Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had a sense of humor.
My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense round.
> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took > place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in > the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the > gunfight. If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I > had to pull off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd > street.
> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he > seemed like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I > remember he had a sense of humor.
> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were > putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just > confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the > security company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month > and as a customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my > Springfield XD-9mm especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and > a bit of polishing on the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 > overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! > (Don, are you reading this?) I'll have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo > recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense round.
If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open season on the bastards.
Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
> "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote in message > news:ivLyj.60897$Pv2.7323@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net... >> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >> place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in >> the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. >> If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull >> off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >> like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had >> a sense of humor.
>> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >> putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just >> confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security >> company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a >> customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm >> especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on >> the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the >> trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll >> have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a >> marginal defense round.
> If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that > I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open > season on the bastards.
> Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
> Harold
Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest opportunity.
>> "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote in message >> news:ivLyj.60897$Pv2.7323@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net... >>> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >>> place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands >>> in the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the >>> gunfight. If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. >>> I had to pull off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd >>> street.
>>> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he >>> seemed like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I >>> remember he had a sense of humor.
>>> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >>> putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just >>> confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the >>> security company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month >>> and as a customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my >>> Springfield XD-9mm especially after installing an aftermarket trigger >>> and a bit of polishing on the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 >>> overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar. The trigger is now >>> SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll have to get a hold of Gunner >>> for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense round.
>> If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see >> that I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should >> be open season on the bastards.
>> Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
>> Harold
> Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the > gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our > Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and > sports arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than > offer concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the > earliest opportunity.
Trouble is, it's not much better elsewhere. We're out of the big city, which is getting to be survival of the meanest mentality. You got what I want and I'll just take it type of behavior.
We've sort of bunkered in buying two acres in a very rural area. We are not naive enough to think that we are insulated or far away from the crime of the city. We have crime here in a city of 1400, most of it associated with theft to buy drugs. Two murders a couple of months ago, and three in the last two years. My property is surrounded with barbed wire, forbidding ravines lined with lava rock, cacti, and various other obstacles. Private property signs all over the place.
And we still get people riding right through on ATVs like they're on public land.
Next week, the rest of the fences and the signs go up. No way in except for the main gate, and no way out except the same way. After that, the attitude changes. Carrying a gun on your own property is legal, and some of these idiots just need "private property" explained a little clearer. Those who come after dark, or who don't come up the normal approach paths will be treated as threats, which I consider them.
You want to come on my property, come in the front gate. Come to the front door and identify yourself and state your purpose. Chances are, if you're on the up and up, we'll have a nice conversation and a cold beverage. You want to sneak through the back, or drive past private property signs and act ignorant, let's rodeo, cowboy.
And if you come around between 9 PM and dawn and are sneaking around, you deserve whatever happens to you.
<tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote: >Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took place a >few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in the >neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. If I >would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull off the >road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had a >sense of humor.
>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were putting >too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just confirms my >conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security company that I >hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a customer, I get a 20% >discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm especially after >installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on the sear and striker >and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar. The >trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll have to get a hold of >Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense round.
Cor-Bon 9mm 115 grain +P Jacketed Hollowpoint
Its hot. Really hot. And expensive. But it almost makes it a .357 magnum. Very well proven on the street. Not for older guns.
The Corbons tend to fragment a bit more than I like, but they have a pretty good street record.
It makes a LOT of noise and has significant recoil. If you are noise or recoil shy..go with the Gold Dot loadings or the Golden Sabers.
(Better a couple good hits than a few powerful misses due to flinch.)
Remington 115gr Golden Sabers
Anything loaded with the 115gr Speer Gold Dot.
Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers
Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm, even the Sig 357.
The Corbon Pow'Rball ammo is supposed to be really good, but Ive not tested terminal ballistics on this particular bullet in any caliber.
I shoot a lot of 125gr .357 Remingtons.. because I scored a 20mm can filled to the top some years ago. Im about 1/3 of the way down...chuckle
Im usually carrying a .45 of some sort, or a .357 wheel gun. Occasionally, a Mod 57 in .41 mag. Depends on my mood and AO.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
>> "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote in message >> news:ivLyj.60897$Pv2.7323@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net... >>> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >>> place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in >>> the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. >>> If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull >>> off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>>> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >>> like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had >>> a sense of humor.
>>> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >>> putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just >>> confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security >>> company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a >>> customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm >>> especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on >>> the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the >>> trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll >>> have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a >>> marginal defense round.
>> If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that >> I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open >> season on the bastards.
>> Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
>> Harold
>Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the >gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our >Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports >arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer >concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest >opportunity.
The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
>>>>Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >>>>place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in >>>>the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. >>>>If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull >>>>off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>>>>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >>>>like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had >>>>a sense of humor.
>>>>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >>>>putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just >>>>confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security >>>>company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a >>>>customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm >>>>especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on >>>>the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the >>>>trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll >>>>have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a >>>>marginal defense round.
>>>If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that >>>I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open >>>season on the bastards.
>>>Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
>>>Harold
>>Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the >>gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our >>Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports >>arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer >>concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest >>opportunity.
> The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill > bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and > likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
> It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a > sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of > attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a > significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
> Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the > gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our > Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and > sports arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than > offer concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the > earliest opportunity.
There's an empty facility right beside a rail line in my little town. The city would fall all over itself with incentives to get you here. There's a GREAT workforce, wonderful schools, good (well OK) government, great qualtiy of life, etc. in this area. Same story in 1000's of small towns in rural USA. It is time for you to move. Choose the area you'd like and start shopping.
Why don't you come on out to MN? Don Foreman and I would be glad to show you around. Stop at a few local cities to see what offers are available.
>> It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a >> sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of >> attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a >> significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
>> "Tom Gardner" <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote in message >> news:ivLyj.60897$Pv2.7323@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net... >>> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >>> place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in >>> the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. >>> If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull >>> off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>>> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >>> like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had >>> a sense of humor.
>>> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >>> putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just >>> confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security >>> company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a >>> customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm >>> especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on >>> the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the >>> trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll >>> have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a >>> marginal defense round.
>> If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that >> I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open >> season on the bastards.
>> Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
>> Harold
>Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the >gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our >Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports >arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer >concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest >opportunity.
The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:24:20 +1300, with neither quill nor qualm, Ron <rir...@wort.com> quickly quoth:
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill >> bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and >> likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
<g> Having visited there, I'm surprised it wasn't named "Marooned".
-- An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done or left undone in the short run determines the long run. -- Sydney J. Harris
"Karl Townsend" <karltownsend....@embarqmail.com> wrote
> Why don't you come on out to MN? Don Foreman and I would be glad to show > you around. Stop at a few local cities to see what offers are available.
> Karl
I hear a lot of companies are deciding to give up the good life in Kalifornia. A short ad in one of their papers might be productive. I have heard of many communities and states GIVING companies land, tax breaks, and all manner of gifts to entice them. And they're going for it.
AAAAAhnold recently went to Las Vegas with a semi truck, touting the good business climate of Kalifornia. He invited any business who wanted to come to return to Kalifornia with him, free trucking.
> Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers
> Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,
Try this load , Gunner:
147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152 Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to transfer energy without going too far...
<tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote: >Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took place a >few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in the >neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. If I >would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull off the >road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had a >sense of humor.
>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were putting >too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just confirms my >conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security company that I >hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a customer, I get a 20% >discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm especially after >installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on the sear and striker >and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar. The >trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll have to get a hold of >Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense round.
Yes. I'd like to know more about the source of the aftermarket trigger and about the overtravel limit setscrew, please. Note that if "sweet" means "light", that is not a good tactical trigger for carry. You want very crisp without a lot of travel, but somewhat heavy.
As to ammo: wait until after your training to choose ammo. Your first criteria must be that the gun is utterly, flawlessly reliable with it. XD's are not known to be fussy feeders, but you need to be sure. I have not found any ammo that my XD .40 doesn't work flawlessly with -- but if I had another one of the same model I'd definitely check it.
Think about your choice of caliber for a moment. The advantage to 9mmp is that it has light recoil, double-stackers like the XD hold lots of 'em -- and ammo is cheap. Forget about the mythical "one-shot stop" with magic ammo in a 9mmp. You aren't limited to one shot. If you get several hits in COM, the probability of at least one of them having the desired effect is at least as good as one hit from a heavier round that you may not shoot as well. Really critical spots within COM are not arranged radially from center in importance. COM is not a bullseye with numbered rings. They're somewhat randomly distributed. A heavy round works better because it damages a larger region -- but a lighter round in a right spot is even more effective. Consider: the 12 gage shotgun with #00 buck is absolutely unquestioned re stopping power. It merely delivers eighteen 97-grain balls at 1100 fps. Each of these balls is both lighter and slower than a 9mmp 124-grain HydraShok JHP, and they don't expand. However, probability of one or more of them hitting a critical spot is essentially 1.
You must be able to shoot well with the ammo you choose, which means be in complete control of muzzle flip. You are in control when you can deliver 4 or 5 rounds into COM at 21 feet in under a second.
A "hot" round that misses has negative efficacy because it still invites return fire. Recoil should be a non-issue with a full-size XD in 9mmp, but you need to be sure that's true for you with your piece and your ammo.
>>>>>Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >>>>>place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in >>>>>the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. >>>>>If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull >>>>>off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>>>>>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >>>>>like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had >>>>>a sense of humor.
>>>>>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >>>>>putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just >>>>>confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security >>>>>company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a >>>>>customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm >>>>>especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on >>>>>the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the >>>>>trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll >>>>>have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a >>>>>marginal defense round.
>>>>If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that >>>>I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open >>>>season on the bastards.
>>>>Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
>>>>Harold
>>>Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the >>>gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our >>>Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports >>>arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer >>>concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest >>>opportunity.
>> The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill >> bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and >> likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
>> It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a >> sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of >> attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a >> significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
>>> It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a >>> sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of >>> attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a >>> significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
>Thought so... >Site of teh movie, "THe Best of Times"
My face may be seen in that movie, and several others. For about .5 milliseconds <G>
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote: >On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:24:20 +1300, with neither quill nor qualm, Ron ><rir...@wort.com> quickly quoth:
>>Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill >>> bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and >>> likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
><g> Having visited there, I'm surprised it wasn't named "Marooned".
Long as we have UPS and DHL, and the post office..hardly marooned. <G>
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
> >>>>>Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took > >>>>>place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in > >>>>>the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. > >>>>>If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull > >>>>>off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
> >>>>>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed > >>>>>like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had > >>>>>a sense of humor.
> >>>>>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were > >>>>>putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just > >>>>>confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security > >>>>>company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a > >>>>>customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm > >>>>>especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on > >>>>>the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the > >>>>>trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll > >>>>>have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a > >>>>>marginal defense round.
> >>>>If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that > >>>>I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open > >>>>season on the bastards.
> >>>>Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
> >>>>Harold
> >>>Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the > >>>gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our > >>>Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports > >>>arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer > >>>concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest > >>>opportunity.
> >> The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill > >> bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and > >> likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
> >> It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a > >> sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of > >> attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a > >> significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
i was deleting photos from a computer the other day and found a picture of a Kern County Sheriff's cruiser. The legend said, "Well beat you up, and take your donuts, too!" Do you want a copy?
-- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85.
> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took place a > few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in the > neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. If I > would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull off the > road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed > like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had a > sense of humor.
> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were putting > too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just confirms my > conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security company that I > hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a customer, I get a 20% > discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm especially after > installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on the sear and striker > and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar. The > trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll have to get a hold of > Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense round.
Sorry to hear that, Tom. It's alwways bad to hear that someone you know has been killed, and even worse when it's so close to home.
-- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85.
> On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:55:34 -0500, "Tom Gardner" > <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>>Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >>place a >>few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in the >>neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. >>If I >>would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull off >>the >>road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he >>seemed >>like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he >>had a >>sense of humor.
>>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >>putting >>too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just confirms >>my >>conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security company >>that I >>hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a customer, I get >>a 20% >>discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm especially after >>installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on the sear and >>striker >>and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar. The >>trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll have to get a >>hold of >>Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense >>round.
> Yes. I'd like to know more about the source of the aftermarket > trigger and about the overtravel limit setscrew, please. Note that if > "sweet" means "light", that is not a good tactical trigger for carry. > You want very crisp without a lot of travel, but somewhat heavy.
> As to ammo: wait until after your training to choose ammo. Your > first criteria must be that the gun is utterly, flawlessly reliable > with it. XD's are not known to be fussy feeders, but you need to be > sure. I have not found any ammo that my XD .40 doesn't work > flawlessly with -- but if I had another one of the same model I'd > definitely check it.
> Think about your choice of caliber for a moment. The advantage to > 9mmp is that it has light recoil, double-stackers like the XD hold > lots of 'em -- and ammo is cheap. Forget about the mythical > "one-shot stop" with magic ammo in a 9mmp. You aren't limited to one > shot. If you get several hits in COM, the probability of at least one > of them having the desired effect is at least as good as one hit from > a heavier round that you may not shoot as well. Really critical > spots within COM are not arranged radially from center in importance. > COM is not a bullseye with numbered rings. They're somewhat randomly > distributed. A heavy round works better because it damages a larger > region -- but a lighter round in a right spot is even more effective. > Consider: the 12 gage shotgun with #00 buck is absolutely > unquestioned re stopping power. It merely delivers eighteen 97-grain > balls at 1100 fps. Each of these balls is both lighter and slower > than a 9mmp 124-grain HydraShok JHP, and they don't expand. However, > probability of one or more of them hitting a critical spot is > essentially 1.
> You must be able to shoot well with the ammo you choose, which means > be in complete control of muzzle flip. You are in control when you > can deliver 4 or 5 rounds into COM at 21 feet in under a second.
> A "hot" round that misses has negative efficacy because it still > invites return fire. Recoil should be a non-issue with a full-size XD > in 9mmp, but you need to be sure that's true for you with your piece > and your ammo.
Look at this! http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/hs2000-sa-xd-accessories/61079-powderriv... A half hour mod, if that. Locating the hole in the trigger bar for the set screw was the most time, there's .010" on each side clearance. Have a pair of hemostats handy to install the part. It doesn't lighten the trigger.
>> Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers
>> Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,
>Try this load , Gunner:
>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152 >Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to >transfer energy without going too far...
>cheers >T.Alan
What about expansion? Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well be shooting FMJs
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
>> >>>>>Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >> >>>>>place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in >> >>>>>the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. >> >>>>>If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull >> >>>>>off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>> >>>>>Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >> >>>>>like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had >> >>>>>a sense of humor.
>> >>>>>My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >> >>>>>putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just >> >>>>>confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security >> >>>>>company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a >> >>>>>customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm >> >>>>>especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on >> >>>>>the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the >> >>>>>trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll >> >>>>>have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a >> >>>>>marginal defense round.
>> >>>>If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that >> >>>>I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open >> >>>>season on the bastards.
>> >>>>Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
>> >>>>Harold
>> >>>Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the >> >>>gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our >> >>>Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports >> >>>arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer >> >>>concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest >> >>>opportunity.
>> >> The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill >> >> bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and >> >> likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
>> >> It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a >> >> sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of >> >> attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a >> >> significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
> i was deleting photos from a computer the other day and found a >picture of a Kern County Sheriff's cruiser. The legend said, "Well beat >you up, and take your donuts, too!" Do you want a copy?
Sure..send it along.
That photo was the result of having the Lerdo motor pool inmates having a good time.
Everyone enjoyed it, including the cops.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
>> Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the >> gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our >> Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and >> sports arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than >> offer concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the >> earliest opportunity.
>There's an empty facility right beside a rail line in my little town. The >city would fall all over itself with incentives to get you here. There's a >GREAT workforce, wonderful schools, good (well OK) government, great qualtiy >of life, etc. in this area. Same story in 1000's of small towns in rural >USA. It is time for you to move. Choose the area you'd like and start >shopping.
>Why don't you come on out to MN? Don Foreman and I would be glad to show you >around. Stop at a few local cities to see what offers are available.
Don Foreman wrote: > On Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:55:34 -0500, "Tom Gardner" > <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took place a >> few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in the >> neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. If I >> would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull off the >> road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >> like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had a >> sense of humor.
>> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were putting >> too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just confirms my >> conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security company that I >> hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a customer, I get a 20% >> discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm especially after >> installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on the sear and striker >> and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the trigger bar. The >> trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll have to get a hold of >> Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a marginal defense round.
> Yes. I'd like to know more about the source of the aftermarket > trigger and about the overtravel limit setscrew, please. Note that if > "sweet" means "light", that is not a good tactical trigger for carry. > You want very crisp without a lot of travel, but somewhat heavy.
> As to ammo: wait until after your training to choose ammo. Your > first criteria must be that the gun is utterly, flawlessly reliable > with it. XD's are not known to be fussy feeders, but you need to be > sure. I have not found any ammo that my XD .40 doesn't work > flawlessly with -- but if I had another one of the same model I'd > definitely check it.
> Think about your choice of caliber for a moment. The advantage to > 9mmp is that it has light recoil, double-stackers like the XD hold > lots of 'em -- and ammo is cheap. Forget about the mythical > "one-shot stop" with magic ammo in a 9mmp. You aren't limited to one > shot. If you get several hits in COM, the probability of at least one > of them having the desired effect is at least as good as one hit from > a heavier round that you may not shoot as well. Really critical > spots within COM are not arranged radially from center in importance. > COM is not a bullseye with numbered rings. They're somewhat randomly > distributed. A heavy round works better because it damages a larger > region -- but a lighter round in a right spot is even more effective. > Consider: the 12 gage shotgun with #00 buck is absolutely > unquestioned re stopping power. It merely delivers eighteen 97-grain > balls at 1100 fps. Each of these balls is both lighter and slower > than a 9mmp 124-grain HydraShok JHP, and they don't expand. However, > probability of one or more of them hitting a critical spot is > essentially 1.
> You must be able to shoot well with the ammo you choose, which means > be in complete control of muzzle flip. You are in control when you > can deliver 4 or 5 rounds into COM at 21 feet in under a second.
> A "hot" round that misses has negative efficacy because it still > invites return fire. Recoil should be a non-issue with a full-size XD > in 9mmp, but you need to be sure that's true for you with your piece > and your ammo.
2nd that. I have .45CAP pistols, but my carry gun is a .380, and the backups in my vehicles are 9mm with extra magazines. My house gun is a Hipower clone with 14 rnds of 9mm. I can shoot fine with the .45s, but I'm much more accurate with the 9mm.
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