> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:lho278phijuf8kic17vgle7ntigo2afg3u@4ax.com...
>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>> Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today

>> No you didn't.

> Actually, he was talking to a baggie
>     Funny thing, the actually baggie answered back.

>>>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

>>>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

>>>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>>>> physician
>>>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>>>> comments in
>>>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>>>> Baptist
>>>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>>> Here are his remarks:

>>>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is
>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a
>>>>>>> savior.
>>>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
>>>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining
>>>>>>> christstain
>>>>>>> bullshit snipped]

>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this
>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern.

>>>>> Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the
>>>>> party,
>>>>> they would be the natural governing party.

>>>> That's a crock of shit.

>>> It's not.

>>> It has been this way for more than 40 years.  Kevin Phillips wrote about
>>> it more than 40 years ago.  There are numerous reasons the country, and
>>> the electorate, are turning more conservative.

>> Yeah, it's the dumbing down of America.

> No, it's not.  It's the smartening up of America.  Americans learned
> that the 1960s were the dark ages.  Lyndon Johnson's welfare explosion
> on top of the New Deal, not to mention all the cultural degradation of
> that era, caused Americans to rethink everything, and they turned 180
> degrees away from that mess.

> Additionally, all the population growth has been in sun belt states
> where the Republicans are stronger, and there has been population loss -
> as a percentage, and in some cases even in absolute numbers - in the
> dirty, high-crime, high-ethnic-minority rust belt and northeast, all
> strongholds of Democrats.

> There's one other factor at work.  Conservatives marry and have
> children; leftists do not marry and do not have as many children,
> because they're too self absorbed.  The children of conservatives are
> likely to grow up and have conservative values like their parents.
> Leftists basically are sterilizing themselves.  The result is more
> conservatives relative to leftists.

>>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

>>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

>>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>>> physician
>>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>>> comments in
>>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>>> Baptist
>>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>> Here are his remarks:

>>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies
>>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.
>>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that
>>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
>>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
>>>>>> bullshit snipped]

>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this kind of
>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did
>>>>> last
>>>>> time they tried to govern?

>>>> Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.

>>> No, Bush's deficits were huge.  The Republicans are no better than the
>>> Democrats when it comes to the deficit.  Where they are better is on
>>> getting the government's foot off the neck of business.

>> And the financial crisis was the direct result of government taking it's
>> foot off the neck of business.

> No, it wasn't.  The financial crisis was, as has been proved, the direct
> result of government's foot *ON* the neck of business: CRA and the
> destruction of lending standards to give more loans to unqualified
> Democrat minority borrowers who never should have been house owners.
> That's what caused the crisis.

>>>>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

>>>>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

>>>>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>>>>> physician
>>>>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>>>>> comments in
>>>>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>>>>> Baptist
>>>>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>>>> Here are his remarks:

>>>>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is
>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a
>>>>>>>> savior.
>>>>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
>>>>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining
>>>>>>>> christstain
>>>>>>>> bullshit snipped]

>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting
>>>>>>>> rid of
>>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this
>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern.

>>>>>> Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the
>>>>>> party,
>>>>>> they would be the natural governing party.

>>>>> That's a crock of shit.

>>>> It's not.

>>>> It has been this way for more than 40 years.  Kevin Phillips wrote
>>>> about
>>>> it more than 40 years ago.  There are numerous reasons the country, and
>>>> the electorate, are turning more conservative.

>>> Yeah, it's the dumbing down of America.

>> No, it's not.  It's the smartening up of America.  Americans learned
>> that the 1960s were the dark ages.  Lyndon Johnson's welfare explosion
>> on top of the New Deal, not to mention all the cultural degradation of
>> that era, caused Americans to rethink everything, and they turned 180
>> degrees away from that mess.

>> Additionally, all the population growth has been in sun belt states
>> where the Republicans are stronger, and there has been population loss -
>> as a percentage, and in some cases even in absolute numbers - in the
>> dirty, high-crime, high-ethnic-minority rust belt and northeast, all
>> strongholds of Democrats.

>> There's one other factor at work.  Conservatives marry and have
>> children; leftists do not marry and do not have as many children,
>> because they're too self absorbed.  The children of conservatives are
>> likely to grow up and have conservative values like their parents.
>> Leftists basically are sterilizing themselves.  The result is more
>> conservatives relative to leftists.

> The values of the leftists are void of morals.  They make them up as
> they go according to what feels good at the time.

>>>>> Fair Play <u...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>>>>> It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>>>> candidate.

>>>>> "Non Christian" puts it mildly

>>>>> Mountain Meadows massacre

>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854

>>>> The Massacre of Verden, Bloodbath of Verden, or Bloody Verdict of
>>>> Verden (German Blutgericht von Verden) was a massacre of 4,500 captive
>>>> rebel Saxons in 782. During the Saxon Wars, the Saxons rebelled
>>>> against Charlemagne's invasion and subsequent attempts to Christianize
>>>> them from their native Germanic paganism. The massacre is recorded as
>>>> having occurred in what is now Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany.

>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

>>> Nice try Klaus but 782?

>>> Charlemagne was not the founder of Christianity but an emperor dealing
>>> with rebels.

>>> A far cry from the  modern billion dollar corporation that is
>>> Mormonism founded on such murderous principles as

>>> "a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
>>> caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
>>> judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
>>> better let the matter alone"

>>> "[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>>> if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>>> earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");

>>> A long long way from "turn the other cheek" don't you think?

>> One time Chalemagne had 5,000 people put to the sword because they would
>> not stop their pagan ways. In this example they were using the old
>> method of cremation for disposing of their dead. Charlemagne wanted them
>> to follow the Christian way of burying the dead. When the pagan way was
>> continued he slaughtered 5,000 of them. I don't know if this is the same
>> incident as described above but it shows what kind of people Christians
>> were, which is pretty much like all religious fanatics.

> You're full of shit.  The massacre of Verden describe above *is* the
> same one, and it was *not* because of any following of "pagan ways".
> Once again, you don't know history.

>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this
>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> time they tried to govern?

>>>>> Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.

>>>> No, Bush's deficits were huge.  The Republicans are no better than the
>>>> Democrats when it comes to the deficit.  Where they are better is on
>>>> getting the government's foot off the neck of business.

>>> And the financial crisis was the direct result of government taking it's
>>> foot off the neck of business.

>> No, it wasn't.  The financial crisis was, as has been proved, the direct
>> result of government's foot *ON* the neck of business: CRA and the
>> destruction of lending standards to give more loans to unqualified
>> Democrat minority borrowers who never should have been house owners.
>> That's what caused the crisis.

> Bush and Republicans tried to control Fannie and Freddie but Democrats
> overpowered them.  Thank Barny Frank for the major part of the problem.
>   Bush is to blame for not having Frank killed.

>>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this
>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>> time they tried to govern?

>>>>>> Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.

>>>>> No, Bush's deficits were huge.  The Republicans are no better than the
>>>>> Democrats when it comes to the deficit.  Where they are better is on
>>>>> getting the government's foot off the neck of business.

>>>> And the financial crisis was the direct result of government taking it's
>>>> foot off the neck of business.

>>> No, it wasn't.  The financial crisis was, as has been proved, the direct
>>> result of government's foot *ON* the neck of business: CRA and the
>>> destruction of lending standards to give more loans to unqualified
>>> Democrat minority borrowers who never should have been house owners.
>>> That's what caused the crisis.

>> Bush and Republicans tried to control Fannie and Freddie but Democrats
>> overpowered them.  Thank Barny Frank for the major part of the problem.
>>   Bush is to blame for not having Frank killed.

>Inhaling too many brush fibers for too many years has caused Tom's
>dementia. Too bad, but that's what a dirty environment will do to you.

>Hawke

>> I have to hope for Republican victories at the
>> national level,

> Voting for one but hoping for another to win.

>>>>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

>>>>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

>>>>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>>>>> physician
>>>>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>>>>> comments in
>>>>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>>>>> Baptist
>>>>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>>>> Here are his remarks:

>>>>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is
>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a
>>>>>>>> savior.
>>>>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
>>>>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining
>>>>>>>> christstain
>>>>>>>> bullshit snipped]

>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this
>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern.

>>>>>> Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the
>>>>>> party,
>>>>>> they would be the natural governing party.

>>>>> That's a crock of shit.

>>>> It's not.

>>>> It has been this way for more than 40 years.  Kevin Phillips wrote
>>>> about
>>>> it more than 40 years ago.  There are numerous reasons the country, and
>>>> the electorate, are turning more conservative.

>>> Yeah, it's the dumbing down of America.

>> No, it's not.  It's the smartening up of America.  Americans learned
>> that the 1960s were the dark ages.  Lyndon Johnson's welfare explosion
>> on top of the New Deal, not to mention all the cultural degradation of
>> that era, caused Americans to rethink everything, and they turned 180
>> degrees away from that mess.

>> Additionally, all the population growth has been in sun belt states
>> where the Republicans are stronger, and there has been population loss -
>> as a percentage, and in some cases even in absolute numbers - in the
>> dirty, high-crime, high-ethnic-minority rust belt and northeast, all
>> strongholds of Democrats.

>> There's one other factor at work.  Conservatives marry and have
>> children; leftists do not marry and do not have as many children,
>> because they're too self absorbed.  The children of conservatives are
>> likely to grow up and have conservative values like their parents.
>> Leftists basically are sterilizing themselves.  The result is more
>> conservatives relative to leftists.

> The values of the leftists are void of morals.  They make them up as they
> go according to what feels good at the time.

>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this kind of
>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did last
>>> time they tried to govern?

>>Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.

>The horror....the horror.....

>"Fair Play" <u...@example.com> wrote in message
>news:8n54785s5m302ju4bftfho3689j7b71va0@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
>> <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>On Oct 6, 9:52 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today...says
>>>> he WILL NOT VOTE for Romney because Romney will make Mormonism the
>>>> State Religion if elected....and would vote for Obama to keep America
>>>> a Christian Nation.

>>>> Well I couldn't deny his opinion since Mitt Romney has not said that
>>>> he wouldn't make Mormonism the required religion for Americans.

>>>> Like many subjects, we do not know what stand Flip Flop Mitt has on
>>>> most things.

>>>> But we do know that he gets his orders from Salt Lake City and the
>>>> LDS.

>>>> TMT

>>>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>candidate.

>> "Non Christian" puts it mildly

>Mormons are Christians.

>>> No you didn't.

>> Actually, he was talking to a baggie
>>     Funny thing, the actually baggie answered back.

>Was the baggie full of pot?

> >Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

> >The values of the leftists are void of morals.  They make them up as
> >they go according to what feels good at the time.

> That's why they so desperately need polls. Without polls, they
> wouldn't know what to think, or what to believe in.

> With polls, they can comfortably settle into the "hive-mind" and never
> have to think.

>>>>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

>>>>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

>>>>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>>>>> physician
>>>>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>>>>> comments in
>>>>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>>>>> Baptist
>>>>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>>>> Here are his remarks:

>>>>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is
>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a
>>>>>>>> savior.
>>>>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
>>>>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining
>>>>>>>> christstain
>>>>>>>> bullshit snipped]

>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting
>>>>>>>> rid of
>>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this
>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern.

>>>>>> Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the
>>>>>> party,
>>>>>> they would be the natural governing party.

>>>>> That's a crock of shit.

>>>> It's not.

>>>> It has been this way for more than 40 years.  Kevin Phillips wrote
>>>> about
>>>> it more than 40 years ago.  There are numerous reasons the country, and
>>>> the electorate, are turning more conservative.

>>> Yeah, it's the dumbing down of America.

>> No, it's not.  It's the smartening up of America.  Americans learned
>> that the 1960s were the dark ages.  Lyndon Johnson's welfare explosion
>> on top of the New Deal, not to mention all the cultural degradation of
>> that era, caused Americans to rethink everything, and they turned 180
>> degrees away from that mess.

>> Additionally, all the population growth has been in sun belt states
>> where the Republicans are stronger, and there has been population loss -
>> as a percentage, and in some cases even in absolute numbers - in the
>> dirty, high-crime, high-ethnic-minority rust belt and northeast, all
>> strongholds of Democrats.

>> There's one other factor at work.  Conservatives marry and have
>> children; leftists do not marry and do not have as many children,
>> because they're too self absorbed.  The children of conservatives are
>> likely to grow up and have conservative values like their parents.
>> Leftists basically are sterilizing themselves.  The result is more
>> conservatives relative to leftists.

> The values of the leftists are void of morals.  They make them up as
> they go according to what feels good at the time.

>>>>>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

>>>>>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

>>>>>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>>>>>> physician
>>>>>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee,
>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>>>>>> comments in
>>>>>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>>>>>> Baptist
>>>>>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>>>>> Here are his remarks:

>>>>>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that
>>>>>>>>> stuff I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is
>>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a
>>>>>>>>> savior.
>>>>>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining
>>>>>>>>> christstain
>>>>>>>>> bullshit snipped]

>>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>>>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting
>>>>>>>>> rid of
>>>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this
>>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to
>>>>>>>>> govern.

>>>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern.

>>>>>>> Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the
>>>>>>> party,
>>>>>>> they would be the natural governing party.

>>>>>> That's a crock of shit.

>>>>> It's not.

>>>>> It has been this way for more than 40 years.  Kevin Phillips wrote
>>>>> about
>>>>> it more than 40 years ago.  There are numerous reasons the country,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the electorate, are turning more conservative.

>>>> Yeah, it's the dumbing down of America.

>>> No, it's not.  It's the smartening up of America.  Americans learned
>>> that the 1960s were the dark ages.  Lyndon Johnson's welfare explosion
>>> on top of the New Deal, not to mention all the cultural degradation of
>>> that era, caused Americans to rethink everything, and they turned 180
>>> degrees away from that mess.

>>> Additionally, all the population growth has been in sun belt states
>>> where the Republicans are stronger, and there has been population loss -
>>> as a percentage, and in some cases even in absolute numbers - in the
>>> dirty, high-crime, high-ethnic-minority rust belt and northeast, all
>>> strongholds of Democrats.

>>> There's one other factor at work.  Conservatives marry and have
>>> children; leftists do not marry and do not have as many children,
>>> because they're too self absorbed.  The children of conservatives are
>>> likely to grow up and have conservative values like their parents.
>>> Leftists basically are sterilizing themselves.  The result is more
>>> conservatives relative to leftists.

>> The values of the leftists are void of morals.  They make them up as
>> they go according to what feels good at the time.

> Conservatives are too stupid to know anything about liberals or their
> values.

>>>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

>>>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

>>>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>>>> physician
>>>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>>>> comments in
>>>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>>>> Baptist
>>>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>>> Here are his remarks:

>>>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies
>>>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.
>>>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that
>>>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
>>>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
>>>>>>> bullshit snipped]

>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this kind of
>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern. Didn't you see what they did
>>>>>> last
>>>>>> time they tried to govern?

>>>>> Declining deficits and 5.2% unemployment.

>>>> No, Bush's deficits were huge.  The Republicans are no better than the
>>>> Democrats when it comes to the deficit.  Where they are better is on
>>>> getting the government's foot off the neck of business.

>>> And the financial crisis was the direct result of government taking it's
>>> foot off the neck of business.

>> No, it wasn't.  The financial crisis was, as has been proved, the direct
>> result of government's foot *ON* the neck of business: CRA and the
>> destruction of lending standards to give more loans to unqualified
>> Democrat minority borrowers who never should have been house owners.
>> That's what caused the crisis.

>Bush and Republicans tried to control Fannie and Freddie but Democrats
>overpowered them.  Thank Barny Frank for the major part of the problem.
>  Bush is to blame for not having Frank killed.

> Ha ha ha ha ha!  You fucking idiot.

>>>Fair Play <u...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>>>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>>candidate.

>>>"Non Christian" puts it mildly

>>>Mountain Meadows massacre

>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854

>>The Massacre of Verden, Bloodbath of Verden, or Bloody Verdict of
>>Verden (German Blutgericht von Verden) was a massacre of 4,500 captive
>>rebel Saxons in 782. During the Saxon Wars, the Saxons rebelled
>>against Charlemagne's invasion and subsequent attempts to Christianize
>>them from their native Germanic paganism. The massacre is recorded as
>>having occurred in what is now Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany.

>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

> Then we have the other Verdun...where nearly a million men died in
> less than a year, chopped or choked to death

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7712419.stm

> http://www.wereldoorlog1418.nl/battleverdun/getuigen.htm

> Btw...some original color photographs of the French at Verdun.
> http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Verdun_Color/Verdun_Color_...

> Check em out...color puts a far different face on the times.

>>>Fair Play <u...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:49:45 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>><klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>>Fair Play <u...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>>>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>><klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>Fair Play <u...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>>>>>>>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>>>>>>>candidate.

>>>>>>>"Non Christian" puts it mildly

>>>>>>>Mountain Meadows massacre

>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854

>>>>>>The Massacre of Verden, Bloodbath of Verden, or Bloody Verdict of
>>>>>>Verden (German Blutgericht von Verden) was a massacre of 4,500 captive
>>>>>>rebel Saxons in 782. During the Saxon Wars, the Saxons rebelled
>>>>>>against Charlemagne's invasion and subsequent attempts to Christianize
>>>>>>them from their native Germanic paganism. The massacre is recorded as
>>>>>>having occurred in what is now Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany.

>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

>>>>>Nice try Klaus but 782?

>>>>Christianity is over 2000 years old, you know.  What's the difference
>>>>between going back to 782 or 1840's?

>>>>Hmmmmmmm?

>>>>>Charlemagne was not the founder of Christianity but an emperor dealing
>>>>>with rebels.

>>>>Goal post move!

>>>>>A far cry from the  modern billion dollar corporation that is
>>>>>Mormonism founded on such murderous principles as

>>>>I have some sad news for you. Smith is dead. They haven't murdered any
>>>>settlers in years.

>>>It's the general principle of the theology of "cutting throats " not
>>>the specific instance in question.

>>LOL Ah, it's general principles. I see. And these "general principles
>>are enumerated where?"

>>Are they similar to the general principles of the Old Testament?

>>>>>"a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
>>>>>caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
>>>>>judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
>>>>>better let the matter alone"

>>>>How many plural wife spearings have there been in the last, oh, say,
>>>>twenty years?

>>>Who knows?

>>Well you obviously have no fucking clue.

>and neither do you

>>>Miami:  25.3

>>>New York:  20.9

>>>Seattle 26.2

>>>Salt Lake City:  58.4

>>> No folks, 58.4% is not a misprint!  If living in the most ‘holy’
>>>lands of Salt Lake Valley means being under mighty hand of God, then
>>>why are the statistics showing otherwise?

>>Looks like it is a misprint. SLC isn't listed here
>>http://galleries.forbes.com/gallery/The_Most_Dangerous_U.S._Cities_Fo...

>>Nor here
>>http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-t...

>>So are you intentionally lying, or just so consumed by your hate and
>>fear of Mormons that you'll believe anything anyone tells you?

>>Yet you can't show ANY of the rapists were Mormon. Not a single one.

>>Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>Meanwhile.....

>>http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
>>Lifetime Prevalence of Sexual Violence by Any Perpetrator by State of
>>Residence

>>Utah- Average

>>>>>"[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>>>>>if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>>>>>earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");

>>>>This doctrine is no longer accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of
>>>>Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement

>>>Nevertheless it's what the cult was founded on

>>ROFLMAO

>>No worse than some of the stuff in the Old Testament.

>>Moving on..........

>>>>Hey, if you want to REALLY look like an idiot by picking on the
>>>>Mormons, ask Deep Dudu. He's full of all KINDS of lies about the
>>>>Mormons.

>>>Actually their corporate activities should be of more concern given
>>>they feel poised to take over the world and usher in their prophesies
>>>with a Mormon US President.

>>WHAT prophesies?

>>Give me details.

>>>        If the LDS Church were a U.S. corporation, by revenues it
>>>would rank around the midpoint number 243 on the Fortune 500 list.
>>>(Ibid. p. 127)

>>Good for them. They have their shit together.

>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:lho278phijuf8kic17vgle7ntigo2afg3u@4ax.com...
>>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>>> Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today

>>> No you didn't.

>> Actually, he was talking to a baggie
>>     Funny thing, the actually baggie answered back.

> Was the baggie full of pot?

>>>>>>>>> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

>>>>>>>>> By Matt Pearce
>>>>>>>>> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

>>>>>>>>> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major
>>>>>>>>> underpinnings of
>>>>>>>>> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a
>>>>>>>>> physician
>>>>>>>>> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee,
>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

>>>>>>>>> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the
>>>>>>>>> comments in
>>>>>>>>> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty
>>>>>>>>> Baptist
>>>>>>>>> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

>>>>>>>>> Here are his remarks:

>>>>>>>>> “God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that
>>>>>>>>> stuff I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is
>>>>>>>>> lies
>>>>>>>>> straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a
>>>>>>>>> savior.
>>>>>>>>> There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining
>>>>>>>>> christstain
>>>>>>>>> bullshit snipped]

>>>>>>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>>>>>>>>> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting
>>>>>>>>> rid of
>>>>>>>>> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national
>>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>>> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this
>>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>>> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to
>>>>>>>>> govern.

>>>>>>>> No kidding they aren't fit to govern.

>>>>>>> Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the
>>>>>>> party,
>>>>>>> they would be the natural governing party.

>>>>>> That's a crock of shit.

>>>>> It's not.

>>>>> It has been this way for more than 40 years.  Kevin Phillips wrote
>>>>> about
>>>>> it more than 40 years ago.  There are numerous reasons the country,
>>>>> and
>>>>> the electorate, are turning more conservative.

>>>> Yeah, it's the dumbing down of America.

>>> No, it's not.  It's the smartening up of America.  Americans learned
>>> that the 1960s were the dark ages.  Lyndon Johnson's welfare explosion
>>> on top of the New Deal, not to mention all the cultural degradation of
>>> that era, caused Americans to rethink everything, and they turned 180
>>> degrees away from that mess.

>>> Additionally, all the population growth has been in sun belt states
>>> where the Republicans are stronger, and there has been population loss -
>>> as a percentage, and in some cases even in absolute numbers - in the
>>> dirty, high-crime, high-ethnic-minority rust belt and northeast, all
>>> strongholds of Democrats.

>>> There's one other factor at work.  Conservatives marry and have
>>> children; leftists do not marry and do not have as many children,
>>> because they're too self absorbed.  The children of conservatives are
>>> likely to grow up and have conservative values like their parents.
>>> Leftists basically are sterilizing themselves.  The result is more
>>> conservatives relative to leftists.

>> The values of the leftists are void of morals.  They make them up as
>> they go according to what feels good at the time.

> Conservatives are too stupid to know anything about liberals or their
> values. That's why they have to go to people like Sean Hannity to tell
> them what liberals are like. Does Sean Hannity know anything at all? No
> but stupid conservatives hang on his every word anyway. If you want to
> know what a conservative is look at Sean Hannity. A stupid uneducated
> religious zealot. That's what conservatives are. Is the country turning
> into people like that? No it isn't. They are becoming a smaller minority
> all the time. Only knuckle draggers listen to people like Hannity.

> Hawke

>>> The values of the leftists are void of morals.  They make them up as
>>> they go according to what feels good at the time.

>> Conservatives are too stupid to know anything about liberals or their
>> values. That's why they have to go to people like Sean Hannity to tell
>> them what liberals are like. Does Sean Hannity know anything at all? No
>> but stupid conservatives hang on his every word anyway. If you want to
>> know what a conservative is look at Sean Hannity. A stupid uneducated
>> religious zealot. That's what conservatives are. Is the country turning
>> into people like that? No it isn't. They are becoming a smaller minority
>> all the time. Only knuckle draggers listen to people like Hannity.

>> Hawke

> Who is Sean Hannity and why do you listen to him?