>Look at this! >http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/hs2000-sa-xd-accessories/61079-powderriv... >A half hour mod, if that. Locating the hole in the trigger bar for the set >screw was the most time, there's .010" on each side clearance. Have a pair >of hemostats handy to install the part. It doesn't lighten the trigger.
On order. Thanks, Tom!
I emailed you three pages of info on recommended SD/HD ammo.
<tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote: >Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took place a >few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in the >neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight.
<snip> ========= While this is indeed a tragedy for the community and the officers family, it is also the totally expected outcome where the condition of increasingly unequal distribution of income exists.
Thus the same socio-economic/cultural conditions of countries with high GINI indici such as Columbia and Brazil should be expected in US areas with similar GINIs. Note that in Brazil, the police are powerless in increasingly large areas of their major metro areas such as Sao Paulo and Rio, with Army units with heavy weapons support including tanks, now being required to even enter many areas.
Officer Owens and his family paid the ultimate price for the existing socio-economc policies. He won't be the last.
FYI [the GINI index below is X 100, i.e. 23.0 = 0.23] a Gini of 0 indicates perfect equality of income, a Gini of 1 indicates perfect inequality of income, i.e. one person gets it all and everyone else gets nothing. USA is #94 out of 134 countries behind Iran and Russia. Remember the GINI is a measure of income distribution, not level.
ranked from most equal to least equal *DISTRIBUTION* of income Country CIA Gini[5] rank Sweden Sweden 23.0 1 Denmark Denmark 24.0 2 Slovenia Slovenia 24.0 3 Iceland Iceland 25.0 4 Austria Austria 26.0 5 the Czech Republic Czech Republic 26.0 6 Finland Finland 26.0 7 Luxembourg Luxembourg 26.0 8 Slovakia Slovakia 26.0 9 Bosnia and Herzegovina Bosnia and Herzegovina 26.2 10 Albania Albania 26.7 11 Belgium Belgium 28.0 12 France France 28.0 13 Germany Germany 28.0 14 Hungary Hungary 28.0 15 Malta Malta 28.0 16 Norway Norway 28.0 17 Croatia Croatia 29.0 18 Cyprus Cyprus 29.0 19 Belarus Belarus 29.7 20 Ethiopia Ethiopia 30.0 21 Montenegro Montenegro 30.0 22 Serbia Serbia 30.0 23 Kyrgyzstan Kyrgyzstan 30.3 24 Pakistan Pakistan 30.6 25 Europe European Union 30.7 26 the Netherlands Netherlands 30.9 27 Romania Romania 31.0 28 Ukraine Ukraine 31.0 29 Bulgaria Bulgaria 31.6 30 Ireland Republic of Ireland 32.0 31 Spain Spain 32.0 32 Canada Canada 32.1 33 Tajikistan Tajikistan 32.6 34 Mongolia Mongolia 32.8 35 Greece Greece 33.0 36 Italy Italy 33.0 37 Moldova Moldova 33.2 38 Bangladesh Bangladesh 33.4 39 Yemen Yemen 33.4 40 Switzerland Switzerland 33.7 41 Kazakhstan Kazakhstan 33.9 42 Estonia Estonia 34.0 43 the United Kingdom United Kingdom 34.0 44 Egypt Egypt 34.4 45 Laos Laos 34.6 46 Tanzania Tanzania 34.6 47 South Korea South Korea 35.1 48 Australia Australia 35.2 49 Algeria Algeria 35.3 50 Lithuania Lithuania 36.0 51 Poland Poland 36.0 52 New Zealand New Zealand 36.2 53 Indonesia Indonesia 36.3 54 Azerbaijan Azerbaijan 36.5 55 Benin Benin 36.5 56 India India 36.8 57 Uzbekistan Uzbekistan 36.8 58 Mauritius Mauritius 37.0 59 Vietnam Vietnam 37.0 60 Latvia Latvia 37.7 61 Portugal Portugal 38.0 62 East Timor Timor-Leste 38.0 63 Guinea Guinea 38.1 64 Japan Japan 38.1 65 Israel Israel 38.6 66 Jordan Jordan 38.8 67 the Republic of Macedonia Republic of Macedonia 39.0 68 Malawi Malawi 39.0 69 Mauritania Mauritania 39.0 70 Burkina Faso Burkina Faso 39.5 71 Morocco Morocco 40.0 72 Tunisia Tunisia 40.0 73 Mali Mali 40.1 74 Georgia (country) Georgia 40.4 75 Ghana Ghana 40.8 76 Turkmenistan Turkmenistan 40.8 77 Armenia Armenia 41.0 78 Russia Russia 41.0 79 Senegal Senegal 41.3 80 Cambodia Cambodia 41.7 81 Thailand Thailand 42.0 82 Burundi Burundi 42.4 83 Singapore Singapore 42.5 84 Iran Iran 43.0 85 Nicaragua Nicaragua 43.1 86 Guyana Guyana 43.2 87 Turkey Turkey 43.6 88 Nigeria Nigeria 43.7 89 Kenya Kenya 44.5 90 the Philippines Philippines 44.5 91 Cameroon Cameroon 44.6 92 Côte d'Ivoire Côte d'Ivoire 44.6 93 ==> United States United States 45.0 94 <== Uruguay Uruguay 45.2 95 Jamaica Jamaica 45.5 96 Uganda Uganda 45.7 97 Ecuador Ecuador 46.0 98 Malaysia Malaysia 46.1 99 Mexico Mexico 46.1 100 Rwanda Rwanda 46.8 101 People's Republic of China 46.9 102 Nepal Nepal 47.2 103 Mozambique Mozambique 47.3 104 Madagascar Madagascar 47.5 105 Venezuela Venezuela 48.2 106 Argentina Argentina 49.0 107 Costa Rica Costa Rica 49.8 108 Sri Lanka Sri Lanka 50.0 109 The Gambia The Gambia 50.2 110 Swaziland Swaziland 50.4 111 Niger Niger 50.5 112 Zambia Zambia 50.8 113 Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea 50.9 114 the Dominican Republic Dominican Republic 51.6 115 Peru Peru 52.0 116 Hong Kong Hong Kong 52.3 117 El Salvador El Salvador 52.4 118 Colombia Colombia 53.8 119 Honduras Honduras 53.8 120 Chile Chile 54.9 121 Guatemala Guatemala 55.1 122 Panama Panama 56.1 123 Brazil Brazil 56.7 124 Zimbabwe Zimbabwe 56.8 125 South Africa South Africa 57.8 126 Paraguay Paraguay 58.4 127 Bolivia Bolivia 59.2 128 Haiti Haiti 59.2 129 the Central African Republic Central African Republic 61.3 130 Sierra Leone Sierra Leone 62.9 131 Botswana Botswana 63.0 132 Lesotho Lesotho 63.2 133 Namibia Namibia 70.7 134
In the United States (by MSA) across time and internationally, there is a very high correlation between quality of life measures such as crimes against property, crimes against persons, and homicide rates, etc.
Until recently individual US MSAs [metropolitan statistical areas] estimates of GINI and crime statistics were available. While this data is apparently still being complied it is no longer available for download by the public. National and internation income and trade date is becoming increaingly restricted.
Unka' George [George McDuffee] ------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?
Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).
-- An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done or left undone in the short run determines the long run. -- Sydney J. Harris
On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:19:14 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> quickly quoth: --snip--
>> i was deleting photos from a computer the other day and found a >>picture of a Kern County Sheriff's cruiser. The legend said, "Well beat >>you up, and take your donuts, too!" Do you want a copy?
>Sure..send it along.
>That photo was the result of having the Lerdo motor pool inmates >having a good time.
>Everyone enjoyed it, including the cops.
Post a link once you have it online, please.
-- An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done or left undone in the short run determines the long run. -- Sydney J. Harris
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>>>>>> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took >>>>>> place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in >>>>>> the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. >>>>>> If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull >>>>>> off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
>>>>>> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed >>>>>> like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had >>>>>> a sense of humor.
>>>>>> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were >>>>>> putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just >>>>>> confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security >>>>>> company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a >>>>>> customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm >>>>>> especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on >>>>>> the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the >>>>>> trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll >>>>>> have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a >>>>>> marginal defense round.
>>>>> If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that >>>>> I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open >>>>> season on the bastards.
>>>>> Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
>>>>> Harold
>>>> Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the >>>> gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our >>>> Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports >>>> arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer >>>> concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest >>>> opportunity.
>>> The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill >>> bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and >>> likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
>>> It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a >>> sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of >>> attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a >>> significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
> "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. > Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) > off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give > them self determination under "play nice" rules.
> Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you > for torturing the cat." Gunner
> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:19:14 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, > Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> quickly quoth: > --snip-- > >> i was deleting photos from a computer the other day and found a > >>picture of a Kern County Sheriff's cruiser. The legend said, "Well beat > >>you up, and take your donuts, too!" Do you want a copy?
> >Sure..send it along.
> >That photo was the result of having the Lerdo motor pool inmates > >having a good time.
> >Everyone enjoyed it, including the cops.
> Post a link once you have it online, please.
Will do. Now, I just have to pry it out of a S-L-O-W Win 95 computer when I get back out to the shop. Give me a couple days.
-- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85.
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:52:20 -0500, "Tom Gardner" > <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>>Look at this! >>http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/hs2000-sa-xd-accessories/61079-powderriv... >>A half hour mod, if that. Locating the hole in the trigger bar for the set >>screw was the most time, there's .010" on each side clearance. Have a pair >>of hemostats handy to install the part. It doesn't lighten the trigger.
> On order. Thanks, Tom!
> I emailed you three pages of info on recommended SD/HD ammo.
I got them, thanks! Stuff in there I didn't know. Daniel at Powder River did a nice job on the part! I talked to him about a slight issue with the striker blocking block. He explained how to check the clearance with the back end of the slide apart and using a flashlight. If you have any questions, please call me. 888-411-3265 toll-free I haven't tested it at the range yet but I will this week. I haven't enjoyed shooting it much as I can't control it as I would like...we'll see. I was looking around on http://www.springerprecision.com/ at some of the shooting tips videos and I want to try some of the grip techniques. I'll figure it out.
Hey,..,I bought em fair and square. I keep em off welfare and when they get sick, I take em for a ride out into the desert for some sun.
A couple weeks later, some Varithane and they make great lawn jockeys to sell at the swap meet. Assuming the coyotes dont get em while they are drying out. Shrug
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote: >On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:19:14 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, >Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAM.earthlink.net> quickly quoth: >--snip-- >>> i was deleting photos from a computer the other day and found a >>>picture of a Kern County Sheriff's cruiser. The legend said, "Well beat >>>you up, and take your donuts, too!" Do you want a copy?
>>Sure..send it along.
>>That photo was the result of having the Lerdo motor pool inmates >>having a good time.
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
>"Don Foreman" <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message >news:bf0ps39gdg7te6q7a471rv9t6q82rhpvba@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:52:20 -0500, "Tom Gardner" >> <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>>>Look at this! >>>http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/hs2000-sa-xd-accessories/61079-powderriv... >>>A half hour mod, if that. Locating the hole in the trigger bar for the set >>>screw was the most time, there's .010" on each side clearance. Have a pair >>>of hemostats handy to install the part. It doesn't lighten the trigger.
>> On order. Thanks, Tom!
>> I emailed you three pages of info on recommended SD/HD ammo.
>I got them, thanks! Stuff in there I didn't know. Daniel at Powder River did a >nice job on the part! I talked to him about a slight issue with the striker >blocking block. He explained how to check the clearance with the back end of >the slide apart and using a flashlight. If you have any questions, please call >me. 888-411-3265 toll-free I haven't tested it at the range yet but I will >this week. I haven't enjoyed shooting it much as I can't control it as I would >like...we'll see. I was looking around on http://www.springerprecision.com/ at >some of the shooting tips videos and I want to try some of the grip techniques. >I'll figure it out.
You will. I do recommend hiring a good coach if you can find one. You could spend considerably more on ammo practicing bad habits than you'd spend on a good coach for an hour or two to get you shooting like you'd like to. Good coaches know stuff and are able to teach.
The XD as found is very, very easy to shoot well enough to pass most cop qual tests. If it is upgraded more towards a 1911-like trigger then it is not as easy for a seldom-shooter but it is capable of much better performance with a bit of practice.
I'll report on my findings re the upgrade. I'm optomistic. I told Daniel the only thing I don't like about my XD .40 is the trigger since I've become functionally proficient with 1911. He said, "we can take care of that." Hoo-ahh!
Ever wonder why the front of the triggerguard on Glocks and XDs are shaped like they are?
<dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote: >>> On order. Thanks, Tom!
>>> I emailed you three pages of info on recommended SD/HD ammo.
>>I got them, thanks! Stuff in there I didn't know. Daniel at Powder River did a >>nice job on the part! I talked to him about a slight issue with the striker >>blocking block. He explained how to check the clearance with the back end of >>the slide apart and using a flashlight. If you have any questions, please call >>me. 888-411-3265 toll-free I haven't tested it at the range yet but I will >>this week. I haven't enjoyed shooting it much as I can't control it as I would >>like...we'll see. I was looking around on http://www.springerprecision.com/ at >>some of the shooting tips videos and I want to try some of the grip techniques. >>I'll figure it out.
>You will. I do recommend hiring a good coach if you can find one. >You could spend considerably more on ammo practicing bad habits than >you'd spend on a good coach for an hour or two to get you shooting >like you'd like to. Good coaches know stuff and are able to teach.
>The XD as found is very, very easy to shoot well enough to pass most >cop qual tests. If it is upgraded more towards a 1911-like trigger >then it is not as easy for a seldom-shooter but it is capable of much >better performance with a bit of practice.
>I'll report on my findings re the upgrade. I'm optomistic. I told >Daniel the only thing I don't like about my XD .40 is the trigger >since I've become functionally proficient with 1911. He said, "we >can take care of that." Hoo-ahh!
>Ever wonder why the front of the triggerguard on Glocks and XDs are >shaped like they are?
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:26:28 -0500, "Tom Gardner" > <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>>"Don Foreman" <dfore...@NOSPAMgoldengate.net> wrote in message >>news:bf0ps39gdg7te6q7a471rv9t6q82rhpvba@4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:52:20 -0500, "Tom Gardner" >>> <tom(nospam)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>>>>Look at this! >>>>http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/hs2000-sa-xd-accessories/61079-powderriv... >>>>A half hour mod, if that. Locating the hole in the trigger bar for the set >>>>screw was the most time, there's .010" on each side clearance. Have a pair >>>>of hemostats handy to install the part. It doesn't lighten the trigger.
>>> On order. Thanks, Tom!
>>> I emailed you three pages of info on recommended SD/HD ammo.
>>I got them, thanks! Stuff in there I didn't know. Daniel at Powder River did >>a >>nice job on the part! I talked to him about a slight issue with the striker >>blocking block. He explained how to check the clearance with the back end of >>the slide apart and using a flashlight. If you have any questions, please >>call >>me. 888-411-3265 toll-free I haven't tested it at the range yet but I will >>this week. I haven't enjoyed shooting it much as I can't control it as I >>would >>like...we'll see. I was looking around on http://www.springerprecision.com/ >>at >>some of the shooting tips videos and I want to try some of the grip >>techniques. >>I'll figure it out.
> You will. I do recommend hiring a good coach if you can find one. > You could spend considerably more on ammo practicing bad habits than > you'd spend on a good coach for an hour or two to get you shooting > like you'd like to. Good coaches know stuff and are able to teach.
> The XD as found is very, very easy to shoot well enough to pass most > cop qual tests. If it is upgraded more towards a 1911-like trigger > then it is not as easy for a seldom-shooter but it is capable of much > better performance with a bit of practice.
> I'll report on my findings re the upgrade. I'm optomistic. I told > Daniel the only thing I don't like about my XD .40 is the trigger > since I've become functionally proficient with 1911. He said, "we > can take care of that." Hoo-ahh!
> Ever wonder why the front of the triggerguard on Glocks and XDs are > shaped like they are?
Ok, I'll bite, tell me about the trigger guard. BTW, I have a combat shooting instructor on my staff and his son is a police instructor. It's just hard to find the time, have to make the time! Roger's eye's DID light-up a bit when he dry fired the XD after I installed the parts and polished the sear and striker. I had him dry fire it 20 times before I diddled it.
Gunner Asch wrote: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:48:34 -0800, "T.Alan Kraus" > <sound...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers
>>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,
>>Try this load , Gunner:
>>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152 >>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to >>transfer energy without going too far...
>>cheers >>T.Alan
> What about expansion? Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well > be shooting FMJs
> Gunner
> "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. > Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) > off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give > them self determination under "play nice" rules.
> Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you > for torturing the cat." Gunner
I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets at about the speed of sound is well known.
>No grip help there! Let's see your speed grip/stance.
Next weekend.
You didnt see the grip/stance with the Benelli?
<G>
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
<sound...@sonic.net> wrote: >Gunner Asch wrote: >> On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:48:34 -0800, "T.Alan Kraus" >> <sound...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers
>>>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,
>>>Try this load , Gunner:
>>>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152 >>>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to >>>transfer energy without going too far...
>>>cheers >>>T.Alan
>> What about expansion? Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well >> be shooting FMJs
>> Gunner
>> "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. >> Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) >> off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give >> them self determination under "play nice" rules.
>> Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you >> for torturing the cat." Gunner
>I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow >point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets at >about the speed of sound is well known.
>cheers >T.Alan
True enough to some aspects. However at those velocities, Glassers or Hydroshocks would be a better choice. Or the NATO truncated cone ammo, if it feeds ok in an individual weapon. Weight does not always mean penetration or kenetic transfer. Frontal diameter does.
For years I loaded .38 Spec. belly guns with hollow based wadcutters, backwards. Then I discovered the Federal Nyclad hps...then the bastards discontinued them...fuckers. Designed to be fired from snubbies and get expansion. Good expansion.
Not enough call for them, since folks are getting away from wheel guns and going to pocket self loaders.
gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
>> Ever wonder why the front of the triggerguard on Glocks and XDs are >> shaped like they are?
>Ok, I'll bite, tell me about the trigger guard.
I've wondered too, and I don't know either. One guy recently showed me a grip that was shown him, but I don't know anything about the source's creds. It involved grabbing the front of the trigger guard with the "trigger finger" of the supporting hand (left hand for a righty). I will say that it does seem to steady things some, and Todd was indeed shooting his XD.40 quite respectably that way.
>>> Ever wonder why the front of the triggerguard on Glocks and XDs are >>> shaped like they are?
>>Ok, I'll bite, tell me about the trigger guard.
>I've wondered too, and I don't know either. One guy recently >showed me a grip that was shown him, but I don't know anything about >the source's creds. It involved grabbing the front of the trigger >guard with the "trigger finger" of the supporting hand (left hand for >a righty). I will say that it does seem to steady things some, and >Todd was indeed shooting his XD.40 quite respectably that way.
The squared off or hooked trigger guard is designed to do exactly this...hook the trigger finger of the weak hand. Pull up with the strong hand wrist, pull down with the weak hand finger, puts you into a "bind"..a mini icosoles (sp?) triangle. Tuck your weak hand thumb UNDER the strong hand thumb, aline side the frame..and you are good to go.
Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.
Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
> On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:54:56 GMT, "Tom Gardner" > <tom(spamless)@ohiobrush.com> wrote:
>>> Ever wonder why the front of the triggerguard on Glocks and XDs are >>> shaped like they are?
>>Ok, I'll bite, tell me about the trigger guard.
> I've wondered too, and I don't know either. One guy recently > showed me a grip that was shown him, but I don't know anything about > the source's creds. It involved grabbing the front of the trigger > guard with the "trigger finger" of the supporting hand (left hand for > a righty). I will say that it does seem to steady things some, and > Todd was indeed shooting his XD.40 quite respectably that way.
The key is for the gun to return to the same position as fast as possible. So, in addition to controlling recoil, minimize any unbalanced side pressure. The problem I seem to have is the double-stack doesn't feel right in my hands. The grip I've used for years just doesn't work, I don't know where to put my hands. With the crappy trigger, the XD sat alone in the case. Did you see the videos on the Springer site? If I wasn't running a night shift, I would have gone in the back. Unfortunately, my people don't concentrate as well with the noise.
> >> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took > >> place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in > >> the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. > >> If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull > >> off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
> >> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed > >> like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had > >> a sense of humor.
> >> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were > >> putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just > >> confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security > >> company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a > >> customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm > >> especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on > >> the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the > >> trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll > >> have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a > >> marginal defense round.
> > If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that > > I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open > > season on the bastards.
> > Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
> > Harold
> Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the > gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our > Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports > arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer > concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest > opportunity.
Well, you're clearly anti American. You should leave the country. How dare you say all those negative and critical things about this country. This is the best country in the world. I can't stand unpatriotic people who do nothing but put down this great country. It's guys like him that are tearing this country down. America, love it or leave it is what I always say.
> >>> Officer Derek Owens died of a gunshot wound Saturday. The shooting took > >>> place a few blocks from my shop and I just happen to be running errands in > >>> the neighborhood and was a few hundred feet from the place of the gunfight. > >>> If I would have had a window open, I'd have heard the shots. I had to pull > >>> off the road three times to let cop cars speed by on 93rd street.
> >>> Derek was one of the cops that followed up on some of my break-ins, he seemed > >>> like a nice guy and was truly concerned about my problems. I remember he had > >>> a sense of humor.
> >>> My point being that a recent thread about how "religious zealots" were > >>> putting too many of these animals in prison. WTF??? This incident just > >>> confirms my conviction to get my ccw. It just so happens that the security > >>> company that I hire for the shop teaches the course every month and as a > >>> customer, I get a 20% discount. I've decided to carry my Springfield XD-9mm > >>> especially after installing an aftermarket trigger and a bit of polishing on > >>> the sear and striker and installing a 4-40 overtravel limit set screw on the > >>> trigger bar. The trigger is now SWEET! (Don, are you reading this?) I'll > >>> have to get a hold of Gunner for ammo recommendations as I think 9mm is a > >>> marginal defense round.
> >> If you'll check the same thread of which you made reference, you'll see that > >> I'm not sympathetic of criminals. Far as I'm concerned, it should be open > >> season on the bastards.
> >> Very sorry to hear of the tragedy with Officer Owens.
> >> Harold
> >Cleveland is out of control! The joblessness, the failed schools and the > >gestalt mentality have turned the inner city into a no man's land. Our > >Democratic government spends money like water on convention centers and sports > >arenas. The unions would rather see businesses shut down than offer > >concessions. Companies have left in droves. I'll move at the earliest > >opportunity.
> The little town I live in, would love to have your busines. And Ill > bet you could get significant tax breaks from local government, and > likely free or near free land and perhaps a facliity existant.
> It IS California..but its a Strongly conservative county, with a > sherriff who is almost Shall Issue with CCWs. We dont pay a lot of > attention to Sacramento, and as its a town in decline..there is a > significant workforce available. And hungry for new business.
> Gunner
I live in California too. I know where Taft is. I've driven by there plenty of times. It's crap. Believe me you wouldn't want to live there. Why do you think "it's a town in decline" when the rest of California continues to grow? That ought to tell you how attractive a place to live it is. It's flat, hot, dry, and in the middle of nowhere. No wonder Popgunner lives there. It's perfect for him.
> >>>Btw...Gold Dots are my personal favorite in most handguns/calibers
> >>>Dont bother with any of the 147gr bullets in ANY 9mm,
> >>Try this load , Gunner:
> >>147gr JHP Remington, 4.5gr Herco, CCI primer loaded to COL=1.152 > >>Close to subsonic in a HP35 , good indoor defense round, tends to > >>transfer energy without going too far...
> >>cheers > >>T.Alan
> > What about expansion? Shooting a JHP that wont expand...might as well > > be shooting FMJs
> > Gunner
> > "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. > > Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) > > off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give > > them self determination under "play nice" rules.
> > Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you > > for torturing the cat." Gunner
> I think expansion is out of the question at that speed, but the hollow > point acts as a meplat, and the effectiveness of a meplat for bullets at > about the speed of sound is well known.
Some of today's best hollowpoints are specifically designed to expand at quite slow speeds. I think it's Speer that has a 135 grain load in .38 special that is designed specifically for snubbies. Tests show it expands at snub nosed speeds consistently. You just have to know your bullets. As to the 147 grain 9mms, they are being used by a number of law enforcement agencies and with the low speed expanding bullets they have a very good record for stopping power. The days of the super high speed 115 grain 9mm bullets being the way to go are long gone. Any modern 9mm bullet does a good job. It's more personal preference than performance these days. Me, I like the 124 grainers in Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, and the Hornady XTPs, which are known to penetrate more than the others but not as much as Winchester silvertips. Like they say, it's all good nowadays, and that includes the 147 grain ones too.
> I live in California too. I know where Taft is. I've driven by there plenty > of times. It's crap. Believe me you wouldn't want to live there. Why do you > think "it's a town in decline" when the rest of California continues to > grow? That ought to tell you how attractive a place to live it is. It's > flat, hot, dry, and in the middle of nowhere. No wonder Popgunner lives > there. It's perfect for him.
Then stop in, knock on his door, and tell him face to face, coward.
-- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85.
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