OT: Why Obama has no birth certificate!
Rich Grise
Cheers!
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
Hawke
AS usual a day late and a dollar short. I guess you didn't see Michele
Bachmann today being interviewed by George Stephanopolus. If you had you
would have seen him present her with a copy of Obama's birth notice,
which is the legal document in Hawaii everyone gets when one is born.
Her comment upon seeing this was to the effect that this puts the
question about Obama's birth to rest once and for all and it was time to
get on to more important things.
Now that you know Michele Bachmann, who is a big shot in the Tea Party,
and has seen proof of Obama's birth, what is your excuse going to be to
keep pretending Obama was not born in the U.S.?
Hawke
Beryl
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> Cheers!
> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
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"Beryl" <fo...@rd.net> wrote in message
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OMG, Bush eats pussy. What next?
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
Why does the pussy shirk questions then?
Like when the fucking criminal asswipe was asked about Ayers. He was a
sitting Senator, so he was under oath, but the criminal bastard answered
that he didn't even know him. That is perjury.
He is so dirty, and his roots are so dirty, I am surprised that the
dumbfucks that voted for the idiot are still clinging to the failed
fucktard.
He will indeed go down as the worst President this nation ever had.
Bill Sloman
<UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:08:27 -0700, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 4/20/2011 9:42 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
>
> >AS usual a day late and a dollar short. I guess you didn't see Michele
> >Bachmann today being interviewed by George Stephanopolus. If you had you
> >would have seen him present her with a copy of Obama's birth notice,
> >which is the legal document in Hawaii everyone gets when one is born.
> >Her comment upon seeing this was to the effect that this puts the
> >question about Obama's birth to rest once and for all and it was time to
> >get on to more important things.
>
> >Now that you know Michele Bachmann, who is a big shot in the Tea Party,
> >and has seen proof of Obama's birth, what is your excuse going to be to
> >keep pretending Obama was not born in the U.S.?
>
> >Hawke
>
> Why does the pussy shirk questions then?
>
> Like when the fucking criminal asswipe was asked about Ayers. He was a
> sitting Senator, so he was under oath, but the criminal bastard answered
> that he didn't even know him. That is perjury.
It would have been, if that was what he'd said. No newspaper article
that I could find has claimed that Obama denied knowing Ayers - merely
that they weren't anything more than casual acquaintances.
You need to cite exactly what Obama said - as opposed to what you
would have liked him to have said - if you want to have some faint
hope of being taken seriously.
<snipped the usual frothing at the mouth>
> He will indeed go down as the worst President this nation ever had.
Fat chance. George W. Bush Jnr did more than enough to guarantee that
he'll hold that particular award for quite a while yet. If the idiots
who think like you prove to be numerous enough to elect Sarah Palin to
the office, she might give Dubbya a run for his money, but that does
seem to be unlikely.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Hawke
Sorry but George Bush, the guy you wanted in the White House, has that
title.
But thanks for the information. Now I know what you guys are going to do
when faced with the fact Obama was born in Hawaii. You're just going to
change the subject and accuse him of a bunch of other "crimes" of which
you also haven't a shred of proof.
Seeing how you people roll on things like this it should answer your
question why Obama doesn't answer your questions. It's obvious, you're
never satisfied. The minute he answers one you just move on to something
else and act like what you just made a big deal about was nothing. So
he's just being smart not wasting time on you folks.
Hawke
Josepi
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Rich Grise
> "Rich Grise" wrote in message news:ioocjt$2o1$1...@dont-email.me...
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> What does Darwinism say about O'Bama?
Safety in Numbers.
And there is no apostrophe in Obama.
And don't top-post:
http://idallen.com/topposting.html
Thanks,
Rich
Josepi
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>Josepi top-posted:
>> "Rich Grise" wrote in message news:ioocjt$2o1$1...@dont-email.me...
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>> What does Darwinism say about O'Bama?
>
>Safety in Numbers.
>
>And there is no apostrophe in Obama.
What? He's not Irish?
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>Sorry but George Bush, the guy you wanted in the White House, has that
>title.
You're an idiot.
The proof? He didn't even run idiot. The guy "I wanted in the white
house" hasn't made his appearance yet.
Your presumptuous stupidity is noted, however.
Did you join a clueless bitch club in your high school, little boy?
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>But thanks for the information.
You are too retarded to know what the word information means, boy.
> Now I know what you guys are going to do
I think your aptitude and your IQ is far too low for you to know
anything about anything.
>when faced with the fact Obama was born in Hawaii. You're just going to
>change the subject and accuse him of a bunch of other "crimes" of which
>you also haven't a shred of proof.
I never said a goddamned thing about Obama's birth, you retarded,
presumptuous fuck.
As far as "other crimes" are concerned, he was on the news when he
replied to the Ayers question and lied. That is perjury, as he was a
sitting Senator, under oath at all times.
You couldn't be any more uninformed, and a guess as you go little dumb
bitch too. Goddamned young democrats are what has ruined the fabric of
this nation. ALL of you greedy bastards should be lined up against a
wall and shot. Your greed is what has caused the problems we now have,
and then the Obama retard came in behind and pilfered the entire coffer!
You couldn't be any more retarded.
David R. Birch
>> He will indeed go down as the worst President this nation ever had.
>
> Sorry but George Bush, the guy you wanted in the White House, has that
> title.
Such a short memory1 Have you already forgotten Nixon?
His evil beats GWB's mediocrity any day. And GWB isn't even a close
third after Clinton.
David
David R. Birch
> Get a decent newsreader.
A decent newsreader wouldn't allow top posting. Or are you mistaking
Outhouse Distress for a decent newsreader?
David
PrecisionmachinisT
"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:09:29 -0700, Hawke <davesm...@digitalpath.net>
> wrote:
>
> As far as "other crimes" are concerned, he was on the news when he
> replied to the Ayers question and lied.
Cites please.
> That is perjury, as he was a
> sitting Senator, under oath at all times.
>
> You couldn't be any more uninformed, and a guess as you go little dumb
> bitch too.
ABC News' George Stephanopoulos, April 16: An early organizing meeting for
your state senate campaign was held at his house, and your campaign has said
you are friendly. Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and
explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?
Obama: George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about.
This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English
in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement
from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who
engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow
reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George.
Sen. Hillary Clinton then said, "I also believe that Senator Obama served on
a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation," and
predicted that "this is an issue that certainly Republicans will be
raising."
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
Yes. One of my favorite statements in history is by R. M. Nixon.
"Don't confuse me with the facts..." -R. M. Nixon.
Hilarious, that one is.
Still, the Obama idiot is an order of magnitude worse than any
president we ever had, and he thoroughly proves that all the education in
the world does not make one a competent leader.
Then, there are all the "follow the flock" idiots around WITH horses
blinders on, absolutely unable to see the mess this idiot has foisted
upon the American people.
UltimatePatriot
<precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English
>in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement
>from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
See, fucktard? He chaired Ayers' foundation, dumbass.
He fucking lied and played off his association with him, because he
KNEW that Ayers' past would be a thorn in his election possibilities, if
not even kill them.
He fucking lied, and you're a goddamned idiot to think that the elusion
was not intentional.
Hawke
So far you've proven you're good at name calling but not at anything
else. You don't know what you're talking about either. You're wrong
about everything you have said. So you're batting 1000 as a right
winger. Nice job.
For your information, if you know what that even is, senators are not
under oath at all times. Democrats did not put us in the mess we're in
either. That was Bush and the republican congress that did that. The
problem is that you are too ill informed and too lacking in facts to
even make coherent statements. Nothing you have said is anything but
nonsense, gibberish really. Try again. I doubt you could do any worse.
Hawke
UltimatePatriot
<precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
> And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who
>engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow
>reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George.
He also said that he did not remember the incidents, because he "was
only 8 years old at the time..." I collected scrap books back then on
the Viet Nam War. I watched the news. I remember "a bomber".
I too was only eight.
SO how does a dumb, cigarette smoking retard, who is incapable of
preventing gangs in his own town, get to spend our nation's money all
willy-nilly like a goddamned idiot, despite having the education he must
have gotten out on the porch having a cigarette?
The answer: Most of America is filled with dumb fucks that can't see
past their crotch to facilitate wiping their ass.
You want to solve gangs? Go after the PARENTS.
You want to fix race issues? Turn each race vertically as it relates
to income (not including criminals), segregated from each other. The
folks at the top (of each race) are responsible for the dolts at the
bottom (AND the criminals).
Until THAT gets fixed, we will always have race issues, and tribal
mentalities, AND complacent, do nothing PIGS, in a nation that CLAIMS to
be civil.
Full of Larkinesque idiots that have never been affected by tragedy or
crime, who are absolutely clueless about it until it actually happens to
them. You are beyond a sheep with horse blinders on, you went and
fashioned yourself some human blinders.
Same problem in schools. You want to give kids back their education?
Keep them away from their older siblings and classmates.
Hold PARENTS responsible for their kids' behaviors.
Some parents are fucking gang members too. So lame.
And to think they gave 'Snoop Dog' his own TV show ABOUT PARENTING.
So he could raise little gang boy retards, just like daddy. And all
these young idiots fall for all this 'modern' stupidity.
Characterless little bastards surround me. It is just like "Firesign
Theater" said it would be.
Guv Bob
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UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>For your information, if you know what that even is, senators are not
>under oath at all times.
You are full of shit.
All of them are, and so are Congresspersons.
So are every active duty service member.
You are an absolute idiot.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
> Democrats did not put us in the mess we're in
>either. That was Bush and the republican congress that did that.
Bwuahahahahahahaha!
You have proven that you know NOTHING about government.
Bill Sloman
<UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:23:11 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>
>
> > This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English
> >in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement
> >from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
Your claim was that he denied knowing him - which is obviously wrong
> See, fucktard? He chaired Ayers' foundation, dumbass.
So what? You need to provide more information than that if you want to
claim that they did - in fact - "exchange ideas from time to time".
Your problem is that you are very dim right-winger who doesn't know
what words means, and thinks that anybody who doesn't share hus
comical delusions is stupid, when they are actually well-informed, a
status that you might be able to aspire to, if you knew what the words
meant.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Iarnrod
<UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:08:27 -0700, Hawke <davesmith...@digitalpath.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 4/20/2011 9:42 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
>
> >> Cheers!
> >> Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
>
> >AS usual a day late and a dollar short. I guess you didn't see Michele
> >Bachmann today being interviewed by George Stephanopolus. If you had you
> >would have seen him present her with a copy of Obama'sbirthnotice,
> >which is the legal document in Hawaii everyone gets when one is born.
> >Her comment upon seeing this was to the effect that this puts the
> >get on to more important things.
>
> >Now that you know Michele Bachmann, who is a big shot in the Tea Party,
> >keep pretending Obama was not born in the U.S.?
>
> >Hawke
>
> Why does the pussy shirk questions then?
>
> Like when the fucking criminal asswipe was asked about Ayers. He was a
> sitting Senator, so he was under oath, but the criminal bastard answered
> that he didn't even know him. That is perjury.
>
> He is so dirty, and his roots are so dirty, I am surprised that the
> dumbfucks that voted for the idiot are still clinging to the failed
> fucktard.
>
> He will indeed go down as the worst President this nation ever had.
That was AWOL.
PrecisionmachinisT
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:23:11 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English
>>in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official
>>endorsement
>>from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
>
> See, fucktard? He chaired Ayers' foundation, dumbass.
>
You fucking imbecile there are no 'lies' in the above...
His response was quite clear--he knows Ayers, and he knows that Ayers lives
in his neighborhood, and that he is a professor of English...
Are you saying that Obama had in fact recieved an official endorsement from
Ayers ?
Or that he, at that point in time, regularily exchanged ideas with Ayers ?
> He fucking lied and played off his association with him, because he
> KNEW that Ayers' past would be a thorn in his election possibilities, if
> not even kill them.
Actually, he told the truth, seting the record straight
--because he knew that if he hadn't, Mccain would have continued distorting
the issue to the point where it might have seriously damaged his campaign.
>
> He fucking lied,
You are a delusional fool.
> and you're a goddamned idiot
Only in the paranoid schizo fantasy world which only exists in your pea
brain.
> to think
Something you are apparently incapable of.
> that the elusion was not intentional.
--
Hawke
You really need some help. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that
taking an oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution means those
people are under oath to tell the truth at all times? Because if you
think that you're confused. There is a difference between a legal oath
to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, that one
takes in court and the oath of office that people in congress take upon
winning an election.
Whatever your problem is you need to get some facts before making
statements. Not only that, you need to shut your piehole when calling
people idiots when you just showed yourself to be a massive one.
Hawke
Tom Del Rosso
>
> AS usual a day late and a dollar short. I guess you didn't see Michele
> Bachmann today being interviewed by George Stephanopolus. If you had
> you would have seen him present her with a copy of Obama's birth
> is born.
They would have found it in less than 3 years if they had rushed to Hawaii
to look for it, the way hordes of news people rushed to Alaska to
investigate possible corruption there.
I always thought it was just as important that he went to school in
Indonesia, which explains why he doesn't understand basic concepts of
American philosophy like not bowing to royalty.
--
Reply in group, but if emailing add one more
zero, and remove the last word.
Rich Grise
>
> I always thought it was just as important that he went to school in
> Indonesia, which explains why he doesn't understand basic concepts of
> American philosophy like not bowing to royalty.
>
This is, of course, why he needs to be taken down from the position of
power as soon as is physically practicable.
Thanks,
Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
Rich Grise
>
> You really need some help. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that
> taking an oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution means those
> people are under oath to tell the truth at all times?
Of course it does.. I find it hard to believe that there's any human in
America who thinks that there's a possibility that taking an oath _doesn't_
require you to tell the truth.
You need some kind of medical attention.
Thanks,
Rich
UltimatePatriot
<precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
>news:dt12r6lret8s207p6...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:23:11 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English
>>>in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official
>>>endorsement
>>>from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
>>
>> See, fucktard? He chaired Ayers' foundation, dumbass.
>>
>
>You fucking imbecile there are no 'lies' in the above...
You're a goddamned idiot.
You probably machine things out of spec all the time, if it isn't the
computer doing the work.
I made a piezo stack that can turn a square peg from a shaft nib
sticking out of the lathe chuck.
It operates from 20 to 20k Hz and can cut an optical grade surface with
no backlash without any further surface processing.
It is used to cut the molds for contact lenses for thoroughbred horses.
They are about an inch in diameter..
I am miles ahead of a little grunt boy like you.
>His response was quite clear--he knows Ayers, and he knows that Ayers lives
>in his neighborhood, and that he is a professor of English...
He was in deep with Ayers, and was the chairman of his foundation, and
also knew the entire time that he was a bomber - a TERRORIST. What he
did was shirk the question, but a dumbfuck like you is going to have to
go look that one up.
>Are you saying that Obama had in fact recieved an official endorsement from
>Ayers ?
No, dumbfuck. Only party line retards like you talk about where money
comes from.
I am talking about an asshole that cohorts with a terrorist and retards
like you ignored his severe character flaws and voted for the dipshit
anyway,. and you STILL linger with your abject loyalty, even though it is
being shown that the fucktard doesn't know his ass from a hole in the
ground and has seriously fucked up the very fabric of this nation.
But then, so have dumbfuck follow the flock sheep like you.
>Or that he, at that point in time, regularily exchanged ideas with Ayers ?
>
Yes, idiot. He regularly exchanged ideas with a 100% bona-fide
ANTI-American terrorist asshole! How can you be so goddamned stupid?
>> He fucking lied and played off his association with him, because he
>> KNEW that Ayers' past would be a thorn in his election possibilities, if
>> not even kill them.
>
>Actually, he told the truth, seting the record straight
No, he did not.
The dork also talked about college kids paying back their loans "the
way he did..." The dirty bastard paid his back with money from that
foundation. You know... that meaningless foundation.
>--because he knew that if he hadn't,
He feigned the truth about and still does to this day, declaring that
"he was only 8 years old and did not remember anything from then"
> Mccain would have continued distorting
You are the distortion, jackass.
>the issue to the point where it might have seriously damaged his campaign.
If you were any more retarded, a'd swear that you were Keith Williams.
>> He fucking lied,
>
>You are a delusional fool.
You were looking in the mirror when you wrote that.
He lied and he continues to lie every time he is asked about it. Wanna
bet?
>> and you're a goddamned idiot
>
>Only in the paranoid schizo fantasy world which only exists in your pea
>brain.
My fingernail clippings have more on the ball than a twit like you
does.
>> to think
>
>Something you are apparently incapable of.
You are as mature as a freshly laid turd.
You prove that numerical age does not make one an adult. I'd say that
you'll likely never advance beyond a 13 year old mentality, however. You
are what we call "Hard wired stupid".
>> that the elusion was not intentional.
I also do watch making, so you'll never approach my knowledge of the
physical realm either, loser boy.
I grew up in Cincinnati, home of GE's jet engine facility, and
Cincinnati Milacron, what was once the most advanced machine tool
manufacturing company in the world.
Then Japan came along.
Still, I knew more about precision machining at Obama's magical 8 years
old than you do today.
I was 8 then too. I remember a bomber, and I did NOT live right down
the street from the retarded bastard.
I also happen to know how many years back this nation's problems go,
and your blaming everything on Bush is a real tell about how little you
know about what is going on in the world.
You are a rough cut loser, at best.
I have seen 0.001" fluted shank drill bits... (world's record, held by
a Russian machine tool company.) They sent it to the folks at the
Milacron as a kind of brag. Cincinnati Milacron sent it back to them with
a hole drilled into the shaft. ;-) That was back in the early '70s.
Now, IF you had any brains, you would know how to appreciate that.
Somehow, I keep hearing the helicopters though. I'd say it went right
over your head.
The finest finish you ever cut? Yeah, sure... I'll bet you let CNC do
all the work. How many crashes have you pulled? You probably have
broken hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment. Me? None.
Can you take a stainless cut off and make a jeweler's quality ring from
it? You ever hand polish anything?
Naah... you are one of those do nothing dorks that barely gets the yard
work done.
You are one of those twits that has an wreck in a car, and calls it an
accident. It is an accident they ever gave you a license.
So, yeah. You're toast on both politics AND machining, punk. And very
likely just about anything else.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
> Because if you
>think that you're confused.
You are confused.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
> that one
>takes in court and the oath of office that people in congress take upon
>winning an election.
You ain't real bright, are ya, boy?
>Whatever your problem is
You ain't real bright at all. You are, in fact, an utter fucking
idiot.
It very much so means they do not get to feign truth. Not ever.
Youare a characterless ditz, so you wouldn't even know.
You are like the dopes that empty their ashtray out their car door.
> you need to get some facts
You do not understand what the word "facts" means. Obviously. You
think our leader gets to give us anything but the facts. You could not
be more wrong.
> before making
>statements. Not only that, you need to shut your piehole when calling
>people idiots when you just showed yourself to be a massive one.
You are the idiot that said there is no such requisite.
I am telling you there is.
Do you want to bet? You *will* lose. You already have... twice.
What fucking retarded school taught you otherwise? Or are you one of
those 'learnt by ear' jackasses? GTFUCYMMWTU!
Grow the fuck up, Chuck. You make me want to upchuck!
Idiots like you give men a bad name all over the world.
Piehole? You are a pussy too! Jeez, I could take you out with a weak
fart! Are you 'representative' of a democrat dipshit?
Jeez, I can't wait till we get a third party in place to muzzle all of
you idiots and your dumbfuck overspending ideas.
Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
UltimatePatriot
Thank you.
m II
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 19:05:21 -0700, UltimatePatriot wrote:
> I made a piezo stack that can turn a square peg from a shaft nib
> sticking out of the lathe chuck.
> It operates from 20 to 20k Hz and can cut an optical grade surface with
> no backlash without any further surface processing.
> It is used to cut the molds for contact lenses for thoroughbred
> horses.
> I am miles ahead of a little grunt boy like you.
> I also do watch making, so you'll never approach my knowledge of the
> physical realm either, loser boy.
Ho Hum.
*I* make contact lenses AND wrist watches for fruit flies. Left or right
handed and self winding.
At first, getting them to cooperate for the prescriptions was a bit
problematic. Tiny eye charts with a selection of decreasing sized yummy
rotting fruits finally solved the problem. We rewarded the baby flies
with a little drop of pectin if they were well behaved.
The Mom flies seemed to like that.
We're now working on the type of fly
you are quite familiar with. It seems they've been spreading disease
once they leave your basement room. My assignment is to manufacture
little rubber gloves and booties for them. The Chinese already make
them, but they're 60 percent lead content.
mike
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Robert Baer
In today's Friday Digest, we again court disaster by returning to a very
sore subject –
the state of our government's finances and the risks we face as our "End
of America"
scenario unfortunately unfolds with scary precision...
Just as the massive inflation that began in the spring of 2009 begins to
drive up
consumer prices, a Justice Department task force is formed to
investigate the rapidly
rising price of gasoline – a favorite whipping boy of the political class.
Says the Associated Press: "The Justice Department will try to 'root
out' cases of fraud
or manipulation in oil markets." The timing is perfect. The government,
like a lazy hound
dog, knows when to show up at the kitchen door. It's feeding time, gents.
But do you think the Justice Department will announce a thorough
investigation into the
activities of the Federal Reserve? Nope. Do you think they will bother
to explain to the
American people how the Federal government used all its powers and
trillions of dollars
in new money to save Wall Street's biggest banks, to bail out highly
leveraged insurance
companies, and to prop up our country's automakers? No, no, and no. Do
you think anyone
will explain how, by creating trillions in new money and credit, the
government gave
commodity speculators a risk-free one-way bet – practically forcing them
to build up
massive speculative positions? Absolutely not.
Instead, the boys (and girls) at Justice will round up the usual
suspects – small-time
oil traders and market makers. It's all their fault, don't you know?
You have far better things to do with your time than parse the comments
of our august
chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, Ben Bernanke. As such, you might
not recall that
last summer, on August 27, at a private meeting of central bankers in
Jackson Hole,
Wyoming, he announced the Federal Reserve would resume buying U.S.
Treasury bonds in
large amounts – amounts equal to roughly 70% of all U.S. Treasury
issuance. This has
allowed the Federal government to fund nearly all its deficit spending
and the growing
costs of financing its enormous debts, with its own paper currency.
In not so many words, our Federal Reserve chairman was telling our
creditors: Go pound
sand. We will never pay you back in sound money, you stupid, pitiful
fools...
The following table makes the point...
Total return since
August 27, 2010 Global Asset
140.4% Silver
92.5% Blackstone – Wall Street Casino
75.1% Corn
56.9% Las Vegas Sands – Nevada Casino
39.0% Crude Oil
38.2% Russell 2000 Index (Broad Stock Market)
36.3% CRB Commodities Index
35.8% Coal
35.1% Soybeans
31.8% Nasdaq
30.1% Copper
27.2% S&P 500 (Large-Cap Stocks)
25.2% Dow Jones Average (Large-Cap Stocks)
21.1% Gold
18.3% Financial Sector SPDR Fund (Big Banks)
13.9% Annaly Capital Management
5.6% Producer Price Index
2.3% Consumer Price Index
-2.2% Investment Grade Corporate Bond Fund
-2.6% 10-Year U.S. Treasury Bond Total Return
-10.6% U.S. Dollar Index
Within 10 percentage points of the change in crude oil, you'll find
almost all
commodities (the CRB index), almost all stocks, almost all U.S. energy
(coal), almost all
food (soybeans), and the world's most ubiquitous industrial metal: copper.
"Why not order the Justice Department to investigate these markets,
too?" we ask (with
sarcasm intended). By the way, you may wonder about our inclusion of the
world's largest
casinos in a table clearly intended to show the impact of our dishonest
and decrepit
monetary policies. Casinos typically boom during periods of rapid
inflation, as money
becomes impossible to save and speculating (gambling) becomes widely
embraced by the
general public. That's a little-understood fact... and it may become
very important to
investors as this hyperinflation becomes more and more intense.
Hyperinflation...? Yes, that's right. It's underway already, and it's
going to get worse
and worse.
Look at the table above. What has done the best since the Fed turned on
the money spigot?
The one form of sound money most sensitive to a monetary crisis –
silver. As early as
May 2006, I explained to my subscribers why silver would boom – because
of the silver
ratio – as the dollar collapsed. That's exactly what's happening today.
Meanwhile... look at the bottom of the table. There lies the world's
legacy fiat paper
reserve currency – the U.S. dollar. As I've explained time and time
again in my various
reports on the "End of America," the current inflation spells the end of
the U.S. dollar
standard around the world. That's not a prediction anymore: It is
happening right now, as
you read this.
This table is clear and scary enough... but then there are the
President's comments
yesterday about these matters, which, to me, were simply surreal. In
reference to the
soaring price of gasoline, OBAMA! told a group of supporters in Reno,
Nevada: "We are
going to make sure that no one is taking advantage of the American
people for their own
short-term gain."
I'm assuming this line was delivered with a straight face... and to a
cheering crowd.
But... maybe not. Did anyone in the crowd understand the irony of the
President's
position? OBAMA! just explained the essence of capitalism – the factor
that makes it
work – but used it to define criminal activity. Even a 10th-grade
economics student
understands capitalism works because, through the miracle of free
exchange, private vices
(short-term gains) are converted into public virtues – goods and
services people want.
It's surreal to watch the President of the United States say things like
this... things
that could have been lifted from the speeches of Hugo Chavez.
A confession, dear subscribers. I've worked hard on my newsletters for
15 years. I've
taken financial risks to build this business, while giving up dozens of
other lucrative
opportunities. But... I realize now, after listening to the President,
selling
newsletters "takes advantage" of the American people (and about 100
other types of
nationalities who subscribe from around the world) for my own short-term
gain. I feel
ashamed.
So, I have a special request for the President... I am willing to give
up my post and to
renounce my "greed." My entire staff is willing to do the same. But
before we leave our
work, we need the President to help us find a few dozen folks who have
our skills and
work ethic, but are happy to work for free. Somewhere out there, we
know, Mr. President,
there are people noble enough to toil endlessly at jobs – like customer
service,
research, sales, marketing, general manager, designer, I.T., etc. – for
nothing in
return and no hope of building any personal wealth... lest they "take
advantage of the
American people."
We hope you'll help us find them, Mr. President, because our current
path of seeking one
short-term gain after another has simply left us exhausted.
What will we do next...? The new thing in America: We're going to live
at the expense of
our neighbors. For the first time in modern history, the government is
paying out more
money, in cash, to citizens, than it is taking in taxes. The numbers
were in yesterday's
Digest. We spent $2.3 trillion on direct benefits to taxpayers last
year, while the
government's total income was only $2.2 trillion. Roughly 60% of all
Americans now
receive some significant financial benefit from the government.
Meanwhile, less than 50%
of all people pay any federal income taxes. And roughly 10% of all
taxpayers foot
virtually all the significant income taxes levied.
Some of you, gentle readers, must think this is the way things ought to
be. When polled,
75% of Americans say Medicare shouldn't be cut under any conditions. And
roughly 75% say
raising taxes on the rich is the best way to solve the budget crisis.
I don't agree with these sentiments. I don't think it's appropriate or
Constitutional to
charge one citizen a different rate of tax than another. We all ought to
be equal under
the law, regardless of our income.
Likewise, I don't believe the government ought to be involved in paying
for medicine. Why
not? When is the last time in history a government did a good job
distributing a highly
complex, incredibly expensive good or service that had an essentially
endless demand? The
track record isn't promising.
But you should feel free to completely ignore my opinions on these
matters because
they're completely irrelevant. The fact is, these policies – the
politicians' efforts to
narrow the tax base while greatly expanding the role of the government
in our society –
are bankrupting us. By printing money to pay for these expenses, we will
cause the
complete collapse of our currency – as the table above ought to make
clear to anyone
paying attention.
Forget everything else you know about the budget problems and focus on
these facts...
It doesn't matter that you've paid into Social Security and Medicare.
That's like
investors arguing Bernie Madoff owes them money. It may very well be
true – but it's
totally irrelevant. Likewise, it doesn't matter that "income inequality"
is supposedly at
a new high. It's not, but why argue? It doesn't matter – taxes won't
solve that problem.
What does matter...? Consider this: Even if you collected 100% of the
income of all the
people who make more than $250,000 a year, the U.S. government would
have still run a
deficit last year. Even if you doubled the entire amount of income taxes
collected, the
Federal government would have run a deficit last year. There is no way
to balance our
budget, no way to prevent the literal bankruptcy of our country and the
runaway
hyperinflation that would result, unless we dramatically cut the
government's budget. We
have no choice, as you'll see.
The U.S. government has never succeeded in collecting more than about
20% of GDP in
taxes. Yes, that's true. The higher the marginal rates of income taxes
(the more you ask
the rich to pay), the more inefficient the tax system will become and
the greater the
burden on GDP growth, which is the main driver of all tax revenue. There
is no free
lunch. To collect 20% of GDP in taxes isn't easy. It will require a
broad-based, flatter
income tax or something akin to it. Collecting more than 20% of GDP has,
so far, been
impossible. I wouldn't plan on it.
Our GDP is roughly $14 trillion today. So no matter how you organize the
tax base, you
end up with $2.8 trillion to spend. And you can't spend that much,
because you've got
interest payments and (gasp!) debt repayments to make.
Yes, that's right, America: You borrowed all this money, and our
creditors actually
expect to be repaid. Interest payments and principal reductions of our
debt will have to
come first and should total around $500 billion each year. If interest
rates go up, we'll
have to spend more than this. Sorry. That's the price we have to pay if
we expect to
maintain control of our economy and not allow our children to end up as
house-boys and
maids in Shanghai. That leaves us with roughly $2 trillion to spend.
Here are our current expenses: Medicare and Social Security are now
spending $1.5
trillion and, if left alone, will quickly grow to far more than the
entire tax base. The
military spends over $700 billion (that we know of) each year. Domestic
social programs
(food stamps, Department of Education, etc.) cost $500 billion. Federal
pensions cost
more than $200 billion a year. So... we've got $2 trillion to spend...
but our bills are
running to $3 trillion per year, and they're scheduled to increase,
substantially.
Thus, we will have to cut at least $1 trillion from the budget –
immediately – and be
prepared to continue cutting on discretionary spending and the military
for at least the
next decade. That will mean cutting about one out of every three dollars
the government
spends today. Unless we balance this budget, there's no longer any doubt
our currency
will be destroyed, our savings lost, and the assets of our country
stripped by foreign
creditors.
So... what's more important to you? The lies you've been promised, or
trying your best to
restore this country to its founding principles? That's what we've got
to decide.
These facts, by the way, are common knowledge to all the planning people
in Washington.
So... what are the politicians doing? They're condemning capitalism by
complaining about
"short-term gains." They're investigating the free exchange of oil
contracts and calling
oil traders "criminals." Oh... that's right... they also spent months
trying to cut $60
billion from the budget – about six cents on the dollar of the cuts
required to balance
our budget. Those "cuts," by the way, were actually just smoke and
mirrors budget moves
that won't reduce the actual amount of spending by a penny, nor even
reduce our deficit.
Here's my question... and I mean this sincerely... how bad do things
have to get in this
country before the average voter wakes up and realizes that he can't
actually live at the
expense of his neighbor? How long will it take before it dawns on
regular people that,
like it or not, the rich can't pay for the entire burden of government?
And what will
happen when the average person who believed the lies he's been told by
his government
realizes there's no way any of those false promises can be delivered...?
Unfortunately... my bet is that things in this country are going to have
to get a lot
worse before our leaders in Washington – on both sides of the aisle – do
anything that
even remotely resembles actual leadership. So the next time you're
thinking about selling
your silver or cashing in your gold, just go back over these numbers
above and ask
yourself, how long will it be before Congress decides to gut the budget
and begins to
actually repay our creditors?
Oh... one more thing to consider. This week, we saw S&P threaten to
downgrade the
sovereign credit of the U.S., something completely unthinkable to the
world's financial
system just three years ago. We saw the University of Texas take
possession of nearly $1
billion of gold, a trend I believe could cause a run on the world's
bullion banks (like
JPMorgan) and a panic unlike anything we've seen since the Great
Depression. We've
recently witnessed the world's largest bond investor (PIMCO) begin to
actively short the
U.S. Treasury market – an unprecedented situation in the history of the
United States.
And we're only a few weeks away now from the end of the Fed's so-called
"QE2"
debt-monetization binge.
PrecisionmachinisT
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:24:31 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
>>news:dt12r6lret8s207p6...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:23:11 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>>> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of
>>>> English
>>>>in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official
>>>>endorsement
>>>>from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> See, fucktard? He chaired Ayers' foundation, dumbass.
>>>
>>
>>You fucking imbecile there are no 'lies' in the above...
>
> You're a goddamned idiot.
>
> You probably machine things out of spec all the time,
You probably fuck goats in the ass.
> if it isn't the computer doing the work.
Sadly, I also plan the process, program using cad /cam...grind and setup
tools build the fixtures etc.
> I made a piezo stack that can turn a square peg from a shaft nib
> sticking out of the lathe chuck.
>
Yeah sure thing, pal.
>
> It operates from 20 to 20k Hz and can cut an optical grade surface with
> no backlash without any further surface processing.
>
> It is used to cut the molds for contact lenses for thoroughbred horses.
>
> They are about an inch in diameter..
>
> I am miles ahead of a little grunt boy like you.
>
>>His response was quite clear--he knows Ayers, and he knows that Ayers
>>lives
>>in his neighborhood, and that he is a professor of English...
>
> He was in deep with Ayers, and was the chairman of his foundation, and
> also knew the entire time that he was a bomber - a TERRORIST. What he
> did was shirk the question, but a dumbfuck like you is going to have to
> go look that one up.
>
Your claim not mine...it's not up to me to back up YOUR claims..look it up
yourself and get back to us with verification...
>>Are you saying that Obama had in fact recieved an official endorsement
>>from
>>Ayers ?
>
> No, dumbfuck. Only party line retards like you talk about where money
> comes from.
>
Incoherant babble speak--let's try again...
--Had Obama in fact recieved an official endorsement from Ayers ?
>
> I am talking about an asshole that cohorts with a terrorist and retards
> like you ignored his severe character flaws and voted for the dipshit
> anyway,. and you STILL linger with your abject loyalty, even though it is
> being shown that the fucktard doesn't know his ass from a hole in the
> ground and has seriously fucked up the very fabric of this nation.
>
You're slobbering on your keyboard...
> But then, so have dumbfuck follow the flock sheep like you.
>
Blah blah blah..
>>Or that he, at that point in time, regularily exchanged ideas with Ayers ?
>>
>
> Yes, idiot. He regularly exchanged ideas with a 100% bona-fide
> ANTI-American terrorist asshole! How can you be so goddamned stupid?
Prove it then....
>
>>> He fucking lied and played off his association with him, because he
>>> KNEW that Ayers' past would be a thorn in his election possibilities, if
>>> not even kill them.
>>
>>Actually, he told the truth, seting the record straight
>
> No, he did not.
>
> The dork also talked about college kids paying back their loans "the
> way he did..."
College kids should be forced to suck dick in order to pay back their
loans...
But according to Fox news, the Obamas' paid off theirs using proceeds from
book sales..
> The dirty bastard paid his back with money from that
> foundation. You know... that meaningless foundation.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp
[The above-quoted piece combines a good deal of supposition and some
elaborate conspiracy theory to question exactly where Senator Barack Obama
obtained the money for his education and the purchase of a house in Chicago
in 2005. The answers are fairly straightforward.As both Barack Obama and
his wife, Michelle, have noted many times, they paid for their educations
via scholarships and student loans in the process (like many people)
incurring debts which were not fully paid off until many years later. (In
the Obamas' case, it was largely the revenue derived from Barack's pair of
best-selling books that finally allowed them to retire their student loan
debts.)Likewise, the Obamas' financing of their house in Chicago was no
mystery. The couple experienced a significant jump in income from 2000
onwards (largely from royalties on book sales), and they purchased their
Chicago home in 2005, a year in which their combined income was$1.6
millionThe Obamas' best financial year came in 2005, when their total
combined income was $1.6 million.That included in author fees for Obama's
best-selling books. Michelle Obama's salary that year as vice president for
community and external affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals] was
$316,962 plus another $45,000 from TreeHouse Foods [for whom she served a
member of the board of directors].]>>--because he knew that if he hadn't,
>
> He feigned the truth about and still does to this day, declaring that
> "he was only 8 years old and did not remember anything from then"
>
Oh, now I see--you can 'read' other peoples minds, even being able to
recollect their forgotten childhood memories...
>> Mccain would have continued distorting
>
> You are the distortion, jackass.
>
>>the issue to the point where it might have seriously damaged his campaign.
>
> If you were any more retarded, a'd swear that you were Keith Williams.
>
I have no idea who it is you are talking about.
>>> He fucking lied,
>>
>>You are a delusional fool.
>
> You were looking in the mirror when you wrote that.
>
Wrong.
--I was looking at my computer monitor.
> He lied and he continues to lie every time he is asked about it.
Anyone mentioned "paranoid schizo" lately ?
> Wanna bet?
Naww...you're already enough of a loser as it is....
>
>>> and you're a goddamned idiot
>>
>>Only in the paranoid schizo fantasy world which only exists in your pea
>>brain.
>
> My fingernail clippings have more on the ball than a twit like you
> does.
>
Amazing, the thoughts...
>>> to think
>>
>>Something you are apparently incapable of.
>
That come from the minds...
>
> You are as mature as a freshly laid turd.
>
Of the mentally disturbed..
> You prove that numerical age does not make one an adult. I'd say that
> you'll likely never advance beyond a 13 year old mentality, however. You
> are what we call "Hard wired stupid".
>
>>> that the elusion was not intentional.
>
> I also do watch making, so you'll never approach my knowledge of the
> physical realm either, loser boy.
>
Yeah sure thing..
> I grew up in Cincinnati, home of GE's jet engine facility, and
And so what ?
> Cincinnati Milacron, what was once the most advanced machine tool
> manufacturing company in the world.
Baloney-I've probably run at least 50 of their machine tools from the 30's
vintage to the mid 90's
Heavy duty perhaps on some models, but definately nothing special esp in the
way of accuracy.
> Then Japan came along.
>
> Still, I knew more about precision machining at Obama's magical 8 years
> old than you do today.
>
LOL
> I was 8 then too.
Well I was quite a bit older--and I don't recall ever having heard of Ayers
until the 2008 elections..
> I remember a bomber, and I did NOT live right down
> the street from the retarded bastard.
> I also happen to know how many years back this nation's problems go,
Apparently not as far back as I...
> and your blaming everything on Bush is a real tell about how little you
> know about what is going on in the world.
I blame Bush only where it is deserved, and I most certainly don't blame
"everything" on him.
> You are a rough cut loser, at best.
> I have seen 0.001" fluted shank drill bits... (world's record, held by
> a Russian machine tool company.) They sent it to the folks at the
> Milacron as a kind of brag. Cincinnati Milacron sent it back to them with
> a hole drilled into the shaft. ;-) That was back in the early '70s.
You are so full of shit...
The way my dad told it to me in the early 70's--it was the Americans and it
happened in the 50's and it was sent to the the Germans who sent it back to
them with a hole through it ...later, it was sent to the Swiss...who
promptly tapped the hole and sent it back with a screw installed...
>
> Now, IF you had any brains, you would know how to appreciate that.
>
> Somehow, I keep hearing the helicopters though.
And little voices too, I bet...
> I'd say it went right over your head.
I'd say it's a pretty damned tall story, perhaps Ed...
> The finest finish you ever cut? Yeah, sure... I'll bet you let CNC do
> all the work. How many crashes have you pulled? You probably have
> broken hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment.
Today, I own several hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment and
manufacture detail parts for the orbital defense and communications sector
as well as medical instruments and hardware used in research and development
of new surgical procedures, and also have a product line where we
manufacture tools and distribute globally.
Before that, I spent a good number of years at Boeing..flight control
hardware...much of it was spent repairing parts that were fucked up by other
people...jig bore....swiss w .0002" /grad vernier dials and #2
morse...optics..and then there was the G18...diamond points running @175k
rpm w/ GE-1050
> Me? None.
> Can you take a stainless cut off and make a jeweler's quality ring from
> it?
Piece of cake, actually did it once back in about 1980--bridgeport--17-4 PH
IIRC or 15-5....pressed onto an aluminum mandrel so I could hold onto
it...need to harden or it won't take on much of a lustre...torch works
fine....
> You ever hand polish anything?
LOL
Sorry, but I'm not going to polish your rod...
>
> Naah... you are one of those do nothing dorks that barely gets the yard
> work done.
Careful, you're slobbering again.
> You are one of those twits that has an wreck in a car, and calls it an
> accident. It is an accident they ever gave you a license.
The only automobile collision I have ever been involved in was when some
fuckwit slammed into me at about 75 mph after I had been stopped for about 2
minutes with my emergency flashers activated behind about 300 other cars in
a freeway traffic jam.
> So, yeah. You're toast on both politics AND machining, punk. And very
> likely just about anything else.
LOL
Whatever..
Unfortunately, I've already wasted too much of my time in responding to your
mindless trolls so into my bozo bin you must go..
Bye bye...tell Gunner hello...
--
dagmarg...@yahoo.com
"It doesn't matter that you've paid into Social Security and Medicare.
That's like investors arguing Bernie Madoff owes them money. It may
very well be true – but it's totally irrelevant. Likewise, it doesn't
matter that "income inequality" is supposedly at a new high. It's not,
but why argue? It doesn't matter – taxes won't solve that problem.
What does matter...? Consider this: Even if you collected 100% of the
income of all the people who make more than $250,000 a year, the U.S.
government would have still run a deficit last year. Even if you
doubled the entire amount of income taxes collected, the Federal
government would have run a deficit last year."
Yup.
No one seems to notice that Barack's "emergency" bailout / stimulus
spending hasn't stopped. Current budgets are even bigger than those,
not smaller.
He's still spending that and more, just giving it to different people
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
Gunner Asch
You guys seem to be forgetting LBJ......
Gunner
--
"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)
Gunner Asch
<td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
>Hawke wrote:
>>
>> AS usual a day late and a dollar short. I guess you didn't see Michele
>> Bachmann today being interviewed by George Stephanopolus. If you had
>> you would have seen him present her with a copy of Obama's birth
>> notice, which is the legal document in Hawaii everyone gets when one
>> is born.
>
>They would have found it in less than 3 years if they had rushed to Hawaii
>to look for it, the way hordes of news people rushed to Alaska to
>investigate possible corruption there.
>
>I always thought it was just as important that he went to school in
>Indonesia, which explains why he doesn't understand basic concepts of
>American philosophy like not bowing to royalty.
BORN IN THE USA?
Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate
Suggests controversy could hurt president's re-election chances
Posted: January 18, 2011
8:05 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily
Neil Abercrombie
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today
that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama
may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii
Department of Health.
Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within
the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that
would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility
controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012.
Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again
today another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an
interview with the governor.
Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You
stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and
your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's
birth certificate. How is that coming?"
In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue
will have "political implications" for the next presidential election
"that we simply cannot have."
Get the free, in-depth special report on eligibility that could bring an
end to Obama's presidency
Suggesting he was still intent on producing more birth records on Obama
from the Hawaii Department of Health vital records vault, Abercrombie
told the newspaper there was a recording of the Obama birth in the state
archives that he wants to make public.
Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii
Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated
birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to
date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth
that someone had made in the state archives.
"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is
showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie
said.
For seemingly the first time, Abercrombie frankly acknowledged that
presidential politics motivated his search for Obama birth records,
implying that failure to resolve the questions that remain unanswered
about the president's birth and early life may damage his chance for
re-election.
"If there is a political agenda (regarding Obama's birth certificate),
then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president," he
said.
So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii
Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during
the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly
independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for
Obama – Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org
published photographs of the document in August 2008.
WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health has refused to
authenticate the COLB posted on the Internet by Snopes.com and
FactCheck.org.
WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn
Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if
the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born.
Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth do not prove he
was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the
grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was
born elsewhere.
Moreover, WND has documented that the address reported in the newspaper
birth announcements was the home of the grandparents.
WND also has reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate
apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann
Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three
weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in
Seattle.
Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii
in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in
Cambridge, Mass.
Conceivably, the yet undisclosed birth record in the state archives that
Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents
registering Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the
newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of
Live Birth, even if no long-form birth certificate existed.
WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk
for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there
is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the
Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens
Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama
was born there.
This is what has been presented as his birth certificate
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
This is what an actual long form birth cert from Hawaii written within 2
days of his birth should look like...
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
As a further note..we wonder why some of his other records are not to be
found as well....
"It's not just Obama's original birth certificate at issue. WND has
reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama
includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his
Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his
Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review
articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his
passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois
state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism
records, and his adoption records."
Since no one can find his actual birth cert...and
"Dr. Chiyome Fukino declared she has seen the "original birth records"
that verify Obama was born in Hawaii and is a "natural-born American
citizen," the Honolulu Advertiser reported."
It would appear that Dr. Fukino would be guilty of at the
least..purjury...or guilty of being an accomplice in a rather nasty
felony and a violation of the US Constition that has no other equals.
WarmUnderbelly
<precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
>news:u4b4r611rvfqtcnu7...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:24:31 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
>>>news:dt12r6lret8s207p6...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:23:11 -0700, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>>>> <precision...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of
>>>>> English
>>>>>in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official
>>>>>endorsement
>>>>>from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
>>>>
>>>> See, fucktard? He chaired Ayers' foundation, dumbass.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You fucking imbecile there are no 'lies' in the above...
>>
>> You're a goddamned idiot.
>>
>> You probably machine things out of spec all the time,
>
>
>You probably fuck goats in the ass.
You are as mature as a freshly laid turd.
>
>> if it isn't the computer doing the work.
>
>Sadly, I also plan the process, program using cad /cam...grind and setup
>tools build the fixtures etc.
Oh boy! Johnny can pump fucking numbers. Good job, data entry boy!
>
>> I made a piezo stack that can turn a square peg from a shaft nib
>> sticking out of the lathe chuck.
>>
>
>Yeah sure thing, pal.
The nub is spinning at 600 rpm, and the cutting head is modulating so
fast that nearly any shape can be precision machined into it.
Again you show us how little you know.
>>
>> It operates from 20 to 20k Hz and can cut an optical grade surface with
>> no backlash without any further surface processing.
>>
>> It is used to cut the molds for contact lenses for thoroughbred horses.
>>
>> They are about an inch in diameter..
>>
>> I am miles ahead of a little grunt boy like you.
>>
>>>His response was quite clear--he knows Ayers, and he knows that Ayers
>>>lives
>>>in his neighborhood, and that he is a professor of English...
>>
>> He was in deep with Ayers, and was the chairman of his foundation, and
>> also knew the entire time that he was a bomber - a TERRORIST. What he
>> did was shirk the question, but a dumbfuck like you is going to have to
>> go look that one up.
>>
>
>Your claim not mine...it's not up to me to back up YOUR claims..look it up
>yourself and get back to us with verification...
I was talking about the word "shirk". The statement is fine. The
remark was about your lack of vocabulary.
>>>Are you saying that Obama had in fact recieved an official endorsement
>>>from
>>>Ayers ?
>>
>> No, dumbfuck. Only party line retards like you talk about where money
>> comes from.
>>
>
>Incoherant babble speak--let's try again...
>
>--Had Obama in fact recieved an official endorsement from Ayers ?
Nothing Ayers does is "official", idiot. So there would be no
endorsements from him anywhere. He is as meaningless as you are.
>> I am talking about an asshole that cohorts with a terrorist and retards
>> like you ignored his severe character flaws and voted for the dipshit
>> anyway,. and you STILL linger with your abject loyalty, even though it is
>> being shown that the fucktard doesn't know his ass from a hole in the
>> ground and has seriously fucked up the very fabric of this nation.
>>
>
>You're slobbering on your keyboard...
You're a retarded bitch that spouts nonsense like this when you are
being cornered.
>
>> But then, so have dumbfuck follow the flock sheep like you.
>>
>
>Blah blah blah..
Said the follow the flock retarded sheeple.
>>>Or that he, at that point in time, regularily exchanged ideas with Ayers ?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, idiot. He regularly exchanged ideas with a 100% bona-fide
>> ANTI-American terrorist asshole! How can you be so goddamned stupid?
>
>Prove it then....
A minute ago YOU were declaring that OBAMA said that he DID have such
'exchanges'. Now you ask me to prove he did. Make up your mind, pussy
boy!
>>>> He fucking lied and played off his association with him, because he
>>>> KNEW that Ayers' past would be a thorn in his election possibilities, if
>>>> not even kill them.
>>>
>>>Actually, he told the truth, seting the record straight
>>
>> No, he did not.
>>
>> The dork also talked about college kids paying back their loans "the
>> way he did..."
>
>
>College kids should be forced to suck dick in order to pay back their
>loans...
Now, I know that you are nothing more than a little gang boy retard that
should have his ass kicked. That what punk fucks like you need.
>But according to Fox news, the Obamas' paid off theirs using proceeds from
>book sales..
You ain't real bright, are ya boy? Look at the timeline and look at
the years when Obama and his gang boy retard wife were pilfering the US
coffers by acquiring grants for bogus foundations.
>
snipped retarded links that state zero facts.
>
>> The dirty bastard paid his back with money from that
>> foundation. You know... that meaningless foundation.
>
>http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/money.asp
>[The above-quoted piece combines a good deal of supposition and some
>elaborate conspiracy theory to question exactly where Senator Barack Obama
>obtained the money for his education and the purchase of a house in Chicago
>in 2005.
Oh boy. I never said a goddamned thing about a fucking house, you
fucking retard.
> The answers are fairly straightforward.As both Barack Obama and
>his wife, Michelle, have noted many times, they paid for their educations
>via scholarships and student loans in the process (like many people)
>incurring debts which were not fully paid off until many years later.
Do you know what his 'salary' was when he chaired the foundation?
>(In
>the Obamas' case, it was largely the revenue derived from Barack's pair of
>best-selling books that finally allowed them to retire their student loan
>debts.)Likewise, the Obamas' financing of their house in Chicago was no
>mystery. The couple experienced a significant jump in income from 2000
>onwards (largely from royalties on book sales), and they purchased their
>Chicago home in 2005, a year in which their combined income was$1.6
>millionThe Obamas' best financial year came in 2005, when their total
>combined income was $1.6 million.That included in author fees for Obama's
>best-selling books. Michelle Obama's salary that year as vice president for
>community and external affairs at the University of Chicago Hospitals] was
>$316,962 plus another $45,000 from TreeHouse Foods [for whom she served a
>member of the board of directors].]>>--because he knew that if he hadn't,
>>
>> He feigned the truth about and still does to this day, declaring that
>> "he was only 8 years old and did not remember anything from then"
>>
>
>Oh, now I see--you can 'read' other peoples minds, even being able to
>recollect their forgotten childhood memories...
You are an idiot.
>>> Mccain would have continued distorting
>>
>> You are the distortion, jackass.
>>
>>>the issue to the point where it might have seriously damaged his campaign.
>>
>> If you were any more retarded, a'd swear that you were Keith Williams.
>>
>
>I have no idea who it is you are talking about.
You are just as stupid as he is as well.
>>>> He fucking lied,
>>>
>>>You are a delusional fool.
>>
>> You were looking in the mirror when you wrote that.
>>
>
>Wrong.
>
>--I was looking at my computer monitor.
But the statement you made describes YOU perfectly.
>> He lied and he continues to lie every time he is asked about it.
>
>Anyone mentioned "paranoid schizo" lately ?
No, but I mention "retarded twit" every time I encounter an uninformed,
disinformation spewing dipshit like you
>> Wanna bet?
>
>Naww...you're already enough of a loser as it is....
More like you are a pussy, just like I stated.
>>
>>>> and you're a goddamned idiot
>>>
>>>Only in the paranoid schizo fantasy world which only exists in your pea
>>>brain.
>>
>> My fingernail clippings have more on the ball than a twit like you
>> does.
>>
>
>Amazing, the thoughts...
>
>>>> to think
>>>
>>>Something you are apparently incapable of.
>>
>
>That come from the minds...
>
>>
>> You are as mature as a freshly laid turd.
>>
>
>Of the mentally disturbed..
You are that. What is amazing is that you signed on and proudly wear
your blinders. Even after we proved that he has fucked it all up.
You bastards are so stupid that you'll go down in a blaze of glory on
par with the South losing the civil war before you'll admit that you
fucking voted in an absolute idiot. A thieving idiot at that.
>> You prove that numerical age does not make one an adult. I'd say that
>> you'll likely never advance beyond a 13 year old mentality, however. You
>> are what we call "Hard wired stupid".
>>
>>>> that the elusion was not intentional.
>>
>> I also do watch making, so you'll never approach my knowledge of the
>> physical realm either, loser boy.
>>
>
>Yeah sure thing..
You are just miffed because I know more about precision metalworking
than you do.
>> I grew up in Cincinnati, home of GE's jet engine facility, and
>
>
>And so what ?
You don't know much about machine tools to make that stupid remark.
>
>> Cincinnati Milacron, what was once the most advanced machine tool
>> manufacturing company in the world.
>
>Baloney-I've probably run at least 50 of their machine tools from the 30's
>vintage to the mid 90's
Good for you. Did you ever run the machine they use to cut the bearing
way on the turret nest of an M1 tank? You know... the one that set
world records for size?
Oh, that's right, you use words like "baloney' and claim that you are a
machining god.
You are pathetic, at best.
>
>Heavy duty perhaps on some models, but definately nothing special esp in the
>way of accuracy.
You're an idiot. 0.0001" tolerances on a regular basis.
> Then Japan came along.
>>
>> Still, I knew more about precision machining at Obama's magical 8 years
>> old than you do today.
>>
>
>LOL
>
>> I was 8 then too.
>
>Well I was quite a bit older--and I don't recall ever having heard of Ayers
>until the 2008 elections..
That's because you were an oblivious fucking retarded bastard then too.
>> I remember a bomber, and I did NOT live right down
>> the street from the retarded bastard.
>> I also happen to know how many years back this nation's problems go,
>
>Apparently not as far back as I...
Again, you were an oblivious dipshit then. That fact hasn't changed. In
fact, your stupidity has 'matured'.
>
>> and your blaming everything on Bush is a real tell about how little you
>> know about what is going on in the world.
>
>I blame Bush only where it is deserved,
You are too goddamned retarded to know what anyone 'deserves'.
> and I most certainly don't blame
>"everything" on him.
The remark you made stated very nearly exactly that.
So you are typical in this respect too. A dumb little bastard that
cannot admit that choice you made was wrong, and the party you back are
fucking retarded, greedy bastards that need their asses kicked too!
>> You are a rough cut loser, at best.
>> I have seen 0.001" fluted shank drill bits... (world's record, held by
>> a Russian machine tool company.) They sent it to the folks at the
>> Milacron as a kind of brag. Cincinnati Milacron sent it back to them with
>> a hole drilled into the shaft. ;-) That was back in the early '70s.
>
>You are so full of shit...
Look it up, asshole. The world's smallest fluted shaft drill bit is
0.001" It was made by a Russian maker back before they dissolved the
USSR.
>The way my dad told it to me
My dad didn't tell it to me. He brought it home in a bottle.
> in the early 70's--it was the Americans and it
>happened in the 50's and it was sent to the the Germans who sent it back to
>them with a hole through it ...later, it was sent to the Swiss...who
>promptly tapped the hole and sent it back with a screw installed...
Except that I actually examined the article.
>>
>> Now, IF you had any brains, you would know how to appreciate that.
>>
>> Somehow, I keep hearing the helicopters though.
>
>And little voices too, I bet...
Which would still be a damned site more than what rattle along your two
neurons.
>> I'd say it went right over your head.
>
>I'd say it's a pretty damned tall story, perhaps Ed...
You're a pretty stupid dork.
>> The finest finish you ever cut? Yeah, sure... I'll bet you let CNC do
>> all the work. How many crashes have you pulled? You probably have
>> broken hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment.
>
>Today, I own several hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment and
>manufacture detail parts for the orbital defense and communications sector
>as well as medical instruments and hardware used in research and development
>of new surgical procedures, and also have a product line where we
>manufacture tools and distribute globally.
Good for you. A job where your typical corner cutting mentality
doesn't work, because they wont buy shit.
>Before that, I spent a good number of years at Boeing..flight control
>hardware...
Oh boy! I still know more than you do with ZERO education in the
field. I surpassed your grasp of the realm in my teen years.
>much of it was spent repairing parts that were fucked up by other
>people...jig bore....swiss w .0002" /grad vernier dials and #2
>morse...optics..and then there was the G18...diamond points running @175k
>rpm w/ GE-1050
I am impressed... not.
You political views and blindness proves that you have something off
once one gets past the two inch bone thickness.
>
>> Me? None.
>> Can you take a stainless cut off and make a jeweler's quality ring from
>> it?
>
>Piece of cake, actually did it once back in about 1980--bridgeport--17-4 PH
>IIRC or 15-5....
Idiot. I am talking about by hand, dumbfuck. Drills, files, and emory
cloth.
>pressed onto an aluminum mandrel so I could hold onto
>it...need to harden or it won't take on much of a lustre...torch works
>fine....
You're an idiot.
The term is LUSTER, dumbfuck. And no, stainless need no treatment to
take on a fine polish and look good.
>> You ever hand polish anything?
>
>LOL
>
>Sorry, but I'm not going to polish your rod...
More immature baby bullshit. Yeah, you are a democrat. A true total
retard.
>>
>> Naah... you are one of those do nothing dorks that barely gets the yard
>> work done.
>
>Careful, you're slobbering again.
You like mouthing off from a distance, little boy.
>> You are one of those twits that has an wreck in a car, and calls it an
>> accident. It is an accident they ever gave you a license.
>
>The only automobile collision I have ever been involved in was when some
>fuckwit slammed into me at about 75 mph after I had been stopped for about 2
>minutes with my emergency flashers activated behind about 300 other cars in
>a freeway traffic jam.
His mentality matched yours. That's where the attraction came from.
>
>> So, yeah. You're toast on both politics AND machining, punk. And very
>> likely just about anything else.
>
>LOL
>
>Whatever..
>
>Unfortunately, I've already wasted too much of my time in responding to your
>mindless trolls so into my bozo bin you must go..
Nice try, pussy. Mouth off and run. You're a real prize for your
fucked up party.
>
>Bye bye...tell Gunner hello...
Who the fuck are you spewing about now, dipshit?
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 21:27:06 -0700, UltimatePatriot
><Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:46:06 -0500, "David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/21/2011 2:09 PM, Hawke wrote:
>>>
>>>>> He will indeed go down as the worst President this nation ever had.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry but George Bush, the guy you wanted in the White House, has that
>>>> title.
>>>
>>>Such a short memory1 Have you already forgotten Nixon?
>>>
>>>His evil beats GWB's mediocrity any day. And GWB isn't even a close
>>>third after Clinton.
>>>
>>>David
>>
>> Yes. One of my favorite statements in history is by R. M. Nixon.
>>
>> "Don't confuse me with the facts..." -R. M. Nixon.
>>
>> Hilarious, that one is.
>>
>> Still, the Obama idiot is an order of magnitude worse than any
>>president we ever had, and he thoroughly proves that all the education in
>>the world does not make one a competent leader.
>>
>> Then, there are all the "follow the flock" idiots around WITH horses
>>blinders on, absolutely unable to see the mess this idiot has foisted
>>upon the American people.
>
>You guys seem to be forgetting LBJ......
>
>Gunner
You are too goddamned stupid to even know what went on in his
administration as well. Especially after that stupid remark.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>
>
>This is what has been presented as his birth certificate
>
>http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
That is pathetic. NO state used, nor did any have those kinds of
document alteration prevention methodologies back then.
That was before the American Airlines check fraud guy.
Even checks had no such 'features' back then.
There were NO birth certificates from back then that incorporated the
anti-alteration features that paper uses.
In other words, boys... it is fucking bogus!
mpm
<UltimatePatr...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 22:46:06 -0500, "David R. Birch" <dbi...@wi.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 4/21/2011 2:09 PM, Hawke wrote:
>
> >>> He will indeed go down as the worst President this nation ever had.
>
> >> Sorry but George Bush, the guy you wanted in the White House, has that
> >> title.
>
> >Such a short memory1 Have you already forgotten Nixon?
>
> >His evil beats GWB's mediocrity any day. And GWB isn't even a close
> >third after Clinton.
>
> >David
>
> Yes. One of my favorite statements in history is by R. M. Nixon.
>
> "Don't confuse me with the facts..." -R. M. Nixon.
>
> Hilarious, that one is.
>
> Still, the Obama idiot is an order of magnitude worse than any
> president we ever had, and he thoroughly proves that all the education in
> the world does not make one a competent leader.
>
> Then, there are all the "follow the flock" idiots around WITH horses
> blinders on, absolutely unable to see the mess this idiot has foisted
> upon the American people.
At the very least, you are discounting the Harding Administration.
Teapot Dome??
Tom Del Rosso
>
> BORN IN THE USA?
There's another thing I haven't heard from anybody at all. We know African
Americans who just immigrated start businesses and are more successful than
descendants of slaves. Regardless of where he was born, his father was a
recent immigrant. People acted like it was such a breakthrough to have a
black president, many of them stupid enough to vote for him just to prove
they could. I don't see it as a breakthrough. With all the African
American's who are already in politics, the fact that the first to be
president was from a new line is a sad reminder of how far the other African
Americans have to go. And it is not a sign that "we" have a long way to go,
because if we did then we wouldn't have elected any black man, nor would the
new immigrants be successful.
Ed Huntress
"Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:iousd8$opn$1...@dont-email.me...
> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>
>> BORN IN THE USA?
>
> There's another thing I haven't heard from anybody at all. We know
> African Americans who just immigrated start businesses and are more
> successful than descendants of slaves. Regardless of where he was born,
> his father was a recent immigrant. People acted like it was such a
> breakthrough to have a black president, many of them stupid enough to vote
> for him just to prove they could. I don't see it as a breakthrough. With
> all the African American's who are already in politics, the fact that the
> first to be president was from a new line is a sad reminder of how far the
> other African Americans have to go.
"New line?" He was a university student who was sufficiently superior to
gain entrance to US universities from Kenya at a time when that was still a
feat of considerable proportions. How old were you in 1960? Do you remember
what it was like? He was not an average man, among whites or blacks.
> And it is not a sign that "we" have a long way to go, because if we did
> then we wouldn't have elected any black man, nor would the new immigrants
> be successful.
We may not have a long way to go, Tom, but you certainly do.
--
Ed Huntress
WarmUnderbelly
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>"New line?" He was a university student who was sufficiently superior to
>gain entrance to US universities from Kenya at a time when that was still a
>feat of considerable proportions. How old were you in 1960? Do you remember
>what it was like? He was not an average man, among whites or blacks.
He was not a man at all in 1960, idiot.
Jamie
Let us know when he becomes one, please.
Jamie
Tom Del Rosso
>
> "New line?"
Something wrong with the term? What's an appropriate term for someone in a
recently immigrated family?
> He was a university student who was sufficiently superior
> to gain entrance to US universities from Kenya at a time when that
> was still a feat of considerable proportions. How old were you in
> 1960? Do you remember what it was like? He was not an average man,
> among whites or blacks.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that his family recently immigrated.
> > And it is not a sign that "we" have a long way to go, because if we
> > did then we wouldn't have elected any black man, nor would the new
> > immigrants be successful.
>
> We may not have a long way to go, Tom, but you certainly do.
I don't know what you're talking about. Is this some kind of accusation of
racism?
I thought I was pretty clear, but your post isn't.
David R. Birch
Not really, just a standard printout like you'd get from any modern
birth registry.
Did you notice the revision of the form was from 11/01? This is not a
hard copy of an original form, just a current printout from records.
There is no reason to keep the hard copy on file. Mine is not on file,
either, my birth county offers a similar printout as proof of birth, and
that printout doesn't look much like the original that I now have.
The modern printout doesn't have my footprints on the back either, but
it is valid.
David
mpm
wrote:
Wow. I don't know what to make of that post.... ??
I will say this, you can lump a lot of white trash and [fill-in racial
background of your choice here] into your above position statement.
If you were to limit the statement to particular individuals, that is.
Otherwise, you are (at best) making a one-to-many comparison flaw.
It is not appropriate to ascribe the characteristics of a group to
particular members of that group -- even if I were to accept your
premise, which I don't.
I don't follow your last paragraph at all.
You sound like a racist and a xenophobe all rolled into one.
mpm
<WarmUnderbellyOfAmer...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:08:57 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
>
>
> >"New line?" He was a university student who was sufficiently superior to
> >gain entrance to US universities from Kenya at a time when that was still a
> >feat of considerable proportions. How old were you in 1960? Do you remember
> >what it was like? He was not an average man, among whites or blacks.
>
> He was not a man at all in 1960, idiot.
LMAO.!!!
And he calls us idiots. :)
Tom Del Rosso
> Wow. I don't know what to make of that post.... ??
> I will say this, you can lump a lot of white trash and [fill-in racial
> background of your choice here] into your above position statement.
> If you were to limit the statement to particular individuals, that is.
>
> Otherwise, you are (at best) making a one-to-many comparison flaw.
> It is not appropriate to ascribe the characteristics of a group to
> particular members of that group -- even if I were to accept your
> premise, which I don't.
>
> I don't follow your last paragraph at all.
> You sound like a racist and a xenophobe all rolled into one.
What on Earth is so unclear? I said with all the African Americans in
politics, almost all descendants of slaves, one of them should have been the
first black president. That's racist? WTF is racist about that? I can
think of several I'd vote for against almost any white guy. Is that racist
too?
That it was someone from a new immigrant family says the same thing about
social development that is said by the fact that we have new immigrants from
West Africa who are statistically much more successful than those who've
been here for centuries. Is it racist when somebody points out that a lot
of West Africans are successful in business or other fields? Or is it
racist if someone says that descendants of slaves have some kind of social
or emotional baggage that holds them back?
Ed Huntress
"WarmUnderbelly" <WarmUnderbe...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org>
wrote in message news:e906r61rof2abddgj...@4ax.com...
We were talking about Obama's father, moron. He was born in 1936.
--
Ed Huntress
Rich Grise
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 18:04:03 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
>>>
>>> AS usual a day late and a dollar short. I guess you didn't see Michele
>>> Bachmann today being interviewed by George Stephanopolus. If you had
>>> you would have seen him present her with a copy of Obama's birth
>>> notice, which is the legal document in Hawaii everyone gets when one
>>> is born.
>>
>>They would have found it in less than 3 years if they had rushed to Hawaii
>>to look for it, the way hordes of news people rushed to Alaska to
>>investigate possible corruption there.
>>
>>I always thought it was just as important that he went to school in
>>Indonesia, which explains why he doesn't understand basic concepts of
>>American philosophy like not bowing to royalty.
>
> BORN IN THE USA?
> Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate
At this point, isn't it kinda moot? The guy's in power TODAY, and he's
driving the country down the socialist toilet - aren't there enough
violations of the Constitution on his record to impeach him NOW, if
anyone in the Senate or Congress would muster up the balls to take
definitive action? Hell, they impeached Clinton for getting a BJ -
shouldn't they impeach Obama for advancing the Marxist agenda and
giving aid and comfort to Islamic terrorists?
Thanks,
Rich
Hawke
> Hawke wrote:
>>
>> You really need some help. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that
>> taking an oath to support and defend the U.S. Constitution means those
>> people are under oath to tell the truth at all times?
>
> Of course it does.. I find it hard to believe that there's any human in
> America who thinks that there's a possibility that taking an oath _doesn't_
> require you to tell the truth.
>
> You need some kind of medical attention.
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
>
You need to learn to read. The oath of office congressmen take is to
support and defend the constitution of the united states. It says
nothing about always telling the truth at all times. What kind of a boob
thinks that?
Hawke
Hawke
That makes two idiots.
Hawke
Gunner Asch
<WarmUnderbe...@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
>> The answers are fairly straightforward.As both Barack Obama and
>>his wife, Michelle, have noted many times, they paid for their educations
>>via scholarships and student loans in the process (like many people)
>>incurring debts which were not fully paid off until many years later.
>
> Do you know what his 'salary' was when he chaired the foundation?
Michelles was $380,000 a year
Gunner Asch
That particular form is simply a form that was developed in 1984 ....23
yrs after the Obamassiah was born.
Gunner Asch
wrote:
>On 4/23/2011 6:20 AM, UltimatePatriot wrote:
According to the Hawaiian government..no filed birth certs were
destroyed when they computerized them in 2001 (year IRRC)
So where is the Obamassiahs?
Seems as though even the Governor of Hawaii cant find it..and we all
know he has sent hordes of his minions into the files....bet on it.
Gunner Asch
<Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
Spoken like the true mindless and mentally ill Leftwinger you appear to
be.
Heads up fucktard..Im 57 yrs old. I grew up with LBJ as president.
And only missed having him as my Commander in Chief by a year or so.
Ed Huntress
"Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> "New line?"
>
> Something wrong with the term? What's an appropriate term for someone in
> a recently immigrated family?
Yeah, there is. That would be a good term for a recently evolved species of
bacterium, but Obama's father is the same species as the African Americans
as well as the white people who had already been here.
>
>
>> He was a university student who was sufficiently superior
>> to gain entrance to US universities from Kenya at a time when that
>> was still a feat of considerable proportions. How old were you in
>> 1960? Do you remember what it was like? He was not an average man,
>> among whites or blacks.
>
> Which has nothing to do with the fact that his family recently immigrated.
The question is what his father's recent immigration status has to do with
anything, except the fact that he had smart parents.
>
>> > And it is not a sign that "we" have a long way to go, because if we
>> > did then we wouldn't have elected any black man, nor would the new
>> > immigrants be successful.
>>
>> We may not have a long way to go, Tom, but you certainly do.
>
> I don't know what you're talking about. Is this some kind of accusation
> of racism?
>
Why don't you tell us what it means? What does "new immigrants" being
successful have to do with the fact that he's black?
You left all of that up in the air.
The fact is that Obama is an exceptional individual and his parents showed
evidence of high intellectual capability. Because he had an unusual
upbringing, he had an outside perspective of the political limitations that
result from adopting a racially based identity politics. In fact, his racial
identity was pretty hard to nail down, even to himself.
So whites took as a positive thing that he showed no sign of being an angry
black man, even though he made it clear that he had a special sensitivity to
matters of race, religion, and so on, based on his unusual set of
experiences. He also was a breath of fresh air compared to John ("Flounder")
McCain, McSame the Lame.
None of this relates to how "far" we have to go. It was an unusual
situation, and there are enough non-racist whites in America to have pushed
him over the top. It doesn't mean that the nation is free of racism -- we're
loaded with it. It's just that their numbers weren't enough to win an
election for them this time.
We've come a long way, but we have a long way to go. But it isn't entirely
clear where you are. Maybe you'd like to explain it.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fue6r6hqh9p3gckks...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 04:20:25 -0700, UltimatePatriot
> <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 02:55:48 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This is what has been presented as his birth certificate
>>>
>>>http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg
>>
>> That is pathetic. NO state used, nor did any have those kinds of
>>document alteration prevention methodologies back then.
>>
>> That was before the American Airlines check fraud guy.
>>
>> Even checks had no such 'features' back then.
>>
>> There were NO birth certificates from back then that incorporated the
>>anti-alteration features that paper uses.
>>
>> In other words, boys... it is fucking bogus!
>
>
> That particular form is simply a form that was developed in 1984 ....23
> yrs after the Obamassiah was born.
>
> Gunner
So was mine -- developed in 1971, I'm told, decades after I was born.
You are a moron, Gunner. Don't you get it? They print the thing on the form
in use at the time you request it.
Sheesh, no wonder you're living on the edge.
--
Ed Huntress
Tom Del Rosso
> "Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:iouvvk$49n$1...@dont-email.me...
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
> > >
> > > "New line?"
> >
> > Something wrong with the term? What's an appropriate term for
> > someone in a recently immigrated family?
>
> Yeah, there is. That would be a good term for a recently evolved
> species of bacterium, but Obama's father is the same species as the
> African Americans as well as the white people who had already been
> here.
That makes sense, but it should be clear I meant a new line of Americans,
like the one my grandparents started. If it was easy to think of a better
term you might have suggested a few.
> The question is what his father's recent immigration status has to do
> with anything, except the fact that he had smart parents.
I think you should respond to my other post, in response to mpm. Maybe I
clarified it enough there.
> We've come a long way, but we have a long way to go. But it isn't
> entirely clear where you are. Maybe you'd like to explain it.
I grew up in Jackson Heights in NYC, which to this day has everything but
Africans. They live in Corona, on the other side of Junction Blvd, which
was 2 short blocks or 500 feet from our house. I was told not to go over
there, and that was the view shared by everyone of all ages. When we had to
drive through it we made sure the car doors were locked.
When I was 13 or 14 I was riding my bike when I made the impulsive decision
to challenge that thinking. Obviously I wasn't swayed by past experience
with the people of Corona crossing onto our side, which was unpleasant.
There was no symmetry - the black kids weren't the ones who had cause to be
afraid when they entered our neghborhood.
So in spite of my experience and that of others who were robbed or beaten on
our side of Junction Blvd, I got this rebellious impulse to challenge the
status quo and ride over there. I got 100 feet into Corona when I heard
someone yell, "Hey! Get that white kid!"
So I turned around and went back. A seven-year-old kicked the side of the
bike as I turned. If the older kids were on the street I wouldn't have made
it. It was another seven-year-old who yelled, and they all started toward
me. But that didn't affect my view of black people one bit. I was far too
aware of the contradictions and idiocy in my father's bigotry to be swayed
that easily. I knew, or strongly suspected, that a generation earlier they
wouldn't have behaved that way. I knew their behavior was not determined by
race (the definition of racism) and I came to understand that it was
determined by the fact that they didn't know who their fathers were. They
were born for the additional welfare money, so it did help to form my view
of the Great Society and the Democratic party, which excels at unintended
consequences.
About a year later, or maybe the same year, a black kid in a playground (one
block on my side of Junction Blvd) begged me to let him go once around the
block on my bike. It's not something you'd trust any stranger to do, but I
relented. I had to find out if his friendly demeanor was for real. After a
minute of wondering if I would see the bike again, he came around the
corner. I'm overly sentimental in general, but I got teary writing that. I
never saw him again because that's the way it was with people who lived 2
blocks in any direction, but I remember him and a few others like him. They
probably didn't know their fathers either, but some people are strong enough
to survive everything do-gooders can throw at them.
dca...@krl.org
He also was a breath of fresh air compared to John ("Flounder")
> McCain, McSame the Lame.
>
> Ed Huntress
Just can not post without putting in a dig at someone.
Dan
Tom Del Rosso
Republican have made plenty of digs at McCain, whom we see as a RINO. When
he made an insulting remark about Chelsea Clinton (called her ugly, and she
was just a kid), Republicans weren't too surprised. We already knew there
was something wrong with him. That's why 2008 was the only even-numbered
year in which I didn't vote.
But primary voters almost always choose from the bottom. That's one of our
biggest problems. Obama chose Biden I think because he was the best they
had in the primary, and he had to drop out early. So did Gephardt, and so
did my first choice in the Republican primary several times. Voters like to
rule out the best. We should go back to letting the conventions choose.
mpm
>
> > Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> > Something wrong with the term? What's an appropriate term for someone in
> > a recently immigrated family?
Um... "Mexican"? :)
OK, now THAT'S racist. !!
O guess the politically correct term would be "undocumented
worker". :)
Jamie
No, just undocumented. Not all work.
Jamie
Tom Del Rosso
> No, just undocumented. Not all work.
They should all be able to, IMO. It should be harder to become a citizen
(take along only your immediate family, for example), but much easier to
come here for work.
WarmUnderbelly
>
>LMAO.!!!
>And he calls us idiots. :)
You are an idiot. He was born in 1961.
UltimatePatriot
wrote:
>Spoken like the true mindless and mentally ill Leftwinger you appear to
>be.
You standard diss. Everyone that disagrees with you is a "leftwinger".
Funny how all the retarded democrats in the thread were calling me a
right winger yesterday.
Are you illiterate or simply one of those fucktards that enters a
thread without reading any of it.
Yeah, you're a real prize, "gunner".
>
>Heads up fucktard..Im 57 yrs old.
Oh boy! Damned shame that you were such a pussy that you always kept
your head down below the bullet spray.
> I grew up with LBJ as president.
Which means nothing. I too was around during his administration.
>
>And only missed having him as my Commander in Chief by a year or so.
Oh boy! Did you come home with Kerry?
Just because you were around back then doesn't mean you knew a
goddamned thing about politics then either. It is obvious that you don't
know a goddamned thing about politics now. Especially with that third
grade dipshit mentality habit you have of calling everyone you dislike a
"left winger". Goddamned nutty fucktard idiots like you are what give my
party a bad name.
UltimatePatriot
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>You are a moron, Gunner. Don't you get it? They print the thing on the form
>in use at the time you request it.
In other words, absolutely NO provenance.
You are truly stupid to tout it as a valid 'certificate'.
An original birth certificate from that era looks just like mine did.
Very similar to a reverse color "sepia" blueprint technique.
What you should hunt for, Ed, is your brains, dumbass. Why? Because
YOU don't get it.
tm
"mpm" <mpmi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:df40295d-34a8-4a27...@q21g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
Um... "Mexican"? :)
It would ba an "undocumented democrat".
UltimatePatriot
The dumb little bastard is beyond retarded.
Ed Huntress
"UltimatePissant" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
news:qg37r6l23712hk6lr...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 17:59:32 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>You are a moron, Gunner. Don't you get it? They print the thing on the
>>form
>>in use at the time you request it.
>
> In other words, absolutely NO provenance.
Are you taking lessons in stupidity from Gunner? When you request a birth
certificate form in, say, 1990, for someone born in, say, 1961, and the form
was revised in 1985, what do you EXPECT the date of the form to be?
Is that too many pieces to keep in your brain at one time, Pissant?
>
> You are truly stupid to tout it as a valid 'certificate'.
You wouldn't know a "valid" certificate if it walked up and bit you
>
> An original birth certificate from that era looks just like mine did.
> Very similar to a reverse color "sepia" blueprint technique.
Oh, bullshit. I have two certificates -- one issued a week after I was born,
and another issued decades later, when my parents had mine and I needed one
to get a passport. They're both certified copies. The second one looks
almost like Obama's. You're just full of crap.
>
> What you should hunt for, Ed, is your brains, dumbass. Why? Because
> YOU don't get it.
Piss and moan all you want, Pissant. Like your name, your opinions are
irrelevant and impotent. Nothing is going to happen as a result of your
moaning, so you ought to save your energy for something else -- like getting
up the courage to use a real name.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
<dca...@krl.org> wrote in message
news:af8297b9-f588-4ad2...@r23g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
Phfffft. Tom commented on the people who were "stupid enough" to vote for
Obama because he is black and "just because they could." I replied that a
lot of people voted for him because they were alarmed at McCain's
flip-flopping. One website counted 61 major flip-flops by McCain -- many of
which couldn't be excused as changing one's mind, but obviously just
political expedients -- between the mid-90s and his 2008 run for president.
McCain, whom I supported strongly in 2000, has become an embarrassment to
many people who thought he was sensible and independent-minded. Now he looks
like a winter flounder -- mottled on one side, snow-white expedient nativist
on the other. Flip, flop...
--
Ed Huntress
UltimatePatriot
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Are you taking lessons in stupidity from Gunner?
Actually, he hates me, but I am sure he just loves the type of asshole
that you are.
> When you request a birth
>certificate form in, say, 1990, for someone born in, say, 1961, and the form
>was revised in 1985, what do you EXPECT the date of the form to be?
That is a certificate. IF they have the actual hard document (and the
hospital should) they can make a certified copy of that, IDIOT! Where is
it? Oh... that's right. The dog ate it.
>Is that too many pieces to keep in your brain at one time, Pissant?
You are an idiot.
UltimatePatriot
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>You wouldn't know a "valid" certificate if it walked up and bit you
I'd bet that you have been certified.
By a mental institute.
UltimatePatriot
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
> mottled on one side,
Your analogies are pathetic.
You are an abject idiot.
You have foundered.
Ed Huntress
"UltimatePatriot" <Ultimat...@thebestcountry.org> wrote in message
news:lab7r69hc6q6ablig...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 00:06:10 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>Are you taking lessons in stupidity from Gunner?
>
> Actually, he hates me, but I am sure he just loves the type of asshole
> that you are.
You're two peas in a pod, only you're more irrelevant, and thus you have a
fouler mouth. It must be the frustration that comes from being both
anonymous and impotent at the same time -- you're meaningless, and no one
even knows who it is that's being meaningless. You're like a fart in the
wind, and it appears to have had a bad effect on your personality.
>
>> When you request a birth
>>certificate form in, say, 1990, for someone born in, say, 1961, and the
>>form
>>was revised in 1985, what do you EXPECT the date of the form to be?
>
> That is a certificate. IF they have the actual hard document (and the
> hospital should) they can make a certified copy of that, IDIOT! Where is
> it? Oh... that's right. The dog ate it.
What do you mean "hard document"? Do you mean an official document, with
official signatures and official seals? That's what Obama produced. Do you
want one of those cute souvenir birth certificates, with the little
footprint on it? Even the state of NJ won't accept them to get a driver's
license.
>
>>Is that too many pieces to keep in your brain at one time, Pissant?
>
> You are an idiot.
Not really, but I seem to attract them like bottleflies and pissants. Maybe
it's because I'm such a sweet guy. d8-)
--
Ed Huntress
Bart!
<hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
> I'm such a sweet guy. d8-)
More like a gang boy retard.
Gunner Asch
<td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:
>mpm wrote:
>> Wow. I don't know what to make of that post.... ??
>> I will say this, you can lump a lot of white trash and [fill-in racial
>> background of your choice here] into your above position statement.
>> If you were to limit the statement to particular individuals, that is.
>>
>> Otherwise, you are (at best) making a one-to-many comparison flaw.
>> It is not appropriate to ascribe the characteristics of a group to
>> particular members of that group -- even if I were to accept your
>> premise, which I don't.
>>
>> I don't follow your last paragraph at all.
>> You sound like a racist and a xenophobe all rolled into one.
>
>What on Earth is so unclear? I said with all the African Americans in
>politics, almost all descendants of slaves, one of them should have been the
>first black president. That's racist? WTF is racist about that? I can
>think of several I'd vote for against almost any white guy. Is that racist
>too?
>
>That it was someone from a new immigrant family says the same thing about
>social development that is said by the fact that we have new immigrants from
>West Africa who are statistically much more successful than those who've
>been here for centuries. Is it racist when somebody points out that a lot
>of West Africans are successful in business or other fields? Or is it
>racist if someone says that descendants of slaves have some kind of social
>or emotional baggage that holds them back?
MPM is a knee jerk Leftwinger. And this time..he jerked his foot right
into his mouth.
Again.
Ed Huntress
"Bart!" <B@rt_The_Sheriff_Is_A_Nig***!.org> wrote in message
news:d5d7r6tlfk2rah96u...@4ax.com...
You anonymous cowards do have a limited vocabulary. You ought to squirt some
carburetor cleaner in that foul mouth of yours and see if it can be cleaned
up.
--
Ed Huntress
Tom Del Rosso
>
> What do you mean "hard document"? Do you mean an official document,
> with official signatures and official seals? That's what Obama
> produced. Do you want one of those cute souvenir birth certificates,
> with the little footprint on it? Even the state of NJ won't accept
> them to get a driver's license.
Do they accept "certificates of live birth"? I haven't heard anyone say yes
or no, but everything I've ever applied for that required several types of
documents, and listed what was acceptable, never mentioned that one.
Tom Del Rosso
>
> Phfffft. Tom commented on the people who were "stupid enough" to vote
> for Obama because he is black and "just because they could."
I said just to prove they could. Just because they could is not a motive.
> McCain, whom I supported strongly in 2000, has become an
> embarrassment to many people who thought he was sensible and
> independent-minded. Now he looks like a winter flounder -- mottled on
> one side, snow-white expedient nativist on the other. Flip, flop...
I'm glad I was always sensible enough not to think he was sensible.
Ed Huntress
"Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:ip0ff7$dco$1...@dont-email.me...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean "hard document"? Do you mean an official document,
>> with official signatures and official seals? That's what Obama
>> produced. Do you want one of those cute souvenir birth certificates,
>> with the little footprint on it? Even the state of NJ won't accept
>> them to get a driver's license.
>
> Do they accept "certificates of live birth"?
Heck. yes. That's a birth certificate. A "certificate of live birth" is
exactly what most states call it. But the government says there are 14,000
different forms used in the United States, by 6,000 issuing authorities. <g>
The thing that is weird here is that few, if any, states will issue you your
original record of birth. That's kept in your state, county, or municipal
vital records department. They issue copies with the essential data
transcribed -- usually called "Certificate of Live Birth" (NJ uses a
long-winded description, but the document looks the same), with the official
seal and the signature of the issuing authority.
Have you looked at yours? What does it say?
Many people think those things you get from the hospital or whatever are the
"real" birth certificate. They are not. They aren't even accepted as legal
documentation. The legal documentation is the Certificate of Live Birth, or
its equivalent, transcribed from the records document kept in state or
municipal records, and then certified by the issuing authority.
> I haven't heard anyone say yes or no, but everything I've ever applied
> for that required several types of documents, and listed what was
> acceptable, never mentioned that one.
They call it a birth certificate. That's what a "certificate of live birth"
is. Sheesh. This stuff is not hard to look up.
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> Phfffft. Tom commented on the people who were "stupid enough" to vote
>> for Obama because he is black and "just because they could."
>
> I said just to prove they could. Just because they could is not a motive.
Oh, there's a big difference. <g> Who were they "proving" it to? Themselves?
Nobody else really knows who they voted for.
>
>
>> McCain, whom I supported strongly in 2000, has become an
>> embarrassment to many people who thought he was sensible and
>> independent-minded. Now he looks like a winter flounder -- mottled on
>> one side, snow-white expedient nativist on the other. Flip, flop...
>
> I'm glad I was always sensible enough not to think he was sensible.
Well, his principled (I thought) stands on campaign finance, immigration
reform, and Roe v. Wade were evidence -- I thought -- of an
independent-minded Republican (which is what I am, FWIW). Before 2000, I
always thought his positions were individual and mavericky. Maybe because
they often agreed with my positions. d8-)
He's reversed himself on all of those and on a lot of other essential
issues. And his reversals tend to show up just as he's running for some
office, where his earlier positions would be too unpopular with that
particular electorate -- particularly in Arizona.
It's disgusting.
--
Ed Huntress
Gunner Asch
Humm...I was a member of the Young Republicans in 1968. So I had a
slight glimmer of politics at least that far back.
Climb down off your podium old boy..no one really cares about your
blowing and venting.
Gunner
Tom Del Rosso
>
> The thing that is weird here is that few, if any, states will issue
> you your original record of birth. That's kept in your state, county,
> or municipal vital records department. They issue copies with the
> essential data transcribed -- usually called "Certificate of Live
> Birth" (NJ uses a long-winded description, but the document looks the
> same), with the official seal and the signature of the issuing
> authority.
>
> Have you looked at yours? What does it say?
"Certificate of Birth" The "Live" part makes it sound vaguely like it has
some other official purpose.
It's a photocopy of the original, not transcribed, and it has the embossed
seal of the DOH of NYS.
A lot of people are probably suspicious because we expect to see a photocopy
of that original.
> They call it a birth certificate. That's what a "certificate of live
> birth" is. Sheesh. This stuff is not hard to look up.
Nor is it hard to get a copy, but it took a couple of years, so it's natural
that suspicion was raised.
Tom Del Rosso
> Oh, there's a big difference. <g> Who were they "proving" it to?
> Themselves? Nobody else really knows who they voted for.
Of course themselves. Just because they could implies indifference. There
is a distinction, although both are bad for different reasons.
I don't have to prove it to myself. Only to people who see racism
everywhere.
> It's disgusting.
I don't think it's disgusting, just pathetic that he has no philosophical
rudder. In contrast to Clinton, who had principles but his self-serving
nature was much stronger in every situation. That's disgusting.
It was always clear to me and other conservatives that if he believed those
things on principle he would have been a Democrat. That he was the only
Republican in the Keating 5 was also a clue, although he and Murtha diverged
a great deal. After Murtha's brush with scandal (To the FBI agent in
Abscam: "I can't take the money at this time because I don't know you") he
voted against every bill that enforced ethics, while McCain voted for them.
It indicates to me that McCain had no criminal intent but no real direction
at all, while Murtha had a criminal mentality.
Tom Del Rosso
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 00:06:10 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <hunt...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > Are you taking lessons in stupidity from Gunner?
>
> Actually, he hates me, but I am sure he just loves the type of
> asshole that you are.
I love the way everybody hates everybody.
Ed Huntress
"Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> The thing that is weird here is that few, if any, states will issue
>> you your original record of birth. That's kept in your state, county,
>> or municipal vital records department. They issue copies with the
>> essential data transcribed -- usually called "Certificate of Live
>> Birth" (NJ uses a long-winded description, but the document looks the
>> same), with the official seal and the signature of the issuing
>> authority.
>>
>> Have you looked at yours? What does it say?
>
> "Certificate of Birth" The "Live" part makes it sound vaguely like it has
> some other official purpose.
That's to distinguish it from the Certificate of Fetal Death. Both titles
were recommended to the states by the National Center for Health Statistics.
The states can use what they want. NJ does it with a lengthy prose
explanation. <g>
> It's a photocopy of the original, not transcribed, and it has the embossed
> seal of the DOH of NYS.
If it has the seal, that's fine. That's up to each state. But in NJ and most
other states, they don't photocopy the original. They transcribe it.
I just looked at my son's birth certificate, issued in 1987. It's not a
photocopy. It's transcribed, like both copies of mine.
>
> A lot of people are probably suspicious because we expect to see a
> photocopy of that original.
Some states use them, others do not. Hawaii does not allow the photocopying
of vital records documents.
>
>
>> They call it a birth certificate. That's what a "certificate of live
>> birth" is. Sheesh. This stuff is not hard to look up.
>
> Nor is it hard to get a copy, but it took a couple of years, so it's
> natural that suspicion was raised.
What do you mean "it took a couple of years"? Obama released it on June 12,
2008, just weeks after the chain e-mails started circulating with the
conspiracy theory (from Hillary Clinton supporters).
--
Ed Huntress
Ed Huntress
"Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
You're conflating "conservative" with "Republican." I'm a Republican, and
have been for decades. When I first registered, Republicans were much more
mixed, with many Eastern Republicans being moderate, or even liberal (like
Rockefeller and George Romney).
I always thought that McCain was conservative in general, but that he had a
moderate's pragmatic sensibilities and a fierce independence, like Ev
Dirksen. He was aware that ideological dogma didn't always provide the right
answer. The later years of Barry Goldwater provide an extreme example of
that posture -- a hard-core civil libertarian; a patriot but with no
nativist tendencies, who had a strong sense of what would work for the
country and what wouldn't (unlike the earlier incarnation of Goldwater).
Now the Republican Party is a hash of neocons, paleocons, the Religious
Right and jingoist/nativist types. To me, except perhaps for the paleos,
they're squatters. When Reagan opened up the tent, the right-wingers and
ideologues moved in and made themselves at home. He made some noises that
rang their chimes. Then Newt made them feel that they were the party itself,
instead of just interlopers.
--
Ed Huntress
dca...@krl.org
> Have you looked at yours? What does it say?
>
> Ed Huntress
Certification of Birth
It has the Birth Number , my name , date of birth, sex, place of
birth, the file date , the issue date, mothers maiden name, fathers
initials and a document number. It has the following statement.
" This is a true certification of name and birth facts as recorded in
this office." The name of the State Registrar and the name of the
person that issued it.
I do not think they issue a birth certificate for babies that are
still born.
It isn't as if the still born will be applying for a drivers license
or a social security card.
Dan
Tom Del Rosso
>
> You're conflating "conservative" with "Republican."
No I'm not. I meant what I said. "It was always clear to conservatives."
Tom Del Rosso
>
> What do you mean "it took a couple of years"? Obama released it on
> June 12, 2008, just weeks after the chain e-mails started circulating
> with the conspiracy theory (from Hillary Clinton supporters).
I didn't see it published then.
The dirtiest stuff always starts in primaries.
mpm
> >You are a moron, Gunner. Don't you get it? They print the thing on the form
> >in use at the time you request it.
>
> In other words, absolutely NO provenance.
>
> You are truly stupid to tout it as a valid 'certificate'.
>
> An original birth certificate from that era looks just like mine did.
> Very similar to a reverse color "sepia" blueprint technique.
>
> What you should hunt for, Ed, is your brains, dumbass. Why? Because
> YOU don't get it.
So I guess what you're saying is, if you (or your parents) lose your
original birth certificate and the court house burns down, there's no
way you can ever become President.
What percentage of otherwise elligible presidential candidates do you
think actually have their ORIGINAL birth certificate?
I'll bet it's pretty low.
Tom Del Rosso
>
> We've come a long way, but we have a long way to go. But it isn't
> entirely clear where you are. Maybe you'd like to explain it.
It looks like neither you nor mpm plan to respond to the clarifications you
both needed. I didn't explain it enough?
I recounted the story of the kid who borrowed the bike. That was a case of
giving the "benefit of the doubt", which some people apparently did when
they read my first post.
Tom Del Rosso
> Ed Huntress wrote:
> > "Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
> > > Ed Huntress wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "New line?"
> > >
> > > Something wrong with the term? What's an appropriate term for
> > > someone in a recently immigrated family?
> >
> > Yeah, there is. That would be a good term for a recently evolved
> > species of bacterium, but Obama's father is the same species as the
> > African Americans as well as the white people who had already been
> > here.
>
> That makes sense, but it should be clear I meant a new line of
> Americans, like the one my grandparents started. If it was easy to
> think of a better term you might have suggested a few.
I would add not only should it be clear, but it was clear.
Paul K. Dickman
"Tom Del Rosso" <td...@verizon.net.invalid> wrote in message
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean "hard document"? Do you mean an official document,
>> with official signatures and official seals? That's what Obama
>> produced. Do you want one of those cute souvenir birth certificates,
>> with the little footprint on it? Even the state of NJ won't accept
>> them to get a driver's license.
>
> Do they accept "certificates of live birth"? I haven't heard anyone say
> yes or no, but everything I've ever applied for that required several
> types of documents, and listed what was acceptable, never mentioned that
> one.
>
>
Look at the "Crackpotnetdaily" link the Gunner posted as an example of what
a real Hawaiian birth certificate looks like.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Down at the bottom they show you a "Photostat of Susan Nordyke's 1961 Hawaii
birth certificate"
You will notice three things:
1, Right at the top it says, "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH"
2, Right at the bottom it says that it is a COPY of the original
3, You will finally notice that the primary difference between this "Long
form" and the "Short form", is that the "short form" lacks the name of the
hospital and the occupation and birthplace of the parents. Probably because
none of that information is in any way relevant.
Paul K. Dickman