> >> > on the safe side.
> >>>>> >> > Don't you or are you really that stupid?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>> >> > - Show quoted text -
> >>>>> >> He really IS that stupid.
> >>>>> >> TMT
> >>>>> >Nope, both of you refuse to acknowledge that it is PERFECTLY LEGAL
> >>>>> >if the class 3 tax has been paid
> >>>>> I've seen quite a few sawed off shotguns, but I have never seen a
> >>>>> legal one.
> >>> Need I go on? There are more illegally owned sawed off shotguns than
> >>> legally owned ones.
> >>Which would have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not it is legal
> >>to own one. That is what this part of the thread started over.
> > I said that the sawed off shotgun mentioned by the poster (whom I have
> > yet to see clarify the legality of his shotgun) was probably illegal.
> LIAR.
> "Did I just hear an idiot admit to a federal felony? Sawed off shotgun my
> ass."
> > Given the disparity between sawed off shotguns that are owned legally
> > and those owned illegally, I think that the odds are in my favor that
> > my assumption was right.
> You assumed. Your first mistake.
> Your second was using your assumption as the basis of claiming he was
> confessing to a federal felony.
> Your third mistake is claiming that group statistics (even assuming your
> personal observations are relevant) extend to the individual.
> Sorry, but you have absolutely no basis for your claim and statistics are
> meaningless on an individual basis.
> You screwed up, got caught, and you're not desperately trying to figure out
> away to avoid admitting it.
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