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Existential Angst
Dec 4, 2012, 5:32:40 PM12/4/12
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So far, +5 vs 0.
The latest:
Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
arbor vitaes.
Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds to
glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
Goodgawd....
Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
traumatic event for me.
If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there is
some corruption at work.
HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of 15
cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
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EA
The latest:
Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
arbor vitaes.
Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds to
glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
Goodgawd....
Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
traumatic event for me.
If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there is
some corruption at work.
HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of 15
cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
--
EA
Jon Elson
Dec 4, 2012, 5:58:45 PM12/4/12
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Existential Angst wrote:
> HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
> 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
Yup, an absolutely BRILLIANT strategy! Make sure no customer ever
> HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
> 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
sets foot in the store, and you won't need any of that expensive staff.
Jon
anorton
Dec 4, 2012, 6:03:48 PM12/4/12
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"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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line at the registers, the sales volume will always be limited (one way or
another) by the number of open registers times the rate at which the
checkers ring stuff up. If stores want to maximize sales, there should
never be a line. If there is any line at all, pausing the line for 5
minutes for a price check on a $2.00 item makes even less sense.
Lew Hodgett
Dec 4, 2012, 6:29:52 PM12/4/12
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"Existential Angst" wrote:
> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not
> ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm
> sure there is some corruption at work.
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> ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm
> sure there is some corruption at work.
You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
Poor baby.
Lew
Existential Angst
Dec 4, 2012, 7:20:31 PM12/4/12
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"Lew Hodgett" <sails...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there are
plenty in stock in Westchester County.
Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a dozen
varieties.
And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
And your point was......???
MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD is
ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably incorrect.
I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in
stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at HD.
My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no rhyme
intended.
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EA
>
> Lew
>
>
>
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plenty in stock in Westchester County.
Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a dozen
varieties.
And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
And your point was......???
MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD is
ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably incorrect.
I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in
stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at HD.
My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no rhyme
intended.
--
EA
>
> Lew
>
>
>
ATP
Dec 4, 2012, 8:26:37 PM12/4/12
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They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
Bob Engelhardt
Dec 4, 2012, 8:40:54 PM12/4/12
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On 12/4/2012 7:20 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
...
Recently I needed something and found it on the HD web site. Checked
the inventory for the closest store: 8 on hand. Went there & there was
none - very annoying. I emailed HD support with my story & they wrote
back: "You should call - the online system can get behind" (8 vs. 0 is
"behind", I'd say)*. To which I replied that what's the point of an
inventory check option if it's not accurate & I have to call anyhow.
She didn't get it. Actually, an online inventory check that makes the
some-none error is worse than no check at all, but I didn't try to
explain that to her.
Bob
* - she offered me 10% off my $10 item if I wanted to order it online (&
pay shipping & wait).
When I had a complaint at Lowes they gave me a $25 gift card.
...
> I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in
> stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at HD.
>...
> stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at HD.
Recently I needed something and found it on the HD web site. Checked
the inventory for the closest store: 8 on hand. Went there & there was
none - very annoying. I emailed HD support with my story & they wrote
back: "You should call - the online system can get behind" (8 vs. 0 is
"behind", I'd say)*. To which I replied that what's the point of an
inventory check option if it's not accurate & I have to call anyhow.
She didn't get it. Actually, an online inventory check that makes the
some-none error is worse than no check at all, but I didn't try to
explain that to her.
Bob
* - she offered me 10% off my $10 item if I wanted to order it online (&
pay shipping & wait).
When I had a complaint at Lowes they gave me a $25 gift card.
Bob La Londe
Dec 4, 2012, 8:48:48 PM12/4/12
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"Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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You know Home Depot has on-line interactive inventory. I look up what I
want on their website and then check the stores on-line to see if they have
it. Then I am not stuck with the vagaries of knowledge from a failed
contractor who works as a clerk at the store because they failed as a
contractor. If do need help in the store I look for the "old guy" who is
actually working.
If you mean the tree... arborvitae then they show 4 (1 discontinued) on-line
and they all say "on-line only." Took me about a minute to check.
The crappy pride in workmanship that you complain about is why I like to
check things myself if I can. I was raised that you do the job whatever it
is to the best of your ability no matter the wage. If you agreed to take
the money to do the job its immoral to do anything but a good job.
Ed Pawlowski
Dec 4, 2012, 11:23:12 PM12/4/12
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experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
Bob F
Dec 4, 2012, 11:59:52 PM12/4/12
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than at Lowes, and they always have them.
PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 5, 2012, 12:08:17 AM12/5/12
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"ATP" <walter...@unforgiven.com> wrote in message
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If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
Anyone see a pattern here ?
sheroz sani
Dec 5, 2012, 12:21:00 AM12/5/12
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Gunner
Dec 5, 2012, 3:06:38 AM12/5/12
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Soap and Grease Cleaner #87 as I recall.
HD said it was in stock in all their Bakersfield stores. No store
carried it. Pissed me off a bit, it did.
Gunner
The methodology of the left has always been:
1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
Bob Engelhardt
Dec 5, 2012, 8:51:24 AM12/5/12
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On 12/5/2012 12:08 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
...
>
> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
If you want plumbing and lumber and hardware, you go to 3 places? Bob
Jim Wilkins
Dec 5, 2012, 9:03:25 AM12/5/12
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jsw
news:k9njg...@news6.newsguy.com...
> On 12/5/2012 12:08 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
> If you want plumbing and lumber and hardware, you go to 3 places?
> Bob
When I worked down your way I went to O'Connors for everything.
> Bob
jsw
(PeteCresswell)
Dec 5, 2012, 9:22:31 AM12/5/12
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Per PrecisionmachinisT:
A long time ago, I was refitting the bathrooms in our house with
new faucets.
I bought cartridge-operated ones from Kmart.
The same day, I went to a plumbing-supply store to buy a Delta
brand lever-operated faucet for the kitchen sink.
Out of curiosity, I put one of the KMart faucets on the counter
and asked "What's the difference between this and Delta?".
The guy behind the counter got red in the face and almost shouted
"*This* is quality and *that* is SHIT!"
It's been 30+ years since that day and I've never had a problem
with any of the bathroom faucets. Then I noticed that the local
gym where I went for 10+ years used the same faucets.
OTOH, I've had to rebuild the Delta faucet in the kitchen at
least five times..... -)
--
Pete Cresswell
>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
This is probably totally moot to anybody's point but...
A long time ago, I was refitting the bathrooms in our house with
new faucets.
I bought cartridge-operated ones from Kmart.
The same day, I went to a plumbing-supply store to buy a Delta
brand lever-operated faucet for the kitchen sink.
Out of curiosity, I put one of the KMart faucets on the counter
and asked "What's the difference between this and Delta?".
The guy behind the counter got red in the face and almost shouted
"*This* is quality and *that* is SHIT!"
It's been 30+ years since that day and I've never had a problem
with any of the bathroom faucets. Then I noticed that the local
gym where I went for 10+ years used the same faucets.
OTOH, I've had to rebuild the Delta faucet in the kitchen at
least five times..... -)
--
Pete Cresswell
(PeteCresswell)
Dec 5, 2012, 9:25:18 AM12/5/12
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Per Ed Pawlowski:
come way, way up in recent years.
Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
stock was very low.
Now I practically have to fend them off.
Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
--
Pete Cresswell
>
>Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
>Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
come way, way up in recent years.
Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
stock was very low.
Now I practically have to fend them off.
Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
--
Pete Cresswell
George
Dec 5, 2012, 10:07:59 AM12/5/12
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We have two local garden centers that have great service with better
quality plants and lower prices than big box.
Pete C.
Dec 5, 2012, 10:16:25 AM12/5/12
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reality is that by going to the three specific places you will 1. find
everything you need, 2. find higher quality products 3. get better
customer service.
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 5, 2012, 10:20:21 AM12/5/12
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Existential Angst
Dec 5, 2012, 10:48:14 AM12/5/12
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"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
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You musta missed my response to Lew Hodgett..... HD gets it wrong *without
fail*.
But, anyway, what would pass statistical muster, in a HD/Lowes comparison,
O Statistical Swami??
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EA
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fail*.
But, anyway, what would pass statistical muster, in a HD/Lowes comparison,
O Statistical Swami??
--
EA
Existential Angst
Dec 5, 2012, 10:58:43 AM12/5/12
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True, I have little bad to say about the front-line help, given their
abilities. They try, but still, informational and organizational chaos
persists.
But I think you cite pure coincidence in the stock price vs. the help.
But, holy shit, indeed, the price doubled in one year!!
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHD&ei=SW2_UKjCK4Ll0QHyUA
Which makes the chaos inexcusable. But understandable and perhaps
inevitable: HD can now do whateverTF they want, and there's not a fukn
thing you or me can do about it.
Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local, but too
often the price differential -- and the irritating convenience of HD --
prevails.
Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck ourselves, we
fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro the bank.
--
EA
> --
> Pete Cresswell
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abilities. They try, but still, informational and organizational chaos
persists.
But I think you cite pure coincidence in the stock price vs. the help.
But, holy shit, indeed, the price doubled in one year!!
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHD&ei=SW2_UKjCK4Ll0QHyUA
Which makes the chaos inexcusable. But understandable and perhaps
inevitable: HD can now do whateverTF they want, and there's not a fukn
thing you or me can do about it.
Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local, but too
often the price differential -- and the irritating convenience of HD --
prevails.
Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck ourselves, we
fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro the bank.
--
EA
> --
> Pete Cresswell
PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 5, 2012, 11:04:47 AM12/5/12
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PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 5, 2012, 11:09:14 AM12/5/12
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"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
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Which means not having to walk a mile and a half trying to find something.
And being able to drive right up to the lumber rack and having someone else
load it for me certainly doesn't hurt matters either.
Existential Angst
Dec 5, 2012, 11:43:47 AM12/5/12
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"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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--
EA
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> On Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:40:54 -0500, Bob Engelhardt
> <bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 12/4/2012 7:20 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
>>...
>>> I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in
>>> stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at HD.
>>>...
>>
>>Recently I needed something and found it on the HD web site. Checked
>>the inventory for the closest store: 8 on hand. Went there & there was
>>none - very annoying. I emailed HD support with my story & they wrote
>>back: "You should call - the online system can get behind" (8 vs. 0 is
>>"behind", I'd say)*. To which I replied that what's the point of an
>>inventory check option if it's not accurate & I have to call anyhow.
>>She didn't get it. Actually, an online inventory check that makes the
>>some-none error is worse than no check at all, but I didn't try to
>>explain that to her.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>* - she offered me 10% off my $10 item if I wanted to order it online (&
>>pay shipping & wait).
>>
>>When I had a complaint at Lowes they gave me a $25 gift card.
>
> I had the same problem last weekend. Looking for Roebek Septic Tank
> Soap and Grease Cleaner #87 as I recall.
>
> HD said it was in stock in all their Bakersfield stores. No store
> carried it. Pissed me off a bit, it did.
Yup. Get used to it.
> <bobeng...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On 12/4/2012 7:20 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
>>...
>>> I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out it was in
>>> stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at HD.
>>>...
>>
>>Recently I needed something and found it on the HD web site. Checked
>>the inventory for the closest store: 8 on hand. Went there & there was
>>none - very annoying. I emailed HD support with my story & they wrote
>>back: "You should call - the online system can get behind" (8 vs. 0 is
>>"behind", I'd say)*. To which I replied that what's the point of an
>>inventory check option if it's not accurate & I have to call anyhow.
>>She didn't get it. Actually, an online inventory check that makes the
>>some-none error is worse than no check at all, but I didn't try to
>>explain that to her.
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>* - she offered me 10% off my $10 item if I wanted to order it online (&
>>pay shipping & wait).
>>
>>When I had a complaint at Lowes they gave me a $25 gift card.
>
> I had the same problem last weekend. Looking for Roebek Septic Tank
> Soap and Grease Cleaner #87 as I recall.
>
> HD said it was in stock in all their Bakersfield stores. No store
> carried it. Pissed me off a bit, it did.
--
EA
nob...@nowhere.net
Dec 5, 2012, 11:58:46 AM12/5/12
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Price: $18.92 Eligible for free shipping with Amazon Prime.
Bob Engelhardt
Dec 5, 2012, 12:59:27 PM12/5/12
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On 12/5/2012 9:03 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> When I worked down your way I went to O'Connors for everything.
O'Connors is great - I pay a little more there in the hope that it will
> When I worked down your way I went to O'Connors for everything.
help them be there forever.
Bob
Stanley Schaefer
Dec 5, 2012, 4:13:18 PM12/5/12
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On Dec 4, 3:32 pm, "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> So far, +5 vs 0.
>
> The latest:
>
> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
> with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
> arbor vitaes.
>
> Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds to
> glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
> Goodgawd....
>
> Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
> traumatic event for me.
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there is
> some corruption at work.
>
> HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of 15
> cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
> --
> So far, +5 vs 0.
>
> The latest:
>
> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
> with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
> arbor vitaes.
>
> Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds to
> glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
> Goodgawd....
>
> Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
> traumatic event for me.
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there is
> some corruption at work.
>
> HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of 15
> cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
> EA
With both Lowes and HD, I check online to see if 1) they have anything
close to what I want and 2) if it's in stock in the myriad of stores
in the area. In some cases, I've seen that they had adequate stock
online only to get over to a specific store and find that somebody's
cleaned them out between the time I looked and my arrival. So I go
hit another. Must have at least a dozen of each in the area, three or
four on the way home from work. For those items they don't carry or
for a quick trip, Ace is closer and has more oddball stuff, usually
higher prices, too. I can usually get floor droids to answer my
questions at both Lowes and HD, the local HDs were hiring guys with
trades experience for floor workers at one time. If you're getting
crappy service at HD, complain to the head office. Might be a local
management change is needed. And the HDs here have self-checkout, no
lines at those, usually. Lowes doesn't, but opens up checkouts as
needed.
Stan
Lew Hodgett
Dec 5, 2012, 5:42:55 PM12/5/12
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"Existential Angst" wrote:
> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> <snip>
> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not
> ONE Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm
> sure there is some corruption at work.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>
> Poor baby.
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> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>
> Poor baby.
"Existential Angst" wrote:
> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar,
> there are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
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> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar,
> there are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
Arbor Vitaes are garbage shrubs.
Grow like weeds and are difficult to trim and maintain.
Have a useful life of about 10 years if you're lucky.
About the only thing they have going for them is cost.
They are dirt cheap compared to Yews or similar shrubs.
Lew
Gunner
Dec 5, 2012, 6:09:55 PM12/5/12
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:16:25 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
wrote:
And quite often..better prices.
Fergusens is a large plumbing supply company, at least here in
California.
I can buy black or galvanized pipe and fittings at any Fergies for
1/2-2/3 the cost of HD or Lowes.
http://www.ferguson.com/locations-finder
wrote:
Fergusens is a large plumbing supply company, at least here in
California.
I can buy black or galvanized pipe and fittings at any Fergies for
1/2-2/3 the cost of HD or Lowes.
http://www.ferguson.com/locations-finder
Gunner
Dec 5, 2012, 6:13:11 PM12/5/12
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http://www.amazon.com/Roebic-Laboratories-K-87-4-32-Ounce-Digester/dp/B000BQP2V0
Roebic Laboratories, Inc. K-87-4 32-Ounce Soap Digester
(PeteCresswell)
Dec 5, 2012, 7:15:16 PM12/5/12
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Per Lew Hodgett:
I took a bunch of cuttings from my parent's house at the Jersey
shore, planted them along the sides of our house about 30 years
ago and they've been doing fine ever since with little or no
attention. *Really* poor soil: solid shale with a few inches of
clay and rocks over it.
OTOH, maybe the deer feeding on them over the winter has
something to do with the low maintenance..... -)
I wake up at nite sometimes when I leave the window open to
"Chomp, chomp, slurp, slurp.....". First time it about scared
me to death.
--
Pete Cresswell
>Arbor Vitaes are garbage shrubs.
>
>Grow like weeds and are difficult to trim and maintain.
>
>Have a useful life of about 10 years if you're lucky.
>
>About the only thing they have going for them is cost.
Might be a location/climate thing.
>
>Grow like weeds and are difficult to trim and maintain.
>
>Have a useful life of about 10 years if you're lucky.
>
>About the only thing they have going for them is cost.
I took a bunch of cuttings from my parent's house at the Jersey
shore, planted them along the sides of our house about 30 years
ago and they've been doing fine ever since with little or no
attention. *Really* poor soil: solid shale with a few inches of
clay and rocks over it.
OTOH, maybe the deer feeding on them over the winter has
something to do with the low maintenance..... -)
I wake up at nite sometimes when I leave the window open to
"Chomp, chomp, slurp, slurp.....". First time it about scared
me to death.
--
Pete Cresswell
(PeteCresswell)
Dec 5, 2012, 7:18:44 PM12/5/12
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Per Stanley Schaefer:
signature.
OTOH, the Lowe's I used to go to has the poorest checkout scheme
I've ever seen. Ironically, it is across from Target - which has
the fastest, slickest checkout scheme I have seen.
--
Pete Cresswell
> Might be a local
>management change is needed. And the HDs here have self-checkout, no
>lines at those, usually. Lowes doesn't, but opens up checkouts as
>needed.
On credit card sales under $50, our HD does not even want a
>management change is needed. And the HDs here have self-checkout, no
>lines at those, usually. Lowes doesn't, but opens up checkouts as
>needed.
signature.
OTOH, the Lowe's I used to go to has the poorest checkout scheme
I've ever seen. Ironically, it is across from Target - which has
the fastest, slickest checkout scheme I have seen.
--
Pete Cresswell
Larry
Dec 5, 2012, 7:20:12 PM12/5/12
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"PrecisionmachinisT" <precisionm...@notmail.com>
wrote in
news:wMCdnY_dqaBYSyPN...@scnresearch.com:
...And if you see me in a Home Depot (or Lowe's) I have hit
rock bottom and have no other choice.
wrote in
news:wMCdnY_dqaBYSyPN...@scnresearch.com:
rock bottom and have no other choice.
Lew Hodgett
Dec 5, 2012, 7:37:16 PM12/5/12
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My comments based on events in NE Ohio (Metro Cleveland)
which has weather similar to NJ, but probably closer to CT.
Soil was basically clay that had the top soil stripped during
construction
of the development.
Lots of mulch along with some fertilizer helped things along.
No deer to keep things trimmed back then.
Lew
Pete C.
Dec 5, 2012, 7:45:24 PM12/5/12
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manufacturer's line, the stuff that will last a short while and then
send the consumer back for a replacement. The trade supply houses deal
with the upper end of the manufacturer's product line, the ones that
will last a long time and not result in unpaid callbacks after the
plumber/carpenter/electrician has installed the product.
woodstuff
Dec 5, 2012, 8:03:04 PM12/5/12
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"Existential Angst" wrote
Home Depot encourages homosexuals.
I try to avoid HD because they don't share my beliefs. Please follow this
link below and see if you agree. My principle is that homosexuality is a
sin. Professing homosexuals constitute 3.7% of the US population but they
seem to make a lot of noise. God has spoken and shown His judgement in
Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.
Those without a cloo about God or His Word will immediately jump in like an
idiot and say I am "judging". The same people will say that I am
"intolerant". I am merely evaluating behavior and noting that God approves
or not; God already judged. I tolerate those who sin. I am not sure that
their behavior is any worse than any other sin, my own sins included.
However, I try not to give encouragement to any sin, as Home Depot does.
http://action.afa.net/item.aspx?id=2147496231
> So far, +5 vs 0.
> The latest:
*respectfully snipped*
> The latest:
Home Depot encourages homosexuals.
I try to avoid HD because they don't share my beliefs. Please follow this
link below and see if you agree. My principle is that homosexuality is a
sin. Professing homosexuals constitute 3.7% of the US population but they
seem to make a lot of noise. God has spoken and shown His judgement in
Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.
Those without a cloo about God or His Word will immediately jump in like an
idiot and say I am "judging". The same people will say that I am
"intolerant". I am merely evaluating behavior and noting that God approves
or not; God already judged. I tolerate those who sin. I am not sure that
their behavior is any worse than any other sin, my own sins included.
However, I try not to give encouragement to any sin, as Home Depot does.
http://action.afa.net/item.aspx?id=2147496231
Larry Jaques
Dec 5, 2012, 8:07:28 PM12/5/12
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:09:55 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:16:25 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/5/2012 12:08 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>> >
>>> > If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>> >
>>> > If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>> >
>>> > If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>> ...
>>>
>>> If you want plumbing and lumber and hardware, you go to 3 places? Bob
>>
>>Generally, yes. While on the surface it may seem like extra effort, the
>>reality is that by going to the three specific places you will 1. find
>>everything you need, 2. find higher quality products 3. get better
>>customer service.
>
>And quite often..better prices.
>
>Fergusens is a large plumbing supply company, at least here in
>California.
>
>I can buy black or galvanized pipe and fittings at any Fergies for
>1/2-2/3 the cost of HD or Lowes.
>
>http://www.ferguson.com/locations-finder
Ditto Grover for electrical and plumbing supplies here in OR.
Better pricing, higher quality, better selection. Win/Win.
--
...in order that a man may be happy, it is
necessary that he should not only be capable
of his work, but a good judge of his work.
-- John Ruskin
wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:16:25 -0600, "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/5/2012 12:08 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>> >
>>> > If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>> >
>>> > If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>> >
>>> > If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>> ...
>>>
>>> If you want plumbing and lumber and hardware, you go to 3 places? Bob
>>
>>Generally, yes. While on the surface it may seem like extra effort, the
>>reality is that by going to the three specific places you will 1. find
>>everything you need, 2. find higher quality products 3. get better
>>customer service.
>
>And quite often..better prices.
>
>Fergusens is a large plumbing supply company, at least here in
>California.
>
>I can buy black or galvanized pipe and fittings at any Fergies for
>1/2-2/3 the cost of HD or Lowes.
>
>http://www.ferguson.com/locations-finder
Better pricing, higher quality, better selection. Win/Win.
--
...in order that a man may be happy, it is
necessary that he should not only be capable
of his work, but a good judge of his work.
-- John Ruskin
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Dec 5, 2012, 8:13:41 PM12/5/12
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>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>
>
>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>
>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>
Someone has some brains.
>
If I just need a single something plumbin-wize I'll go to HD, Canadian
Tire, or Home Hardware. If I need anything specialized or any amount,
it's over to Marks Supply.
Electrical? Little stuff, the above. Anything specialized or any amout
- over to Guilevans orWesco or whatever.
Hardware? depends - usually Home Hardware or Canadian Tire - HD if I'm
headed that direction -
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Dec 5, 2012, 8:19:39 PM12/5/12
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 09:22:31 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid>
wrote:
Not at ALL impressed with Delta, myself.
I like Price Pfister - have had very good results with their products
over the years. The old Waltec stuff was good too.
wrote:
I like Price Pfister - have had very good results with their products
over the years. The old Waltec stuff was good too.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Dec 5, 2012, 8:20:48 PM12/5/12
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:07:59 -0500, George <geo...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Locally, Kitchener Waterloo Ontario, at least six
wrote:
DoN. Nichols
Dec 5, 2012, 8:19:54 PM12/5/12
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On 2012-12-05, Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> "Pete C." wrote:
>>
>> Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>> >
>> > On 12/5/2012 12:08 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
[ ... list snipped ... ]
>
> "Pete C." wrote:
>>
>> Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>> >
>> > On 12/5/2012 12:08 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>> > If you want plumbing and lumber and hardware, you go to 3 places? Bob
>>
>> Generally, yes. While on the surface it may seem like extra effort, the
>> reality is that by going to the three specific places you will 1. find
>> everything you need, 2. find higher quality products 3. get better
>> customer service.
>
>
> By that logic, you should deal directly with every manufacturer.
might. But they want larger quantities than my individual purchases
usually involve, and I can understand that, too.
So a good store dedicated to the subset of interest (electrical
contractors, plumbing, lumber, hardware, etc) is often better than a
do-it-all-poorly place like HD. (But sometimes, I *have* to deal with
them. :-(
Enjoy,
DoN.
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Dec 5, 2012, 8:16:20 PM12/5/12
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In article <2YqdnQ54Qtz9HCPN...@earthlink.com>,
ano...@removethis.ix.netcom.com says...
> news:50be7a09$0$1253$607e...@cv.net...
> > EA
> >
>
> What some stores grasp and most others do not is that if there is always a
> line at the registers, the sales volume will always be limited (one way or
> another) by the number of open registers times the rate at which the
> checkers ring stuff up. If stores want to maximize sales, there should
> never be a line. If there is any line at all, pausing the line for 5
> minutes for a price check on a $2.00 item makes even less sense.
There's actually a whole branch of math that deals in optimal strategies
for managing checkout lines and the like. Google "Queuing Theory".
ano...@removethis.ix.netcom.com says...
> news:50be7a09$0$1253$607e...@cv.net...
> > So far, +5 vs 0.
> >
> > The latest:
> >
> > Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> > Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
> > with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
> > arbor vitaes.
> >
> > Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds
> > to glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
> > Goodgawd....
> >
> > Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
> > traumatic event for me.
> > If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> > Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there
> > is some corruption at work.
> >
> > HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> > and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> > corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
> > 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
> > --
> >
> > The latest:
> >
> > Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
> > Spent 1/2 hr on the phone -- 30 solid minutes of mostly waiting on hold --
> > with HD, 4 different people, 2 hangups, 3 diff. stories. Ultimately, no
> > arbor vitaes.
> >
> > Called Lowes: No arbor vitaes, either. But, it only took me 20 seconds
> > to glean this info. Boom, bang, done.
> > Goodgawd....
> >
> > Unfortly, no Lowes conventient to me, gotta pay a toll to NJ, always a
> > traumatic event for me.
> > If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
> > Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure there
> > is some corruption at work.
> >
> > HD is sumpn else.... I think shit service is their own personal artform,
> > and I think managers are rewarded for it, bec undoubtedly shit service
> > corresponds highly with cost savings for them. I'm sure seeing 3 out of
> > 15 cashiers open, with long lines on each, just warms Management's heart.
> > EA
> >
>
> What some stores grasp and most others do not is that if there is always a
> line at the registers, the sales volume will always be limited (one way or
> another) by the number of open registers times the rate at which the
> checkers ring stuff up. If stores want to maximize sales, there should
> never be a line. If there is any line at all, pausing the line for 5
> minutes for a price check on a $2.00 item makes even less sense.
There's actually a whole branch of math that deals in optimal strategies
for managing checkout lines and the like. Google "Queuing Theory".
Gunner
Dec 5, 2012, 9:02:02 PM12/5/12
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ATP
Dec 5, 2012, 9:25:44 PM12/5/12
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> Bob Engelhardt wrote:
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 12:08 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>> >
>>
>> On 12/5/2012 12:08 AM, PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>> >
>> > If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>> >
>> >
>> > If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>> >
>> > If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>> >
>> > If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>> ...
>>
>> If you want plumbing and lumber and hardware, you go to 3 places? Bob
>
> Generally, yes. While on the surface it may seem like extra effort, the
> reality is that by going to the three specific places you will 1. find
> everything you need, 2. find higher quality products 3. get better
> customer service.
Not always possible if you work for a living during the day. If I can get to
>>
>> If you want plumbing and lumber and hardware, you go to 3 places? Bob
>
> Generally, yes. While on the surface it may seem like extra effort, the
> reality is that by going to the three specific places you will 1. find
> everything you need, 2. find higher quality products 3. get better
> customer service.
a legitimate pumbing supply I do, the prices are cheaper than HD, although
much of the stock is the same as they supply HD with most of the name brand
fixtures, burners, etc.. Taco, for example, does not make a different
circulator for HD. The bottom end faucets straight from China are a
different story.
woodstuff
Dec 5, 2012, 9:57:27 PM12/5/12
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HD doesn't get my business often, but only in situations where I can't get
to town right away. It is a compromise that I have to make. And I make
other compromises when there is no other game in town.
Many more people than you might think really care. The fact that you don't
care can't be fairly projected into most other people, but only to those
close to you. The majority of people have chosen to adopt Godly principles
to their lives and to learn about good and evil, right and wrong, etc.
Sadly, most people do not live up to their beliefs, including me. I do
acknowledge that there are increasing masses of people like yourself who
make all the noise and get most of the attention of the socialist media.
btw, Atheism is a religion.
to town right away. It is a compromise that I have to make. And I make
other compromises when there is no other game in town.
Many more people than you might think really care. The fact that you don't
care can't be fairly projected into most other people, but only to those
close to you. The majority of people have chosen to adopt Godly principles
to their lives and to learn about good and evil, right and wrong, etc.
Sadly, most people do not live up to their beliefs, including me. I do
acknowledge that there are increasing masses of people like yourself who
make all the noise and get most of the attention of the socialist media.
btw, Atheism is a religion.
PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 5, 2012, 9:57:39 PM12/5/12
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I kind of like leyland cypress for that sort of thing but admittedly, they
take up a bit more space.
take up a bit more space.
k...@at.biz
Dec 5, 2012, 10:00:13 PM12/5/12
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:08:17 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
<precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>"ATP" <walter...@unforgiven.com> wrote in message
>news:50bea2cd$0$9831$607e...@cv.net...
>>
<precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>"ATP" <walter...@unforgiven.com> wrote in message
>news:50bea2cd$0$9831$607e...@cv.net...
>>
>> "Existential Angst" <fit...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:50be9350$0$1228$607e...@cv.net...
>>> "Lew Hodgett" <sails...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:50be876f$0$27107$c3e8da3$92d0...@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> "Existential Angst" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Had a last min. need for Arbor Vitaes, for some privacy issues.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> If you google Westchester County, NY, you'll see 500 HDs, and not ONE
>>>>> Lowes.... I don't know what (or who) is behind that, but I'm sure
>>>>> there is some corruption at work.
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> You expected to find garbage shrubs in stock in Westchester County.
>>>>
>>>> Poor baby.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poor baby.
>>>
>>> Don't know what your point is, but if you want to pay top dollar, there
>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>>> are plenty in stock in Westchester County.
>>> Sprain Brook has 8 footers for $450.... perty 'spensive garbage, eh?
>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
>>>
>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
>>> dozen varieties.
>>>
>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
>>> And your point was......???
>>>
>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>>> HD.
>>>
>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
>>> rhyme intended.
>>> --
>>> EA
>>>
>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
>
>>> Windy Farms has'em for $65, but full sun only.
>>>
>>> HD had'em for $20-35, depending on the type. And, there are proly a
>>> dozen varieties.
>>>
>>> And yeah, it's late in the season.... so I took a shot....
>>> And your point was......???
>>>
>>> MY point was, 20 sec vs. 30 mins, plain and simple....
>>> AND, this is not an isolated case. Getting info over the phone from HD
>>> is ALWAYS, without exception, a nightmare, and *almost* invariably
>>> incorrect. I've had them tell me stuff was NOT in stock, and it turns out
>>> it was in stock. Of course, much more the opposite case. Never fails at
>>> HD.
>>>
>>> My conclusion is that shoddy service has become a sport with them. Esp.
>>> over here, where there are no Lowes to keep them on their toes -- no
>>> rhyme intended.
>>> --
>>> EA
>>>
>> They're not set up to spend a lot of time with phone calls. That's part of
>> the reason the prices are low. WRT Lowe's, the stores in the NY Metro area
>> are much newer than HD, but more oriented toward women. They are seriously
>> deficient in hardcore plumbing fittings, for example.
>
>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
Many don't sell to the general public.
>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>
tiredofspam
Dec 5, 2012, 10:38:38 PM12/5/12
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On 12/5/2012 9:25 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>>
>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>
> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
> come way, way up in recent years.
>
> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>
> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
> stock was very low.
>
> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>
> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>
Wish that were the case by my HD and Lowes.
Neither has enough people. When you can't find something, you can't get
an answer either.
Most of the stores around here are understaffed.
> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>>
>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>
> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
> come way, way up in recent years.
>
> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>
> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
> stock was very low.
>
> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>
> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>
Wish that were the case by my HD and Lowes.
Neither has enough people. When you can't find something, you can't get
an answer either.
Most of the stores around here are understaffed.
tiredofspam
Dec 5, 2012, 10:40:48 PM12/5/12
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On 12/5/2012 10:58 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote in message
> news:p5mub8prtmhe8v15f...@4ax.com...
> abilities. They try, but still, informational and organizational chaos
> persists.
>
> But I think you cite pure coincidence in the stock price vs. the help.
> But, holy shit, indeed, the price doubled in one year!!
> http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHD&ei=SW2_UKjCK4Ll0QHyUA
>
> Which makes the chaos inexcusable. But understandable and perhaps
> inevitable: HD can now do whateverTF they want, and there's not a fukn
> thing you or me can do about it.
>
> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local, but too
> often the price differential -- and the irritating convenience of HD --
> prevails.
> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck ourselves, we
> fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro the bank.
>
wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how to
speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to really
prove your an idiot, keep cursing.
> "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> wrote in message
> news:p5mub8prtmhe8v15f...@4ax.com...
>> Per Ed Pawlowski:
>>>
>>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>>
>> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
>> come way, way up in recent years.
>>
>> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>>
>> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
>> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
>> stock was very low.
>>
>> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>>
>> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>
> True, I have little bad to say about the front-line help, given their
>>>
>>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
>>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
>>
>> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
>> come way, way up in recent years.
>>
>> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
>>
>> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
>> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
>> stock was very low.
>>
>> Now I practically have to fend them off.
>>
>> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
>
> abilities. They try, but still, informational and organizational chaos
> persists.
>
> But I think you cite pure coincidence in the stock price vs. the help.
> But, holy shit, indeed, the price doubled in one year!!
> http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AHD&ei=SW2_UKjCK4Ll0QHyUA
>
> Which makes the chaos inexcusable. But understandable and perhaps
> inevitable: HD can now do whateverTF they want, and there's not a fukn
> thing you or me can do about it.
>
> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local, but too
> often the price differential -- and the irritating convenience of HD --
> prevails.
> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck ourselves, we
> fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro the bank.
>
wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how to
speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to really
prove your an idiot, keep cursing.
Existential Angst
Dec 5, 2012, 11:22:50 PM12/5/12
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"tiredofspam" <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:-YWdnaW5_-RZjl3N...@ptd.net...
Obscenity begets profanity.... pretty much dat simple.
Sorta like fighting clean in a street fight -- dudn't make much sense, now,
does it?
If YOU are not driven to the point of profanity, then you proly don't really
understand the true depth of the problem.
Toughen up, dood.... it's way past the point of being polite, it's time to
get effing mad.
Oh, btw, that would be "you're an idiot", not "your an idiot"....
If you want to prove your an idiot, keep on not proofreading you're shit....
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news:-YWdnaW5_-RZjl3N...@ptd.net...
Sorta like fighting clean in a street fight -- dudn't make much sense, now,
does it?
If YOU are not driven to the point of profanity, then you proly don't really
understand the true depth of the problem.
Toughen up, dood.... it's way past the point of being polite, it's time to
get effing mad.
Oh, btw, that would be "you're an idiot", not "your an idiot"....
If you want to prove your an idiot, keep on not proofreading you're shit....
--
EA
Gunner
Dec 6, 2012, 4:02:24 AM12/6/12
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>
>btw, Atheism is a religion.
Atheism is just another faith based religious belief
>btw, Atheism is a religion.
Gunner, Buddhist
Gunner
Dec 6, 2012, 4:05:00 AM12/6/12
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stores and plumbing supply houses.
They wont sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
Gunner
Gunner
Dec 6, 2012, 4:06:07 AM12/6/12
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On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:38:38 -0500, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
wrote:
Thats one of the reasons they offer lower prices than the other
stores..and why they try to get folks to do the self checkout. Keeps
their personal expenses down.
wrote:
stores..and why they try to get folks to do the self checkout. Keeps
their personal expenses down.
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 6, 2012, 10:50:32 AM12/6/12
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Gunner wrote:
>
> On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:38:38 -0500, tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On 12/5/2012 9:25 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
> >> Per Ed Pawlowski:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah so? Next week if you call the roles may be reversed. Your
> >>> experience with one store from each chain proves nothing.
> >>
> >> Somebody who follows stock prices told me that HD's stock has
> >> come way, way up in recent years.
> >>
> >> Seemed to me like that coincided with local HD's service level.
> >>
> >> Used to be that when an employee saw me, they'd try to duck into
> >> another aisle to avoid answering a question. That's when the
> >> stock was very low.
> >>
> >> Now I practically have to fend them off.
> >>
> >> Sounds like an upper-level management change to me.
> >>
> >Wish that were the case by my HD and Lowes.
> >Neither has enough people. When you can't find something, you can't get
> >an answer either.
> >
> >Most of the stores around here are understaffed.
>
> Thats one of the reasons they offer lower prices than the other
> stores..and why they try to get folks to do the self checkout. Keeps
> their personal expenses down.
Sad, isn't it?
Around here, Lowe's offers a 10% Veteran's discount.
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 6, 2012, 10:54:12 AM12/6/12
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business license, and tax certificate before you could set up an
account. One now has very few customers, and a lot of 'OPEN TO THE
PUBLIC!!!' But after 25+ years of telling people to go away, they are in
no hurry to deal with them.
pyotr filipivich
Dec 6, 2012, 12:52:15 PM12/6/12
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Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:05:00 -0800 typed
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
home, even.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.
in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>>>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>
>>Many don't sell to the general public.
>>
>>>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>
>>I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>>
>>>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>
>>They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>>
>>>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>>
>>Sure. You're living in the past.
>
>Pretty much depends on where you life. Lots of lumberyards, hardware
>stores and plumbing supply houses.
>
>They wont sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
>someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
And you can get business cards printed all sorts of places. Or at
>>>If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>>
>>Many don't sell to the general public.
>>
>>>If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>>
>>I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>>
>>>If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>>
>>They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>>
>>>Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>>
>>Sure. You're living in the past.
>
>Pretty much depends on where you life. Lots of lumberyards, hardware
>stores and plumbing supply houses.
>
>They wont sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
>someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
home, even.
tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.
k...@at.biz
Dec 6, 2012, 12:56:40 PM12/6/12
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:05:00 -0800, Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Pretty much.
>Lots of lumberyards, hardware stores and plumbing supply houses.
I haven't even seen a real lumber yard or what I'd call a real
hardware store in years. I never frequented plumbing supply houses -
they didn't like walk-in business so I always avoided them.
>They wont sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
>someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
>Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
to take my dead presidents).
wrote:
>Lots of lumberyards, hardware stores and plumbing supply houses.
hardware store in years. I never frequented plumbing supply houses -
they didn't like walk-in business so I always avoided them.
>They wont sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
>someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
>Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
to take my dead presidents).
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 6, 2012, 2:03:52 PM12/6/12
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rejects.
> >They won't sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
> >someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
>
> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>
> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
>
> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
> to take my dead presidents).
The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.
>
> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>
> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
>
> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
> to take my dead presidents).
They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
:)
We weren't doing any HVAC work, we needed to block the sides of the
water chillers on the transmitter to bring the coolant to normal
operating temperature, before we flushed the transmitter and refilled it
with distilled water & antifreeze.
HeyBub
Dec 6, 2012, 5:25:01 PM12/6/12
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tiredofspam wrote:
>>
>> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local,
>> but too often the price differential -- and the irritating
>> convenience of HD -- prevails.
>> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck
>> ourselves, we fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro
>> the bank.
> wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how
> to speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to
> really prove your an idiot, keep cursing.
What's the old expression; "profanity is for inarticulate fuckers"?
>>
>> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local,
>> but too often the price differential -- and the irritating
>> convenience of HD -- prevails.
>> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck
>> ourselves, we fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro
>> the bank.
> wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how
> to speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to
> really prove your an idiot, keep cursing.
Bob F
Dec 6, 2012, 6:25:05 PM12/6/12
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k...@at.biz wrote:
>> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
> Many don't sell to the general public.
>
>> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
> I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>
>> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>
> They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>
>> Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>
> Sure. You're living in the past.
No, You are living in a cesspool. All those stores are easily available to me.
>> If I want plumbing, I go to a plumbing supply house....
>
> Many don't sell to the general public.
>
>> If I want lumber, I go to a lumberyard....
>
> I haven't seen one of those in a decade.
>
>> If I want hardware, I go to a hardware store...
>
> They're as rare as hens' teeth, too.
>
>> Anyone see a pattern here ?
>>
> Sure. You're living in the past.
k...@at.biz
Dec 6, 2012, 7:54:02 PM12/6/12
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my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
there, if picked over. ;-)
>> >They won't sell to the public? Bring in a business card. Even from
>> >someone you know and tell em thats you and open a cash account.
>>
>> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
>> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>>
>> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
>> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
>>
>> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
>> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
>> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
>> to take my dead presidents).
>
>
> The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.
>They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
>manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
>station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
>refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
>yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
>column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
>:)
>
> We weren't doing any HVAC work, we needed to block the sides of the
>water chillers on the transmitter to bring the coolant to normal
>operating temperature, before we flushed the transmitter and refilled it
>with distilled water & antifreeze.
k...@at.biz
Dec 6, 2012, 7:54:27 PM12/6/12
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cl...@snyder.on.ca
Dec 6, 2012, 10:10:24 PM12/6/12
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:25:01 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
The effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcibly
wrote:
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 6, 2012, 11:17:31 PM12/6/12
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Existential Angst
Dec 7, 2012, 12:12:09 AM12/7/12
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:8r2dncvNLrZQI13N...@earthlink.com...
What's sad is
1. The Warehouse Store don't know what's in its own warehouse.
2. That you STILL don't get this.
No surprise, tho.
Dood, I wadn't asking for a landscaping consultation, or an explanation of
nitrogen fixing in the root system of plants, a'ight?
All's I wanted to know was, Do you have effing Arbor Vitaes??
without being hung up on 3 times, in the span of 1/2 hr.
Thanks gawds for speaker phones, lemme tell you....
--
EA
news:8r2dncvNLrZQI13N...@earthlink.com...
1. The Warehouse Store don't know what's in its own warehouse.
2. That you STILL don't get this.
No surprise, tho.
Dood, I wadn't asking for a landscaping consultation, or an explanation of
nitrogen fixing in the root system of plants, a'ight?
All's I wanted to know was, Do you have effing Arbor Vitaes??
without being hung up on 3 times, in the span of 1/2 hr.
Thanks gawds for speaker phones, lemme tell you....
--
EA
pyotr filipivich
Dec 7, 2012, 1:07:49 AM12/7/12
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Thu, 06 Dec 2012
23:17:31 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
cursing/cussing/"ripping them an new one" is to be able to do it in
wards that can be repeated in mixed company.
My brother reported of hearing a master at work, during joint
operations with the RN. Seems one of Her Majesty's junior Captains
managed to come to the attention of Her Majesty's Task Force
Commander, over some - less than stellar seamanship, shall we say? As
my brother reported, it was a joy to hear over the Radio no less
(which is how he heard it, standing a communications watch.) as the
Senior Officer ah "rebuke" the Junior Officer. 'buked, rebuked,
dressed down, tear into, and leave no doubt at all as to the Senior
Officer's opinion of the Junior officer's skills, seamanship, ability
to command on of Her Majesty's ship, and probably his future career
ashore in solid waste retrieval.
As my sister-in-law said after a year in Wales "Over in the
States, [Monty Python, Blackadder, etc] are comedy shows. Over here,
they're documentary."
the words, my dear, but you do not have the tune."
23:17:31 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:25:01 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tiredofspam wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local,
>> >>> but too often the price differential -- and the irritating
>> >>> convenience of HD -- prevails.
>> >>> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck
>> >>> ourselves, we fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro
>> >>> the bank.
>> >> wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how
>> >> to speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to
>> >> really prove your an idiot, keep cursing.
He's not cursing, just being potty mouthed. The real "trick" to
>cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:25:01 -0600, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >tiredofspam wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, there is, and PMT nailed it. And I really try to go local,
>> >>> but too often the price differential -- and the irritating
>> >>> convenience of HD -- prevails.
>> >>> Indeed, I watch myself fuck myself, all too often. We fuck
>> >>> ourselves, we fuck each other, and HD laughs hysterically, to/fro
>> >>> the bank.
>> >> wow, you do indeed know how to curse. The question is do you know how
>> >> to speak without cursing? Everyone uses it now and then, but to
>> >> really prove your an idiot, keep cursing.
cursing/cussing/"ripping them an new one" is to be able to do it in
wards that can be repeated in mixed company.
My brother reported of hearing a master at work, during joint
operations with the RN. Seems one of Her Majesty's junior Captains
managed to come to the attention of Her Majesty's Task Force
Commander, over some - less than stellar seamanship, shall we say? As
my brother reported, it was a joy to hear over the Radio no less
(which is how he heard it, standing a communications watch.) as the
Senior Officer ah "rebuke" the Junior Officer. 'buked, rebuked,
dressed down, tear into, and leave no doubt at all as to the Senior
Officer's opinion of the Junior officer's skills, seamanship, ability
to command on of Her Majesty's ship, and probably his future career
ashore in solid waste retrieval.
As my sister-in-law said after a year in Wales "Over in the
States, [Monty Python, Blackadder, etc] are comedy shows. Over here,
they're documentary."
>> >
>> >What's the old expression; "profanity is for inarticulate fuckers"?
>> >
>> The effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcibly
>
> Or a small mind that thinks it makes them look all grown up. :(
As Mark Twain said after his wife repeated his cussing "You have
>> >What's the old expression; "profanity is for inarticulate fuckers"?
>> >
>> The effort of a feeble mind to express itself forcibly
>
> Or a small mind that thinks it makes them look all grown up. :(
the words, my dear, but you do not have the tune."
pyotr filipivich
Dec 7, 2012, 1:07:49 AM12/7/12
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Thu, 06 Dec 2012
14:03:52 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>
>> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
>> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>>
>> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
>> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
>>
>> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
>> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
>> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
>> to take my dead presidents).
>
>
> The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.
>They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
>manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
>station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
>refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
>yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
>column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
>:)
Gee, suddenly the don't want free publicity! Now that _is_ a
>> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
>> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
>>
>> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
>> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
>>
>> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
>> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
>> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
>> to take my dead presidents).
>
>
> The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.
>They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
>manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
>station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
>refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
>yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
>column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
>:)
miracle. </snark>
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 7, 2012, 1:43:34 AM12/7/12
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Thu, 06 Dec 2012
> 14:03:52 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
> >
> >> I don't know any plumbers. Sorry. Not going to happen. If they
> >> don't want my business I'm not going to force them to do business.
> >>
> >> >They really dont give a shit beyond following corporate rules.
> >> >Sales are sales, expessially when its in cold hard green money.
> >>
> >> Actually, many do. Some would rather not piss off their customers
> >> than make what few bucks I'd bring them. I found plumbing houses
> >> especially didn't want my business (electrical were much more willing
> >> to take my dead presidents).
> >
> >
> > The biggest jerks that I ever ran into were at a HVAC wholesaler.
> >They refused to sell me some duct board about 25 years ago. I asked the
> >manager his full name so he could be mentioned on the air at the TV
> >station, and told him that I didn't want to blame the wrong guy for
> >refusing to sell to a Christian TV station. His eyes went wide, and he
> >yelled at one of his workers to pull what I wanted, then gave me 'D'
> >column pricing. They even loaded it into my truck without being asked.
> >:)
>
> Gee, suddenly the don't want free publicity! Now that _is_ a
> miracle. </snark>
died just befoe a telethon. :)
pyotr filipivich
Dec 7, 2012, 2:01:17 AM12/7/12
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on Fri, 07 Dec 2012
01:43:34 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
The old saying was "Never Argue with a man who buys his ink by the
barrel"
Now it is "Do not pick a fight with a man who buys pixels by the
terabyte."
01:43:34 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
barrel"
Now it is "Do not pick a fight with a man who buys pixels by the
terabyte."
PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 7, 2012, 2:05:25 AM12/7/12
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<k...@at.biz> wrote in message
news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>rejects.
>
> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
> there, if picked over. ;-)
>
A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>>
>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>rejects.
>
> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
> there, if picked over. ;-)
>
begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same or
lower...
--And if any of it starts into warping etc then it goes into the "utility"
pile where a DF stud 2x4x8 currently sells for about 99 cents...
IOW, if you're "picking over the pile" at Home Depot in order to find boards
to frame a house with, not only are you you're getting crap, but you're also
paying more than the fucking boards are worth; it's green lumber and so
unless you get into a fresh unit, pretty much all of it will be warped and
cracked after 2 days of "picking over"
Let's see..pay more for shit boards, or pay the same amount and get good
boards...and if you are only building a chicken coop and can actually use
shit boards, pay 30 cents on the dollar for them...
--yup, definitely a hard decision..
John Doe
Dec 7, 2012, 2:30:55 AM12/7/12
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My Lowe's has stopped selling taps and dies.
Ray
Dec 7, 2012, 8:52:21 AM12/7/12
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discount.
k...@at.biz
Dec 7, 2012, 9:06:59 AM12/7/12
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:05:25 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
<precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>>rejects.
>>
>> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
>> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
>> there, if picked over. ;-)
>>
>
>A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same or
>lower...
I call bullshit, on both statements.
<precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>>rejects.
>>
>> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
>> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
>> there, if picked over. ;-)
>>
>
>A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same or
>lower...
>--And if any of it starts into warping etc then it goes into the "utility"
>pile where a DF stud 2x4x8 currently sells for about 99 cents...
there?
>IOW, if you're "picking over the pile" at Home Depot in order to find boards
>to frame a house with, not only are you you're getting crap, but you're also
>paying more than the fucking boards are worth; it's green lumber and so
>unless you get into a fresh unit, pretty much all of it will be warped and
>cracked after 2 days of "picking over"
>Let's see..pay more for shit boards, or pay the same amount and get good
>boards...and if you are only building a chicken coop and can actually use
>shit boards, pay 30 cents on the dollar for them...
>
>--yup, definitely a hard decision..
k...@at.biz
Dec 7, 2012, 9:07:59 AM12/7/12
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PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 7, 2012, 10:55:44 AM12/7/12
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<k...@at.biz> wrote in message
news:o9i6c81557pea02u4...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:05:25 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>>news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>>>rejects.
>>>
>>> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
>>> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
>>> there, if picked over. ;-)
>>>
>>
>>A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>>begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same
>>or
>>lower...
>
> I call bullshit, on both statements.
>
Additionally, they price match....
> <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>>news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>>>rejects.
>>>
>>> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
>>> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
>>> there, if picked over. ;-)
>>>
>>
>>A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>>begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same
>>or
>>lower...
>
> I call bullshit, on both statements.
>
>>--And if any of it starts into warping etc then it goes into the "utility"
>>pile where a DF stud 2x4x8 currently sells for about 99 cents...
>
> Oh, wood doesn't warp in your universe? What color is the sky over
> there?
>
therough it"
>>IOW, if you're "picking over the pile" at Home Depot in order to find
>>boards
>>to frame a house with, not only are you you're getting crap, but you're
>>also
>>paying more than the fucking boards are worth; it's green lumber and so
>>unless you get into a fresh unit, pretty much all of it will be warped and
>>cracked after 2 days of "picking over"
>
> Clueless.
>
it"
Hemlock is probably the worst, many lumberyards refuse to carry it for this
very reason.
>>Let's see..pay more for shit boards, or pay the same amount and get good
>>boards...and if you are only building a chicken coop and can actually use
>>shit boards, pay 30 cents on the dollar for them...
>>
>>--yup, definitely a hard decision..
>
> Yup, clueless.
thousand homes over his lifetime; he also does not buy lumber from Home
Depot or Lowes.
Apparently, he is also clueless...
k...@at.biz
Dec 7, 2012, 12:31:49 PM12/7/12
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 07:55:44 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
trash. Sure they will. Here, put on this *long* sleeve jacket.
>>>--And if any of it starts into warping etc then it goes into the "utility"
>>>pile where a DF stud 2x4x8 currently sells for about 99 cents...
>>
>> Oh, wood doesn't warp in your universe? What color is the sky over
>> there?
>>
>
>It doesn't warp until the bands are cut and some goof ball starts "picking
>therough it"
Clueless. It starts warping the instant it starts drying. You might
not see it until the stresses are allowed to relieve themselves but it
is.
>>>IOW, if you're "picking over the pile" at Home Depot in order to find
>>>boards
>>>to frame a house with, not only are you you're getting crap, but you're
>>>also
>>>paying more than the fucking boards are worth; it's green lumber and so
>>>unless you get into a fresh unit, pretty much all of it will be warped and
>>>cracked after 2 days of "picking over"
>>
>> Clueless.
>>
>
>It doesn't warp until the bands are cut and someone starts "picking through
>it"
You already told that lie.
>Hemlock is probably the worst, many lumberyards refuse to carry it for this
>very reason.
But they'll price match SYP against it, right?
>>>Let's see..pay more for shit boards, or pay the same amount and get good
>>>boards...and if you are only building a chicken coop and can actually use
>>>shit boards, pay 30 cents on the dollar for them...
>>>
>>>--yup, definitely a hard decision..
>>
>> Yup, clueless.
>
>My father in law is a home building contracter and has built several
>thousand homes over his lifetime; he also does not buy lumber from Home
>Depot or Lowes.
Some of my best friends have relatives who know contractors. <sheesh>
>Apparently, he is also clueless...
Only your cluelessness is in evidence. I'll not trust your word on
this, either.
<precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>news:o9i6c81557pea02u4...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:05:25 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>> <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>>>news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>>>>rejects.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
>>>> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
>>>> there, if picked over. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>>>begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same
>>>or
>>>lower...
>>
>> I call bullshit, on both statements.
>>
>
>Additionally, they price match....
They're going to price match select or better KD against grade-B
>
><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>news:o9i6c81557pea02u4...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:05:25 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>> <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>>>news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>>>>rejects.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
>>>> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
>>>> there, if picked over. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>>>begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same
>>>or
>>>lower...
>>
>> I call bullshit, on both statements.
>>
>
>Additionally, they price match....
trash. Sure they will. Here, put on this *long* sleeve jacket.
>>>--And if any of it starts into warping etc then it goes into the "utility"
>>>pile where a DF stud 2x4x8 currently sells for about 99 cents...
>>
>> Oh, wood doesn't warp in your universe? What color is the sky over
>> there?
>>
>
>It doesn't warp until the bands are cut and some goof ball starts "picking
>therough it"
not see it until the stresses are allowed to relieve themselves but it
is.
>>>IOW, if you're "picking over the pile" at Home Depot in order to find
>>>boards
>>>to frame a house with, not only are you you're getting crap, but you're
>>>also
>>>paying more than the fucking boards are worth; it's green lumber and so
>>>unless you get into a fresh unit, pretty much all of it will be warped and
>>>cracked after 2 days of "picking over"
>>
>> Clueless.
>>
>
>It doesn't warp until the bands are cut and someone starts "picking through
>it"
>Hemlock is probably the worst, many lumberyards refuse to carry it for this
>very reason.
>>>Let's see..pay more for shit boards, or pay the same amount and get good
>>>boards...and if you are only building a chicken coop and can actually use
>>>shit boards, pay 30 cents on the dollar for them...
>>>
>>>--yup, definitely a hard decision..
>>
>> Yup, clueless.
>
>My father in law is a home building contracter and has built several
>thousand homes over his lifetime; he also does not buy lumber from Home
>Depot or Lowes.
>Apparently, he is also clueless...
this, either.
PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 7, 2012, 1:46:25 PM12/7/12
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<k...@at.biz> wrote in message news:14u6c8hscjo1n6ov5...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 07:55:44 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
> <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>>news:o9i6c81557pea02u4...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:05:25 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>>> <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>>>>news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>>>>>rejects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
>>>>> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
>>>>> there, if picked over. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>>>>begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same
>>>>or
>>>>lower...
>>>
>>> I call bullshit, on both statements.
>>>
>>
>>Additionally, they price match....
>
> They're going to price match select or better KD against grade-B
> trash. Sure they will. Here, put on this *long* sleeve jacket.
>
No, they're going to match product for product...
> <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>>news:o9i6c81557pea02u4...@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:05:25 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
>>> <precisionm...@notmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><k...@at.biz> wrote in message
>>>>news:6p35c812h2coasur1...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer to pull my own lumber, rather than let them load up a lot of
>>>>>>rejects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. I don't even let the "help" at the Borg help me. I'll take
>>>>> my time, and yes, the pile will be as neat when I leave as when I got
>>>>> there, if picked over. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>A real lumber yard doesn't have a bunch of shit lumber in their yard to
>>>>begin with, and (at least where I'm at), the prices are usually the same
>>>>or
>>>>lower...
>>>
>>> I call bullshit, on both statements.
>>>
>>
>>Additionally, they price match....
>
> They're going to price match select or better KD against grade-B
> trash. Sure they will. Here, put on this *long* sleeve jacket.
>
Here ou are acting as though you're an expert....but you've already told me that you haven't even seen a fucking lumber yard in many years...
>>>>--And if any of it starts into warping etc then it goes into the "utility"
>>>>pile where a DF stud 2x4x8 currently sells for about 99 cents...
>>>
>>> Oh, wood doesn't warp in your universe? What color is the sky over
>>> there?
>>>
>>
>>It doesn't warp until the bands are cut and some goof ball starts "picking
>>therough it"
>
> Clueless. It starts warping the instant it starts drying. You might
> not see it until the stresses are allowed to relieve themselves but it
> is.
>
>>>>IOW, if you're "picking over the pile" at Home Depot in order to find
>>>>boards
>>>>to frame a house with, not only are you you're getting crap, but you're
>>>>also
>>>>paying more than the fucking boards are worth; it's green lumber and so
>>>>unless you get into a fresh unit, pretty much all of it will be warped and
>>>>cracked after 2 days of "picking over"
>>>
>>> Clueless.
>>>
>>
>>It doesn't warp until the bands are cut and someone starts "picking through
>>it"
>
> You already told that lie.
>
>>Hemlock is probably the worst, many lumberyards refuse to carry it for this
>>very reason.
>
> But they'll price match SYP against it, right?
>
>>>>Let's see..pay more for shit boards, or pay the same amount and get good
>>>>boards...and if you are only building a chicken coop and can actually use
>>>>shit boards, pay 30 cents on the dollar for them...
>>>>
>>>>--yup, definitely a hard decision..
>>>
>>> Yup, clueless.
>>
>>My father in law is a home building contracter and has built several
>>thousand homes over his lifetime; he also does not buy lumber from Home
>>Depot or Lowes.
>
> Some of my best friends have relatives who know contractors. <sheesh>
>
>>Apparently, he is also clueless...
>
> Only your cluelessness is in evidence. I'll not trust your word on
> this, either.
Mike Marlow
Dec 7, 2012, 3:19:11 PM12/7/12
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PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
> Fuck off and die, troll.
That's funny. The guys from rec.crafts.metalworking and alt.home.repair
>
> Fuck off and die, troll.
crosspost a bunch of threads over to rec.woodworking. They encounter some
opinions differing from their own. And then... they reply with "Fuck off
and die, troll". The only trolls in these threads are the cross posters
that are spreading their stuff outside of their own groups.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 7, 2012, 3:41:10 PM12/7/12
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in message news:k9tj19$c04$1...@dont-email.me...
Sorry, but when someone claims he "hasn't seen a lumber store in a decade" and turns around later and begins pretending to know all about how lumber stores conduct their daily business well then it should be pretty obvious to anyone with more than two functioning brain cells that he's a fucking troll...
--
Mike Marlow
Dec 7, 2012, 4:09:23 PM12/7/12
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PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
> Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home
> Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>
No - that is an opinion. Reputable home building contractors do indeed buy
>
> Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home
> Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>
their lumber from Home Depot. The very large, national ones may not because
they cut some corporate deal, but very reputable guys most certainly do.
That is a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes. What is your basis for
your statement?
> Sorry, but when someone claims he "hasn't seen a lumber store in a
> decade" and turns around later and begins pretending to know all
> about how lumber stores conduct their daily business well then it
> should be pretty obvious to anyone with more than two functioning
> brain cells that he's a fucking troll...
does not agree with you.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 7, 2012, 4:23:08 PM12/7/12
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Ray wrote:
>
> Around here, Lowe's and Home Depot offers a 10% disabled Veteran's
> discount.
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 7, 2012, 4:32:54 PM12/7/12
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Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
> >
> > Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home
> > Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
> >
>
> No - that is an opinion. Reputable home building contractors do indeed buy
> their lumber from Home Depot. The very large, national ones may not because
> they cut some corporate deal, but very reputable guys most certainly do.
> That is a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes. What is your basis for
> your statement?
stores that cater to contractors. Or that contractors buy lumber by the
truckload. I couldn't find any T-111 plyood siding for over a month,
years ago because a contractor bought every pallet of it that 84,
Builder's Square, HD or Lowe's could get their hands on. All the
lumber yards had were a few damaged sheets.
> > Sorry, but when someone claims he "hasn't seen a lumber store in a
> > decade" and turns around later and begins pretending to know all
> > about how lumber stores conduct their daily business well then it
> > should be pretty obvious to anyone with more than two functioning
> > brain cells that he's a fucking troll...
>
> You have an interesting definition of a troll Let me guess - anyone who
> does not agree with you.
Mike Marlow
Dec 7, 2012, 4:48:23 PM12/7/12
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I believe they both offer year round 10% discounts to retired vets (proof
required), and also to disabled vets. Regular old vets only get the
discount on 3 or 4 days of the year. It's on their web sites - might take a
bit of looking to find it.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Spehro Pefhany
Dec 7, 2012, 5:03:54 PM12/7/12
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http://ext.homedepot.com/community/blog/veterans-and-active-military-thank-you-for-your-service-employment-opportunities-tribute-discount/
The Home Depot offers a year-round, 10 percent discount, up to a $500
maximum, at our U.S. stores to all active duty military personnel,
reservists, retired or disabled veterans and their immediate families.
We offer this discount to thank them for their outstanding service to
this nation and to help make their homes more comfortable and safe.
Customers requesting the discount should present a valid military ID.
In addition, a 10 percent discount is also offered in recognition of
Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Labor Day and Veterans Day at all U.S.
Home Depot stores for all other military veterans.
Mike Marlow
Dec 7, 2012, 5:19:07 PM12/7/12
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Reservists, etc.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
PrecisionmachinisT
Dec 7, 2012, 5:59:47 PM12/7/12
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news:k9tlvf$v8t$1...@dont-email.me...
>> Sorry, but when someone claims he "hasn't seen a lumber store in a
>> decade" and turns around later and begins pretending to know all
>> about how lumber stores conduct their daily business well then it
>> should be pretty obvious to anyone with more than two functioning
>> brain cells that he's a fucking troll...
>
> You have an interesting definition of a troll Let me guess - anyone who
> does not agree with you.
>
Guess again, troll...
> PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
>>
>> Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home
>> Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>>
>
> No - that is an opinion. Reputable home building contractors do indeed
> buy their lumber from Home Depot. The very large, national ones may not
> because they cut some corporate deal, but very reputable guys most
> certainly do. That is a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes. What is
> your basis for your statement?
Depends....what is your definition of "reputable" ?
>
>>
>> Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home
>> Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>>
>
> No - that is an opinion. Reputable home building contractors do indeed
> buy their lumber from Home Depot. The very large, national ones may not
> because they cut some corporate deal, but very reputable guys most
> certainly do. That is a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes. What is
> your basis for your statement?
>> Sorry, but when someone claims he "hasn't seen a lumber store in a
>> decade" and turns around later and begins pretending to know all
>> about how lumber stores conduct their daily business well then it
>> should be pretty obvious to anyone with more than two functioning
>> brain cells that he's a fucking troll...
>
> You have an interesting definition of a troll Let me guess - anyone who
> does not agree with you.
>
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Dec 7, 2012, 7:45:46 PM12/7/12
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 16:09:23 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:
>PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
>>
>> Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home
>> Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>>
>
>No - that is an opinion. Reputable home building contractors do indeed buy
>their lumber from Home Depot. The very large, national ones may not because
>they cut some corporate deal, but very reputable guys most certainly do.
>That is a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes. What is your basis for
>your statement?
>
Well, my father was in the building tradesmost of his life, and I have
<mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:
>PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>
>>
>> Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home
>> Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>>
>
>No - that is an opinion. Reputable home building contractors do indeed buy
>their lumber from Home Depot. The very large, national ones may not because
>they cut some corporate deal, but very reputable guys most certainly do.
>That is a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes. What is your basis for
>your statement?
>
friends in the building trades - and NONE of them buy their building
materials from Home Depot. If they need something for a small project
on the weekend they MIGHT pick up a few odds and ends because their
supplier is not open.
They will buy from the Home Building Supply (formerly Beaver Lumber up
here) or TimberMart, or one of the Rona associated lumber yards - or
any of a number of local "builders supply" yards.
For electrical and plumbing supplies, likewise.
If I need plumbing supplies Marks Supply is my first choice locally -
Home Hardware and One Stop Plumbing are tied for second choice,
followed by Canadian Tire , and Home Depot. Canadian Tire is closest
to home, followed by Home Hardware, then Home Depot, Marks, and One
Stop.
For electrical, Guillevan Supply, Pope Electric, Home Hardware and
Canadian Tire, and Home Depot. I don't bother with the big Rona store
and have not even been inside the new Lowes store just across town.
Dad dealt with a few other large electrical distributors that are not
as handy to me - but I use them when I need something specialized or
if Guillevan does not have it in stock (or I'm at the other side of
the county and need something).
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Dec 7, 2012, 7:48:15 PM12/7/12
to
"contractor's desk" - but none of the major home-builders.
dca...@krl.org
Dec 7, 2012, 8:42:19 PM12/7/12
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On Dec 6, 10:50 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Around here, Lowe's offers a 10% Veteran's discount.
Here one Lowe's offers a 10% Veteran's discount. Another one does
not. They are both about the same distance from my house.
Dan
wrote:
> Around here, Lowe's offers a 10% Veteran's discount.
not. They are both about the same distance from my house.
Dan
k...@at.biz
Dec 7, 2012, 9:22:43 PM12/7/12
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you lied.
>
>Here ou are acting as though you're an expert....but you've already told me that you haven't even seen a fucking lumber yard in many years...
Hardly an expert but I can tell a bullshitter (but not much).
>Here ou are acting as though you're an expert....but you've already told me that you haven't even seen a fucking lumber yard in many years...
>>>>>--And if any of it starts into warping etc then it goes into the "utility"
>>>>>pile where a DF stud 2x4x8 currently sells for about 99 cents...
>>>>
>>>> Oh, wood doesn't warp in your universe? What color is the sky over
>>>> there?
>>>>
>>>
>>>It doesn't warp until the bands are cut and some goof ball starts "picking
>>>therough it"
>>
>> Clueless. It starts warping the instant it starts drying. You might
>
>No, it starts warping on moisture change....as soon start picking through it, unless you immediately band and strap it again
>> not see it until the stresses are allowed to relieve themselves but it
>> is.
>
>No, as long as it's restrained, it will hold it's straightness, period.
>>>>>IOW, if you're "picking over the pile" at Home Depot in order to find
>>>>>boards
>>>>>to frame a house with, not only are you you're getting crap, but you're
>>>>>also
>>>>>paying more than the fucking boards are worth; it's green lumber and so
>>>>>unless you get into a fresh unit, pretty much all of it will be warped and
>>>>>cracked after 2 days of "picking over"
>>>>
>>>> Clueless.
>>>>
>>>
>>>It doesn't warp until the bands are cut and someone starts "picking through
>>>it"
>>
>> You already told that lie.
>>
>>>Hemlock is probably the worst, many lumberyards refuse to carry it for this
>>>very reason.
>>
>> But they'll price match SYP against it, right?
>>
>
>No, they match price by species and grade.
>>>>>Let's see..pay more for shit boards, or pay the same amount and get good
>>>>>boards...and if you are only building a chicken coop and can actually use
>>>>>shit boards, pay 30 cents on the dollar for them...
>>>>>
>>>>>--yup, definitely a hard decision..
>>>>
>>>> Yup, clueless.
>>>
>>>My father in law is a home building contracter and has built several
>>>thousand homes over his lifetime; he also does not buy lumber from Home
>>>Depot or Lowes.
>>
>> Some of my best friends have relatives who know contractors. <sheesh>
>>
>>>Apparently, he is also clueless...
>>
>> Only your cluelessness is in evidence. I'll not trust your word on
>> this, either.
>
>Fuck off and die, troll.
k...@at.biz
Dec 7, 2012, 9:24:03 PM12/7/12
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 12:41:10 -0800, "PrecisionmachinisT"
<123mac...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in message news:k9tj19$c04$1...@dont-email.me...
>> PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Fuck off and die, troll.
>>
>> That's funny. The guys from rec.crafts.metalworking and alt.home.repair
>> crosspost a bunch of threads over to rec.woodworking. They encounter some
>> opinions differing from their own. And then... they reply with "Fuck off
>> and die, troll". The only trolls in these threads are the cross posters
>> that are spreading their stuff outside of their own groups.
>>
>>
>
>Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
Another lie.
<123mac...@notmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Mike Marlow" <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote in message news:k9tj19$c04$1...@dont-email.me...
>> PrecisionmachinisT wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Fuck off and die, troll.
>>
>> That's funny. The guys from rec.crafts.metalworking and alt.home.repair
>> crosspost a bunch of threads over to rec.woodworking. They encounter some
>> opinions differing from their own. And then... they reply with "Fuck off
>> and die, troll". The only trolls in these threads are the cross posters
>> that are spreading their stuff outside of their own groups.
>>
>>
>
>Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>Sorry, but when someone claims he "hasn't seen a lumber store in a decade" and turns around later and begins pretending to know all about how lumber stores conduct their daily business well then it should be pretty obvious to anyone with more than two functioning brain cells that he's a fucking troll...
shit. I just called you on it and you're pouting. Poor baby.
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 7, 2012, 10:13:52 PM12/7/12
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identical houses, or modular homes. We had three modular home
factories, till the housing bubble burst. All on rail lines who bought
directly from OEMs and had the lumber & chassis delivered by rail.
The custom builders deal with everyone, including HD & Lowe's, if they
can find what they want at the right price. Around here, most of the
smaller 'lumberyards' & 'hardware stores' catered to modular home
industry, and sold the surplus when it was available. One of those is
now in the scrap metal business, with very little lumber left. In an
area with a very high percentage of retirees, not many people build
their own homes. We wouldn't have two Lowes & a HD if the builders
didn't buy from them.
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 7, 2012, 10:16:34 PM12/7/12
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few months ago.
Mike Marlow
Dec 7, 2012, 10:34:55 PM12/7/12
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> The local HD told me they only offer it on the two days I stated, a
> few months ago.
Not really a surprise that they got it wrong. That particular policy is
>
> The local HD told me they only offer it on the two days I stated, a
> few months ago.
fairly new and caused a huge amount of confusion within the ranks at HD when
it came out. It was not as clearly articulated initially. Not surprising
there are still people who misunderstand it.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Spehro Pefhany
Dec 7, 2012, 10:55:30 PM12/7/12
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Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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Michael A. Terrell
Dec 7, 2012, 11:04:09 PM12/7/12
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here. HD's latest change is in response to Lowe's updated policies.
Michael A. Terrell
Dec 7, 2012, 11:04:56 PM12/7/12
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2012 22:34:55 -0500, the renowned "Mike Marlow"
> <mmarlo...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> >Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The local HD told me they only offer it on the two days I stated, a
> >> few months ago.
> >
> >Not really a surprise that they got it wrong. That particular policy is
> >fairly new and caused a huge amount of confusion within the ranks at HD when
> >it came out. It was not as clearly articulated initially. Not surprising
> >there are still people who misunderstand it.
>
> They have a number to call if you are refused the discount.
k...@at.biz
Dec 8, 2012, 12:01:02 AM12/8/12
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if they ask. Store managers (even department managers) have a lot of
leeway.
Steve B
Dec 8, 2012, 11:33:52 AM12/8/12
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>>> Reputable home building contractors rarely buy their lumber from Home
>>> Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>>>
>>
>>No - that is an opinion. Reputable home building contractors do indeed
>>buy
>>their lumber from Home Depot. The very large, national ones may not
>>because
>>they cut some corporate deal, but very reputable guys most certainly do.
>>That is a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes. What is your basis for
>>your statement?
My experience is that HD is crap. Lowe's only slightly better. Went to get
>>> Depot or Lowes, that's a fact, NOT an opinion.
>>>
>>
>>No - that is an opinion. Reputable home building contractors do indeed
>>buy
>>their lumber from Home Depot. The very large, national ones may not
>>because
>>they cut some corporate deal, but very reputable guys most certainly do.
>>That is a fact. I have seen it with my own eyes. What is your basis for
>>your statement?
two 12' 2 x 12's, and the WHOLE PALLET had a split in the same place on the
end of evey board running 18". Went to HD, and found two out of about 100
that were decent, but would not have bought them if I wasn't in a time
crunch.
If you want GOOD lumber, you will go to a lumber yard, as they carry sizes
and grades you can't find at the Borgs. Kinda depends on the project, and,
as stated, if they give you a break for having an account, etc. But I think
any lumber yard has better lumber on average than either Lowe's or HD.
Steve
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