Oddball die wanted

[Gerry]

I am looking for an oddball size dienut-9/16"-28. Can anyone direct me to a source or perhaps someone who will custom make a dienut this size? It will be used for cleaning up existing threads, not cutting new threads. I really do not want to try to make on myself.....

[Cross-Slide]

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:22:56 PM UTC-5, Gerry wrote:
> I am looking for an oddball size dienut-9/16"-28. Can anyone direct me to a source or perhaps someone who will custom make a dienut this size? It will be used for cleaning up existing threads, not cutting new threads. I really do not want to try to make on myself.....

http://www.mscdirect.com/browse/?navid=12106027+4288130142

[Gerry]

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:22:56 PM UTC-5, Gerry wrote:

[Gerry]

On Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:22:56 PM UTC-5, Gerry wrote:

> I am looking for an oddball size dienut-9/16"-28. Can anyone direct me to a source or perhaps someone who will custom make a dienut this size? It will be used for cleaning up existing threads, not cutting new threads. I really do not want to try to make on myself.....

For some reason I cannot reply to Cross-Slide-Thank you, that is just what I need!

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Gerry <gmast...@aol.com> fired this volley in
news:9f38b93b-4720-4de5...@googlegroups.com:

Gerry,
Since you call it a "dienut", and we on the west side of the pond call it
a "die", I presume you're UK?

http://www.tracytools.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=76

Lloyd

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 14:22:56 -0700 (PDT), Gerry <gmast...@aol.com>
wrote:

>I am looking for an oddball size dienut-9/16"-28. Can anyone direct me to a source or perhaps someone who will custom make a dienut this size? It will be used for cleaning up existing threads, not cutting new threads. I really do not want to try to make on myself.....

Try your local gunsmith. It's used on gun barrels. Oh, here ya go.
$26.44, delivered. (hmm, + $15.25 to UK) Google is your friend:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-16-28-Threading-Die-1-1-2-OD-Toolmex-5-807-220-/150989525615

--
The Road to Success...is always under construction.
--anon

[David Billington]

That link shows a split die which is different to a dienut. A dienut is
typically hexagonal and used to clean up existing threads, some here
http://www.avontapdie.co.uk/die-nuts .

[Bob Engelhardt]

On 5/18/2013 5:22 PM, Gerry wrote:
> ...It will be used for cleaning up existing threads, ...

If there is not much cleaning to be done, if the threads don't need to
be real pretty, and if you have a 9/16-28 nut, you can use the nut to
clean them up by using a hacksaw blade to put a few teeth on the nut's
threads. But then, who has a 9/16-28 nut?

Bob

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

David Billington <d...@djbillington.freeserve.co.uk> fired this volley in
news:5198a057$0$1144$5b6a...@news.zen.co.uk:

> That link shows a split die which is different to a dienut. A dienut is
> typically hexagonal and used to clean up existing threads, some here
> http://www.avontapdie.co.uk/die-nuts .

If you read the included text, you'll note they _also_ carry "die-nuts".
(and that's called an "adjustable die"...)

Lloyd

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Bob Engelhardt <bobeng...@comcast.net> fired this volley in
news:knahl...@news1.newsguy.com:

> But then, who has a 9/16-28 nut?

Pretty much any gunsmith worth his salt would have 9/16-28 thread chasing
equipment. I wonder if the op has enough use for it to require buying the
tool, or if a trip to a smith would be more effective.

Lloyd

[Gerry]

The only size close I found at Brownells was 9/16x24. Spent years gunsmithing and never needed a 9/16x28. I rebuild MGB steering columns as a sideline business and some columns use 9/16x28 threads to attach the steering wheel. Often columns come to me with buggered threads from people using a hammer and backed off nut to jar steering wheel off the shaft. I usually have to turn down the first thread or two in order to be able to reuse the old threads. Way too much trouble to set up to pick up the thread and recut in my lathe-less trouble to remove the threaded section of the shaft and replace it with new. So yes, I do have enough need to purchase the proper size die. Thanks to all who responded

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Gerry <gmast...@aol.com> fired this volley in news:b9846ec9-f151-4a6e-
9342-687...@googlegroups.com:

> Spent years gunsmithing and never needed a 9/16x28

common flash-suppressor thread
LS

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 06:31:44 -0700 (PDT), Gerry <gmast...@aol.com>
wrote:

>The only size close I found at Brownells was 9/16x24. Spent years gunsmithing and never needed a 9/16x28. I rebuild MGB steering columns as a sideline business and some columns use 9/16x28 threads to attach the steering wheel. Often columns come to me with buggered threads from people using a hammer and backed off nut to jar steering wheel off the shaft. I usually have to turn down the first thread or two in order to be able to reuse the old threads. Way too much trouble to set up to pick up the thread and recut in my lathe-less trouble to remove the threaded section of the shaft and replace it with new. So yes, I do have enough need to purchase the proper size die. Thanks to all who responded

Actually...its fairly easy to pick up a thread on a lathe,
particularly fine threads. You just have to take out any backlash
while finding the thread.

Gunner

--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
Raid® to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."

[Gerry]

Not easy to pick up thread on these jobs because after years of abuse the threaded ends of these MGB columns are almost never true. Chuck it in my lathe and they wobble too much to be able to recut the threads with a single point tool. The threaded end of the shaft gets bent by people using a hammer beating on the end of the shaft to remove the steering wheel from it's splined shaft and tapered seat. Hence the need of a dienut to clean damaged threads.

[Steve Walker]

On 5/18/2013 17:22, Gerry wrote:
> I am looking for an oddball size dienut-9/16"-28. Can anyone direct me to a source or perhaps someone who will custom make a dienut this size? It will be used for cleaning up existing threads, not cutting new threads. I really do not want to try to make on myself.....
>

Surprised nobody mentioned thread files. Extremely affordable, works
great with a lathe.


--
Steve Walker
Fusi...@frontierbrain.com (remove brain when replying)

[John B.]

But until the relatively recent love affair with the M-16 flash
suppressor's were un-common :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Gunner Asch]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:26:58 -0400, Steve Walker
<fusi...@frontierbrain.com> wrote:

>On 5/18/2013 17:22, Gerry wrote:
>> I am looking for an oddball size dienut-9/16"-28. Can anyone direct me to a source or perhaps someone who will custom make a dienut this size? It will be used for cleaning up existing threads, not cutting new threads. I really do not want to try to make on myself.....
>>
>
>
>Surprised nobody mentioned thread files. Extremely affordable, works
>great with a lathe.

Very true! Ive just never seen a thread file in -28 before. Ive got a
bunch of thread files..both standard and metric..but none in 28 tpi

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> fired this volley in
news:gntip891p3ovvfkrv...@4ax.com:

> Very true! Ive just never seen a thread file in -28 before. Ive got a
> bunch of thread files..both standard and metric..but none in 28 tpi

Snap-on sells a set of three that specifically calls out 28tpi as one of
the 'fit' threads. (9-32tpi, and several metric sizes).

Of course, Snap-on is always pricey, but their tools are always being
dumped by someone in debt and looking for a quick buck.

Lloyd

[Gunner Asch]

Thanks! Ill have to double check my file pitches and if I dont have
one...will have to snag one somewhere. Im pretty sure I
dont....but...need to double check

Gunner

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Thanks! Ill have to double check my file pitches and if I dont have
> one...will have to snag one somewhere. Im pretty sure I
> dont....but...need to double check

Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> fired this volley in
news:btCdne_l26UDUQTM...@earthlink.com:

> Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...

I'm certain that NObody _wants_ too many tools.
Some folks would be inclined to get rid of too many tools.

LLoyd

[Gunner Asch]

ROFLMAO!!!

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 03:11:22 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

Sheesh! I plonked that buttbite years ago. <bTMTeg>

Good thread wander, BTW.

--
If you're trying to take a roomful of people by
surprise, it's a lot easier to hit your targets
if you don't yell going through the door.
-- Lois McMaster Bujold

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 20 May 2013
03:11:22 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

"Needs"? The only time I have too many tools is when I have to
move them.
--
pyotr filipivich
"With Age comes Wisdom. Although more often, Age travels alone."

[Michael A. Terrell]

That's how I got a few of my expensive tools. I got a call, "Come
get this out of my way today, and it's free!"

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 20 May 2013
> 03:11:22 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks! Ill have to double check my file pitches and if I dont have
> >> one...will have to snag one somewhere. Im pretty sure I
> >> dont....but...need to double check
> >
> >
> > Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...
>
> "Needs"? The only time I have too many tools is when I have to
> move them.

Tell me about it. I hauled 17,000 pounds of tools & manuals when I
moved south. Two trips in an overloaded stepvan.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:

>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks! Ill have to double check my file pitches and if I dont have
> >> one...will have to snag one somewhere. Im pretty sure I
> >> dont....but...need to double check
> >
> > Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...
>
> ROFLMAO!!!

We aim to please!

[Michael A. Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 03:11:22 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks! Ill have to double check my file pitches and if I dont have
> >> one...will have to snag one somewhere. Im pretty sure I
> >> dont....but...need to double check
> >
> >
> > Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...
>
> Sheesh! I plonked that buttbite years ago. <bTMTeg>
>
> Good thread wander, BTW.

Too bad Usenet doesn't keep track of how many times someone is kill
filed on a group to determine if they are allowed to access that group.

[Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 03:11:22 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

That can be taken several different ways, depending if you are
referring to Too Many Tools as a personal pronoun or a general
statement on Stuff... (ISWYDT.)

Let's re-phrase that as "Most people don't need multiple duplicates or
mass quantities of unusual tools that only need to be used one at a
time."

Now having spares of special tools that can break on you during use,
can't be substituted around, and have a weeks-long lead time to get a
new one, yes.

But having a dozen 4" angle grinders or sparkplug thread chasers is
pointless. When it breaks, just go down to the Borg and get another.

--<< Bruce >>--

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 20 May 2013

13:43:21 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Tools, books, supplies ... I've a quarter ton of fire brick I've
schlepped from place to place - always intending to do something with
them "soon".

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

The problem is the trolls that nym shift with such regularity.
Like the mental case that uses the names from my Facebook friends list
on a rotating basis. Ive had to go through my Facebook page and set
up a killfile here and enter each name.

Ive showed time and again his various incarnations.

He will not die well. No siree!

<VBG>

[Gunner Asch]

My shop is filled with such tools. I purely couldnt afford 25% of all
that I have, if I had to pay cash for them.

[Gunner Asch]

Assuming you have a regular and sufficient income, and not one that
comes in spurts between dry spells. When you have spurts..you snag
what you can..because the dry spells mean you dont buy anything.

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Tools, books, supplies ... I've a quarter ton of fire brick I've
> schlepped from place to place - always intending to do something with
> them "soon".

It would make a nice pit to burn expired trolls in.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >

> > Too bad Usenet doesn't keep track of how many times someone is kill
> >filed on a group to determine if they are allowed to access that group.
>
> The problem is the trolls that nym shift with such regularity.
> Like the mental case that uses the names from my Facebook friends list
> on a rotating basis. Ive had to go through my Facebook page and set
> up a killfile here and enter each name.
>

> I've shown time and again his various incarnations.

>
> He will not die well. No siree!
>
> <VBG>

A lot of them post from fixed IP addresses. It's simple to route
those posts to 127.0.0.0.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:42:02 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:
> >>
> >> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> fired this volley in
> >> news:btCdne_l26UDUQTM...@earthlink.com:
> >>
> >> > Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...
> >>
> >> I'm certain that NObody _wants_ too many tools.
> >> Some folks would be inclined to get rid of too many tools.
> >
> >
> > That's how I got a few of my expensive tools. I got a call, "Come
> >get this out of my way today, and it's free!"
>
> My shop is filled with such tools. I purely couldnt afford 25% of all
> that I have, if I had to pay cash for them.

One man's trash is another man's paycheck. :)

[Michael A. Terrell]

"Bruce L. Bergman (munged human readable)" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2013 03:11:22 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks! Ill have to double check my file pitches and if I dont have
> >> one...will have to snag one somewhere. Im pretty sure I
> >> dont....but...need to double check
> >
> >
> > Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...
>
> That can be taken several different ways, depending if you are
> referring to Too Many Tools as a personal pronoun or a general
> statement on Stuff... (ISWYDT.)

That would be an 'Impersonal pronoun', wouldn't it? Heaven forbid
that anyone try to elevate a worthless troll to that of a 'Person'.

> Let's re-phrase that as "Most people don't need multiple duplicates or
> mass quantities of unusual tools that only need to be used one at a
> time."

What? Five identical soldering irons are overkill? Or just good
planning by having a different tip in each iron? ;-)

> Now having spares of special tools that can break on you during use,
> can't be substituted around, and have a weeks-long lead time to get a
> new one, yes.

Working spares are cheap insurance. Who wants to spend $10 on
gasoline, to find a single drill bit that sells for $10?

[Steve Walker]

Pun intended? <G>

[Gunner Asch]

Which is why I forward the header information to those keeping the
List. That fixed IP is what is gonna kill them.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:25:53 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 20 May 2013 17:05:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Too bad Usenet doesn't keep track of how many times someone is kill
>>> >filed on a group to determine if they are allowed to access that group.
>>>
>>> The problem is the trolls that nym shift with such regularity.
>>> Like the mental case that uses the names from my Facebook friends list
>>> on a rotating basis. Ive had to go through my Facebook page and set
>>> up a killfile here and enter each name.
>>>
>>> I've shown time and again his various incarnations.
>>>
>>> He will not die well. No siree!
>>>
>>> <VBG>
>>
>>
>>
>> A lot of them post from fixed IP addresses. It's simple to route
>>those posts to 127.0.0.0.
>
>Which is why I forward the header information to those keeping the
>List. That fixed IP is what is gonna kill them.

You said that MY header info was going to get me killed... about 2
years ago! If you can't get me or TMT then what good are your "bounty
hunting" skills, clown.

[Michael A. Terrell]

Steve Walker wrote:
>
> On 5/20/2013 03:11, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > Gunner Asch wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks! Ill have to double check my file pitches and if I dont have
> >> one...will have to snag one somewhere. Im pretty sure I
> >> dont....but...need to double check
> >
> >
> > Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...
> >
>
> Pun intended? <G>

Maybe. Or it may have been sarcasm. ;-)

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 20 May 2013

17:03:04 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

I have, a swamp ...

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 20 May 2013 13:16:29 -0700

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:42:02 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:
>>>
>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> fired this volley in
>>> news:btCdne_l26UDUQTM...@earthlink.com:
>>>
>>> > Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...
>>>
>>> I'm certain that NObody _wants_ too many tools.
>>> Some folks would be inclined to get rid of too many tools.
>>
>>
>> That's how I got a few of my expensive tools. I got a call, "Come
>>get this out of my way today, and it's free!"
>
>My shop is filled with such tools. I purely couldnt afford 25% of all
>that I have, if I had to pay cash for them.

I'm having to come up with an inventory of the tool bag for an
insurance claim. "Cost?" Um ... it just showed up one day.

[Gunner Asch]

Check MSC and Ebay and quote it retail. They dont ask what you paid
for it..but only what its replacement cost is.

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 20 May 2013
> 17:03:04 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >
> >pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>
> >> Tools, books, supplies ... I've a quarter ton of fire brick I've
> >> schlepped from place to place - always intending to do something with
> >> them "soon".
> >
> >
> > It would make a nice pit to burn expired trolls in.
>
> I have, a swamp ...

I have a bigger swamp. It covers a big part of Florida. Tourist go
in, but they don't come out. The fools think they can feed & play with
real gators, and lose every time. :(

[Larry Jaques]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:45:40 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

Wouldn't that be nice?


Wandering-
Metal related banter: Well, I saw the inside of an ER yesterday (and
today.) A pristine (used) Chiwanese pruning saw blade decided to jump
the cut, careen off a hovering branch, and embed itself a foot away,
into the top of my left hand. I lucked out, though. The kitchen
faucet washed out all of the debris but I found that the skin was too
far open to butterfly properly and I bit the bullet and hit the
Immediate Care place. They wanted $192-298 just to walk in, plus
whatever a tetanus shot, irrigation kit, and suture kit cost, plus
$100/stitch, and they wanted it all RIGHT NOW!

The other option was the "make payments" route. It was a 6+ hour
ordeal, but I came out with 5 shiny new stitches, a slightly used
stainless trauma kit, and an unknown cost. (I guess they send Guido
over to negotiate with us non-rich folks. I dunno.)

I curse myself for not taking my chainsaw along or having gloves on.
Either would have precluded the accident. <sigh>
2 pics: http://tinyurl.com/kclmhy3 after initial cleanup and clotting
http://tinyurl.com/m5zzo27 the next morning, after the ER visit.

[Leon Fisk]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:48 -0700
Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

<snip>

>The other option was the "make payments" route. It was a 6+ hour
>ordeal, but I came out with 5 shiny new stitches, a slightly used
>stainless trauma kit, and an unknown cost. (I guess they send Guido
>over to negotiate with us non-rich folks. I dunno.)

I bashed my index finger with a hammer really bad last fall while
re-roofing. It felt and looked really bad... Lone Ranger project and I
was only a third done or so. Washed, bandaged, back at it. I couldn't
feel the tip of it anymore. Had to hold nails with my second finger,
which slowed me down a little. Damn 1 inch roofing nails making hitting
your fingers real easy...

If you don't mind, I'd be curious to hear what the final bill comes to.
The numbers you posted just boggle my mind. Unless your picture is
hiding something, I don't even consider going in for something like
that. Email me if you don't want to post it here. I just don't go to the
doctor for anything. Dealing with all the stupid paperwork, unknown
cost for everything, whether they will even see you without having
insurance... is more traumatic than whatever my problem is.

Best of luck with your oopsie.

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email

[Gunner Asch]

You paid to have that fixed???? Blink blink

Must be nice to be rich.

Gunner

--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.

RaidŽ to a cockroach.

[Phil Kangas]

"Leon Fisk" <lf...@no.spam.iserv.net> wrote in
message news:kngh3l$23v$1...@dont-email.me...

You're self pay? Then you are being charged the
maximum
known as the 'chargemaster rate' . Do a web search
for it.

[whoyakidding's ghost]

And as someone who's vehemently against healthcare reform, and who has
time to waste in this newsgroup but doesn't have insurance, he
deserves to pay whatever they feel like billing him. Pay being a
relative term in his case. He might make payments on the repair of his
booboo, but if anything serious happens to him it will be on the
taxpayers' nickel, just like his hero Gunner.

[John B. slocomb]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:26:33 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:48 -0700, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>

< snipped >

>>
>>I curse myself for not taking my chainsaw along or having gloves on.
>>Either would have precluded the accident. <sigh>
>>2 pics: http://tinyurl.com/kclmhy3 after initial cleanup and clotting
>>http://tinyurl.com/m5zzo27 the next morning, after the ER visit.
>
>
>You paid to have that fixed???? Blink blink
>
>Must be nice to be rich.
>
>Gunner

No! No! You obviously do not understand. It was a wound; the skin was
damaged; blood was dripping. Prehaps without a visit to the emergency
Clinic he would have died.

Or he could have painted it with Iodine and put a bandaid on it :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Michael A. Terrell]

A couple things to consider:

1. Become a plumber. :)

2: Stay out of those expensive places. :(

3: Don't take up chain saw juggling, you can't afford it. ;-)

4: It will heal much faster than this:
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/materrell/8777739794/>

[Gunner Asch]

Around here...we would have taken out a bottle of betadyne, irrigated
it really well, then irrigated it with betadene (dyne?) and then wipe
it externally dry, stick on 3 butterflies to draw it closed and then
a gauze pad over it with maybe..a wooden splint in the wrapping
securing the two fingers for a few days until the wound started
healing at the bottom and gets a good start. If you are in a
"infective" area...fill the hole with neosporin from the 99c store.

Check it in a day or two after that, wash it out again , betadyne it
again, wrap it with gauze for another couple days, check again, then
gauze it until the gauze falls off...or wear a good clean cotton glove
to keep it from banging into things too hard. Tylenol as needed.

If you keep the splint in there...the meat will grow tightly and the
hand will be so stiff for months..it will be nearly useless until you
work with it enough (and under great pain) to get additional meat to
fill out the pressure points.

May not be comfy for a while..but it works. Been there..done that many
times. Same with the wife, kid and critters. Critters I have to
shave and dont use betadyne or neosporin.

Or he could have put in some of his own stitches. Been there, done
that..but it is much better if you have a neighbor willing to sew.

Gunner




--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.

Raid� to a cockroach.

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:26:33 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

If I didn't use my hands to make a living, I might have tried to
simply butterfly it, but the gap scared me. I saw tendons and the
synovial cap over my index finger joint as the saw was sliding off the
skin of my hand. It's no big deal on someone else, but it's scary when
you see your own insides. That generally indicates something is very
wrong, KWIM,V?

I've successfully butterflied deep meat wounds, but nothing where the
skin was floating, such as the skin over my hand.

>Must be nice to be rich.

Har! Hell, Gunner, you make more money than I do annually. I's a po
white chile.

Oddly enough, I still haven't been contacted by their financial staff.
It'll be a scary moment, but it'll work into a low monthly payment.

Well, until I become rich and famous with the Green Monster...

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 18:08:14 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Wed, 22 May 2013 06:40:23 +0700, John B. slocomb
><johnbs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 21 May 2013 13:26:33 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 21 May 2013 11:11:48 -0700, Larry Jaques
>>><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>>>
>>< snipped >
>>>>
>>>>I curse myself for not taking my chainsaw along or having gloves on.
>>>>Either would have precluded the accident. <sigh>
>>>>2 pics: http://tinyurl.com/kclmhy3 after initial cleanup and clotting
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/m5zzo27 the next morning, after the ER visit.
>>>
>>>
>>>You paid to have that fixed???? Blink blink
>>>
>>>Must be nice to be rich.
>>>
>>>Gunner
>>
>>
>>No! No! You obviously do not understand. It was a wound; the skin was
>>damaged; blood was dripping. Prehaps without a visit to the emergency
>>Clinic he would have died.

Hah! I'm no stranger to my own blood, but most of my deep wounds had
been on meaty parts, like fingertips, arms, and legs. I cut halfway
through my thumb and thumbnail once, with the carving knife stopping
at the bone. I irrigated, betadined, and butterflied that puppy and
it was like new in 2 weeks. In fact, I was laughing when I showed it
to Mom. It was her stew meat I was cutting at the time.

>>Or he could have painted it with Iodine and put a bandaid on it :-)
>
>Around here...we would have taken out a bottle of betadyne, irrigated
>it really well, then irrigated it with betadene (dyne?) and then wipe
>it externally dry, stick on 3 butterflies to draw it closed and then
>a gauze pad over it with maybe..a wooden splint in the wrapping
>securing the two fingers for a few days until the wound started
>healing at the bottom and gets a good start. If you are in a
>"infective" area...fill the hole with neosporin from the 99c store.
>
>Check it in a day or two after that, wash it out again , betadyne it
>again, wrap it with gauze for another couple days, check again, then
>gauze it until the gauze falls off...or wear a good clean cotton glove
>to keep it from banging into things too hard. Tylenol as needed.
>
>If you keep the splint in there...the meat will grow tightly and the
>hand will be so stiff for months..it will be nearly useless until you
>work with it enough (and under great pain) to get additional meat to
>fill out the pressure points.
>
>May not be comfy for a while..but it works. Been there..done that many
>times. Same with the wife, kid and critters. Critters I have to
>shave and dont use betadyne or neosporin.
>
>Or he could have put in some of his own stitches. Been there, done
>that..but it is much better if you have a neighbor willing to sew.

I have sutures, the tools for it, but not the will. Not yet. Not until
the cull starts or Obama takes (or allows illegals or terrorists to)
the nation down. I'm ready, but not that ready yet. <g>

P.S: Skin is tougher than I thought. I saw him fight the brand new
sharp through he stuff. Oh, I don't have liquid lido, either. Only
the 4% cream used by tattooists.

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:21:00 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

Learn to love working in shit all day? Pass.

>2: Stay out of those expensive places. :(

That's my first trip since my appendix at age 19, I think.

>3: Don't take up chain saw juggling, you can't afford it. ;-)

Amen.

>4: It will heal much faster than this:
><http://www.flickr.com/photos/materrell/8777739794/>

Whassamatta wit you leggo, Mikey? Ouch. Kick the neighbor girl?

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:06:00 -0700, Larry Jaques

Been there..done that. My hands look like they have gone through a
grinder. I repair machinery in machine shops remember...sharp edges
and filed with razor sharp chips. The scars run up to my elbow. Its
rare that Im not bleeding somewhere..what with the blood thinners.

Shrug

>
>I've successfully butterflied deep meat wounds, but nothing where the
>skin was floating, such as the skin over my hand.

Practice makes perfect!

>
>
>>Must be nice to be rich.
>
>Har! Hell, Gunner, you make more money than I do annually. I's a po
>white chile.

Feeding 9 people are you?

>
>Oddly enough, I still haven't been contacted by their financial staff.
>It'll be a scary moment, but it'll work into a low monthly payment.
>
>Well, until I become rich and famous with the Green Monster...

If I become rich..Idaho sounds like a nice place to live.

--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.

Raid® to a cockroach.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:19:59 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>>>
>>> I curse myself for not taking my chainsaw along or having gloves on.
>>> Either would have precluded the accident. <sigh>
>>> 2 pics: http://tinyurl.com/kclmhy3 after initial cleanup and clotting
>>> http://tinyurl.com/m5zzo27 the next morning, after the ER visit.
>>
>>
>> A couple things to consider:
>>
>>1. Become a plumber. :)
>
>Learn to love working in shit all day? Pass.
>
>
>>2: Stay out of those expensive places. :(
>
>That's my first trip since my appendix at age 19, I think.

Count your blessings!!.

Nekked..I look like a patchwork doll with all the scar tissue.

Fortunately Im seldom nekked in the sun...so most of it blends in. Get
a tan going..and I look like a jigsaw puzzle.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:17:01 -0700, Larry Jaques
<lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:

>>
>>Or he could have put in some of his own stitches. Been there, done
>>that..but it is much better if you have a neighbor willing to sew.
>
>I have sutures, the tools for it, but not the will. Not yet. Not until
>the cull starts or Obama takes (or allows illegals or terrorists to)
>the nation down. I'm ready, but not that ready yet. <g>
>
>P.S: Skin is tougher than I thought. I saw him fight the brand new
>sharp through he stuff. Oh, I don't have liquid lido, either. Only
>the 4% cream used by tattooists.

No meditation in your life? Learn to do it properly..and you can sew
yourself up easily (mentally). Just make sure you have the properly
sterile tools. The first one isnt bad. The second stitch is the
worst. After that..its doable.

[pyotr filipivich]

Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Tue, 21 May 2013
21:17:01 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>P.S: Skin is tougher than I thought. I saw him fight the brand new
>sharp through he stuff. Oh, I don't have liquid lido, either. Only
>the 4% cream used by tattooists.

Dad cut his hand open Christmas day, with his new pocket knife.
Shows the wound to Mom, she says "Show your Father" He says, "that's
serious, get your coat." (My grandparents were farm kids.)
Dad said it was because he ran a newspaper route in Worcester Mass
in the winter, his hand was tough enough that the Doc broke needle
sewing him up. I'll take him at his word.

[George Plimpton]

On 5/21/2013 11:39 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Tue, 21 May 2013
> 21:17:01 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>> P.S: Skin is tougher than I thought. I saw him fight the brand new
>> sharp through he stuff. Oh, I don't have liquid lido, either. Only
>> the 4% cream used by tattooists.
>
> Dad cut his hand open Christmas day, with his new pocket knife.
> Shows the wound to Mom, she says "Show your Father" He says, "that's
> serious, get your coat." (My grandparents were farm kids.)
> Dad said it was because he ran a newspaper route in Worcester Mass
> in the winter, his hand was tough enough that the Doc broke needle
> sewing him up. I'll take him at his word.

It's bullshit. But you would lap it up.

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Tue, 21 May 2013
10:05:59 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Mon, 20 May 2013
>> 17:03:04 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>> >
>> >pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Tools, books, supplies ... I've a quarter ton of fire brick I've
>> >> schlepped from place to place - always intending to do something with
>> >> them "soon".
>> >
>> >
>> > It would make a nice pit to burn expired trolls in.
>>
>> I have, a swamp ...
>
> I have a bigger swamp.

Maybe so, but it is my swamp. A little thing, not quite big enough
to qualify as a Wetland(tm,pat pend), and the low spot where all the
septic fields drain to. Bwahahahahahahahahahaaha! Ha!

>It covers a big part of Florida. Tourist go
>in, but they don't come out. The fools think they can feed & play with
>real gators, and lose every time. :(

[Michael A. Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >

> > A couple things to consider:
> >
> >1. Become a plumber. :)
>
> Learn to love working in shit all day? Pass.

Not all plumbers play in the sewers. Some play with live steam that
can cut them in half, but they get huge paychecks.

> >2: Stay out of those expensive places. :(
>
> That's my first trip since my appendix at age 19, I think.
>
> >3: Don't take up chain saw juggling, you can't afford it. ;-)
>
> Amen.
>
> >4: It will heal much faster than this:
> ><http://www.flickr.com/photos/materrell/8777739794/>
>
> Whassamatta wit you leggo, Mikey? Ouch. Kick the neighbor girl?

You didn't read the description with the photo. That wound is over
five years old, and still not healed. It was caused by an incompetent VA
doctor. Both legs are covered with scar tissue, and the skin is so thin
that a bandaid will peel off what little there is left.

[Michael A. Terrell]

pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:

> >
> >pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>
> >> I have, a swamp ...
> >
> > I have a bigger swamp.
>
> Maybe so, but it is my swamp. A little thing, not quite big enough
> to qualify as a Wetland(tm,pat pend), and the low spot where all the
> septic fields drain to. Bwahahahahahahahahahaaha! Ha!

You're sick. I like that in people, as long as they can control it.
;-)

Dollar Tree had some of those foam can holders yesterday that said,
"You say PSYCHO like there's something wrong with it"

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:11:34 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:17:01 -0700, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Or he could have put in some of his own stitches. Been there, done
>>>that..but it is much better if you have a neighbor willing to sew.
>>
>>I have sutures, the tools for it, but not the will. Not yet. Not until
>>the cull starts or Obama takes (or allows illegals or terrorists to)
>>the nation down. I'm ready, but not that ready yet. <g>
>>
>>P.S: Skin is tougher than I thought. I saw him fight the brand new
>>sharp through he stuff. Oh, I don't have liquid lido, either. Only
>>the 4% cream used by tattooists.
>
>No meditation in your life? Learn to do it properly..and you can sew
>yourself up easily (mentally).

Yes, I truly _must_ work on getting back to that point. I've let
worry over material things (and politics) destroy my peaceful state of
mind.

>Just make sure you have the properly
>sterile tools. The first one isnt bad. The second stitch is the
>worst. After that..its doable.

Really? I'd have thought you'd go into SHOCK from the first one and
it would have settled you down enough to take the second stitch with
ease. Not so? ;) But you're right, it takes a definite mindset to
do it. The more meditative, the better.

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 23:39:12 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> on Tue, 21 May 2013
>21:17:01 -0700 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>>
>>P.S: Skin is tougher than I thought. I saw him fight the brand new
>>sharp through he stuff. Oh, I don't have liquid lido, either. Only
>>the 4% cream used by tattooists.
>
> Dad cut his hand open Christmas day, with his new pocket knife.
>Shows the wound to Mom, she says "Show your Father" He says, "that's
>serious, get your coat." (My grandparents were farm kids.)
> Dad said it was because he ran a newspaper route in Worcester Mass
>in the winter, his hand was tough enough that the Doc broke needle
>sewing him up. I'll take him at his word.

Yeah, I'm sure the palm of a working man's hand is much thicker and
tougher than the back. I'll have to remember to soak the wound for 20
minutes prior to stitching it up. Butterfly and dunk, as it were.

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:07:06 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

No, I'm a bit smarter. <g> I hope at least some of you/them are
accepting foodstamps from the gov't. If not, go do it. Who do you
think you are, the gov't? Sheesh, taking in all those freeloaders...
REAL family takes on at least some of the load. You might mention it.

Feeding 9 people makes me remember Phoenix in 1972. I had rented a 4
bedroom section of a 12 room 1920s mansion on Adams. 3 families had
been living here, but when I moved in, I got 3 roommates. Anyway, the
lady with the family upstairs in back loved to cook and was receiving
the gov't "cheese" food boxes. The rest of us chipped in veggies and
meat, then she whipped up a lot of real nice home-cooked meals for us
with her butter, cheese, taters, and pastas. It worked out well for
all of us. Nowadays, a food stamp credit card covers a whole lot more
territory, practically anything edible, including really bad junk
food. If nothing else, you'd all eat like kings in your cramped
space.

>>Oddly enough, I still haven't been contacted by their financial staff.
>>It'll be a scary moment, but it'll work into a low monthly payment.
>>
>>Well, until I become rich and famous with the Green Monster...
>
>If I become rich..Idaho sounds like a nice place to live.

If it weren't so damned cold up there, I might agree and bump up and
over one state. But you've been down that frigid road, haven't you,
Ollie, livin' up north?

[Larry Jaques]

On Tue, 21 May 2013 22:09:50 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 21 May 2013 21:19:59 -0700, Larry Jaques
><lja...@invalid.diversifycomm.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> I curse myself for not taking my chainsaw along or having gloves on.
>>>> Either would have precluded the accident. <sigh>
>>>> 2 pics: http://tinyurl.com/kclmhy3 after initial cleanup and clotting
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/m5zzo27 the next morning, after the ER visit.
>>>
>>>
>>> A couple things to consider:
>>>
>>>1. Become a plumber. :)
>>
>>Learn to love working in shit all day? Pass.
>>
>>
>>>2: Stay out of those expensive places. :(
>>
>>That's my first trip since my appendix at age 19, I think.
>
>Count your blessings!!.

Oh, I most certainly do!

> Nekked..I look like a patchwork doll with all the scar tissue.

My legs, hands, and arms do, too. And I have stitches over and
through both eyebrows from skydiving out of my crib as a wee lad.
I was the opposite of a cat. I landed on my head, every time. ;)
(Yes, that could explain some things, couldn't it?)

>Fortunately Im seldom nekked in the sun...so most of it blends in. Get
>a tan going..and I look like a jigsaw puzzle.

But it gets the girls, right? "Oh, tell me about this one!" she
cries. "OK, afterward." you wisely reply.

--
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight
very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands.
It hopes we've learned something from yesterday.
-- John Wayne

[Larry Jaques]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 05:19:45 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >
>> > A couple things to consider:
>> >
>> >1. Become a plumber. :)
>>
>> Learn to love working in shit all day? Pass.
>
>
> Not all plumbers play in the sewers. Some play with live steam that
>can cut them in half, but they get huge paychecks.

Which half gets the check?

>> >2: Stay out of those expensive places. :(
>>
>> That's my first trip since my appendix at age 19, I think.
>>
>> >3: Don't take up chain saw juggling, you can't afford it. ;-)
>>
>> Amen.
>>
>> >4: It will heal much faster than this:
>> ><http://www.flickr.com/photos/materrell/8777739794/>
>>
>> Whassamatta wit you leggo, Mikey? Ouch. Kick the neighbor girl?
>
>
> You didn't read the description with the photo. That wound is over
>five years old, and still not healed.

I did, but it wasn't nearly descriptive enough. It was a teaser
caption, not an in-depth description. Care to try again?

>It was caused by an incompetent VA
>doctor. Both legs are covered with scar tissue, and the skin is so thin
>that a bandaid will peel off what little there is left.

Oy, vay! Condolences. Reason for skinny skin? I haven't heard that
being one of the downsides of diabetes. Is it?

[Michael A. Terrell]

Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 05:19:45 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >Larry Jaques wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A couple things to consider:
> >> >
> >> >1. Become a plumber. :)
> >>
> >> Learn to love working in shit all day? Pass.
> >
> >
> > Not all plumbers play in the sewers. Some play with live steam that
> >can cut them in half, but they get huge paychecks.
>
> Which half gets the check?

Their heirs. :(

> >> >2: Stay out of those expensive places. :(
> >>
> >> That's my first trip since my appendix at age 19, I think.
> >>
> >> >3: Don't take up chain saw juggling, you can't afford it. ;-)
> >>
> >> Amen.
> >>
> >> >4: It will heal much faster than this:
> >> ><http://www.flickr.com/photos/materrell/8777739794/>
> >>
> >> Whassamatta wit you leggo, Mikey? Ouch. Kick the neighbor girl?
> >
> >
> > You didn't read the description with the photo. That wound is over
> >five years old, and still not healed.
>
> I did, but it wasn't nearly descriptive enough. It was a teaser
> caption, not an in-depth description. Care to try again?
>
> >It was caused by an incompetent VA
> >doctor. Both legs are covered with scar tissue, and the skin is so thin
> >that a bandaid will peel off what little there is left.
>
> Oy, vay! Condolences. Reason for skinny skin? I haven't heard that
> being one of the downsides of diabetes. Is it?

It's typical of scar tissue. The wound closes, but with less layers
of skin. That's why that area is red, compared to the surrounding
flesh. The first pressure sore appeared at the site of an old wound
that had become infected and scarred while healing.

[Larry Jaques]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:09:55 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"

War wound?

>The wound closes, but with less layers
>of skin. That's why that area is red, compared to the surrounding
>flesh. The first pressure sore appeared at the site of an old wound

Pressure sore? I thought that was your shin.

>that had become infected and scarred while healing.

Why did he let it get infected? Is that why you called him
incompetent?

[pyotr filipivich]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Wed, 22 May 2013
05:24:35 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Ah well, being crazy isn't what it used to be.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Tue, 21 May 2013 03:55:33 -0700

typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>On Tue, 21 May 2013 02:13:00 -0700, pyotr filipivich
><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 20 May 2013 13:16:29 -0700

>>typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

>>>On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:42:02 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>><mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote:
>>>>> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> fired this volley:>>>>>

>>>>> > Make sure you do double check, since no one needs too many tools...
>>>>>

>>>>> I'm certain that NObody _wants_ too many tools.
>>>>> Some folks would be inclined to get rid of too many tools.
>>>>
>>>> That's how I got a few of my expensive tools. I got a call, "Come
>>>>get this out of my way today, and it's free!"
>>>
>>>My shop is filled with such tools. I purely couldnt afford 25% of all
>>>that I have, if I had to pay cash for them.
>>
>> I'm having to come up with an inventory of the tool bag for an
>>insurance claim. "Cost?" Um ... it just showed up one day.
>
>Check MSC and Ebay and quote it retail. They dont ask what you paid
>for it..but only what its replacement cost is.

I plan to do something like that. But "where did I get this" was
part and parcel of any task.
As was "Do I have the whatsit for this, and if so, when/where did
I get it?"
Sigh ... them days are gone.