Thankful for
Stormin Mormon
I'm thankful for the indoor plumbing. Which brings me
relatively clean water, and the fluoride I really didn't
much want. And carries away the dirty water from my bathtub,
clothes washer, and toilet.
The piped in natural gas. That cooks my food, heats my
trailer, and heats my cold water to make hot water.
The easily available food, fuel, and supplies that I need
for life and for work.
I'm thankful that I can go to the store and buy a turkey,
instead of having to go sit in the cold, wet woods and shoot
one.
I'm thankful that in some parts of the nation, it's still
legal to purchase a turkey shooting gun after a background
check, finger prints, form filled out in triplicate, waiting
period, NICS check, documented legitimate sporting purpose,
and permission granted from the government.
I'm thankful that I can buy FDA approved OTC medication
which has been tested, and found safe, for my allergies. At
least for now. Until they pass the 2,000 page mostrocity
which no one has read from end to end except a few right
wing conservatives.
I'm thankful that I can go visit Grandma's house in my
government approved vehicle. Now that I've paid the
registration, had the safety and emissions test performed at
an approved location. Paid for the required insurance, and
taken and passed the testing required for my drivers
license. As long as I'm not operating in violation of the
numerous and varied vehicle and traffic regulations
including driving while intoxicated, or under the influence
of medication. And, as long as my drivers license isn't
suspended or revoked.
I'm thankful for freedom of speech, which allows me to post
on the internet or through email. I can write government
approved language which isn't hateful or offensive to
anyone. Thinking, constantly, as I'm writing, so that I
don't offend any honkies, crackers, slant bastards, gooks,
micks, wops, dagos, sand niggers, coloreds, dinges,
spicoricans, gringos, limeys, frogs, krauts, russkies, mafia
dons, Jewish American Princesses, niggers, white breads,
chesters, tree jumpers, tea baggers, wiggers, wetbacks,
chinooks, cripples, scooter blobs, congresscritters, moose
limbs, white trash, or other protected classes.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Harold and Susan Vordos
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hem1ht$ve1$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
snip----
as I'm writing, so that I
> don't offend any honkies, crackers, slant bastards, gooks,
> micks, wops, dagos, sand niggers, coloreds, dinges,
> spicoricans, gringos, limeys, frogs, krauts, russkies, mafia
> dons, Jewish American Princesses, niggers, white breads,
> chesters, tree jumpers, tea baggers, wiggers, wetbacks,
> chinooks, cripples, scooter blobs, congresscritters, moose
> limbs, white trash, or other protected classes.
>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
> www.lds.org
> .
Indeed!
You, sir, are a perfect example of why I was overjoyed to *leave* Utah.
Your cult of choice has created monsters that don't deserve to live.
By the way, you forgot to take a shot at the Greeks. May have saved you from
me coming over there and busting your bigoted ass in tiny pieces.
Learn more about Jesus? From someone that is a perfect example of what
Jesus wasn't?
Harold
Larry Jaques
Vordos" <vor...@tds.net> scrawled the following:
'Arry, 'Arry, 'Arry. I'm surprised that you hadn't plonked that idiot
_years_ ago. Do it now and sleep better at night.
--
Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.
Harold and Susan Vordos
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:emm2h5dfhf094neqk...@4ax.com...
assholes in the world, or humor them? Isn't that the same as endorsing
their actions?
I was born and raised in the midst of people like him. They deem themselves
the only worthy people, and have no problem with denigrating any and all
that don't believe as they do. I have no intentions of allowing this
jackass to speak to the masses as if they have no value. When good people
fail to respond to pricks like this, all they do is gain momentum. What he
needs is someone's fist buried deep in his damned face.
Harold.
Gunner Asch
<vor...@tds.net> wrote:
> When good people
>fail to respond to pricks like this, all they do is gain momentum. What he
>needs is someone's fist buried deep in his damned face.
>
>Harold.
Are you talking about Leftwingers? They sure fit that bill!
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton
Ed Huntress
"Harold and Susan Vordos" <vor...@tds.net> wrote in message
news:k54Rm.3613$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
Hear, hear.
--
Ed Huntress
Steve B
"Harold and Susan Vordos" <vor...@tds.net> wrote
> Wasn't that the attitude of the followers of Hitler? Pretend there aren't
> assholes in the world, or humor them? Isn't that the same as endorsing
> their actions?
>
> I was born and raised in the midst of people like him. They deem
> themselves the only worthy people, and have no problem with denigrating
> any and all that don't believe as they do. I have no intentions of
> allowing this jackass to speak to the masses as if they have no value.
> When good people fail to respond to pricks like this, all they do is gain
> momentum. What he needs is someone's fist buried deep in his damned face.
>
> Harold.
I have been recently taking Mr. Young to task regarding Mormonism in another
newsgroup. Particularly about all the recent DNA studies by top
geneticists, lintuists, and archaeologists in the world saying there was no
ancient civilization of Mormons that populated the New World as the Book of
Mormon states. Some of us won't let him slide. And I live in Utah. I am
not Mormon.
Steve
wmbjk...@citlink.net
Hilarious. Stormin Moron is being criticized for being a racist. Your
judgment of him is about the same as Limbaugh judging Beck.
Wayne
DoN. Nichols
>
> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
> news:emm2h5dfhf094neqk...@4ax.com...
[ ... ]
>> 'Arry, 'Arry, 'Arry. I'm surprised that you hadn't plonked that idiot
>> _years_ ago. Do it now and sleep better at night.
>>
> Wasn't that the attitude of the followers of Hitler? Pretend there aren't
> assholes in the world, or humor them? Isn't that the same as endorsing
> their actions?
>
> I was born and raised in the midst of people like him. They deem themselves
> the only worthy people, and have no problem with denigrating any and all
> that don't believe as they do. I have no intentions of allowing this
> jackass to speak to the masses as if they have no value. When good people
> fail to respond to pricks like this, all they do is gain momentum.
I failed to respond for two reasons:
1) He has been plonked for some while now, so I did not see the
original article.
2) I don't discuss politics on this newsgroup, and don't believe in
encouraging others to do so.
> What he
> needs is someone's fist buried deep in his damned face.
He'll probably get it -- if he makes the mistake of saying
things like that in person instead of to people out of reach.
Enjoy,
DoN.
--
Email: <dnic...@d-and-d.com> | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---
Harold and Susan Vordos
"DoN. Nichols" <dnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhhbkj2....@Katana.d-and-d.com...
> On 2009-12-01, Harold and Susan Vordos <vor...@tds.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>> news:emm2h5dfhf094neqk...@4ax.com...
>
> [ ... ]
>
>>> 'Arry, 'Arry, 'Arry. I'm surprised that you hadn't plonked that idiot
>>> _years_ ago. Do it now and sleep better at night.
>>>
>> Wasn't that the attitude of the followers of Hitler? Pretend there
>> aren't
>> assholes in the world, or humor them? Isn't that the same as endorsing
>> their actions?
>>
>> I was born and raised in the midst of people like him. They deem
>> themselves
>> the only worthy people, and have no problem with denigrating any and all
>> that don't believe as they do. I have no intentions of allowing this
>> jackass to speak to the masses as if they have no value. When good
>> people
>> fail to respond to pricks like this, all they do is gain momentum.
>
> I failed to respond for two reasons:
>
> 1) He has been plonked for some while now, so I did not see the
> original article.
Wise choice, DoN. Maybe I should have done so myself, but I tend to
overlook most of these bigoted nuts.
>
> 2) I don't discuss politics on this newsgroup, and don't believe in
> encouraging others to do so.
Yeah, boy! The way the group has gone the last while, I rarely drop by.
I'm sick to death of morons chopping the hell out of Gunner, and just as
sick of the "patriots" that find fault with anything to do with the opposing
party, no matter how good it may be. I wish to hell these guys would get
a life and start talking about shop related subjects.
Having vented my feelings, I have moderated the Chaski board for years. We
have a strict policy of no religion, no politics, and no profanity. Any of
them are cause for banishment. It has taken a long time, but we now have
a readership that has respect for others, rarely anyone posting flaming
comments. It has proven to be a great decision in having accomplished
one thing that was badly needed---getting rid of morons that have no respect
for others.
On that note, you'd be a nice addition to the Chaski board should you ever
desire to check in, DoN. People with skills, knowledge and decorum are
always welcome.
Best regards,
Harold
Martin H. Eastburn
Martin
DoN. Nichols
>
> "DoN. Nichols" <dnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnhhbkj2....@Katana.d-and-d.com...
[ ... ]
>> I failed to respond for two reasons:
[ ... ]
>> 2) I don't discuss politics on this newsgroup, and don't believe in
>> encouraging others to do so.
>
> Yeah, boy! The way the group has gone the last while, I rarely drop by.
> I'm sick to death of morons chopping the hell out of Gunner, and just as
> sick of the "patriots" that find fault with anything to do with the opposing
> party, no matter how good it may be. I wish to hell these guys would get
> a life and start talking about shop related subjects.
I spend a few minutes every day updating my killfile, and it
makes things pretty tolerable. (About 3/4 of the contents go away when
I connect to the newsgroup. :-)
> Having vented my feelings, I have moderated the Chaski board for years. We
> have a strict policy of no religion, no politics, and no profanity. Any of
> them are cause for banishment. It has taken a long time, but we now have
> a readership that has respect for others, rarely anyone posting flaming
> comments. It has proven to be a great decision in having accomplished
> one thing that was badly needed---getting rid of morons that have no respect
> for others.
That sounds like a good thing to do.
> On that note, you'd be a nice addition to the Chaski board should you ever
> desire to check in, DoN. People with skills, knowledge and decorum are
> always welcome.
Thank you.
Is it a mailing list, or a web-based board? I participate in
some mailing lists, but I find web-based boards like trying to post
wearing a strait-jacket, because I don't have the spell checking which
is in my editor (it has been taught most of my common typos and
misspellings) and the ability to format text to try to make some things
clearer.
Oh yes -- I also do wind up involved in computer-related
discussions, which may or may not be banned there. :-)
Thanks,
Harold and Susan Vordos
>
> Is it a mailing list, or a web-based board?
Geeeez, DoN! Must you ask such technical questions of a guy that doesn't
have a clue? :-)
I participate in
> some mailing lists, but I find web-based boards like trying to post
> wearing a strait-jacket, because I don't have the spell checking which
> is in my editor (it has been taught most of my common typos and
> misspellings) and the ability to format text to try to make some things
> clearer.
Well, you go to the board, where there's a directory. Click on the one that
holds your interest, and that brings up another directory showing the posts.
Does that help any? I haven't a clue what it would be considered, I
just use it daily! ;-)
As far as spell checking goes, I touch type, and have my errors up to about
60 per minute. Without spell check I'd be dead in the water, especially
considering I realize, thanks to ongoing typing, that I have a touch of
dyslexia. It's easy for me to type a three letter word in
reverse-------inadvertently, you understand!
What I do is write my comments in Outlook Express, spell check, then cut and
paste. Takes only seconds, and it insures reasonably good spelling. I have
caught spell check in an error before, but it's far more reliable than my
typing. Spelling isn't a real chore, but I'm nowhere near as good as I was
as a student, such as I was.
Anyway, if you're interested, here's a link that will take you to the main
index.
http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/index.php?sid=7f5cb2c36bc07bebc485f65bd330bb35
You can read, but in order to post (or see pictures), you must register,
which is by approval. That should be a piece of cake for you, considering
the guy that does the approving is a name that should be very familiar to
you---Marty Escarcega. He welcomes decent people with open arms, as do I.
I think I speak for Marty when I say that both of us have always held you in
the highest regard, and I feel you'd be a good addition to the board,
considering your broad experience.
>
> Oh yes -- I also do wind up involved in computer-related
> discussions, which may or may not be banned there. :-)
Depends on the nature of the topic. We allow light conversation, but it's
not the place to discuss how one likes, or dislikes, Bill Gates. That is
beyond the scope of the forum. We try to look at ourselves as being there
to help guys with shop related problems. There are several seasoned
machinists on the site, many of whom have extensive CNC knowledge.
On that subject, I purchased a HAAS toolroom CNC Mill a year ago. I hope to
learn how to turn it on eventually. Still plugging away at the house I've
been building for what seems to be all my life. Getting close to the end,
however. No machining until we cross the finish line, however..
Be well, DoN.
Harold
Steve B
"Martin H. Eastburn" <lion...@consolidated.net> wrote in message
news:KsmRm.67376$mn3....@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
I currently have a "faith". I just don't need to spew it here, or use it in
my sig line when I top post three word answers while quoting long thread
texts, as Mr. Young does.
Steve
DoN. Nichols
>
> "DoN. Nichols" <dnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnhhbvf7....@Katana.d-and-d.com...
>> On 2009-12-02, Harold and Susan Vordos <vor...@tds.net> wrote:
> snip---
>>
>> Is it a mailing list, or a web-based board?
>
> Geeeez, DoN! Must you ask such technical questions of a guy that doesn't
> have a clue? :-)
:-)
> I participate in
>> some mailing lists, but I find web-based boards like trying to post
>> wearing a strait-jacket, because I don't have the spell checking which
>> is in my editor (it has been taught most of my common typos and
>> misspellings) and the ability to format text to try to make some things
>> clearer.
>
> Well, you go to the board, where there's a directory. Click on the one that
> holds your interest, and that brings up another directory showing the posts.
> Does that help any? I haven't a clue what it would be considered, I
> just use it daily! ;-)
Yes -- it is a web based board, not a mailing list. With a
mailing list, I would not need to click on anything, as my e-mail client
(program) is not GUI (point and click).
> As far as spell checking goes, I touch type, and have my errors up to about
> 60 per minute. Without spell check I'd be dead in the water, especially
> considering I realize, thanks to ongoing typing, that I have a touch of
> dyslexia. It's easy for me to type a three letter word in
> reverse-------inadvertently, you understand!
Actually -- touch typing can *cause* some transpositions.
Especially for words which have letters alternating between the left and
right hand. Sometimes the dominant hand (right in my case) will be
faster at getting its finger to the key than the left hand, so you wind
up with transposed letters. Not too likely to produce a reversed
three-letter sequence, but who knows? :-)
However, I also find similar appearance letters sometimes
substituting for each other. In particular, 'd', 'p', 'q', and 'b',
which all look the same other than rotated and sometimes flipped.
Usually it is whichever two are just rotations of each other, so I may
type "quiet" as "buiet" or "dog" as "pog". I have no rational
explanation for these -- other than my mind must be deciding that the
rotation (or sometimes flipping) doesn't make a difference to anyone. :-)
Of course -- if I *look* at the line, it leaps out at me as
wrong. But I am often typing so fast (and composing in my head as I
type) that I have to depend on the spelling checker to catch things, and
in particular, my editor is trained with a list of my most common typos
which it just silently corrects as I type. I reach the end of the word
and the letters rearrange themselves. :-) It saves a lot of work
interacting with the spell checker after it is all typed. But it does
sometimes mean that I have to fight to get some things accepted. For
example, if I want to put up the initials of Texas Instruments ("TI"), I
have to fight to keep it from changing it to "It". :-)
> What I do is write my comments in Outlook Express, spell check, then cut and
> paste. Takes only seconds, and it insures reasonably good spelling. I have
> caught spell check in an error before, but it's far more reliable than my
> typing. Spelling isn't a real chore, but I'm nowhere near as good as I was
> as a student, such as I was.
What about when you are trying to format the text like in
tables, or ASCII graphics? Most web-based systems think that they know
what is best, and will totally scramble the images or the formatting. I
sometimes depend on ASCII graphics to convey information without having
to upload a drawing or photograph. (Less work for me. :-)
> Anyway, if you're interested, here's a link that will take you to the main
> index.
>
> http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/index.php?sid=7f5cb2c36bc07bebc485f65bd330bb35
Verified that it is a web-based forum by visiting it -- but the
"http://www.chaski.org/" is enough to do that.
> You can read, but in order to post (or see pictures), you must register,
> which is by approval. That should be a piece of cake for you, considering
> the guy that does the approving is a name that should be very familiar to
> you---Marty Escarcega.
So -- *that* is where he went.
> He welcomes decent people with open arms, as do I.
> I think I speak for Marty when I say that both of us have always held you in
> the highest regard, and I feel you'd be a good addition to the board,
> considering your broad experience.
Except that the frustration that I would feel with the web-based
interface might make me poorer company. :-)
>> Oh yes -- I also do wind up involved in computer-related
>> discussions, which may or may not be banned there. :-)
>
> Depends on the nature of the topic. We allow light conversation, but it's
> not the place to discuss how one likes, or dislikes, Bill Gates. That is
> beyond the scope of the forum. We try to look at ourselves as being there
> to help guys with shop related problems. There are several seasoned
> machinists on the site, many of whom have extensive CNC knowledge.
O.K. That sounds reasonable.
> On that subject, I purchased a HAAS toolroom CNC Mill a year ago. I hope to
> learn how to turn it on eventually. Still plugging away at the house I've
> been building for what seems to be all my life. Getting close to the end,
> however. No machining until we cross the finish line, however..
I thought that I saw your name as the moderator of the CNC group.
So -- you have decided to learn about it. Congratulations!
Enjoy,
Harold and Susan Vordos
"Steve Ackman" <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote in message
news:slrnhhg6pa...@sorceror.wizard.dyndns.org...
> In <oSqRm.3620$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, on Wed, 02 Dec 2009
> 09:57:40 GMT, Harold and Susan Vordos, vor...@tds.net wrote:
>>
>> "DoN. Nichols" <dnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrnhhbvf7....@Katana.d-and-d.com...
>>> On 2009-12-02, Harold and Susan Vordos <vor...@tds.net> wrote:
>> snip---
>>>
>>> Is it a mailing list, or a web-based board?
>>
>> Geeeez, DoN! Must you ask such technical questions of a guy that doesn't
>> have a clue? :-)
>
> forum, and even more technically descriptive, uses the
> ubiquitous phpBB:
>
> phpBB is a high powered, fully scalable, and highly customisable
> open-source bulletin board package. phpBB has a user-friendly interface,
> simple and straightforward administration panel, and helpful FAQ. Based
> on the powerful PHP server language and your choice of MySQL, MS-SQL,
> PostgreSQL or Access/ODBC database servers, phpBB is the ideal free
> community solution for all web sites.
>
> WWW: http://www.phpbb.com/
>
Blink! Blink! :-)
Man, just more information to keep me confused! :-)
I have to agree with your comments on the software. I moderate two boards
that use it, although different versions. Chaski is going to upgrade
immediately, however, which is a great idea. Makes posting pictures a lot
easier, plus they can now be placed within text, even when hosted on the
Chaski site. That hasn't been possible up to now.
I have commented on my lack of computer savvy. it's true, but I have been
able to navigate through the software,. in spite of being a few bricks short
of a load where computers are concerned. Been using it for about seven
years now.
Thanks for the clarification on terminology!
Harold
Larry Jaques
<st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> scrawled the following:
>In <oSqRm.3620$cW....@newsreading01.news.tds.net>, on Wed, 02 Dec 2009
>09:57:40 GMT, Harold and Susan Vordos, vor...@tds.net wrote:
>>
>> "DoN. Nichols" <dnic...@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrnhhbvf7....@Katana.d-and-d.com...
>>> On 2009-12-02, Harold and Susan Vordos <vor...@tds.net> wrote:
>> snip---
>>>
>>> Is it a mailing list, or a web-based board?
>>
>> Geeeez, DoN! Must you ask such technical questions of a guy that doesn't
>> have a clue? :-)
>
> When/if the question comes up again, yes, it's a web
>forum, and even more technically descriptive, uses the
>ubiquitous phpBB:
>
>phpBB is a high powered, fully scalable, and highly customisable
>open-source bulletin board package. phpBB has a user-friendly interface,
>simple and straightforward administration panel, and helpful FAQ. Based
>on the powerful PHP server language and your choice of MySQL, MS-SQL,
>PostgreSQL or Access/ODBC database servers, phpBB is the ideal free
>community solution for all web sites.
...but which, when compared with Usenet (and most any viewer), is an
absolute slowass bitch to work with. 6x the keystrokes, 20-50x the
screen delay times, etc. Someone should work up an exportable version
so we can grab messages from it and access them as quickly as we do
Usenet posts OFFLINE.
--
Follow the path of the unsafe, independent thinker. Expose your ideas
to the dangers of controversy. Speak your mind and fear less the label
of 'crackpot' than the stigma of conformity. And on issues that seem
important to you, stand up and be counted at any cost.
-- Thomas J. Watson
Steve Ackman
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:08:46 -0700, the infamous Steve Ackman
><st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> scrawled the following:
>> When/if the question comes up again, yes, it's a web
>>forum, and even more technically descriptive, uses the
>>ubiquitous phpBB:
>>
>>phpBB is a high powered, fully scalable, and highly customisable
>>open-source bulletin board package. phpBB has a user-friendly interface,
>>simple and straightforward administration panel, and helpful FAQ. Based
>>on the powerful PHP server language and your choice of MySQL, MS-SQL,
>>PostgreSQL or Access/ODBC database servers, phpBB is the ideal free
>>community solution for all web sites.
>
> ...but which, when compared with Usenet (and most any viewer), is an
> absolute slowass bitch to work with. 6x the keystrokes, 20-50x the
> screen delay times, etc.
All true (even if a TINY bit of an exaggeration ;-).
> Someone should work up an exportable version
> so we can grab messages from it and access them as quickly as we do
> Usenet posts OFFLINE.
There was such a sprite a decade ago. I had it
running on Red Hat 5.x over *dialup*. It was called
Hawkeye, and was also php/mysql based. It had a web
interface and an NNTP server along with other features.
You could access/post messages either way.
Matter of fact, my review page is still around here
somewhere... http://wizard.dyndns.org/beta.html
Too bad the developer moved on to other things.
http://hawkeye.net/ has been empty since ~2000.
--
☯☯
Unlimited webspace - Unlimited bandwidth
http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?74713
Larry Jaques
<st...@NIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> scrawled the following:
>In <c5skh5p8dtj2b4d1f...@4ax.com>, on Sat, 05 Dec 2009
>06:44:03 -0800, Larry Jaques, novalidaddress@di wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:08:46 -0700, the infamous Steve Ackman
>><st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> scrawled the following:
>
>>> When/if the question comes up again, yes, it's a web
>>>forum, and even more technically descriptive, uses the
>>>ubiquitous phpBB:
>>>
>>>phpBB is a high powered, fully scalable, and highly customisable
>>>open-source bulletin board package. phpBB has a user-friendly interface,
>>>simple and straightforward administration panel, and helpful FAQ. Based
>>>on the powerful PHP server language and your choice of MySQL, MS-SQL,
>>>PostgreSQL or Access/ODBC database servers, phpBB is the ideal free
>>>community solution for all web sites.
>>
>> ...but which, when compared with Usenet (and most any viewer), is an
>> absolute slowass bitch to work with. 6x the keystrokes, 20-50x the
>> screen delay times, etc.
>
> All true (even if a TINY bit of an exaggeration ;-).
If it's good enough for Algore and the CRU...
>> Someone should work up an exportable version
>> so we can grab messages from it and access them as quickly as we do
>> Usenet posts OFFLINE.
>
> There was such a sprite a decade ago. I had it
>running on Red Hat 5.x over *dialup*. It was called
>Hawkeye, and was also php/mysql based. It had a web
>interface and an NNTP server along with other features.
>You could access/post messages either way.
>
> Matter of fact, my review page is still around here
>somewhere... http://wizard.dyndns.org/beta.html
> Too bad the developer moved on to other things.
>http://hawkeye.net/ has been empty since ~2000.
Cool/Suckage, respectively.