shooting for the new world's record "maxed-out truck overload"
dave
incidental images:http://machines.2x.nu/ramp_planning_and_incab_winch/
think the frontier's "rated" payload is in the 950 lb range somewhere.
hell, my old mazda B2000 four-banger had a 1400 lb plus payload. LET'S
GET REAL.
I had an old ford courier "way back when" (some decades ago) and i
carried 2500 ls of cast iron machines back here (to florida) from
minnesota with it ('course, I bought six-ply tires and some booster
coil-over shocks while up there, though)
well, I'm at it again, *DEWDS*. 30 some-odd years later now. need to
move this 1700 lb ugly-ash MONSTER of a bandsaw:
http://machines.2x.nu/bandsaw_40_inch_cheap/
it only needs to travel six-tenths of mile from the warehouse its in now
to *my* warehouse. thinkin' the seller will 'lay it over into' the rear
of my truck (they got forklifts) then I can 'play hell' getting it back
OUT of there the ol' fashioned way, back at my shop, using rollaway
floor jacks, cribbing blocks up the ash, ramps, ropes, comealongs, "All
the regular jolly offloading krap"
local rollback guy wants $120. WAY too stiff. paid less than HALF that
for the saw. 'trying to keep it all relative' here' ya know?
*please* no insurance agents, or OSHA inspectors need participate in
this discussion. thanks :-)
alternate idea: make "quick REAL crude" trailer for pulling with my
truck: NO wheels, NO axle, no lights, just the bare frame 'on the
ground', doesn't need to last long, or go far. 'could be quite exciting'
to tow, all 'sparky-lit-up' like, especially at night. yeah, I'd have
the steel 'up a tiny bit' in front, like ski-tips, for good towing ;-)
or, could just use a sheet of plywood, and a rope....with the saw on
top. less sparks, less noise...."almost equally exciting" though
I'm wide open here for alternate ideas (except from safety inspectors,
insurance agents, and OSHA guys)
*thanks* guys
dave
Bob Engelhardt
> ...
> local rollback guy wants $120. WAY too stiff. paid less than HALF that
> for the saw. 'trying to keep it all relative' here' ya know?
Looking back (to what you paid) is irrelevant, it's the "sunk cost
fallacy". The only thing that matters is looking forward: is $120 worth
the considerable savings in your time, effort, and risk of harm to you
& machine, etc.?
I'm a great believer in self reliance & doing thing myself, but I think
I know my limits. Moving 1700 lbs with what you have is beyond them.
YMMV & probably will,
Bob
Pete C.
Have the guy with the forklift drive the thing the 0.6mi for you.
Pete C.
Given that vehicle payload ratings are based on both long term wear as
well as shock loading from bumps, I'd have little concern substantially
"overloading" a truck for a 5mph 0.6 mile non-shock move. The 9xx# rated
load exerts far more than the proposed 1,700# force on the truck when
you hit a bump.
Ecnerwal
dave <tool...@weirdstuffcox.net> wrote:
> alternate idea: make "quick REAL crude" trailer for pulling with my
> truck: NO wheels, NO axle, no lights, just the bare frame 'on the
> ground', doesn't need to last long, or go far. 'could be quite exciting'
> to tow, all 'sparky-lit-up' like, especially at night. yeah, I'd have
> the steel 'up a tiny bit' in front, like ski-tips, for good towing ;-)
Far more than $120 if the deputy happens by. As he or she surely will if
you don't have a flawless, trouble-free quick trip from point A to point
B, and might even if you do, following up on the scars on the road that
lead from A to B. All it takes is one yutz with a cell phone driving by
and they will be on your behind...
> I'm wide open here for alternate ideas
Are any of their forklifts registered, and/or does Florida allow them
on-road with an orange triangle without need of being registered (ala
farm equipment in some states?) Have them roll it on over.
You might see how much weight you can get off it with a wrench set -
taking parts off and moving them separately.
Saving $120 and causing more than $120 damage to your new truck to get a
$50 saw seems like poor economy. But obviously a sort of poor economy
you'll have to experience first-hand to believe in, so go ahead and
overload it till it breaks.
You could get very low-tech and cheap and probably (no guarantees - but
you could ask them) back on the right side of the law and simply run it
on rollers up the side of the road, without the truck. Might take a
while, but you can move damn near anything that way. Removing the motor
vehicle removes most of the ability to break motor vehicle laws.
Or you could rent, make or buy a trailer (with wheels, lights and a
license plate) that can actually haul the load, and would also mean you
didn't need to screw around with ramps to get stuff way up in your
truckbed. Seems like you probably won't.
Not a safety inspector, insurance agent, or OSHA guy, but possessing a
shred of common sense. That shred often saves me a good deal more than
$120.
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Pete C.
Ecnerwal wrote:
>
> In article <nJ0Nm.24929$Zu5....@newsfe24.iad>,
> dave <tool...@weirdstuffcox.net> wrote:
>
> > alternate idea: make "quick REAL crude" trailer for pulling with my
> > truck: NO wheels, NO axle, no lights, just the bare frame 'on the
> > ground', doesn't need to last long, or go far. 'could be quite exciting'
> > to tow, all 'sparky-lit-up' like, especially at night. yeah, I'd have
> > the steel 'up a tiny bit' in front, like ski-tips, for good towing ;-)
>
> Far more than $120 if the deputy happens by. As he or she surely will if
> you don't have a flawless, trouble-free quick trip from point A to point
> B, and might even if you do, following up on the scars on the road that
> lead from A to B. All it takes is one yutz with a cell phone driving by
> and they will be on your behind...
What pray tell would said deputy cite you for when you are traveling the
0.6miles at the minimum legal speed in the right lane in a properly
registered and insured vehicle? There are no legal weight rules for a
non commercial vehicle, and the manufacturers weight rating has no legal
standing on any vehicle, even commercial ones (registered weight rules
there).
RoyJ
disapating capacity of the tires or the heat characteristics of the
wheel bearings. Neither is a factor in this case.
Most machines of this sort have some big chunks that you can easily take
off to reduce the overall weight; the motor and the table alone should
shave a couple hundred pounds. That gets the rest of it down to the "not
too much overload" category. Especially for a slow speed, half mile journey.
But your ramp method of loading and unloading scares me to death. I have
a small tilt trailer, a come along winch (or the big winch on the Jeep)
to load it, rent a bigger trailer as required. Since you don't seem to
have this sort of thing, just pay someone to do it right, buy the proper
equipment as you can afford it.
Ned Simmons
wrote:
Many (most?) states have a catch-all "driving to endanger" statute.
For example, "A person commits a Class E crime if, with criminal
negligence as defined in Title 17-A, that person drives a motor
vehicle in any place in a manner that endangers the property of
another or a person, including the operator or passenger in the motor
vehicle being driven."
I'm not suggesting that the OP's scheme meets that definition -- I'd
probably chance it myself as long as the saw can be loaded to keep
enough weight on the front wheels to steer safely. But I wouldn't want
to have make the argument to a judge.
--
Ned Simmons
Ecnerwal
"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote:
The OP is contemplating dragging a no-wheel, non-registered "quick REAL
crude trailer" (sledge, more like) along the road, as quoted. Unlicensed
vehicle, unregistered vehicle, lack of brake lights, likely something
for damaging the road surface, the list of citations in that case is
long. That is the case the comment I made is directed at - that's why
that section of the original post is quoted directly above that comment.
I guess you read poorly. Or misunderstand deliberately. Whichever.
dave
> The actual load capacity of the truck is usually limited by the heat
happily, it's a non-issue now. the sellers delivered the thing this AM,
with their forklift. six-tenths of a mile journey. I must've worn 'em
down with my nuisance visits to take more photos of it. THANK GOODNESS.
'took bubba here a little while' to get it up on the hilman rollers though.
but it's indoors now, out of the weather, right where it can continue to
receive no offers whatsoever "even lowball" :-/
thanks all you guys :-)
dave
<plug>
curious individuals can see the thing in all it's glory at this location
http://machines.netai.net/bandsaw_40_inch_cheap/
and see the new shots of it at THIS fine location
http://machines.netai.net/bandsaw_newshots/
I'll SWAP this thing too 'dewds' for items on my wants list, or, hey,
for stuff of a similar nature
http://machines.50webs.com/alpha/#wants_list
</plug>
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Looking your list..I probably have 75% of your wish list...shrug
Where is it?
how much in cash do you want?
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone.
I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout"
Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls.
Keyton
Larry Jaques
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> scrawled the following:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:18 -0500, dave <tool...@weirdstuffcox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>RoyJ wrote:
>>> The actual load capacity of the truck is usually limited by the heat
>>> disapating capacity of the tires...
>>
>>happily, it's a non-issue now. the sellers delivered the thing this AM,
>>with their forklift. six-tenths of a mile journey. I must've worn 'em
>>down with my nuisance visits to take more photos of it. THANK GOODNESS.
>>'took bubba here a little while' to get it up on the hilman rollers though.
>>
>>but it's indoors now, out of the weather, right where it can continue to
>>receive no offers whatsoever "even lowball" :-/
>>
>>thanks all you guys :-)
>>
>>dave
>>
>><plug>
>>curious individuals can see the thing in all it's glory at this location
>>http://machines.netai.net/bandsaw_40_inch_cheap/
>>
>>and see the new shots of it at THIS fine location
>>http://machines.netai.net/bandsaw_newshots/
>>
>>I'll SWAP this thing too 'dewds' for items on my wants list, or, hey,
>>for stuff of a similar nature
>>http://machines.50webs.com/alpha/#wants_list
>>
>></plug>
>
>Looking your list..I probably have 75% of your wish list...shrug
>
>Where is it?
Gainsburger, Flowda.
--
When we are planning for posterity,
we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.
-- Thomas Paine
Gunner Asch
Ouch..I dont know anyone going there, or coming from there..damnit
Larry Jaques
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> scrawled the following:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:54:39 -0800, Larry Jaques
><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:24:42 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
>><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> scrawled the following:
>>>Looking your (Dave's) list..I probably have 75% of your wish
>>list...shrug
>Where is it?
>>
>>Gainsburger, Flowda.
>
>Ouch..I dont know anyone going there, or coming from there..damnit
Yeah, bi-coastal sales are definitely the hardest to set up.
--
We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond
with them. -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774
Gunner Asch
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:21:51 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:54:39 -0800, Larry Jaques
>><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:24:42 -0800, the infamous Gunner Asch
>>><gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> scrawled the following:
>
>>>>Looking your (Dave's) list..I probably have 75% of your wish
>>>list...shrug
>
>>Where is it?
>>>
>>>Gainsburger, Flowda.
>>
>>Ouch..I dont know anyone going there, or coming from there..damnit
>
>Yeah, bi-coastal sales are definitely the hardest to set up.
My son, daughter in law and the 2 grand kids just moved to Gainsville.
But I suspect that when my ex comes out to visit them...it wont fit on
the bus. Chuckle...they will be bringing a U-haul full of their stuff
out 1st quarter of next year...but Im not sure about them bring it back
this way.