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George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 4:23:49 PM5/7/13
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By Emily Alpert
May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
crimes, two new studies of government data show.
Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
Pew Research Center.
In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
the turn of the millennium.
The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
fears.
May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
crimes, two new studies of government data show.
Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
Pew Research Center.
In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
the turn of the millennium.
The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
fears.
deep
May 7, 2013, 4:40:31 PM5/7/13
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On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
>By Emily Alpert
>
>May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
>Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
>Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>Pew Research Center.
>
>In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>the turn of the millennium.
>
>The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
violence, not lower as you want to think.
thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
wrote:
>By Emily Alpert
>
>May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
>Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
>Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>Pew Research Center.
>
>In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>the turn of the millennium.
>
>The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>
>
>Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>fears.
Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>
>
>Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>fears.
think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
violence, not lower as you want to think.
thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 4:43:55 PM5/7/13
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On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
reduction in gun violence.
You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> By Emily Alpert
>>
>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>
>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>
>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>> Pew Research Center.
>>
>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>> the turn of the millennium.
>>
>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> wrote:
>
>> By Emily Alpert
>>
>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>
>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>
>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>> Pew Research Center.
>>
>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>> the turn of the millennium.
>>
>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>
>>
>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>> fears.
>
> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>
>>
>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>> fears.
>
> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
reduction in gun violence.
You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
deep
May 7, 2013, 4:48:40 PM5/7/13
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On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
understand even the simplest things.
>You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
Cite. Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
they using? I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
additional gun control laws were legislated.
And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
Can't deal with the facts, can you?
wrote:
>On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>
>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>
>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>
>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>
>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>
>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>
>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>
>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>
>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>
>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>
>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>> fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
>The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>reduction in gun violence.
>
It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>> fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
>The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>reduction in gun violence.
>
understand even the simplest things.
>You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
they using? I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
additional gun control laws were legislated.
And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
Can't deal with the facts, can you?
Tom Gardner
May 7, 2013, 4:48:41 PM5/7/13
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George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 4:57:40 PM5/7/13
to
On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>
>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>
>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>
>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>
>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>
>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
That's what he always squeals, too.
> Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
> they using?
The public are saying it.
> I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
> additional gun control laws were legislated.
That doesn't prove or even suggest that additional gun control laws
*caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
being able to show that.
> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
Nothing in the story said that, you liar.
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>
>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>
>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>
>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>
>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>
>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>> fears.
>>>
>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>
>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>> reduction in gun violence.
>>
> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> understand even the simplest things.
>
>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> Cite.
What the fuck do you mean, "cite"? Have you been blowing gummer?
>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>> fears.
>>>
>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>
>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>> reduction in gun violence.
>>
> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> understand even the simplest things.
>
>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> Cite.
That's what he always squeals, too.
> Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
> they using?
> I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
> additional gun control laws were legislated.
*caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
being able to show that.
> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
deep
May 7, 2013, 5:13:44 PM5/7/13
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On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:57:40 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
lies?
>
>> Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
>> they using?
>
>The public are saying it.
>
Prove it, and prove the info is coming from the "left wing media"
>
>> I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
>> additional gun control laws were legislated.
>
>That doesn't prove or even suggest that additional gun control laws
>*caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
>being able to show that.
>
You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>
>> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
>> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>
>Nothing in the story said that, you liar.
I've posted the study here before. Look it up.
wrote:
>On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>>
>>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>>
>>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>>
>>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>>
>>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>>
>>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>>
>>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>>> fears.
>>>>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>>
>>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>>> reduction in gun violence.
>>>
>> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
>> understand even the simplest things.
>>
>>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>>
>> Cite.
>
>What the fuck do you mean, "cite"? Have you been blowing gummer?
>That's what he always squeals, too.
>
You're making the claim. Let's see the proof. Or just more of your
>>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>>> fears.
>>>>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>>
>>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>>> reduction in gun violence.
>>>
>> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
>> understand even the simplest things.
>>
>>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>>
>> Cite.
>
>What the fuck do you mean, "cite"? Have you been blowing gummer?
>That's what he always squeals, too.
>
lies?
>
>> Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
>> they using?
>
>The public are saying it.
>
>
>> I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
>> additional gun control laws were legislated.
>
>That doesn't prove or even suggest that additional gun control laws
>*caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
>being able to show that.
>
Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>
>> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
>> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>
>Nothing in the story said that, you liar.
George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 5:23:22 PM5/7/13
to
On 5/7/2013 2:13 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:57:40 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>>> Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
>>> they using?
>>
>> The public are saying it.
>>
> Prove it,
Tell it to Pew Research, fuckwit.
>>> I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
>>> additional gun control laws were legislated.
>>
>> That doesn't prove or even suggest that additional gun control laws
>> *caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
>> being able to show that.
>>
> You said gun violence has been going down since 93.
No, I didn't.
> That's when the Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
You're committing a classic /post hoc/ fallacy.
Gun violence continued to *rise* for a few years after passage of the
Brady bill. Then it began falling. The Brady bill would *NOT* lead to
a sustained year-on-year decline in gun violence, you stupid fuck.
>>> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
>>> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>>
>> Nothing in the story said that, you liar.
>
> I've posted the study here before.
Bullshit.
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:57:40 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>>>> fears.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>>>
>>>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>>>> reduction in gun violence.
>>>>
>>> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
>>> understand even the simplest things.
>>>
>>>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>>>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>>>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>>>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>>>
>>> Cite.
>>
>> What the fuck do you mean, "cite"? Have you been blowing gummer?
>> That's what he always squeals, too.
>>
> You're making the claim.
The Pew Research organization made the claim.
>>>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>>>> fears.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>>>
>>>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>>>> reduction in gun violence.
>>>>
>>> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
>>> understand even the simplest things.
>>>
>>>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>>>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>>>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>>>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>>>
>>> Cite.
>>
>> What the fuck do you mean, "cite"? Have you been blowing gummer?
>> That's what he always squeals, too.
>>
> You're making the claim.
>>> Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
>>> they using?
>>
>> The public are saying it.
>>
> Prove it,
>>> I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
>>> additional gun control laws were legislated.
>>
>> That doesn't prove or even suggest that additional gun control laws
>> *caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
>> being able to show that.
>>
> You said gun violence has been going down since 93.
> That's when the Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
Gun violence continued to *rise* for a few years after passage of the
Brady bill. Then it began falling. The Brady bill would *NOT* lead to
a sustained year-on-year decline in gun violence, you stupid fuck.
>>> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
>>> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>>
>> Nothing in the story said that, you liar.
>
> I've posted the study here before.
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On May 7, 3:23 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> By Emily Alpert
>
> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> Pew Research Center.
>
> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> the turn of the millennium.
>
> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> Gun crimes that weren t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> By Emily Alpert
>
> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> Pew Research Center.
>
> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> the turn of the millennium.
>
> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
>
> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> fears.
Of course gun loons think gun crime is up when it's actually down -
> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> fears.
they
get a steady diet of gun-hysteria right-wing media reports hyping
their
fears.
TMT
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Too_Many_Tools
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On May 7, 3:40 pm, deep wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >By Emily Alpert
>
> >May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> >Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> >of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> >crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> >Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> >believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> >Pew Research Center.
>
> >In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> >half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> >drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> >dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> >the turn of the millennium.
>
> >The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> >of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> >Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> >the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
> >Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
> >http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >By Emily Alpert
>
> >May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> >Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> >of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> >crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> >Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> >believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> >Pew Research Center.
>
> >In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> >half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> >drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> >dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> >the turn of the millennium.
>
> >The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> >of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> >Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> >the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
> >Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
>
> >Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >fears.
>
> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>
> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.- Hide quoted text -
> >Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >fears.
>
> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I was thinking that too...just like America was.
Gun loons live in a bubble...of their own fears.
TMT
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On May 7, 3:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> > wrote:
>
> >> By Emily Alpert
>
> >> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> >> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> >> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> >> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> >> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> >> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> >> Pew Research Center.
>
> >> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> >> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> >> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> >> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> >> the turn of the millennium.
>
> >> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> >> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> >> Gun crimes that weren t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> > wrote:
>
> >> By Emily Alpert
>
> >> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> >> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> >> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> >> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> >> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> >> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> >> Pew Research Center.
>
> >> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> >> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> >> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> >> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> >> the turn of the millennium.
>
> >> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> >> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> >> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
> >> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
> >>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
> >> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
>
> >> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >> fears.
>
> > Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
> reduction in gun violence.
>
> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?- Hide quoted text -
> >> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >> fears.
>
> > Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
> reduction in gun violence.
>
> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes it does.
> - Show quoted text -
Prove otherwise.
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> >>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >>> fears.
>
> >> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
> >The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
> >reduction in gun violence.
>
> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> understand even the simplest things.
>
> >You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
> >your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
> >persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
> >and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> Cite. Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
> they using? I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
> additional gun control laws were legislated.
>
> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>
> Can't deal with the facts, can you?- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >>> fears.
>
> >> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
> >The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
> >reduction in gun violence.
>
> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> understand even the simplest things.
>
> >You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
> >your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
> >persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
> >and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> Cite. Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
> they using? I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
> additional gun control laws were legislated.
>
> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bet he can't come with any proof.
> - Show quoted text -
Laugh..laugh..laugh...
TMT
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May 7, 2013, 6:10:15 PM5/7/13
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On 5/7/2013 3:08 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On May 7, 3:40 pm, deep wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> By Emily Alpert
>>
>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>
>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>
>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>> Pew Research Center.
>>
>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>
>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> On May 7, 3:40 pm, deep wrote:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> By Emily Alpert
>>
>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>
>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>
>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>> Pew Research Center.
>>
>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>
>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>> fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>
>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
It didn't have anything to do with it.
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>> fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>
>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>
> I was thinking that too...just like America was.
stupid.
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> On 5/7/2013 4:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
> >> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> By Emily Alpert
>
> >>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> >>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> >>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> >>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> >>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> >>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> >>> Pew Research Center.
>
> >>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> >>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> >>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> >>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> >>> the turn of the millennium.
>
> >>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> >>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> >>> Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> On 5/7/2013 4:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
> >> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> By Emily Alpert
>
> >>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> >>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> >>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> >>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> >>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> >>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> >>> Pew Research Center.
>
> >>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> >>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> >>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> >>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> >>> the turn of the millennium.
>
> >>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> >>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> >>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
> >>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
> >>>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
> >>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
>
> >>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >>> fears.
>
> >> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
> > The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
> > reduction in gun violence.
>
> > You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
> > your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
> > persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
> > and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> What other option does he have?- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >>> fears.
>
> >> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
> > The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
> > reduction in gun violence.
>
> > You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
> > your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
> > persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
> > and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bitching and lying...Krazy George has no proof...neither does Parasite
> - Show quoted text -
Tommy.
TMT
George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 6:12:08 PM5/7/13
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No, it doesn't. Gun crime *rose* for the first few years after the
Brady bill passed. Then, it kept falling every year. If the Brady bill
had had any effect on reducing gun crime, it would have been a one-time
fall in the rate.
George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 6:15:45 PM5/7/13
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>
> Bet he can't come with any proof.
bill - or any other gun control bill - led to any reduction in gun crime.
Here's something interesting for you to stick up your ass: gun crime
*continued* to fall after the expiration of the "assault weapon" ban.
Prove that the expiration of the ban did *not* cause the continued fall
in gun crime. Go ahead - take all the space you need <chortle>.
You stupid illiterate fuck.
George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 6:17:10 PM5/7/13
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On 5/7/2013 3:11 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On May 7, 3:48 pm, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>> On 5/7/2013 4:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>
>>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>
>>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>
>>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>
>>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>
>>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> On May 7, 3:48 pm, Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote:
>> On 5/7/2013 4:43 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>
>>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>
>>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>
>>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>
>>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>
>>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
>>
>>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>>> fears.
>>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>
>>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>>> reduction in gun violence.
>>
>>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>>
>> What other option does he have?
>
>>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
>>
>>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>>> fears.
>>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>
>>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>>> reduction in gun violence.
>>
>>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>>
>> What other option does he have?
>
> Bitching and lying...Krazy George has no proof
You're the one who needs to "prove" that the Brady bill caused any
reduction in gun crime. It might have done, but it did not lead to a
sustained year-on-year drop. It couldn't have.
deep
May 7, 2013, 6:27:45 PM5/7/13
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On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>
>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>
>It didn't have anything to do with it.
Liar
>
>
>>
>> I was thinking that too...just like America was.
>
>No, you were thinking that gun crime is up... because you're terminally
>stupid.
I never said gun crime was up. That's your lie. I told you to prove
"The left wing media" was intentionally lying. You can't because
you're the one lying. Again.
wrote:
>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>
>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>
>It didn't have anything to do with it.
>
>
>>
>> I was thinking that too...just like America was.
>
>No, you were thinking that gun crime is up... because you're terminally
>stupid.
"The left wing media" was intentionally lying. You can't because
you're the one lying. Again.
George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 7:02:51 PM5/7/13
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On 5/7/2013 3:27 PM, deep wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>>>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>>>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>>>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>>>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>>
>> It didn't have anything to do with it.
>
> Liar
LOL!!! No, I'm not.
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>>>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>>>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>>>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>>>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>>
>> It didn't have anything to do with it.
>
> Liar
>>>
>>> I was thinking that too...just like America was.
>>
>> No, you were thinking that gun crime is up... because you're terminally
>> stupid.
>
> I never said gun crime was up.
Ashton Crusher
May 7, 2013, 7:20:27 PM5/7/13
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support. The murder rate peaked in 1991 and was on it's way down
before the Brady bill was passed. Brady didn't take effect until
1994. Also, the murder rate in 1962 was about half what it was at its
peak in 91. It is just now returning to the 1962 levels. If you look
at other statistics that ought to follow your theory of decrease due
to the Brady law you won't find the evidence you need. The drop in
violent crime also preceded Brady. The drop in rape preceded Brady.
Vehicle theft drop preceded Brady. the robbery peak preceded Brady.
If you look at the data there is something that happened around
1991/92 that appears to have lead to a long term drop in crime rates.
That was when the World Wide web took off so perhaps that's the cause.
Or it was the end of Bush I and the start of Clinton, so perhaps
that's the cause.
Or it was the intro of the Intel Pentium, so perhaps that's the cause.
and on and on.
This was also around the time of the First Trade Center Bombing, so
perhaps that's the cause.
In any event, the Brady bill is not the cause.
Oglethorpe
May 7, 2013, 10:02:49 PM5/7/13
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"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
news:87008$51896290$414e828e$24...@EVERESTKC.NET...
> By Emily Alpert
>
> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle of
> the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other crimes,
> two new studies of government data show.
>
> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> Pew Research Center.
>
> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in half.
> Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader drop in
> violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime dropped
> steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since the turn
> of the millennium.
>
> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain the
>
> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle of
> the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other crimes,
> two new studies of government data show.
>
> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> Pew Research Center.
>
> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in half.
> Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader drop in
> violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime dropped
> steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since the turn
> of the millennium.
>
> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted. Between
> 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S. were carried
> out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>
>
> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> fears.
The left lies. It's what they do.
> 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S. were carried
> out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>
>
> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> fears.
Oglethorpe
May 7, 2013, 10:04:18 PM5/7/13
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<deep> wrote in message news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com...
Clinton and his lies.
deep
May 7, 2013, 8:21:01 PM5/7/13
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On Tue, 7 May 2013 19:04:18 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
wrote:
Have a cite for that? No of course you don't.
http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
wrote:
http://factcheck.org/2012/12/gun-rhetoric-vs-gun-facts/
Oglethorpe
May 7, 2013, 10:28:48 PM5/7/13
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<deep> wrote in message news:dmvio8lbnp5meb46r...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>>>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>>>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>>>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>>>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>>
>>It didn't have anything to do with it.
>
> Liar
>
What you are.
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>>>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>>>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>>>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>>>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>>
>>It didn't have anything to do with it.
>
> Liar
>
Ashton Crusher
May 7, 2013, 8:33:32 PM5/7/13
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On Tue, 7 May 2013 19:02:49 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
wrote:
They ALL lie. It's what they do.
wrote:
George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 8:44:44 PM5/7/13
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On 5/7/2013 5:21 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
Nothing in that mess refutes what he said.
Meanwhile: http://archives.gunsandammo.com/content/carry-at-your-own-risk
So, he's right: the gun crime rate dropped dramatically as CCW spread
across the country. He's right, and you're wrong - as usual, you
cretinous little no-fight squat-to-piss fairy.
Meanwhile: http://archives.gunsandammo.com/content/carry-at-your-own-risk
So, he's right: the gun crime rate dropped dramatically as CCW spread
across the country. He's right, and you're wrong - as usual, you
cretinous little no-fight squat-to-piss fairy.
Oglethorpe
May 7, 2013, 10:48:43 PM5/7/13
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<deep> wrote in message news:re6jo859mis57qbdq...@4ax.com...
Watch the country turn "blue".
Oglethorpe
May 7, 2013, 10:50:34 PM5/7/13
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"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php
George Plimpton
May 7, 2013, 8:54:38 PM5/7/13
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on his crow before he eats it.
RD Sandman
May 7, 2013, 9:11:41 PM5/7/13
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deep wrote in news:vapio8lcucqamgpcq...@4ax.com:
It went into effect in 1994 in a very limited form....not in its present
form.
"Prosecution and conviction of violators of the Brady Act, however, is
extremely rare. During the first 17 months of the Act, only seven
individuals were convicted. In the first year of the Act, 250 cases were
referred for prosecution and 217 of them were rejected.[19]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act
It really hasn't got much better. Look up "Enforcement of the Brady
Act" for 2010. There is an interesting summary in the last few pages.
Now what do you
> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works
You really should read what what the CDC and NAS said about that. They
both issued a statement saying that no study has proven any gun control
laws to be a causative factor on violent crime in either direction.
and gun homicide rates.
All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
> violence, not lower as you want to think.
You really should revisit that.
> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
Yep, when are you going to do it?
--
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman
You can be young without money, but you
can't be old without it.
form.
"Prosecution and conviction of violators of the Brady Act, however, is
extremely rare. During the first 17 months of the Act, only seven
individuals were convicted. In the first year of the Act, 250 cases were
referred for prosecution and 217 of them were rejected.[19]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act
It really hasn't got much better. Look up "Enforcement of the Brady
Act" for 2010. There is an interesting summary in the last few pages.
Now what do you
> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works
both issued a statement saying that no study has proven any gun control
laws to be a causative factor on violent crime in either direction.
.
> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> deaths.
No, they don't. There is very little correlation between Brady Rankings
> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> deaths.
and gun homicide rates.
All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
> violence, not lower as you want to think.
> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
Yep, when are you going to do it?
--
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman
You can be young without money, but you
can't be old without it.
RD Sandman
May 7, 2013, 9:13:51 PM5/7/13
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deep wrote in news:mvpio8hf0s4rl13b2...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>>On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>>your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>>persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is
>>falling and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> Cite. Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
> they using? I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
while the number of guns increases.
> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
No,they don't.
> Can't deal with the facts, can you?
>
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>>On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>>reduction in gun violence.
>>
> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> understand even the simplest things.
ROFLMAO!!!
>>reduction in gun violence.
>>
> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> understand even the simplest things.
>>You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>>your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>>persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is
>>falling and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> they using? I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
> additional gun control laws were legislated.
Gun violence has been going down before Brady and it continues down even
while the number of guns increases.
> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
> Can't deal with the facts, can you?
>
RD Sandman
May 7, 2013, 9:17:26 PM5/7/13
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deep wrote in news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com:
Gun homicides started going down in 1991. Brady was passed in November of
1993, signed into law in December of 1993 and went into effect in 1994.
Which date do you intend to stick with as your starting point?
>>> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest
>>> gun control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>>
>>Nothing in the story said that, you liar.
>
> I've posted the study here before. Look it up.
I have.
1993, signed into law in December of 1993 and went into effect in 1994.
Which date do you intend to stick with as your starting point?
>>> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest
>>> gun control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>>
>>Nothing in the story said that, you liar.
>
> I've posted the study here before. Look it up.
RogerN
May 7, 2013, 9:32:31 PM5/7/13
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"deep" wrote in message news:dmvio8lbnp5meb46r...@4ax.com...
>On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>wrote:
>
<snip>
been attacking people's 1st amendment rights? If you didn't, it because the
left wing media won't report it.
People involved in the Benghazi attack have been trying to speak out but the
Obama administration has been keeping them silent. They are finally getting
to tell their story. Big news for leftwing media? Why not? Maybe because
there is evidence that Hillary Clinton lied, must run in the family. They
ignore big stories until the public finds out and then they cover and
downplay as a good ministry of propaganda should.
The 2016 Democratic Presidential nominee lying? She'd fit right in.
Democrats, politics for morons by morons.
Warning: The following link contains truth. The Surgeon General has
declared truth to be harmful to delusional left wingers.
http://aclj.org/RadioPlayer/obama-benghazi-story-crumbles/Player
RogerN
>On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>wrote:
>
>>No, you were thinking that gun crime is up... because you're terminally
>>stupid.
>
>I never said gun crime was up. That's your lie. I told you to prove
>"The left wing media" was intentionally lying. You can't because
>you're the one lying. Again.
Did you hear that besides Obama's attack on the 2nd amendment, he's also
>>stupid.
>
>I never said gun crime was up. That's your lie. I told you to prove
>"The left wing media" was intentionally lying. You can't because
>you're the one lying. Again.
been attacking people's 1st amendment rights? If you didn't, it because the
left wing media won't report it.
People involved in the Benghazi attack have been trying to speak out but the
Obama administration has been keeping them silent. They are finally getting
to tell their story. Big news for leftwing media? Why not? Maybe because
there is evidence that Hillary Clinton lied, must run in the family. They
ignore big stories until the public finds out and then they cover and
downplay as a good ministry of propaganda should.
The 2016 Democratic Presidential nominee lying? She'd fit right in.
Democrats, politics for morons by morons.
Warning: The following link contains truth. The Surgeon General has
declared truth to be harmful to delusional left wingers.
http://aclj.org/RadioPlayer/obama-benghazi-story-crumbles/Player
RogerN
Too_Many_Tools
May 8, 2013, 1:14:05 AM5/8/13
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On May 7, 3:57 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
> > wrote:
>
> >> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
> >>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> By Emily Alpert
>
> >>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> >>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> >>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> >>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> >>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> >>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> >>>> Pew Research Center.
>
> >>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> >>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> >>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> >>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> >>>> the turn of the millennium.
>
> >>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> >>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> >>>> Gun crimes that weren t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> >>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
> >>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
> >>>>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> By Emily Alpert
>
> >>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>
> >>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
> >>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
> >>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>
> >>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
> >>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
> >>>> Pew Research Center.
>
> >>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
> >>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
> >>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
> >>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
> >>>> the turn of the millennium.
>
> >>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
> >>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
> >>>> Gun crimes that weren t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> >>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
> >>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
>
> >>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >>>> fears.
>
> >>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
> >> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
> >> reduction in gun violence.
>
> > It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> > understand even the simplest things.
>
> >> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
> >> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
> >> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
> >> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> > Cite.
>
> What the fuck do you mean, "cite"? Have you been blowing gummer?
> That's what he always squeals, too.
>
> >>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >>>> fears.
>
> >>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
> >> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
> >> reduction in gun violence.
>
> > It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> > understand even the simplest things.
>
> >> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
> >> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
> >> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
> >> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> > Cite.
>
> What the fuck do you mean, "cite"? Have you been blowing gummer?
> That's what he always squeals, too.
>
> > Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
> > they using?
>
> The public are saying it.
>
> > they using?
>
> The public are saying it.
>
> > I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
> > additional gun control laws were legislated.
>
> That doesn't prove or even suggest that additional gun control laws
> *caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
> being able to show that.
>
> > additional gun control laws were legislated.
>
> That doesn't prove or even suggest that additional gun control laws
> *caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
> being able to show that.
>
> > And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> > control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>
> Nothing in the story said that, you liar.- Hide quoted text -
> > control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL..I was right...he has no proof.
> - Show quoted text -
TMT
1,960 murdered in Obama's organized communities
May 8, 2013, 1:20:05 AM5/8/13
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On Tue, 07 May 2013 16:27:45 -0600, deep wrote:
>I told you to prove
>"The left wing media" was intentionally lying.
Can't you see their lips moving?
>I told you to prove
>"The left wing media" was intentionally lying.
1,960 murdered in Obama's organized communities
May 8, 2013, 1:31:32 AM5/8/13
to
On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
>On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>
>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>
>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>
>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>
>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>
>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
wrote:
>On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>
>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>
>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>
>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>
>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>
>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>> fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
>The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>reduction in gun violence.
>
>>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>> fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>
>The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>reduction in gun violence.
>
>You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
They are incapable of anything else.
>your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
George Plimpton
May 8, 2013, 1:48:06 AM5/8/13
to
On 5/7/2013 10:31 PM, 1,960 murdered in Obama's organized communities wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>
>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>
>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>
>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>
>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>
>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>
>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>
>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>
>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>
>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>
>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>> fears.
>>>
>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>
>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>> reduction in gun violence.
>>
>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> They are incapable of anything else.
I know that, but I wanted to read it from a leftist's own keyboard.
>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>> fears.
>>>
>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>
>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>> reduction in gun violence.
>>
>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> They are incapable of anything else.
Looks as if I'll be disappointed.
arizonajohn
May 8, 2013, 3:22:45 AM5/8/13
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>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>
>>
>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>> fears.
>
> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> deaths.
Bzzzzzzz!!!! Wrong. California is the worst violator of 2nd Amendment
> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> deaths.
rights and is the highest in gun crime.
Chicago, Illinois is a leader in gun deaths and has some of the
strictest anti-2nd Amendment laws in the country.
All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
> violence, not lower as you want to think.
you head.
>
> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
>
The Brady bill didn't work, and an armed society is a polite society.
> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
>
Gun ownership has kept crime down.
Are you advocating banning motor vehicles because they cause more deaths
than guns?
arizonajohn
May 8, 2013, 3:24:11 AM5/8/13
to
On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, deep wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>
>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>
>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>
>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>
>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>
>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:43:55 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:40 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>>> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> By Emily Alpert
>>>>
>>>> May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>>>
>>>> Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>>> of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>>> crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>>>
>>>> Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>>> believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>>> Pew Research Center.
>>>>
>>>> In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>>> half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>>> drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>>> dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>>> the turn of the millennium.
>>>>
>>>> The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>>> of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>>> Gun crimes that weren�t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>>>> the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>> fears.
>>>
>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>
>>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>>> fears.
>>>
>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993.
>>
>> The Brady Bill does *not*, of course, explain a sustained year-on-year
>> reduction in gun violence.
>>
>> reduction in gun violence.
>>
> It does to everyone but morons like you. It's not my fault you can't
> understand even the simplest things.
>
> understand even the simplest things.
>
>> You're evading - very fearfully - the fact that you gun-grabbers and
>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> Cite. Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
>> your loyal ass-lick media stooges are doing everything you can to
>> persuade people that gun violence is growing, when in fact it is falling
>> and has been for year. Why are you lying to the public?
>
> they using? I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
> additional gun control laws were legislated.
Your brain cells are atrophies.
>
> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
Like Illinois, and California, you poor ignorant government patsy.
> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>
> Can't deal with the facts, can you?
Fuck you, we know it is you Bloomberg. Use your real name.
> Can't deal with the facts, can you?
>
arizonajohn
May 8, 2013, 3:25:08 AM5/8/13
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On 5/7/2013 2:13 PM, deep wrote:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:57:40 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:57:40 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2013 1:48 PM, Scheisskopf lied:
>> What the fuck do you mean, "cite"? Have you been blowing gummer?
>> That's what he always squeals, too.
>>
>> That's what he always squeals, too.
>>
> You're making the claim. Let's see the proof. Or just more of your
> lies?
>
>>
> lies?
>
>>
>>> Who's saying gun violence is on the rise and what stats are
>>> they using?
>>
>>> they using?
>>
>> The public are saying it.
>>
>>
> Prove it, and prove the info is coming from the "left wing media"
>
>>
>
>>
>>> I'm saying gun violence has been going down ever since
>>> additional gun control laws were legislated.
>>
>>> additional gun control laws were legislated.
>>
>> That doesn't prove or even suggest that additional gun control laws
>> *caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
>> being able to show that.
>>
>> *caused* the reduction in gun crime. You wouldn't have a prayer of
>> being able to show that.
>>
> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>
>>
> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>
>>
>>> And I noticed you dodged the point that states with the strictest gun
>>> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>>
>>> control laws have the lowest gun violence rates.
>>
>> Nothing in the story said that, you liar.
>
> I've posted the study here before. Look it up.
>
If shit were electricity, you could power an air craft carrier.
>
> I've posted the study here before. Look it up.
>
arizonajohn
May 8, 2013, 3:26:07 AM5/8/13
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you lie enough you come to believe it yourself.
slate_leeper
May 8, 2013, 6:39:44 AM5/8/13
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On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
>
wrote:
>
>Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>fears.
Absolutely correct.
>get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>fears.
In the article "It’s unclear whether media coverage is driving the
misconception that such violence is up."
That's as close as you can get for the LA Times to admit their
complicity.
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George Plimpton
May 8, 2013, 11:48:39 AM5/8/13
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On 5/8/2013 12:22 AM, arizonajohn wrote:
>
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>> fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>> deaths.
>
> Bzzzzzzz!!!! Wrong. California is the worst violator of 2nd Amendment
> rights and is the highest in gun crime.
False. California is not the highest in gun crime. However, it does
>
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>> fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>> deaths.
>
> Bzzzzzzz!!!! Wrong. California is the worst violator of 2nd Amendment
> rights and is the highest in gun crime.
have the strictest gun control laws of *any* state, with a Brady score
of 80, and its gun murder rate per 100,000 population is well above the
national average; California ranks 12th for gun murders per 100,000, and
17th for all murders per 100,000.
It's very interesting to compare California and Texas. Texas has some
of the *least* restrictive gun control laws, getting a Brady score of 6.
It's gun murder rate per 100,000 population is 3.2, below California's
rate of 3.4. Texas's gun murders as a percentage of all murders is
64.6%; California's is 69.4%.
> Chicago, Illinois is a leader in gun deaths and has some of the
> strictest anti-2nd Amendment laws in the country.
>
>> All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
the lowest murder rates. However, gun murders as a percentage of all
murders are higher in those states.
Too_Many_Tools
May 8, 2013, 12:57:23 PM5/8/13
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>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL...he still doesn't have any proof..
> - Show quoted text -
Maybe you should ask Curious George...even a monkey is smarter than a
rightard.
laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
Too_Many_Tools
May 8, 2013, 12:59:30 PM5/8/13
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On May 8, 2:22 am, arizonajohn <drie...@sunnysideup.com> wrote:
> >> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
> >>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-...
> >> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
> >> were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>
>
> >> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >> fears.
>
> > Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
> > think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> > the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
> > And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> > the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> > deaths.
>
> Bzzzzzzz!!!! Wrong. California is the worst violator of 2nd Amendment
> rights and is the highest in gun crime.
>
> Chicago, Illinois is a leader in gun deaths and has some of the
> strictest anti-2nd Amendment laws in the country.
>
> All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>
> > violence, not lower as you want to think.
>
> You are just a government paid shill. Your wife probably won't even give
> you head.
>
> > thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
>
> The Brady bill didn't work, and an armed society is a polite society.
> Gun ownership has kept crime down.
> Are you advocating banning motor vehicles because they cause more deaths
> than guns?- Hide quoted text -
> >> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
> >> get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
> >> fears.
>
> > Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
> > think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> > the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
> > And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> > the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> > deaths.
>
> Bzzzzzzz!!!! Wrong. California is the worst violator of 2nd Amendment
> rights and is the highest in gun crime.
>
> Chicago, Illinois is a leader in gun deaths and has some of the
> strictest anti-2nd Amendment laws in the country.
>
> All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>
> > violence, not lower as you want to think.
>
> You are just a government paid shill. Your wife probably won't even give
> you head.
>
> > thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
>
> The Brady bill didn't work, and an armed society is a polite society.
> Gun ownership has kept crime down.
> Are you advocating banning motor vehicles because they cause more deaths
>
> - Show quoted text -
LOL...not only will my wife give me head but yours will too.
> - Show quoted text -
And she will leave with a SMILE!
Laugh..laugh..laugh...
TMT
George Plimpton
May 8, 2013, 1:05:17 PM5/8/13
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>> LOL..I was right...he has no proof.
>
>
> LOL...he still doesn't have any proof..
He sure doesn't, because his claim is false. California has by far the
strictest gun control laws among all states, and its gun violence rate
is significantly higher than the national average.
As always, stupid leftists can't do basic statistics or statistical
inference.
Räy Fischer
May 8, 2013, 1:06:04 PM5/8/13
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WrongWayWade
May 8, 2013, 2:19:23 PM5/8/13
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deep wrote:
'epidemic of gun violence'. If it's going down it's not an 'epidemic'.
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get
>>>> slapped in the face with the truth before you will understand gun
>>>> control works. And for more evidence, look at the list of states
>>>> by gun deaths and the ones with all the strictest laws have the
>>>> lowest rates of gun deaths. All those red states with lax laws
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get
>>>> slapped in the face with the truth before you will understand gun
>>>> control works. And for more evidence, look at the list of states
>>>> by gun deaths and the ones with all the strictest laws have the
>>>> have higher rates of gun violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>>
>>
>> It didn't have anything to do with it.
>
> Liar
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking that too...just like America was.
>
> Liar
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> No, you were thinking that gun crime is up... because you're
>> terminally stupid.
>
> I never said gun crime was up. That's your lie. I told you to prove
> "The left wing media" was intentionally lying. You can't because
> you're the one lying. Again.
See how many instances from the mainstream media you can find of the phrase
>> No, you were thinking that gun crime is up... because you're
>> terminally stupid.
>
> I never said gun crime was up. That's your lie. I told you to prove
> "The left wing media" was intentionally lying. You can't because
> you're the one lying. Again.
'epidemic of gun violence'. If it's going down it's not an 'epidemic'.
Ed Huntress
May 8, 2013, 2:34:10 PM5/8/13
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Kaiser Foundation found at one point that 51% of the lead stories on
local TV evening news were about crime. Murders lead other crime. This
topic was a favorite of media researchers going back to the '60s, and
hardly anything has changed. You'll see the same patterns over the
last 50 years.
It isn't "liberal" media. FOX locals and everyone else does it, too.
Crime leads; violent crime leads crime; violent crime against kids
leads violent crime against adults; sick, bloody mass killings lead
violent crime of all other kinds. Shootings are good for leads because
they always create a controversy. Controversy, like train wrecks,
makes good news.
That's all there is to it. Assuming some liberal conspiracy is being
too clever by half. People watch the local stations that give them the
most blood and tragedy. A slow night would be a grandma dying in a
house fire with her three cats, and cops arresting a drug dealer with
no shots fired.
So now we have a hat trick of hat tricks: Three mass murders --
Tucson, Aurora, and Newtown; dead kids in each; high-capacity guns in
each. Political buzz all over the place.
It's a field day for news producers.
--
Ed Huntress
Dano
May 8, 2013, 2:36:17 PM5/8/13
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"arizonajohn" wrote in message news:kmcug8$hqv$1...@wieslauf.sub.de...
===============================================
Are YOU advocating lifting registration laws on motor vehicles? And banning
cooperation between law enforcement agencies in that regard?
Because that's pretty much the worst that's being asked for by the so-called
"gun grabbers".
And yes...the crime rate has been declining...steadily...since passage of
the Brady Bill in 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Property_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg
So did the Brady Bill cause that? Maybe. Maybe not. But that important
gun legislation certainly hasn't hindered that decline. Neither will
adequate and prudent registration. THAT must be national in order to be
effective. For obvious reasons. Like crossing state lines.
Are YOU advocating lifting registration laws on motor vehicles? And banning
cooperation between law enforcement agencies in that regard?
Because that's pretty much the worst that's being asked for by the so-called
"gun grabbers".
And yes...the crime rate has been declining...steadily...since passage of
the Brady Bill in 1993.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Property_Crime_Rates_in_the_United_States.svg
So did the Brady Bill cause that? Maybe. Maybe not. But that important
gun legislation certainly hasn't hindered that decline. Neither will
adequate and prudent registration. THAT must be national in order to be
effective. For obvious reasons. Like crossing state lines.
Dano
May 8, 2013, 2:38:03 PM5/8/13
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"arizonajohn" wrote in message news:kmcukm$hqv$3...@wieslauf.sub.de...
==========================================
If your own personal stupidity were radioactive...this whole planet would
melt down.
If your own personal stupidity were radioactive...this whole planet would
melt down.
Dano
May 8, 2013, 2:48:44 PM5/8/13
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"arizonajohn" wrote in message news:kmcumh$hqv$4...@wieslauf.sub.de...
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Yeah. Right. Because you're such an unimpeachable source. :/
Guess what. No one believes anything you say. You destroy your own
credibility with the venom you spew forth here.
Yeah. Right. Because you're such an unimpeachable source. :/
Guess what. No one believes anything you say. You destroy your own
credibility with the venom you spew forth here.
RD Sandman
May 8, 2013, 3:20:18 PM5/8/13
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arizonajohn <dri...@sunnysideup.com> wrote in
news:kmcug8$hqv$1...@wieslauf.sub.de:
>
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the
>>> U.S. were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics
>>> found.
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-
>>> report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down -
>>> they get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports
>>> hyping their fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped
>> in the face with the truth before you will understand gun control
>> works. And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun
>> deaths and the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates
>> of gun deaths.
>
> Bzzzzzzz!!!! Wrong. California is the worst violator of 2nd Amendment
> rights and is the highest in gun crime.
California invariably ranks numbver 1 or number 2 in Brady Rankings for
gun control, it also ranks around the middle of the pack for firearms
homicide rankings.
news:kmcug8$hqv$1...@wieslauf.sub.de:
>
>>> Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the
>>> U.S. were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics
>>> found.
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-
>>> report-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down -
>>> they get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports
>>> hyping their fears.
>>
>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped
>> in the face with the truth before you will understand gun control
>> works. And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun
>> deaths and the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates
>> of gun deaths.
>
> Bzzzzzzz!!!! Wrong. California is the worst violator of 2nd Amendment
> rights and is the highest in gun crime.
gun control, it also ranks around the middle of the pack for firearms
homicide rankings.
George Plimpton
May 8, 2013, 3:47:17 PM5/8/13
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It's about 17th. It's closer to - but still above - the mean for
firearm robberies per 100,000 and firearm assaults per 100,000.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdGhycDRPQlN1dTBoMzJWOTk0Uk9DRVE&hl=en#gid=10
deep
May 8, 2013, 5:41:00 PM5/8/13
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On Wed, 08 May 2013 12:47:17 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
Liar.
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000
wrote:
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-000
RD Sandman
May 8, 2013, 6:25:38 PM5/8/13
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deep wrote in news:cihlo8dfh7nl1kgd4...@4ax.com:
Careful who you are calling a liar. Per your cite it ranks 30th best or
21st worst. Your choice.
Per my stats for 2010, California ranks 36th best (15th worst) for
handguns at 2.56 and 37th best (14th worst) for all guns at 3.37. Do you
wish to look at 2007 - 2009?
Now look at those numbers. 21st, 14th, 15th, 17th. All in the same
ballpart depending on the year picked and who estimated the population.
21st worst. Your choice.
Per my stats for 2010, California ranks 36th best (15th worst) for
handguns at 2.56 and 37th best (14th worst) for all guns at 3.37. Do you
wish to look at 2007 - 2009?
Now look at those numbers. 21st, 14th, 15th, 17th. All in the same
ballpart depending on the year picked and who estimated the population.
Scout
May 8, 2013, 6:38:13 PM5/8/13
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"deep" wrote in message news:cihlo8dfh7nl1kgd4...@4ax.com...
Please note there is a difference between gun murders (aka gun homicide) and
Firearm Deaths.
Firearm Deaths also includes *DaDa* suicides, accidents, and even lawful
self defense.
Hence you are lying by attempting to use oranges when he's talking apples.
Further if you follow the links in your own source we find that the firearms
homicide rate is actually stated to be HIGHER than his documents indicate.
3.6 per 100K in 2010 and 2011 instead of the 3.25 per 100K shown. So if
anything California's ranking may well be even higher than indicated.
Appendix Table 1: http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf
George Plimpton
May 8, 2013, 6:44:44 PM5/8/13
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about the firearm murder rates. Death rates include suicide and
accidental homicide.
Those numbers are bullshit anyway - worthless reeking bullshit.
You're far too stupid for this.
deep
May 8, 2013, 6:44:51 PM5/8/13
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crime. They lead to less gun crime. That clearly means gun control
laws work as intended. Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
help. More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
believe.
George Plimpton
May 8, 2013, 6:46:45 PM5/8/13
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> That clearly means gun control laws work as intended.
You're full of shit.
Oglethorpe
May 8, 2013, 9:02:46 PM5/8/13
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<deep> wrote in message news:k7llo8hbna1pcuqm5...@4ax.com...
Ed Huntress
May 8, 2013, 7:10:36 PM5/8/13
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 18:02:46 -0700, "Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com>
wrote:
Only if you're standing on your head. The relationship goes the other
way around, as anyone with any sense should recognize: The places with
the worst gun crime enact the strictest gun laws, historically.
But most gun laws in the US are frustrated and defeated, first by the
fact that guns can cross state and municipal lines in the trunk of a
car, and second by the political nonsense that leads to such
brain-dead situations as a NICS check for regular commercial sales,
and a free-for-all for private sales and "collector" sales at gun
shows.
If someone visited from another planet and saw the legal situation
we've created with NICS, they'd conclude we are all insane. And they'd
be half right.
As the frustration builds with the inadequacy of gun regulation to
improve things in this environment, and with national laws so
politically difficult to enacts, some places are adding on more laws,
some of which are absurd and most of which are doomed to more
ineffectiveness.
--
Ed Huntress
wrote:
way around, as anyone with any sense should recognize: The places with
the worst gun crime enact the strictest gun laws, historically.
But most gun laws in the US are frustrated and defeated, first by the
fact that guns can cross state and municipal lines in the trunk of a
car, and second by the political nonsense that leads to such
brain-dead situations as a NICS check for regular commercial sales,
and a free-for-all for private sales and "collector" sales at gun
shows.
If someone visited from another planet and saw the legal situation
we've created with NICS, they'd conclude we are all insane. And they'd
be half right.
As the frustration builds with the inadequacy of gun regulation to
improve things in this environment, and with national laws so
politically difficult to enacts, some places are adding on more laws,
some of which are absurd and most of which are doomed to more
ineffectiveness.
--
Ed Huntress
RD Sandman
May 8, 2013, 7:31:04 PM5/8/13
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deep wrote in news:k7llo8hbna1pcuqm5...@4ax.com:
Not per any study examined by the CDC or the NAS. Both of those entities
have stated that no current study shows a *causal* effect on violent
crime in either direction. CDC says that more study is needed.
That clearly means gun control
> laws work as intended.
But that is not what the data shows. It agrees with the CDC and NAS and
doesn't show any repeatable effect.
Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
> help. More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
> believe.
Nor will it work as you believe.
have stated that no current study shows a *causal* effect on violent
crime in either direction. CDC says that more study is needed.
That clearly means gun control
> laws work as intended.
doesn't show any repeatable effect.
Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
> help. More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
> believe.
RD Sandman
May 8, 2013, 7:33:32 PM5/8/13
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"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> wrote in
news:RIGdnTk_abQ4RBfM...@mchsi.com:
Do places with high crime have lots of laws against guns because of the
crime or the high crime rate due to the laws. I happen to believe the
former. High crime places pass more laws, low crime areas pass less of
them. The high crime rate or low crime rate really has nothing or little
to do with the laws that are passed.
news:RIGdnTk_abQ4RBfM...@mchsi.com:
>>>>>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdGhycDRPQlN
>>>>>1dT BoMzJWOTk0Uk9DRVE&hl=en#gid=10
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-
>>>> 000
>>>
>>>
>>>>>1dT BoMzJWOTk0Uk9DRVE&hl=en#gid=10
>>>>
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-death-rate-per-100-
>>>> 000
>>>
>>>
>>>Careful who you are calling a liar. Per your cite it ranks 30th best
>>>or 21st worst. Your choice.
>>>
>>>Per my stats for 2010, California ranks 36th best (15th worst) for
>>>handguns at 2.56 and 37th best (14th worst) for all guns at 3.37. Do
>>>you wish to look at 2007 - 2009?
>>>
>>>Now look at those numbers. 21st, 14th, 15th, 17th. All in the same
>>>ballpart depending on the year picked and who estimated the
>>>population.
>>
>> One thing is for certain: strict guns laws don't lead to more gun
>> crime.
>
> The places with the strictest "gun laws" have the worst "gun crime".
>
>
>
Not necessarily but there is an effect that many people do not look at.
>>>or 21st worst. Your choice.
>>>
>>>Per my stats for 2010, California ranks 36th best (15th worst) for
>>>handguns at 2.56 and 37th best (14th worst) for all guns at 3.37. Do
>>>you wish to look at 2007 - 2009?
>>>
>>>Now look at those numbers. 21st, 14th, 15th, 17th. All in the same
>>>ballpart depending on the year picked and who estimated the
>>>population.
>>
>> One thing is for certain: strict guns laws don't lead to more gun
>> crime.
>
> The places with the strictest "gun laws" have the worst "gun crime".
>
>
>
Do places with high crime have lots of laws against guns because of the
crime or the high crime rate due to the laws. I happen to believe the
former. High crime places pass more laws, low crime areas pass less of
them. The high crime rate or low crime rate really has nothing or little
to do with the laws that are passed.
deep
May 8, 2013, 7:54:28 PM5/8/13
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On Wed, 08 May 2013 18:31:04 -0500, RD Sandman
Keep repeating that. Maybe someday you'll actually believe your lies.
And maybe while we're at it let's suspend all drivers' and car
licensing because we're not sure if it prevents fatal car tragedies.
You people are truly mind boggling. A failure in logic virtually
beyond any comprehension.
> That clearly means gun control
>> laws work as intended.
>
>But that is not what the data shows. It agrees with the CDC and NAS and
>doesn't show any repeatable effect.
>
> Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
>> help. More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
>> believe.
>
>Nor will it work as you believe.
It's not perfect, but it works. The stats prove it. Any failure in
the law is due to the fact that it's not applied universally nation
wide, and all someone has to do is drive to the next state and load up
the trunk and make a ton of cash selling their "private collection".
Even more incredible than the fact this is happening is that you
people think it's ok.
And maybe while we're at it let's suspend all drivers' and car
licensing because we're not sure if it prevents fatal car tragedies.
You people are truly mind boggling. A failure in logic virtually
beyond any comprehension.
> That clearly means gun control
>> laws work as intended.
>
>But that is not what the data shows. It agrees with the CDC and NAS and
>doesn't show any repeatable effect.
>
> Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
>> help. More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
>> believe.
>
>Nor will it work as you believe.
the law is due to the fact that it's not applied universally nation
wide, and all someone has to do is drive to the next state and load up
the trunk and make a ton of cash selling their "private collection".
Even more incredible than the fact this is happening is that you
people think it's ok.
Gray Guest
May 8, 2013, 9:23:21 PM5/8/13
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deep wrote in news:vapio8lcucqamgpcq...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>>By Emily Alpert
>>
>>May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>
>>Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>
>>Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>Pew Research Center.
>>
>>In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>the turn of the millennium.
>>
>>The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>>the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
the number of prosecutions for Brady violations over the last 20 years
wouldn't keep a moderate sized county's court and jail busy I'd say Brady
had fuck to do with it.
When are you going to be a good citizen and report the gun runner next door
to you that you told us all about?
--
Refusenik #1
Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.
Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 13:23:49 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>>By Emily Alpert
>>
>>May 7, 2013, 12:46 p.m.
>>
>>Gun crime has plunged in the United States since its peak in the middle
>>of the 1990s, including gun killings, assaults, robberies and other
>>crimes, two new studies of government data show.
>>
>>Yet few Americans are aware of the dramatic drop, and more than half
>>believe gun crime has risen, according to a newly released survey by the
>>Pew Research Center.
>>
>>In less than two decades, the gun murder rate has been nearly cut in
>>half. Other gun crimes fell even more sharply, paralleling a broader
>>drop in violent crimes committed with or without guns. Violent crime
>>dropped steeply during the 1990s and has fallen less dramatically since
>>the turn of the millennium.
>>
>>The number of gun killings dropped 39% between 1993 and 2011, the Bureau
>>of Justice Statistics reported in a separate report released Wednesday.
>>Gun crimes that weren’t fatal fell by 69%. However, guns still remain
>>the most common murder weapon in the United States, the report noted.
>>Between 1993 and 2011, more than two out of three murders in the U.S.
>>were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-repo
>>rt-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>
>>
>>Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>fears.
>
> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>were carried out with guns, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found.
>>
>>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-gun-crimes-pew-repo
>>rt-20130507,0,3022693.story
>>
>>
>>Of course Americans think gun crime is up when it's actually down - they
>>get a steady diet of gun-grabbing left-wing media reports hyping their
>>fears.
>
> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>
>
> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked, though.
>
>
Since gun dealers WERE NEVER a primary source for crimianls and given that
>
>
the number of prosecutions for Brady violations over the last 20 years
wouldn't keep a moderate sized county's court and jail busy I'd say Brady
had fuck to do with it.
When are you going to be a good citizen and report the gun runner next door
to you that you told us all about?
--
Refusenik #1
Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.
Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama
Gray Guest
May 8, 2013, 9:25:47 PM5/8/13
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deep wrote in news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com:
> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
What I can figure out is that prosecutions for Brady violations have been a
tiny percentage of actual DQs so how does that work?
> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
tiny percentage of actual DQs so how does that work?
Gray Guest
May 8, 2013, 9:42:42 PM5/8/13
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deep wrote in news:dmvio8lbnp5meb46r...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>>>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>>>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>>>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>>>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>>
PEOPLE OWNING GUNS?!? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?!?
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 15:10:15 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Well golly gee, the Brady Bill was passed in 1993. Now what do you
>>>> think about that? How many times do you people have to get slapped in
>>>> the face with the truth before you will understand gun control works.
>>>> And for more evidence, look at the list of states by gun deaths and
>>>> the ones with all the strictest laws have the lowest rates of gun
>>>> deaths. All those red states with lax laws have higher rates of gun
>>>> violence, not lower as you want to think.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for proving the Brady Bill worked,
>>
>>It didn't have anything to do with it.
>
> Liar
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking that too...just like America was.
>>
>>No, you were thinking that gun crime is up... because you're terminally
>>stupid.
>
> I never said gun crime was up. That's your lie. I told you to prove
> "The left wing media" was intentionally lying. You can't because
> you're the one lying. Again.
>
Well then, if gun crime is down, WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH HONEST
>
> Liar
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I was thinking that too...just like America was.
>>
>>No, you were thinking that gun crime is up... because you're terminally
>>stupid.
>
> I never said gun crime was up. That's your lie. I told you to prove
> "The left wing media" was intentionally lying. You can't because
> you're the one lying. Again.
>
PEOPLE OWNING GUNS?!? WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?!?
Ed Huntress
May 8, 2013, 10:43:41 PM5/8/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 01:25:47 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>deep wrote in news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com:
>
>> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
>> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>
>What I can figure out is that prosecutions for Brady violations have been a
>tiny percentage of actual DQs so how does that work?
How that works varies by state. In Virginia, for example, there were
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>deep wrote in news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com:
>
>> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
>> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>
>What I can figure out is that prosecutions for Brady violations have been a
>tiny percentage of actual DQs so how does that work?
2,999 denials in 2010. They investigated 942 and made 842 arrests. In
the course of those investigations they also apprehended 65 wanted
persons.
The number of federal cases that are dropped for "no prosecutive
merit" is huge. Most never make it to prosecutors' offices. When they
do, they have to fall within limited guidelines or they aren't
prosecuted. Remember, all of those cases would have to go through U.S.
District Courts. There are only 94 of them in the entire United
States. They limit prosecutions to those they feel are really
dangerous.
There are not many states that make an all-out effort, and federal
reseources are very limited.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf
Of course, if you're denied and they don't prosecute or they don't
find you, no problem. You can still buy from a retail store (7.3%), a
pawnshop, flea market, or gun show (4.0%), buy or borrow it from a
friend or family member (36.3%), buy on the street or from a fence
(32.6%), or, if all else fails, steal it (7.5%). Maybe you "other" it.
<g> (22.3%).
Anyway, they all come from dealers to begin with, and then find their
way into the criminal market. In all but a small percentage of those
cases, the first purchaser was legal -- or appeared to be legal. Then
he either turned out to be a straw purchaser or left it in his
nightstand for easy pickings in a burglary.
See? It's not so hard. Not in the US of A, it's not. Hell, in some
states, you don't even have tell anyone what state you're from or
whether you're a criminal in order to make a private purchase. Guns
for all!
http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf
(The last one is a brand new report, just released last week, for
statistics collectors like RD. <g>)
--
Ed Huntress
Scout
May 8, 2013, 11:13:47 PM5/8/13
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"deep" wrote in message news:k7llo8hbna1pcuqm5...@4ax.com...
Care to produce some for me?
Oh, and FYI "Correlation does not imply causality", keep that in mind as you
put your evidence together.
> That clearly means gun control
> laws work as intended.
two different agencies both found no evidence of causality.
> Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
> help.
>More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
> believe.
back or eliminated....crime was going down.
How do you explain that?
Scout
May 8, 2013, 11:15:16 PM5/8/13
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"deep" wrote in message news:05plo857md4f3m5rb...@4ax.com...
Oh, and what exactly are you claiming RD lied about?
Scout
May 8, 2013, 11:16:09 PM5/8/13
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"Ed Huntress" <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:semlo8p9npnaq9lvh...@4ax.com...
aren't the way to solve this problem?
Ed Huntress
May 8, 2013, 11:17:57 PM5/8/13
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--
Ed Huntress
Scout
May 8, 2013, 11:18:54 PM5/8/13
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news:9o1mo8pmg7hjptsl2...@4ax.com...
So basically what you're telling us is that they don't have enough resources
to enforce existing background checks.....so why should we expand them?
to enforce existing background checks.....so why should we expand them?
Ed Huntress
May 8, 2013, 11:31:20 PM5/8/13
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tens of thousands of criminals, nutcases, and abusive spouses with
restraining orders against them.
They just don't have the resources to prosecute them for Brady Bill
violations. But stopping the purchases is the primary objective, and
that, they do -- when the states fulfill their end and keep the NICS
database up to date.
--
Ed Huntress
deep
May 8, 2013, 11:31:56 PM5/8/13
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>>>The places with the strictest "gun laws" have the worst "gun crime".
>>
>> Only if you're standing on your head. The relationship goes the other
>> way around, as anyone with any sense should recognize: The places with
>> the worst gun crime enact the strictest gun laws, historically.
>
>And yet, they remain the places with the worst gun crime.....so maybe laws
>aren't the way to solve this problem?
>
Or maybe they're ineffectual because all somebody needs do is head out
>>
>> Only if you're standing on your head. The relationship goes the other
>> way around, as anyone with any sense should recognize: The places with
>> the worst gun crime enact the strictest gun laws, historically.
>
>And yet, they remain the places with the worst gun crime.....so maybe laws
>aren't the way to solve this problem?
>
of town and drive across the border and load the trunk up full of guns
at the first gunshow they get to.
Gray Guest
May 9, 2013, 12:33:45 AM5/9/13
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Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
news:9o1mo8pmg7hjptsl2...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 01:25:47 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
><No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>deep wrote in news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
>>> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>>
>>What I can figure out is that prosecutions for Brady violations have
>>been a tiny percentage of actual DQs so how does that work?
>
> How that works varies by state. In Virginia, for example, there were
> 2,999 denials in 2010. They investigated 942 and made 842 arrests. In
> the course of those investigations they also apprehended 65 wanted
> persons.
effort they prosectued a handful of cases? You think this is a wise use of
resources?
signing the damn form.
But hey, let's use your numbers.
Scout
May 9, 2013, 1:45:46 AM5/9/13
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"1,960 murdered in Obama's organized communities"
<Aborti...@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message
news:63ojo8pb4v21fgscm...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 07 May 2013 16:27:45 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>>I told you to prove
>>"The left wing media" was intentionally lying.
>
> Can't you see their lips moving?
>
>>I told you to prove
>>"The left wing media" was intentionally lying.
>
In Dudu's case he simply has to look in a mirror to see a lying liberal.
George Plimpton
May 9, 2013, 2:06:41 AM5/9/13
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> You people are truly mind boggling. A failure in logic virtually
> beyond any comprehension.
control *causes* lower gun crime rates, and you simply can't show it.
It's not there.
>> That clearly means gun control
>>> laws work as intended.
>>
>> But that is not what the data shows. It agrees with the CDC and NAS and
>> doesn't show any repeatable effect.
>>
>> Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
>>> help. More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
>>> believe.
>>
>> Nor will it work as you believe.
>
> It's not perfect, but it works.
lower gun crime rates - absolutely no evidence of it.
George Plimpton
May 9, 2013, 2:08:13 AM5/9/13
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it does.
I think that's it.
Scout
May 9, 2013, 3:11:10 AM5/9/13
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"deep" wrote in message news:n16mo89j3todah81d...@4ax.com...
Wow, that's pretty deep, Dudu.
Did you think of that all by yourself, or did you have help?
BTW have you reported your illegal gun dealing neighbor yet?
Scout
May 9, 2013, 3:13:50 AM5/9/13
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Leaving them free to simply try again or from another source until they get
a gun illegally.
Yea, that certainly sounds like a great plan.
Seems to me that enforcement is more than simply stopping a criminal act,
but also punishing those who were attempting that illegal act.
So I challenge your use of enforcement. They aren't enforcing anything.
a gun illegally.
Yea, that certainly sounds like a great plan.
Seems to me that enforcement is more than simply stopping a criminal act,
but also punishing those who were attempting that illegal act.
So I challenge your use of enforcement. They aren't enforcing anything.
1,962 murdered in Obama's organized communities
May 9, 2013, 5:06:00 AM5/9/13
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On Wed, 8 May 2013 09:59:30 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>LOL...not only will my wife give me head but yours will too.
>
>And she will leave with a SMILE!
...and several virulent STDs...
<too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>LOL...not only will my wife give me head but yours will too.
>
>And she will leave with a SMILE!
...and several virulent STDs...
1,962 murdered in Obama's organized communities
May 9, 2013, 5:15:51 AM5/9/13
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truthfulness.
1,962 murdered in Obama's organized communities
May 9, 2013, 5:17:35 AM5/9/13
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On Wed, 08 May 2013 23:06:41 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
But he ~wants~ it to be true. That's all that really counts for a
good liberal.
good liberal.
Ed Huntress
May 9, 2013, 8:11:38 AM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 04:33:45 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
buying guns? Or to fill up our prisons?
With 3,000 denials and 842 arrests, Virginia is doing a good job of
it, IMO -- at least, that side of it. And picking up 65 wanted persons
along the way ain't bad.
<No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
>news:9o1mo8pmg7hjptsl2...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 9 May 2013 01:25:47 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
>><No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>deep wrote in news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
>>>> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>>>
>>>What I can figure out is that prosecutions for Brady violations have
>>>been a tiny percentage of actual DQs so how does that work?
>>
>> How that works varies by state. In Virginia, for example, there were
>> 2,999 denials in 2010. They investigated 942 and made 842 arrests. In
>> the course of those investigations they also apprehended 65 wanted
>> persons.
>
>So what you're saying for all the millions of dollars and man hours of
>effort they prosectued a handful of cases? You think this is a wise use of
>resources?
Goat, what do you think the objective is here? To stop criminals from
>Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
>news:9o1mo8pmg7hjptsl2...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 9 May 2013 01:25:47 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
>><No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>deep wrote in news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
>>>> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>>>
>>>What I can figure out is that prosecutions for Brady violations have
>>>been a tiny percentage of actual DQs so how does that work?
>>
>> How that works varies by state. In Virginia, for example, there were
>> 2,999 denials in 2010. They investigated 942 and made 842 arrests. In
>> the course of those investigations they also apprehended 65 wanted
>> persons.
>
>So what you're saying for all the millions of dollars and man hours of
>effort they prosectued a handful of cases? You think this is a wise use of
>resources?
buying guns? Or to fill up our prisons?
With 3,000 denials and 842 arrests, Virginia is doing a good job of
it, IMO -- at least, that side of it. And picking up 65 wanted persons
along the way ain't bad.
Ed Huntress
May 9, 2013, 8:19:42 AM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 03:13:50 -0400, "Scout"
Well, 'tell you what, Scout. You go tell your congressman that you
want the federal prosecutors' offices and the federal courts better
funded, so they can take on all those cases. The NICS system is doing
its part- tens of thousands of criminals, nutcases, etc. are being
stupped at the retail level.
Now we'll see if Congress is really serious about wanting to stop gun
crime...oh, right. We just did, a month or so ago...
>
>Yea, that certainly sounds like a great plan.
>
>Seems to me that enforcement is more than simply stopping a criminal act,
>but also punishing those who were attempting that illegal act.
The objective is to stop criminals from buying guns, not to fill up
prisons. If the states followed up, with their extensive systems of
courts and local prosecutors, the way Virginia has, for example, the
prosecution problem would be solved, anyway.
want the federal prosecutors' offices and the federal courts better
funded, so they can take on all those cases. The NICS system is doing
its part- tens of thousands of criminals, nutcases, etc. are being
stupped at the retail level.
Now we'll see if Congress is really serious about wanting to stop gun
crime...oh, right. We just did, a month or so ago...
>
>Yea, that certainly sounds like a great plan.
>
>Seems to me that enforcement is more than simply stopping a criminal act,
>but also punishing those who were attempting that illegal act.
prisons. If the states followed up, with their extensive systems of
courts and local prosecutors, the way Virginia has, for example, the
prosecution problem would be solved, anyway.
dca...@krl.org
May 9, 2013, 8:44:47 AM5/9/13
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On May 8, 11:13 pm, "Scout"
causality "
Dan
<me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> Oh, and FYI "Correlation does not imply causality", keep that in mind as you
> put your evidence together.
>
The corolary to your statement is " No correlation implies no
> Oh, and FYI "Correlation does not imply causality", keep that in mind as you
> put your evidence together.
>
causality "
Dan
deep
May 9, 2013, 9:20:24 AM5/9/13
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On Thu, 9 May 2013 03:11:10 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>"deep" wrote in message news:n16mo89j3todah81d...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 May 2013 23:16:09 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>The places with the strictest "gun laws" have the worst "gun crime".
>>>>
>>>> Only if you're standing on your head. The relationship goes the other
>>>> way around, as anyone with any sense should recognize: The places with
>>>> the worst gun crime enact the strictest gun laws, historically.
>>>
>>>And yet, they remain the places with the worst gun crime.....so maybe laws
>>>aren't the way to solve this problem?
>>>
>> Or maybe they're ineffectual because all somebody needs do is head out
>> of town and drive across the border and load the trunk up full of guns
>> at the first gunshow they get to.
>
>So the law is ineffective because it's so easy to ignore the law?
>
No, because it's not comprehensive. You know what that that means?
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>"deep" wrote in message news:n16mo89j3todah81d...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 May 2013 23:16:09 -0400, "Scout"
>> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>The places with the strictest "gun laws" have the worst "gun crime".
>>>>
>>>> Only if you're standing on your head. The relationship goes the other
>>>> way around, as anyone with any sense should recognize: The places with
>>>> the worst gun crime enact the strictest gun laws, historically.
>>>
>>>And yet, they remain the places with the worst gun crime.....so maybe laws
>>>aren't the way to solve this problem?
>>>
>> Or maybe they're ineffectual because all somebody needs do is head out
>> of town and drive across the border and load the trunk up full of guns
>> at the first gunshow they get to.
>
>So the law is ineffective because it's so easy to ignore the law?
>
Ivan Bodley
May 9, 2013, 9:25:54 AM5/9/13
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> On Thu, 9 May 2013 03:11:10 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> BTW have you reported your illegal gun dealing neighbor yet?
I think his mike went dead.
George Plimpton
May 9, 2013, 10:33:42 AM5/9/13
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leftists forever.
RD Sandman
May 9, 2013, 11:56:49 AM5/9/13
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deep wrote in news:05plo857md4f3m5rb...@4ax.com:
was their statement.
> And maybe while we're at it let's suspend all drivers' and car
> licensing because we're not sure if it prevents fatal car tragedies.
>
No, they don't.
Any failure in
> the law is due to the fact that it's not applied universally nation
> wide, and all someone has to do is drive to the next state and load up
> the trunk and make a ton of cash selling their "private collection".
> Even more incredible than the fact this is happening is that you
> people think it's ok.
--
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman
You can be young without money, but you
can't be old without it.
> Keep repeating that. Maybe someday you'll actually believe your lies.
YOu want to argue that, then go argue with the CDC and NAS, asshole. It
was their statement.
> And maybe while we're at it let's suspend all drivers' and car
> licensing because we're not sure if it prevents fatal car tragedies.
>
> You people are truly mind boggling. A failure in logic virtually
> beyond any comprehension.
> beyond any comprehension.
>> That clearly means gun control
>>> laws work as intended.
>>
>>But that is not what the data shows. It agrees with the CDC and NAS
>>and doesn't show any repeatable effect.
>>
>> Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
>>> help. More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
>>> believe.
>>
>>Nor will it work as you believe.
>
> It's not perfect, but it works. The stats prove it.
>>> laws work as intended.
>>
>>But that is not what the data shows. It agrees with the CDC and NAS
>>and doesn't show any repeatable effect.
>>
>> Maybe not perfect, as usual. But they clearly
>>> help. More will help more, not less as the gunhuggers want us to
>>> believe.
>>
>>Nor will it work as you believe.
>
No, they don't.
Any failure in
> the law is due to the fact that it's not applied universally nation
> wide, and all someone has to do is drive to the next state and load up
> the trunk and make a ton of cash selling their "private collection".
> Even more incredible than the fact this is happening is that you
> people think it's ok.
Sleep well, tonight.....
RD (The Sandman
You can be young without money, but you
can't be old without it.
RD Sandman
May 9, 2013, 12:10:04 PM5/9/13
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Ed Huntress <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote in
news:9o1mo8pmg7hjptsl2...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 9 May 2013 01:25:47 +0000 (UTC), Gray Guest
> <No_email...@wahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>deep wrote in news:ofrio85lnv5qbtujr...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> You said gun violence has been going down since 93. That's when the
>>> Brady Bill was passed. You figure it out.
>>
>>What I can figure out is that prosecutions for Brady violations have
>>been a tiny percentage of actual DQs so how does that work?
>
> How that works varies by state. In Virginia, for example, there were
> 2,999 denials in 2010. They investigated 942 and made 842 arrests. In
> the course of those investigations they also apprehended 65 wanted
> persons.
>
> The number of federal cases that are dropped for "no prosecutive
> merit" is huge. Most never make it to prosecutors' offices. When they
> do, they have to fall within limited guidelines or they aren't
> prosecuted. Remember, all of those cases would have to go through U.S.
> District Courts. There are only 94 of them in the entire United
> States. They limit prosecutions to those they feel are really
> dangerous.
>
> There are not many states that make an all-out effort, and federal
> reseources are very limited.
>
> https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf
have the version of those reports from Frandsen that were submitted to
the DOJ.
> Of course, if you're denied and they don't prosecute or they don't
> find you, no problem. You can still buy from a retail store (7.3%), a
> pawnshop, flea market, or gun show (4.0%), buy or borrow it from a
> friend or family member (36.3%), buy on the street or from a fence
> (32.6%), or, if all else fails, steal it (7.5%). Maybe you "other" it.
> <g> (22.3%).
>
> Anyway, they all come from dealers to begin with, and then find their
> way into the criminal market. In all but a small percentage of those
> cases, the first purchaser was legal -- or appeared to be legal. Then
> he either turned out to be a straw purchaser or left it in his
> nightstand for easy pickings in a burglary.
>
> See? It's not so hard. Not in the US of A, it's not. Hell, in some
> states, you don't even have tell anyone what state you're from or
> whether you're a criminal in order to make a private purchase. Guns
> for all!
>
> http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf
>
> (The last one is a brand new report, just released last week, for
> statistics collectors like RD. <g>)
Ed Huntress
May 9, 2013, 12:13:52 PM5/9/13
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RD Sandman
May 9, 2013, 12:16:28 PM5/9/13
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deep wrote in news:gi8no8lgs270mqorq...@4ax.com:
Hmmmm, you haven't answered this last question yet and you have asked it
several times. Seems that whining about the laws and doing nothing about
a "known" violator makes you a bit of a hypocrite.
several times. Seems that whining about the laws and doing nothing about
a "known" violator makes you a bit of a hypocrite.
deep
May 9, 2013, 2:25:44 PM5/9/13
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On Thu, 09 May 2013 10:56:49 -0500, RD Sandman
Well over 90% of the people in America know you're full of shit and
want more gun control laws. Too bad you can't actually read any of
those statistics you collect.
want more gun control laws. Too bad you can't actually read any of
those statistics you collect.
George Plimpton
May 9, 2013, 3:01:06 PM5/9/13
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been shown to reduce gun crime - they haven't been shown to do that.
Dano
May 9, 2013, 3:11:21 PM5/9/13
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"deep" wrote in message news:gfqno8phjo34t0t3r...@4ax.com...
===============================================
Isn't odd that people will accept so many infringements on their rights in
the name of homeland security...yet we can't even get sufficient
restrictions on the sale of firearms?
Do we want terrorists to have easier access to actual weapons? So moronic.
Isn't odd that people will accept so many infringements on their rights in
the name of homeland security...yet we can't even get sufficient
restrictions on the sale of firearms?
Do we want terrorists to have easier access to actual weapons? So moronic.
George Plimpton
May 9, 2013, 3:19:29 PM5/9/13
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restrictions? In fact, ardent second amendment advocates seem to be the
only ones who seriously oppose all the other intrusions.
Scout
May 9, 2013, 6:11:33 PM5/9/13
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news:6m4no8leuhgdm1okb...@4ax.com...
That's your job. I'm just stating that it makes no sense to have these laws,
much less expand them massively, if you're not going to enforce them.
Particularly it makes no sense to do so when you seem happy with the lack of
enforcement.
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much less expand them massively, if you're not going to enforce them.
Particularly it makes no sense to do so when you seem happy with the lack of
enforcement.
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