Just when you thought car nuts had it all...
Mike Graham
want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
Mike Graham mi...@headwaters.com
Mangler of metal. User of many grinding disks.
Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match.
Zebee Johnstone
Mike Graham <mi...@headwaters.com> wrote:
> I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
>want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
>
> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
They've been around for years.
In the 60s you could buy LPs of bike noises form the Isle of
Man TT.
Mmmm the MV howl!
Zebee
Al
pollution inspection:-) They have been trained not to be confused by the
facts.
It also would help other people to indentify what I drive as a car.
:-)
Mike Graham wrote:
>
> I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
> want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
>
> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
>
Jim Stewart
>
> I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
> want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
>
> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
>
Sounds like a great idea to me! Do they have any two-stroke bike
noises?
-js
--
The Hurdy Gurdy Man
> Sounds like a great idea to me! Do they have any two-stroke bike
> noises?
Sure beats the old school way of doing it... taping playing cards to rub
against the spokes of a bicycle wheel.
(Old school meaning you have to be old to have done that back when you
were in school....)
Bryan
Frank Graham
news:36e1a16a...@news.headwaters.com...
> I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
>want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
>
> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
Back in the 50's, Riverside records released " The Sounds of Sebring" each
year from '56 on. I've been bidding on some of these on E-bay ( good god,
Scott Mooore will be after me!) I'm looking for '61 since my vintage MGA
racer
ran there that year.
--
Frank
< frank...@msn.com >
______________________
mike II
<frank...@email.msn.com> knowing there was a quote coming, wrote:
> I've been bidding on some of these on E-bay ( good god,
>Scott Mooore will be after me!) I'm looking for '61 since my vintage MGA
>racer ran there that year.
>--
>Frank
hey Frank..if you quit spending all your money on eBay, you would have
gotten it running AGAIN in the time since '61...
:-)
mike II
John stevenson
>Mike Graham <mi...@headwaters.com> wrote in message
>news:36e1a16a...@news.headwaters.com...
>> I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
>>want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
>>
>> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
>
>Back in the 50's, Riverside records released " The Sounds of Sebring" each
>year from '56 on. I've been bidding on some of these on E-bay ( good god,
>Scott Mooore will be after me!) I'm looking for '61 since my vintage MGA
>racer
>ran there that year.
Simon and Garfunkell made a record once dedicated to Lucas.
It was called "The sound of silence".
--
Regards,
John Stevenson at
Nottingham, England.
Robert H.Benson
had technology much more advanced than that. In my neighborhood, all
the kids had battery-operated devices, ttached to the handlebars of
our bicycles, that would make motorcycle sounds. You choose from
idle, low throttle, mid throttle, and wide open. We ran wide open
mostly.
On 7 Mar 1999 03:39:30 GMT, The Hurdy Gurdy Man <br...@tep12.ucsd.edu>
wrote:
Mike Graham
>Simon and Garfunkell made a record once dedicated to Lucas.
>It was called "The sound of silence".
Ar ar ar. 8-) That would be good, actually. Sort of like:
car door opens...
the creak of seatsprings as the door shuts again...
the jangle of keys...
the click as the ignition turns from lock to "on"...
"whirwhirwhirwhirrrrwhirrrrr....whirrr........whirrrrrrrrrr......"
<bzzzt>
and the sound of the panicked beating of flames.
Gary Coffman
>Simon and Garfunkell made a record once dedicated to Lucas.
>It was called "The sound of silence".
You must be referring to the line which goes
"Hello darkness my old friend"
BTW, I'm told the reason the English drink warm beer
is Lucas refrigerators.
Gary
Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it |mail to ke...@bellsouth.net
534 Shannon Way | We break it |
Lawrenceville, GA | Guaranteed |
Spehro Pefhany
> Sure beats the old school way of doing it... taping playing cards to rub
> against the spokes of a bicycle wheel.
We had "the Sound of Power, by Marx(sp?)".
--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Spehro Pefhany "The Journey is the reward"
sp...@interlog.com
Fax:(905) 271-9838 (small micro system devt hw/sw + mfg)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
ppierce
>
> Mike Graham wrote:
> >
> > I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
> > want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
> >
> > Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
> >
>
> noises?
At the railway museum in Sacremento I bought a CD of different train
whistles.
Maybe Barnum was right....
--
Paul in AJ AZ, NRA Endowment Member MSC stockholder (150 shares)
Checkout http://www.dejanews.com
also("Dropbox")http://www.metalworking.com
Checkout (MWN)the Metal Web News at: http://www.mindspring.com/~wgray1/
Checkout the FAQ at: http://w3.uwyo.edu/~metal
Don Foreman
in "ethnomusicology" (whatever that is) about what is music? I argued that
it is sound that gives the listener pleasure -- which in some cases
includes the voice of a Harley, the howl of a large outboard on the back of
a fast boat, or the burble burble of a vintage Chris-Craft going under a
bridge.
She did not agree, of course. Daughters are like that.....
Mike Graham <mi...@headwaters.com> wrote in article
<36e1a16a...@news.headwaters.com>...
Mike Graham
>I got into an argument with my daughter, who is taking an advanced degree
>in "ethnomusicology" (whatever that is) about what is music? I argued that
>it is sound that gives the listener pleasure -- which in some cases
>includes the voice of a Harley, the howl of a large outboard on the back of
>a fast boat, or the burble burble of a vintage Chris-Craft going under a
>bridge.
It's not quite that simple. Although people use the term "music to
my ears", anything that is to be considered music must have some kind
of rhythm. A police siren has a recognizable beat and pattern, so it
could, as a stretch, be considered music. That's *my* definition,
anyway. Dictionary definitions tend to push "beauty of form" and
whatnot, which really is in the ears of the behearer, so is highly
subjective. I agree with your definition, but the sound needs to have
an underlying pattern or rhythm, and there should be the *intent* to
produce music. You can hear garbage can lids slamming your entire
life and it's not music, but as soon as the boys and girls of STOMP
get a hold of them, it's music, because they arrange it to a pattern
and they *intend* to make music.
William Dubin
Ask your daughter if she thinks banging on a steel drum is music? Then
ask her if she has ever heard of the composer John Cage, muchless a
large group of modern American composers who use EVERYTHING from
electric can openers to inventing their own instruments.
I heard a great CD one night from a group who produced rythum by jumping
up and down on car hoods.... sounds bizzare, but like the steel drum,
each hood had its own sound.
Wm.
Gunner
I spent many a cold hour on drilling rigs jiving to the sound of the
rotory table going around, and the rhythmic sounds of the running
machinery..... If it swings, is it music?
William Dubin <pha...@home.com> wrote:
---------------------------------------------------------
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write
a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort
the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone,
solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program
a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die
gallantly. Specialization is for insects." Robert Heinlein
Mike Graham
>And lest we forget the premier of them all, Spike Jones.
Spike Jones is certainly one of the first, if not the very first,
but he didn't go *that* far off the deep end; mostly horns and buzzers
and cow-bells (not including the sundry human-produced sounds).
>I spent many a cold hour on drilling rigs jiving to the sound of the
>rotory table going around, and the rhythmic sounds of the running
>machinery..... If it swings, is it music?
I get that way when I help my friend in his wood shop. Normally you
would expect running 2000 board feet of red oak through a thickness
planer endlessly would get kinda stale, but I like the sound; the way
it varies with the wood density, and depth of cut.
Steve Rayner
John stevenson (engi...@btinternet.com) wrote:
: On Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:14:44 -0500, "Frank Graham" <frank...@email.msn.com>
: wrote:
: >Mike Graham <mi...@headwaters.com> wrote in message
: >news:36e1a16a...@news.headwaters.com...
: >> I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
: >>want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
: >>
: >> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
: >
: >Back in the 50's, Riverside records released " The Sounds of Sebring" each
: >year from '56 on. I've been bidding on some of these on E-bay ( good god,
: >Scott Mooore will be after me!) I'm looking for '61 since my vintage MGA
: >racer
: >ran there that year.
: Simon and Garfunkell made a record once dedicated to Lucas.
: It was called "The sound of silence".
: --
: Regards,
: John Stevenson at
: Nottingham, England.
--
I'm a Canadian eh! Steve.
**************************************************************************
The FAQ for rec.crafts.metalworking is at: http://w3.uwyo.edu/~metal
The metalworking drop box is at http://208.213.200.132
**************************************************************************
Visit my website at: http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~ud233/homepage.htm
************* Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito. ****************
******************************** - Virgil ********************************
******Yield thou not to adversity, but press on the more bravely.**********
Steve Rayner
Let her listen to a record of " Blues Theme " from the movie " The Wild
Angels ". The band was called " The Arrows ". The sound of a Harley
being reved is part of the music!
Don Foreman (forem...@htc.honeywell.com) wrote:
: I got into an argument with my daughter, who is taking an advanced degree
: in "ethnomusicology" (whatever that is) about what is music? I argued that
: it is sound that gives the listener pleasure -- which in some cases
: includes the voice of a Harley, the howl of a large outboard on the back of
: a fast boat, or the burble burble of a vintage Chris-Craft going under a
: bridge.
: She did not agree, of course. Daughters are like that.....
: Mike Graham <mi...@headwaters.com> wrote in article
: <36e1a16a...@news.headwaters.com>...
: > I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
: > want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
: >
: > Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
D. Michael McIntyre
<forem...@htc.honeywell.com> wrote:
>I got into an argument with my daughter, who is taking an advanced degree
>in "ethnomusicology" (whatever that is) about what is music? I argued that
>it is sound that gives the listener pleasure -- which in some cases
>includes the voice of a Harley, the howl of a large outboard on the back of
>a fast boat, or the burble burble of a vintage Chris-Craft going under a
>bridge.
>
>She did not agree, of course. Daughters are like that.....
One dictionary says "6. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound
or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines, " so I'd
say the burble of a vintage V-8 qualifies if the listener finds its
sound pleasing.
Hey, I'd rather listen to a CD full of car noises than, say, rap
music. :)
---
D. Michael McIntyre | mmci...@swva.net
James Askew
No such thing as "rap music". It's only noise.
Jim
Bill Newcomb
Mike Graham <mi...@headwaters.com> wrote:
> I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
>want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
>
> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
Not even close. This month's Keyboard magazine had a review of a sound
effects CD entitled "Pull My Finger".
--
nu...@best.com | make: don't know how to make sense. Stop
|
PLAlbrecht
>I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
>want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
>
> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
Guilty as charged. Just sent off the manuscript for a book translation from
German. The book (at least the German original edition) includes a CD of
Porsche 911 engine noises. Every 911 ever made, every engine noise any 911 ever
made ever made...
Now, with some standardization, creativity, and several tens of thousands of
dollars of test gear, you can now tell when your valve clearances need
adjusting...
Pete
PLAlbrecht
You mean, the sound they make right after all the electrics fail?
Or you could have a two-volume boxed set, the other CD would have the sounds of
hammers on anvils, as the village blacksmith cobbles up another Roller...
Or you could sell a CD with the sound of a Chevy Vega rusting...
Eric Wilner
<snip>
: It's not quite that simple. Although people use the term "music to
: my ears", anything that is to be considered music must have some kind
: of rhythm.
... so now the Liebestod from _Tristan und Isolde_ is running through
my head, and I'm trying to spot the rhythm. I suppose it's there, but
one can certainly conceive of music written with melody, harmony, and
no identifiable rhythm whatsoever.
Mike Graham
>... so now the Liebestod from _Tristan und Isolde_ is running through
>my head, and I'm trying to spot the rhythm. I suppose it's there, but
>one can certainly conceive of music written with melody, harmony, and
>no identifiable rhythm whatsoever.
If the music had no identifiable rhythm, then harmony would be
virtually impossible because you couldn't get more than one person to
play it at a time. With no rhythm there is no timing; no way to tell
where to come in and whatnot. Experimental jazz pushes this boundary
continuously.
mike II
knowing there was a quote coming, wrote:
>No such thing as "rap music". It's only noise.
right you are,,,'Rap Music' is an Oxymoron..
but I keep wondering what people without ANY semblence of talent would
do if rap had not been invented.
mike II
Steve Smith
mike II wrote:
The article in last weeks paper described using aversion therapy to cure
habitual loud noise offenders in Fort Lupton, Colorado.
It seems that they take the offenders, sit them on folding chairs, and
play music they hate at loud volumes. They're not allowed to laugh, or
they are held in contempt of court.
The woman who came up with the idea asked her 17 year old son (most of the
offenders are young) what music people his age would hate. Dean Martin,
bagpipes, ...
The program is said to be working wonderfully. One offender said he was
going home and selling his stereo--nothing was worth going through this
again.
Steve Smith
Loveland, Co.
CharlieDIY
>
> The article in last weeks paper described using aversion therapy to cure
>habitual loud noise offenders in Fort Lupton, Colorado.
>
>It seems that they take the offenders, sit them on folding chairs, and
>play music they hate at loud volumes. They're not allowed to laugh, or
>they are held in contempt of court.
>
>The woman who came up with the idea asked her 17 year old son (most of the
>offenders are young) what music people his age would hate. Dean Martin,
>bagpipes, ...
>
>The program is said to be working wonderfully. One offender said he was
>going home and selling his stereo--nothing was worth going through this
>again.
>
>Steve Smith
Read that. Liked that. The only new federal law I'd like to see is one making
it a felony for the stereo in a vehicle to be audible at 25' from the vehicle.
First offense: a year in jail and confiscation of the stereo.
Not the vehicle: most of the clowns with these overfed stereos are driving
vehicles cheaper than mine and I just paid $500 for an '81 Ford Crown Vic.
Awful car in great shape.
Charlie Self
Word Worker
PLAlbrecht
>but I keep wondering what people without ANY semblence of talent would
>do if rap had not been invented.
Somebody once pointed out that [c]rap music is the logical evolution of rock
and roll. If rock is for kids who can't dance, then [c]rap is for kids who
can't sing either.
As for bagpipes being used in aversion therapy -- I have a few bagpipe records,
keep them for just that purpose if the neighbors get unruly. I don't mind the
pipes at all... Having pipes on the stereo of my German-registered car once
helped me get through Her Majesty's Customs in Dover all that much quicker.
Pete
Gary Coffman
>>right you are,,,'Rap Music' is an Oxymoron..
>>but I keep wondering what people without ANY semblence of talent would
>>do if rap had not been invented.
>
>Somebody once pointed out that [c]rap music is the logical evolution of rock
>and roll. If rock is for kids who can't dance, then [c]rap is for kids who
>can't sing either.
Ah, looks like I'll have to come to the defense of these two art forms.
Rock and roll evolved from a marriage of Appalachian folk music
and Mississippi Delta black music. The beat comes from the
Mississippi Delta music, which itself evolved from gospel music.
Lacking drums, delta music had the congregation up on their feet
stomping on the old wooden floors. It formed a human rhythm which
is very compelling (and very sexual). That cadence was adapted in rock
as a heavy drum back beat. The lyrical form comes from Appalachian
music, which itself evolved from English folk ballads. Most roots rock
tells a story. Rock-a-billy is roots rock in its rawest form. More pretentious
new wave music attempts to paint a word picture or create an abstract
mood instead of telling a straight forward story.
Various admixtures of soul and blues are often found in modern rock
music. Soul, like country music, is very formula and predictable, though
it doesn't lean on whiskey, pickup trucks, and dogs the way country does.
Blues is a true original American art form. It draws on the experience of
the poor rural black in America, and speaks powerfully to the basic issues
of existence. It is a very raw, emotional, and powerfully evocative music.
When skillfully married to rock, it can be something really extraordinary.
There are other sub-genres too. Heavy metal and power rock couple an
overwhelming wall of sound production with dark Goth lyrics. White angst
isn't limited to just whiny country music, rock relies heavily on it too, but
puts more guts and power behind it. (Every teenager thinks he invented
angst, and longs for empowerment, so he is drawn to this sort of sound.)
For a while, there was a form called California, or surfer, rock. This was a
lighter genre, revolving around riding the waves and hot cars. It has mostly
faded away with the fading of optimism in America. (Its counterculture
equivalent, psychedelic rock, has similarly faded away with the counterculture.)
It has been replaced by dance. Dance is a mindless urban form whose only
intent is to get you up and moving at the singles clubs. Like that commercial
horror, disco, it has no redeeming features as an art form.
Rap's roots are very different. It is akin to beat poetry. It is spoken verse
set to a rhythmic cadence. The lyrical form is from the street patois of the
urban black community. The beat is industrial (about the only sales of
turntables and vinyl records anymore is to rap musicians). Like beat poetry,
rap is an acquired taste. When coupled to power rock, as when Run DMC
and Aerosmith collaborated, it can be attractive. But as gangsta rap, it can
be appalling, dark, and sadistically violent. It is mostly a music of bitterness,
hopelessness, and pent up rage.
Of course according to Sturgeon's law, 90% of anything is crap. That's
certainly true of music. Much of it is commercial formula dreck with no
artistic value. But every genre has its gems that really speak to the human
soul, even rap. That's what music is supposed to do.
Bill Machrone
roots in the US. Rap has other musical antecedents, too, primarily the
"talking blues" first heard in the 1920s and '30s. Black jazz musicians
contributed scatting and patter to the form, and it melded with the beat
poetry in the '40s and '50s, with be-bop as the prevalent rhythym.
Someone upthread may have mentioned Spike Jones' contributions, too. The
form persisted into the 1960s and 1970s (remember "Alice's
Restaurant?"), where narratives combined with music.
Some of the first rap heard on popular radio (1980s) was white rap, as
in Blondie's "Rapture" (metalworking content!)
Now you're in the man from Mars,
You go out at night eating cars
You eat Cadillacs, Lincolns too
Mercurys and Subaru
And you don't stop
You keep on eating cars
Nobody thought of it as rap at the time, it was just a Warholesque art
song.
Much of the latest rap, at least the non-gangsta stuff, tells kids to be
straight, stay away from drugs, and watch out for sadistic cops. When
they're not moaning over the foxy babe that they can't date because of
her humongous boyfriend.
- Bill
Charles Gallo
Just one question, where does Ska fall in all this, and what
does ska stand for anyway?
Charlie
Mike Graham
Jamican; big in the UK for a while; lots of brass.
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= --
Bill Machrone
beat" sound of reggae. It's a fusion of jazz, soul, and big band music,
and was originally the "sound" of rudeboys, or Jamaican gangsters.
Today, almost anything that's punk with horns or reggae with horns gets
classified as ska.
- Bill
Charles Gallo wrote:
>
> Gary,
> Just one question, where does Ska fall in all this, and what
> does ska stand for anyway?
>
> Charlie
Tom Holt
from Steve Smith <ste...@kotamicro.com> contains these words:
> The article in last weeks paper described using aversion therapy to cure
> habitual loud noise offenders in Fort Lupton, Colorado.
> It seems that they take the offenders, sit them on folding chairs, and
> play music they hate at loud volumes. They're not allowed to laugh, or
> they are held in contempt of court.
> The woman who came up with the idea asked her 17 year old son (most of the
> offenders are young) what music people his age would hate. Dean Martin,
> bagpipes, ...
The words "cruel & unusual", in this context...
mike II
there was a quote coming, wrote:
>As for bagpipes being used in aversion therapy -- I have a few bagpipe records,
>keep them for just that purpose if the neighbors get unruly.
that reminds me of quote by someone..(?)
A true gentleman is one who KNOWS how to play the accordion,
but DOESN'T"
in certain circles there is as much aversion to the 'pipes' as there
is to accordion music...
I always get these visions of the Discovery of the BagPipes...
picture a hot summer's day on the alpine pasture. now picture a dead
goat or sheep in the middle of this hot, sweltering pasture. picture a
BLOATED like a balloon dead goat or sheep in the middle of this hot,
sweltering pasture. Now, imagine the SOUND made as the angry shepherd
jumps on the BLOATED like a balloon dead goat or sheep and all the
compressed gases VENT through UNTUNED apertures....
Now imagine the same shepherd RUNNING home to show Lovely Lady his new
Musical Discovery...well, you get the idea..
mike II
John stevenson
>In rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat, 06 Mar 1999 21:44:14 GMT
>Mike Graham <mi...@headwaters.com> wrote:
>> I just saw a CD. A CD of exhaust noises. Really. Just in case you
>>want to wake up to the sound of a shelby cobra or something...
>>
>> Is it just me, or is this going a bit too far?
>
>They've been around for years.
>
>In the 60s you could buy LPs of bike noises form the Isle of
>Man TT.
>
>Mmmm the MV howl!
>
>Zebee
Thanks guys that jogged a few memories.
Disappeared into the attic and found the LP's in question.
I actually have the two that makes the set up, I only thought i had the one.
Anyway in revenge for having to listen to all this bump bump music my son got
ripped out of bed this morning to the sound of Mike Hailwoods MV going down Bray
hill at full chat.
Revenge is sweet.
The only reason young kids play this bump bump music in their cars with full
bass on is to knock the dents out from the inside.