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George Plimpton
Mar 5, 2013, 5:33:29 PM3/5/13
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http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Fred G. Smit
Mar 5, 2013, 6:03:33 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 4:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
he was a great baseball player ..
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
he was a great baseball player ..
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Mar 5, 2013, 6:07:03 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 3:03 PM, Fred G. Smit wrote:
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Dave Smith
Mar 5, 2013, 6:10:54 PM3/5/13
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On 05/03/2013 5:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
We should buy flowers.... for ourselves.
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Frank
Mar 5, 2013, 7:02:11 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 5:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Flags are flying at half mast in Hollywood.
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Robert Kennedy Jr is disconsolate on the lose of his sponsor.
Barry Bruyea
Mar 5, 2013, 7:18:41 PM3/5/13
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
>http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Sean Penn, Danny Glover & Oliver Stone seem to have a different
opinion, which makes one wonder how the hell they get through each day
and survive getting hit by cars, buses and falling buildings.
wrote:
>http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
opinion, which makes one wonder how the hell they get through each day
and survive getting hit by cars, buses and falling buildings.
SpamBuster
Mar 5, 2013, 7:25:10 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 4:02 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 3/5/2013 5:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 3/5/2013 5:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
Frank
Mar 5, 2013, 7:42:47 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 7:25 PM, SpamBuster wrote:
Aw go bust yourself.
Aw go bust yourself.
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Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Mar 5, 2013, 8:45:15 PM3/5/13
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On Mar 5, 7:17 pm, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
> Do you know why celebrities are almost always liberal? Because very
> talented people are rarely stupid
Is that right? So you think standing in front of a camera and reciting
memorized lines for $millions a year means you're not stupid????
> talented people are rarely stupid
Is that right? So you think standing in front of a camera and reciting
memorized lines for $millions a year means you're not stupid????
George Plimpton
Mar 5, 2013, 8:47:36 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 5:17 PM, Denny wrote:
particularly of the hyperemotional, reflexive, unthinking kind
exemplified by Hollywood celebrities, *IS* stupidity itself. Sean Penn
and Oliver Stone are monumentally stupid people. Sean Penn couldn't
find his own ass with both hands and a flashlight. Penn is too much
even for some Hollywood celebrities - one called him a "communist
asshole", which is exactly right.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/finally-actress-tells-sean-penn-hes-a-communist-asshole-video/
Communist assholes are always stupid.
> Do you know why celebrities are almost always liberal? Because very
> talented people are rarely stupid
Celebrities seldom have talent and are usually stupid. Liberalism,
> talented people are rarely stupid
particularly of the hyperemotional, reflexive, unthinking kind
exemplified by Hollywood celebrities, *IS* stupidity itself. Sean Penn
and Oliver Stone are monumentally stupid people. Sean Penn couldn't
find his own ass with both hands and a flashlight. Penn is too much
even for some Hollywood celebrities - one called him a "communist
asshole", which is exactly right.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/finally-actress-tells-sean-penn-hes-a-communist-asshole-video/
Communist assholes are always stupid.
Chom Noamsky
Mar 5, 2013, 9:08:06 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 2:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
What is it with Marxists and cancer... oh wait, they are cancer.
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
Mar 5, 2013, 9:11:35 PM3/5/13
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On Mar 5, 8:08 pm, Chom Noamsky <wea...@stew.yum> wrote:
> On 3/5/2013 2:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
> >http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
> On 3/5/2013 2:33 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>
> > Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> What is it with Marxists and cancer... oh wait, they are cancer.
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when Hugo reached the pearly
> > Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> What is it with Marxists and cancer... oh wait, they are cancer.
gates. I bet ol' St.pete didn't say a word, just shook his head and
pointed towards the down elevator. LOL !!
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George Plimpton
Mar 5, 2013, 9:46:30 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 6:43 PM, Denny wrote:
> Ah I know where you got your info, you watch Bill O'Reilly.
No.
No.
Jim Wilkins
Mar 5, 2013, 10:09:53 PM3/5/13
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"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
<burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5bce1818-0584-4487...@r13g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
reciting
-memorized lines for $millions a year means you're not stupid????
He's never tried to teach them how to use a screwdriver.
Very talented people are often hopelessly neurotic wrecks who have
learned how to make a living expressing it.
On tonight's "Smash"
"If you're two-faced, make sure at least one of them is pretty".
<burto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 5, 7:17 pm, dzweib...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
> Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton
> > <geo...@si.not>
> > wrote:
>
> > >http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305
> > >,0,7894283.story
>
> > >Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for
> > >Venezuelans.
>
> > Sean Penn, Danny Glover & Oliver Stone seem to have a different
> > opinion, which makes one wonder how the hell they get through each
> > day
> > and survive getting hit by cars, buses and falling buildings.
>
> Do you know why celebrities are almost always liberal? Because very
> talented people are rarely stupid
-Is that right? So you think standing in front of a camera and
> Barry Bruyea <damnthetorped...@duck.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton
> > <geo...@si.not>
> > wrote:
>
> > >http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305
> > >,0,7894283.story
>
> > >Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for
> > >Venezuelans.
>
> > Sean Penn, Danny Glover & Oliver Stone seem to have a different
> > opinion, which makes one wonder how the hell they get through each
> > day
> > and survive getting hit by cars, buses and falling buildings.
>
> Do you know why celebrities are almost always liberal? Because very
> talented people are rarely stupid
reciting
-memorized lines for $millions a year means you're not stupid????
He's never tried to teach them how to use a screwdriver.
Very talented people are often hopelessly neurotic wrecks who have
learned how to make a living expressing it.
On tonight's "Smash"
"If you're two-faced, make sure at least one of them is pretty".
George Plimpton
Mar 5, 2013, 10:36:53 PM3/5/13
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I don't watch TV, and I'm not conservative.
"Tentril" isn't a word.
twestman
Mar 5, 2013, 10:44:41 PM3/5/13
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On 05 Mar 2013, Barry Bruyea <damnthet...@duck.com> posted some
news:mo2dj8h83pf2ah0ob...@4ax.com:
Sean Penn and the others are communist parasites who would be scrubbing
public toilets if they had not whored themselves in Hollywood.
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news:mo2dj8h83pf2ah0ob...@4ax.com:
public toilets if they had not whored themselves in Hollywood.
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Jim Wilkins
Mar 5, 2013, 10:50:54 PM3/5/13
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"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Very talented people are often hopelessly neurotic wrecks who have
> learned how to make a living expressing it.
http://www.funnyordie.com/
> learned how to make a living expressing it.
David R. Birch
Mar 5, 2013, 11:08:29 PM3/5/13
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On 3/5/2013 7:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> Celebrities seldom have talent and are usually stupid. Liberalism,
> particularly of the hyperemotional, reflexive, unthinking kind
> exemplified by Hollywood celebrities, *IS* stupidity itself. Sean Penn
> and Oliver Stone are monumentally stupid people. Sean Penn couldn't
> find his own ass with both hands and a flashlight. Penn is too much
> even for some Hollywood celebrities - one called him a "communist
> asshole", which is exactly right.
> http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/finally-actress-tells-sean-penn-hes-a-communist-asshole-video/
>
>
> Communist assholes are always stupid.
I don't think that's quite fair to poor Sean.
> Celebrities seldom have talent and are usually stupid. Liberalism,
> particularly of the hyperemotional, reflexive, unthinking kind
> exemplified by Hollywood celebrities, *IS* stupidity itself. Sean Penn
> and Oliver Stone are monumentally stupid people. Sean Penn couldn't
> find his own ass with both hands and a flashlight. Penn is too much
> even for some Hollywood celebrities - one called him a "communist
> asshole", which is exactly right.
> http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/20/finally-actress-tells-sean-penn-hes-a-communist-asshole-video/
>
>
> Communist assholes are always stupid.
I'm sure he was an asshole long before he became a communist.
David
Orval Fairbairn
Mar 6, 2013, 12:14:25 AM3/6/13
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In article
<01a1ef59-2ea3-45e9...@l13g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
Hugo mentioned "smelling the sulfur" when he addressed the UN a few
years ago. I wonder how much sulfur he is smelling now.
<01a1ef59-2ea3-45e9...@l13g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
years ago. I wonder how much sulfur he is smelling now.
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George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 2:27:39 AM3/6/13
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On 3/5/2013 9:32 PM, Denny wrote:
> In your theology, does every socialist, communist, et al, go to hell?
> How about Pinochet, a murderer, but a right-winger, allied with the US?
>
Pinochet was not allied with the US.
All totalitarians go to hell. Pinochet, Chavez, Hitler, Stalin, Mao -
they're all in hell. Totalitarians are always murderers, and murderers
go to hell.
> How about Pinochet, a murderer, but a right-winger, allied with the US?
>
Pinochet was not allied with the US.
All totalitarians go to hell. Pinochet, Chavez, Hitler, Stalin, Mao -
they're all in hell. Totalitarians are always murderers, and murderers
go to hell.
Why are people so cruel
Mar 6, 2013, 3:08:35 AM3/6/13
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"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
news:1a1b3$513672b6$414e828e$22...@EVERESTKC.NET...
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
And was elected in democratic elections on three or four (?) occasions by
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
the
majority of Venezuelans - seems to me he made life better for the exploited
classes and made life harder for those that did the exploiting whereas the
USA
has elections which are won by those with the deepest pockets and do very
little to improve the living conditions of the great majority of Americans -
but
seem very happy to bail out their mates on Wall St and in Detroit and then
allow them to shove it up the average Joe.
JohnJohnsn
Mar 6, 2013, 4:36:25 AM3/6/13
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On Mar 5, 4:33 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 07:28 PM
By Bill Hoffmann
A host of Hollywood A-listers have rushed to support Hugo Chavez over
the years — the most glaring example of which was Sean Penn.
The Oscar-winning actor Penn continuously praised Chavez, saying he
generously helped his country’s poor and destitute and was a
fascinating and bold leader.
Chavez, who ruled Venezuela with an iron fist for 14 years, died on
Tuesday after battling cancer for two years. He had, over the years,
been feted by Hollywood's elite even as he remained a thorn in the
side of America's policies in the region.
During the Penn visit to Chavez, the loudmouth star ripped the
policies of President George W. Bush towards Chavez and once whipped
himself into such a frenzy that he reportedly called for the arrest of
those who referred to Chavez as a dictator.
“[Chavez is] one of the most important forces we've had on this
planet," Penn gushed late last year as the Venezuelan president’s
health deteriorated.
“And I’ll wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over
and over again. I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude.
“I just want to say, from my very American point of view, of my friend
President Chavez: It is only possible to be so inspiring as he is, as
a two-way street.’’
Penn also accused the American media of going after Chavez and telling
“lies’’ about him.
The actor’s love of Chavez became so embarrassing to some in Hollywood
that Matt Stone and Trey Parker savagely lampooned him in their movie
"Team America: World Police" a parody that infuriated the star.
Penn had plenty of company when it came to his Chavez worship.
Other unabashed admirers included Kevin Spacey, Danny Glover, Oliver
Stone, Harry Belafonte, Naomi Campbell, and Princeton University
Professor Cornel West.
And some are nearly as critical as Penn.
Belafonte labeled George W. Bush the "greatest tyrant in the world,’’
while telling Chavez how “millions’’ of Americans supported him.
Boxing promoter Don King praised Chavez and his "revolution,’’
announcing, "To see what is happening here makes me feel good all
over.’’
-30-
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/chavez-celebrity-supporters-penn/2013/03/05/id/493301
>
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
Sean Penn and Other Hollywood Elite Worshipped Chavez
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 07:28 PM
By Bill Hoffmann
A host of Hollywood A-listers have rushed to support Hugo Chavez over
the years — the most glaring example of which was Sean Penn.
The Oscar-winning actor Penn continuously praised Chavez, saying he
generously helped his country’s poor and destitute and was a
fascinating and bold leader.
Chavez, who ruled Venezuela with an iron fist for 14 years, died on
Tuesday after battling cancer for two years. He had, over the years,
been feted by Hollywood's elite even as he remained a thorn in the
side of America's policies in the region.
During the Penn visit to Chavez, the loudmouth star ripped the
policies of President George W. Bush towards Chavez and once whipped
himself into such a frenzy that he reportedly called for the arrest of
those who referred to Chavez as a dictator.
“[Chavez is] one of the most important forces we've had on this
planet," Penn gushed late last year as the Venezuelan president’s
health deteriorated.
“And I’ll wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over
and over again. I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude.
“I just want to say, from my very American point of view, of my friend
President Chavez: It is only possible to be so inspiring as he is, as
a two-way street.’’
Penn also accused the American media of going after Chavez and telling
“lies’’ about him.
The actor’s love of Chavez became so embarrassing to some in Hollywood
that Matt Stone and Trey Parker savagely lampooned him in their movie
"Team America: World Police" a parody that infuriated the star.
Penn had plenty of company when it came to his Chavez worship.
Other unabashed admirers included Kevin Spacey, Danny Glover, Oliver
Stone, Harry Belafonte, Naomi Campbell, and Princeton University
Professor Cornel West.
And some are nearly as critical as Penn.
Belafonte labeled George W. Bush the "greatest tyrant in the world,’’
while telling Chavez how “millions’’ of Americans supported him.
Boxing promoter Don King praised Chavez and his "revolution,’’
announcing, "To see what is happening here makes me feel good all
over.’’
-30-
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/chavez-celebrity-supporters-penn/2013/03/05/id/493301
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George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 10:02:43 AM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 12:08 AM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>
> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> news:1a1b3$513672b6$414e828e$22...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> And was elected in democratic elections on three or four (?) occasions
Once. All the reelections were fraudulent.
>
> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> news:1a1b3$513672b6$414e828e$22...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> And was elected in democratic elections on three or four (?) occasions
> seems to me he made life better for the exploited
> classes and made life harder for those that did the exploiting
from producers and redistributed to parasitic do-nothing consumers.
> [ignorant but predictable Occutard bullshit snipped]
George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 10:12:37 AM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 1:36 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
> On Mar 5, 4:33 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>
> Sean Penn and Other Hollywood Elite Worshipped Chavez
> Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 07:28 PM
> By Bill Hoffmann
>
> A host of Hollywood A-listers have rushed to support Hugo Chavez over
> the years � the most glaring example of which was Sean Penn.
> On Mar 5, 4:33 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>
> Sean Penn and Other Hollywood Elite Worshipped Chavez
> Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 07:28 PM
> By Bill Hoffmann
>
> A host of Hollywood A-listers have rushed to support Hugo Chavez over
>
> The Oscar-winning actor Penn continuously praised Chavez, saying he
> generously helped his country�s poor and destitute and was a
> The Oscar-winning actor Penn continuously praised Chavez, saying he
> fascinating and bold leader.
Penn is an ignorant asshole.
> Chavez, who ruled Venezuela with an iron fist for 14 years, died on
> Tuesday after battling cancer for two years. He had, over the years,
> been feted by Hollywood's elite even as he remained a thorn in the
> side of America's policies in the region.
>
> During the Penn visit to Chavez, the loudmouth star ripped the
> policies of President George W. Bush towards Chavez and once whipped
> himself into such a frenzy that he reportedly called for the arrest of
> those who referred to Chavez as a dictator.
>
> planet," Penn gushed late last year as the Venezuelan president�s
> health deteriorated.
>
> �And I�ll wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over
> and over again. I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude.
>
> �I just want to say, from my very American point of view, of my friend
>
> President Chavez: It is only possible to be so inspiring as he is, as
> a two-way street.��
>
> Penn also accused the American media of going after Chavez and telling
> �lies�� about him.
> Penn also accused the American media of going after Chavez and telling
>
> The actor�s love of Chavez became so embarrassing to some in Hollywood
> that Matt Stone and Trey Parker savagely lampooned him in their movie
> "Team America: World Police" a parody that infuriated the star.
>
> Penn had plenty of company when it came to his Chavez worship.
>
> Other unabashed admirers included Kevin Spacey, Danny Glover, Oliver
> Stone, Harry Belafonte, Naomi Campbell, and Princeton University
> Professor Cornel West.
>
> And some are nearly as critical as Penn.
>
> Belafonte labeled George W. Bush the "greatest tyrant in the world,��
> "Team America: World Police" a parody that infuriated the star.
>
> Penn had plenty of company when it came to his Chavez worship.
>
> Other unabashed admirers included Kevin Spacey, Danny Glover, Oliver
> Stone, Harry Belafonte, Naomi Campbell, and Princeton University
> Professor Cornel West.
>
> And some are nearly as critical as Penn.
>
> while telling Chavez how �millions�� of Americans supported him.
Belafonte is an idiot, too. Bush was hardly a "tyrant". He was
undoubtedly the worst president of the last 100 years, possibly the
worst ever, but not a tyrant.
> Boxing promoter Don King praised Chavez and his "revolution,��
> announcing, "To see what is happening here makes me feel good all
> over.��
Don King?!? Ha ha ha ha! King once described the American legal system
thusly: "That is why we have a system of justice; of 'Jewishprudence'."
http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/justice.wav
Ed Huntress
Mar 6, 2013, 10:31:27 AM3/6/13
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On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 07:12:37 -0800, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:
>On 3/6/2013 1:36 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
>> On Mar 5, 4:33 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
>>>
>>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>>
>> Sean Penn and Other Hollywood Elite Worshipped Chavez
>> Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 07:28 PM
>> By Bill Hoffmann
>>
>> A host of Hollywood A-listers have rushed to support Hugo Chavez over
>> the years — the most glaring example of which was Sean Penn.
>>
>> The actor’s love of Chavez became so embarrassing to some in Hollywood
NYC, many years ago. He's an overrated idiot, too.
Intellectually, he couldn't hold a candle to Shelby Steele, although
Steele looks like he gets his tan at the same spray booth as John
Boehner. He doesn't really look black.
--
Ed Huntress
>
>
>
>> Boxing promoter Don King praised Chavez and his "revolution,’’
wrote:
>On 3/6/2013 1:36 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
>> On Mar 5, 4:33 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
>>>
>>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>>
>> Sean Penn and Other Hollywood Elite Worshipped Chavez
>> Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 07:28 PM
>> By Bill Hoffmann
>>
>> A host of Hollywood A-listers have rushed to support Hugo Chavez over
>>
>> The Oscar-winning actor Penn continuously praised Chavez, saying he
>> generously helped his country’s poor and destitute and was a
>> The Oscar-winning actor Penn continuously praised Chavez, saying he
>> fascinating and bold leader.
>
>Penn is an ignorant asshole.
>
>
>> Chavez, who ruled Venezuela with an iron fist for 14 years, died on
>> Tuesday after battling cancer for two years. He had, over the years,
>> been feted by Hollywood's elite even as he remained a thorn in the
>> side of America's policies in the region.
>>
>> During the Penn visit to Chavez, the loudmouth star ripped the
>> policies of President George W. Bush towards Chavez and once whipped
>> himself into such a frenzy that he reportedly called for the arrest of
>> those who referred to Chavez as a dictator.
>>
>
>Penn is an ignorant asshole.
>
>
>> Chavez, who ruled Venezuela with an iron fist for 14 years, died on
>> Tuesday after battling cancer for two years. He had, over the years,
>> been feted by Hollywood's elite even as he remained a thorn in the
>> side of America's policies in the region.
>>
>> During the Penn visit to Chavez, the loudmouth star ripped the
>> policies of President George W. Bush towards Chavez and once whipped
>> himself into such a frenzy that he reportedly called for the arrest of
>> those who referred to Chavez as a dictator.
>>
>> “[Chavez is] one of the most important forces we've had on this
>> planet," Penn gushed late last year as the Venezuelan president’s
>> health deteriorated.
>>
>> “And I’ll wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over
>> planet," Penn gushed late last year as the Venezuelan president’s
>> health deteriorated.
>>
>> and over again. I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude.
>>
>> “I just want to say, from my very American point of view, of my friend
>>
>> President Chavez: It is only possible to be so inspiring as he is, as
>> a two-way street.’’
>>
>> Penn also accused the American media of going after Chavez and telling
>> “lies’’ about him.
>> Penn also accused the American media of going after Chavez and telling
>>
>> The actor’s love of Chavez became so embarrassing to some in Hollywood
>> that Matt Stone and Trey Parker savagely lampooned him in their movie
>> "Team America: World Police" a parody that infuriated the star.
>>
>> Penn had plenty of company when it came to his Chavez worship.
>>
>> Other unabashed admirers included Kevin Spacey, Danny Glover, Oliver
>> Stone, Harry Belafonte, Naomi Campbell, and Princeton University
>> Professor Cornel West.
>>
>> And some are nearly as critical as Penn.
>>
>> "Team America: World Police" a parody that infuriated the star.
>>
>> Penn had plenty of company when it came to his Chavez worship.
>>
>> Other unabashed admirers included Kevin Spacey, Danny Glover, Oliver
>> Stone, Harry Belafonte, Naomi Campbell, and Princeton University
>> Professor Cornel West.
>>
>> And some are nearly as critical as Penn.
>>
>> Belafonte labeled George W. Bush the "greatest tyrant in the world,’’
>> while telling Chavez how “millions’’ of Americans supported him.
>
>Belafonte is an idiot, too. Bush was hardly a "tyrant". He was
>undoubtedly the worst president of the last 100 years, possibly the
>worst ever, but not a tyrant.
I once sat next to Cornel West on the train from Princeton Junction to
>Belafonte is an idiot, too. Bush was hardly a "tyrant". He was
>undoubtedly the worst president of the last 100 years, possibly the
>worst ever, but not a tyrant.
NYC, many years ago. He's an overrated idiot, too.
Intellectually, he couldn't hold a candle to Shelby Steele, although
Steele looks like he gets his tan at the same spray booth as John
Boehner. He doesn't really look black.
--
Ed Huntress
>
>
>
>> Boxing promoter Don King praised Chavez and his "revolution,’’
>> announcing, "To see what is happening here makes me feel good all
>> over.’’
Dhu on Gate
Mar 6, 2013, 10:37:41 AM3/6/13
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
Dhu
--
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.
> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election. The world will miss him, if only for that.
>
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
Dhu
--
Ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco.
Dave Smith
Mar 6, 2013, 11:10:56 AM3/6/13
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On 06/03/2013 10:37 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election. The world will miss him, if only for that.
>
>
He would not be the first despot to be elected or re-elected in an election.
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election. The world will miss him, if only for that.
>
>
Ramon F. Herrera
Mar 6, 2013, 11:16:43 AM3/6/13
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On Mar 6, 9:37 am, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
> >http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>
> > Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election.
> The world will miss him, if only for that.
>
Sorry. The ONLY Chavez election that can be qualified as fair is the
> > Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election.
> The world will miss him, if only for that.
>
initial one, when he became president in 1998.
The 2004 Recall Referendum was the biggest electoral fraud in the
history of the Americas. Too bad Carter certified it.
-Ramon
George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 11:27:19 AM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 7:37 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election.
No, he didn't. What fucking election were /you/ watching, cuntflaps?
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election.
According to the Associated Press, Venezuela’s electoral council
has declared that Hugo Chavez beat Henriques Capriles in Sunday’s
presidential election with about 54 percent of the vote, despite
exit polls showing otherwise.
Venezuela Twitter users have claimed Chavez’s victory was wrought
with election fraud, and that the socialist incumbent president
sent tanks into the streets of his country as those exit poll
reports showed him losing. A picture of the tanks surfaced on
Twitter Sunday evening.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/07/report-exit-polls-show-hugo-chavez-lost-venezuelan-election/#ixzz2MmFavlLa
Amid an imploding economy, runaway inflation, shortages of basic
goods, electricity blackouts, surging violence, and widespread
accusations of voter fraud in Venezuela, socialist strongman Hugo
Chávez allegedly won a narrow victory in Sunday’s presidential
election, according to the nation’s National Electoral Council
(CNE). Though the Venezuelan regime has a ban on publishing the
results of exit polls, a widely cited survey conducted by the
consulting firm Varianza showed opposition candidate Henrique
Capriles ahead by a slim margin as the vote was coming to an end.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/south-america/item/13138-amid-accusations-of-fraud-socialist-chavez-wins-election
Being a doctrinaire left-wing fuckwit, though, you have to pretend to
see something else.
Chavez imposed a constitution that limited the president to two terms;
then, when he didn't like that restriction, he simply lifted it through
a sham "referendum".
This guy was just one more in a long line of Latin American
caudillos...and because his caudilloism was left-wing, you lap it up.
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George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 12:19:25 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 8:54 AM, Denny wrote:
> Like George W. Bush
Bush was a terrible president, but not a despot. You reveal your
chronic moral confusion too easily.
Bush was a terrible president, but not a despot. You reveal your
chronic moral confusion too easily.
Stormin Mormon
Mar 6, 2013, 12:19:55 PM3/6/13
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Strange. I was thinking the guy who was recently reelected.
Christopher A. Young
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>
> He would not be the first despot to be elected or re-elected in an
> election.
Like George W. Bush
> He would not be the first despot to be elected or re-elected in an
> election.
Orval Fairbairn
Mar 6, 2013, 12:43:30 PM3/6/13
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In article <20130306003234.886$1...@newsreader.com>,
like Stalin, lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Hugo Chavez, Fidel and
Raul Castro, Che Guevara, Kim il Sung, Kim Sung Il, Benito Mussolini and
Adolph Hitler, go there, as well as Pinochet, Chaing Kai Chek, Francisco
Franco, Attila the Hun, most of the Caesars and a host of other tyrants
throughout h
istory.
> In your theology, does every socialist, communist, et al, go to hell?
> How about Pinochet, a murderer, but a right-winger, allied with the US?
No -- all tyrants and oppressors go there, including your leftist heroes
> How about Pinochet, a murderer, but a right-winger, allied with the US?
like Stalin, lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Hugo Chavez, Fidel and
Raul Castro, Che Guevara, Kim il Sung, Kim Sung Il, Benito Mussolini and
Adolph Hitler, go there, as well as Pinochet, Chaing Kai Chek, Francisco
Franco, Attila the Hun, most of the Caesars and a host of other tyrants
throughout h
istory.
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George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 1:09:16 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 9:45 AM, Denny wrote:
> Occutard? What the hell is that. Your cutesy little tardwords really
> impress.
It's a portmanteau word combining "occupy movement" and "retard", and it
fits you like a glove. See
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=occutard
> impress.
It's a portmanteau word combining "occupy movement" and "retard", and it
fits you like a glove. See
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=occutard
Dave Smith
Mar 6, 2013, 1:28:30 PM3/6/13
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On 06/03/2013 11:54 AM, Denny wrote:
s.
>>>
>>> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election. The world will miss
>>> him, if only for that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> He would not be the first despot to be elected or re-elected in an
>> election.
>
> Like George W. Bush
s.
>>>
>>> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election. The world will miss
>>> him, if only for that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> He would not be the first despot to be elected or re-elected in an
>> election.
>
>
I was referring only to the election. I opted at the time not to even
mention that one because I thought it was about fair and honest election
and that one, IMO, certainly makes me wonder about the honesty and
fairness and American elections.
Dave Smith
Mar 6, 2013, 1:30:05 PM3/6/13
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invade other countries, like suggesting they were a threat to US
interests because they had a vast arsenal of WMDs and had to be disarmed.
Dave Smith
Mar 6, 2013, 1:36:10 PM3/6/13
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On 06/03/2013 11:27 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
> Being a doctrinaire left-wing fuckwit, though, you have to pretend to
> see something else.
>
> Chavez imposed a constitution that limited the president to two terms;
> then, when he didn't like that restriction, he simply lifted it through
> a sham "referendum".
>
> This guy was just one more in a long line of Latin American
> caudillos...and because his caudilloism was left-wing, you lap it up.
Is is always leftists that do things like that. The US went to war in
> Being a doctrinaire left-wing fuckwit, though, you have to pretend to
> see something else.
>
> Chavez imposed a constitution that limited the president to two terms;
> then, when he didn't like that restriction, he simply lifted it through
> a sham "referendum".
>
> This guy was just one more in a long line of Latin American
> caudillos...and because his caudilloism was left-wing, you lap it up.
Vietnam over an issue that could have been resolved with a democratic
election. The Vietnamese had a massive nationalist movement that wanted
to wrestle their country away from France. The communists were only one
of many nationalist groups. There was a civil war and the country was
divided roughly in the middle. The deal that ended that war left the
communists in charge of the North and called for a national referendum
on reunification by. As the date for the referendum approached and it
became very clear that the communists were going to win the popular
vote, the corrupt leadership of the south had the full support of the
US to cancel the referendum.
So here you are accusing one leader of holding a sham referendum when
the US supported an truly corrupt regime to cancel a previously agrees
upon vote because they knew they were going to lose.
George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 2:08:46 PM3/6/13
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George W. Bush as president. People who say the Supreme Court
"appointed" him president are idiots. The endless Democrat attempts at
recounts in Florida were a blatant attempt at stealing the election.
It's quite likely they weren't even attempting to win the state's
electoral votes; they more likely were trying to *prevent* the state's
vote from being certified and reported to Congress, which would have
given the election to Gore. It was blatant. The Supreme Court put a
stop to it, and Bush was duly elected by the Electoral College. Every
subsequent analysis showed that Bush would have won Florida no matter
how many recounts were done, as long as the ballots were not manipulated
and contaminated by Democrats.
Bush's reelection was never credibly challenged as being anything less
than clean.
George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 2:10:54 PM3/6/13
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Despot:
2 a : a ruler with absolute power and authority
b : a person exercising power tyrannically
Bush was neither. He was just a stupid, bad president, but not a despot.
George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 2:11:53 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 10:36 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 06/03/2013 11:27 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> Being a doctrinaire left-wing fuckwit, though, you have to pretend to
>> see something else.
>>
>> Chavez imposed a constitution that limited the president to two terms;
>> then, when he didn't like that restriction, he simply lifted it through
>> a sham "referendum".
>>
>> This guy was just one more in a long line of Latin American
>> caudillos...and because his caudilloism was left-wing, you lap it up.
>
>
>
> Is is always leftists that do things like that. [...]
> On 06/03/2013 11:27 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> Being a doctrinaire left-wing fuckwit, though, you have to pretend to
>> see something else.
>>
>> Chavez imposed a constitution that limited the president to two terms;
>> then, when he didn't like that restriction, he simply lifted it through
>> a sham "referendum".
>>
>> This guy was just one more in a long line of Latin American
>> caudillos...and because his caudilloism was left-wing, you lap it up.
>
>
>
No, it isn't - but in this case, it was.
Dhu on Gate
Mar 6, 2013, 2:59:54 PM3/6/13
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Ed Huntress
Mar 6, 2013, 3:09:29 PM3/6/13
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On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 19:59:54 GMT, Dhu on Gate <camp...@neotext.ca>
wrote:
Whoops! Insanity alert! Give this poster a wide berth and don't turn
your back on him/her/it.
--
Ed Huntress
wrote:
your back on him/her/it.
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George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 3:36:27 PM3/6/13
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George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 3:37:38 PM3/6/13
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most uncurious and anti-intellectual and plain old *lazy* president in
over a century.
You actually come closer to being a fool.
Stormin Mormon
Mar 6, 2013, 4:17:35 PM3/6/13
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I'd expect a despot to create a "department of Fatherland Security" armed
with lots of ammo, tanks, and weapons of war. You know, the kind Obama says
don't belong on the streets of USA.
A despot would declare that he has the power to kill anyone in the nation,
with or without due process of law. You know, like the drones Obama is
ordering to be built.
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with lots of ammo, tanks, and weapons of war. You know, the kind Obama says
don't belong on the streets of USA.
A despot would declare that he has the power to kill anyone in the nation,
with or without due process of law. You know, like the drones Obama is
ordering to be built.
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F. George McDuffee
Mar 6, 2013, 4:29:36 PM3/6/13
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On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton
<geo...@si.not> wrote:
>http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
================
>
>Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
While he did indeed make life worse for some Venezuelans, he
made life better for far more Venezuelans, particularly
access to food and education for the less privileged, i.e.
the vast majority.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
<snip>
As of 2011, the following ten countries have adopted a
framework law on food security or the right to food:
Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala,
Indonesia, Nicaragua, Peru and Venezuela.[48] Moreover, in
2011 the following nine countries were drafting a framework
law on food security or the right to food: Honduras, India,
Malawi, Mexico, Mozambique, Paraguay, South Africa, Tanzania
and Uganda.[49] Finally, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Peru are
drafting to update, replace or strengthen their framework
law.[50]
<snip>
http://venezuela-us.org/educacion-en-numeros/
<snip>
One of the main achievements of the Bolivarian government of
Venezuela has been the expansion of educational
opportunities and resources for the majority of the
Venezuelan people. Beyond increasing access to existing
basic and higher education, Venezuela has instituted
programs aimed at sectors of the population who have been
left out of the formal education system. These programs,
known as �missions,� have served millions of Venezuelans,
allowing them to gain basic literacy, complete basic or
higher education, and enter the workforce.
<snip>
The society/culture/economy of Venezuela is totally
different than the current U.S. society/culture/environment
and most closely resembles the U.S. south during
reconstruction.
It should be remembered that the U.S. government or rogue
elements (Spruille Braden Brigade?) fomented a coup against
Chavez, which would have succeeded except for the personal
loyalty of the Parachute [air mobile] regiment of which
Chavez had been the well liked and respected commander,
which intervened just moments before Chavez was to commit
[assisted] suicide.
The US news media is *HIGHLY* provincial bordering on
Agitprop*, and most likely you should take a little time to
see how other people/countries perceive things. To start the
following are suggested:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rnv.gov.ve%2F
http://english.telam.com.ar/
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.pagina12.com.ar
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop
--
Unka' George
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silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"
-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"
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> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>
>
>whereas the USA has elections which are won by those with the deepest
>pockets and do very
>little to improve the living conditions of the great majority of
>Americans -
Wrong. Are won by jobless welfare breeders and pro-illegals with an
agenda. Those parasites are bringing the USA down. The middle class
and rich pay more taxes, and the welfare breeders get free iPhones.
You can bet the budget cuts will not effect the breeders.
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Mar 6, 2013, 4:37:16 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton
> <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
> ================
>
> While he did indeed make life worse for some Venezuelans, he
> made life better for far more Venezuelans, particularly
> access to food and education for the less privileged, i.e.
> the vast majority.
He only made life better for some Venezuelans by stealing from others.
> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton
> <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
> ================
>
> While he did indeed make life worse for some Venezuelans, he
> made life better for far more Venezuelans, particularly
> access to food and education for the less privileged, i.e.
> the vast majority.
Further, he has done long term damage to the Venezuelan economy that
will ultimately make all Venezuelans worse off.
George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 4:38:46 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
>
There is no "right" to food, or a "right" to any other good or service.
There cannot be.
Juan Alderete
Mar 6, 2013, 4:53:32 PM3/6/13
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You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
retard.
Get a job!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwI2DTiVSJ0
George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 5:03:17 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 1:53 PM, Juan Alderete wrote:
>
>
> "George Plimpton" wrote in message
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>
> On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
>
> There is no "right" to food, or a "right" to any other good or service.
> There cannot be.
>
> ####
>
> You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
> NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
> retard.
That's what I just said, you fuckwit. The government *cannot* have an
>
>
> "George Plimpton" wrote in message
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>
> On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
>
> There is no "right" to food, or a "right" to any other good or service.
> There cannot be.
>
> ####
>
> You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
> NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
> retard.
obligation to feed you because to do so would imply that you had a right
to food, and I flatly stated there is no such right.
Learn to read, you stupid ham hock.
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On 3/5/2013 8:08 PM, David R. Birch wrote:
> On 3/5/2013 7:47 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
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SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:33:21 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 1:53 PM, Juan Alderete wrote:
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> "George Plimpton" wrote in message
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SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:34:04 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 10:36 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 06/03/2013 11:27 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
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SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:34:46 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
> It should be remembered that the U.S. government or rogue elements
> (Spruille Braden Brigade?) fomented a coup against Chavez,
> (Spruille Braden Brigade?) fomented a coup against Chavez,
Juan Alderete
Mar 6, 2013, 5:35:10 PM3/6/13
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ALL CANADIANS ARE RETARDS!
"SpamBuster" wrote in message news:NuPZs.20764$LX2....@newsfe31.iad...
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SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:35:14 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 11:59 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:19:25 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> On 3/6/2013 8:54 AM, Denny wrote:
>>> "@\"sympatico\".ca wrote:
>>>> On 06/03/2013 10:37 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:19:25 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> On 3/6/2013 8:54 AM, Denny wrote:
>>> "@\"sympatico\".ca wrote:
>>>> On 06/03/2013 10:37 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:35:50 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 12:01 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> No, that's not a despot. That's just the bad actions of a bad president.
>
>
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:36:25 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 10:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
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>
>> Bush was a terrible president,
>
>
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:36:54 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 10:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
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>> Like George W. Bush
>
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:37:28 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 8:10 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election. The world will
>> miss him, if only for that.
>>
>
>> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election. The world will
>> miss him, if only for that.
>>
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:38:09 PM3/6/13
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> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote
> Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election. The world will miss him, if only for that.
>
> Dhu
>
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:38:48 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 12:08 AM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:39:41 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 1:35 PM, Rollo wrote:
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>
>
>> whereas the USA has elections which are won by those with the deepest
>> pockets
>
>
>
>
>> whereas the USA has elections which are won by those with the deepest
>> pockets
>
Mikey
Mar 6, 2013, 5:42:23 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 1:08 AM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>
> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> news:1a1b3$513672b6$414e828e$22...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>>
>
> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> news:1a1b3$513672b6$414e828e$22...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>
>>
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>
> And was elected in democratic elections on three or four (?) occasions
>
> by the
> majority of Venezuelans - seems to me he made life better for the exploited
> classes and made life harder for those that did the exploiting whereas
> the USA
> has elections which are won by those with the deepest pockets and do very
> little to improve the living conditions of the great majority of
> Americans - but
> little to improve the living conditions of the great majority of
> seem very happy to bail out their mates on Wall St and in Detroit and then
> allow them to shove it up the average Joe.
You don't have a clue about Chavez or Venezuela.
Neville M Wiles
Mar 6, 2013, 5:43:26 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 2:35 PM, Juan Alderete wrote:
> ALL CANADIANS ARE RETARDS!
Actually, that's wrong. Canadians are generally nice, decent people -
almost decent to a fault. However, Karen Gordon, the HIV-oozing
mackerel crotch town whore of Nanaimo, BC is definitely a retard.
> Karen Gordon, the HIV-oozing mackerel crotch town whore of Nanaimo, BC, spewed:
> ALL CANADIANS ARE RETARDS!
Actually, that's wrong. Canadians are generally nice, decent people -
almost decent to a fault. However, Karen Gordon, the HIV-oozing
mackerel crotch town whore of Nanaimo, BC is definitely a retard.
> Karen Gordon, the HIV-oozing mackerel crotch town whore of Nanaimo, BC, spewed:
Mikey
Mar 6, 2013, 5:47:53 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 2:36 AM, JohnJohnsn wrote:
> On Mar 5, 4:33 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
> Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 07:28 PM
> By Bill Hoffmann
>
> A host of Hollywood A-listers have rushed to support Hugo Chavez over
> the years � the most glaring example of which was Sean Penn.
>
> The Oscar-winning actor Penn continuously praised Chavez, saying he
> generously helped his country�s poor and destitute and was a
> fascinating and bold leader.
>
> Chavez, who ruled Venezuela with an iron fist for 14 years, died on
> Tuesday after battling cancer for two years. He had, over the years,
> been feted by Hollywood's elite even as he remained a thorn in the
> side of America's policies in the region.
>
> During the Penn visit to Chavez, the loudmouth star ripped the
> policies of President George W. Bush towards Chavez and once whipped
> himself into such a frenzy that he reportedly called for the arrest of
> those who referred to Chavez as a dictator.
>
> �[Chavez is] one of the most important forces we've had on this
> planet," Penn gushed late last year as the Venezuelan president�s
> health deteriorated.
>
> �And I�ll wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over
> and over again. I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude.
>
> �I just want to say, from my very American point of view, of my friend
> President Chavez: It is only possible to be so inspiring as he is, as
> a two-way street.��
>
> Penn also accused the American media of going after Chavez and telling
> �lies�� about him.
>
> The actor�s love of Chavez became so embarrassing to some in Hollywood
> that Matt Stone and Trey Parker savagely lampooned him in their movie
> "Team America: World Police" a parody that infuriated the star.
>
> Penn had plenty of company when it came to his Chavez worship.
>
> Other unabashed admirers included Kevin Spacey, Danny Glover, Oliver
> Stone, Harry Belafonte, Naomi Campbell, and Princeton University
> Professor Cornel West.
>
> And some are nearly as critical as Penn.
>
> Belafonte labeled George W. Bush the "greatest tyrant in the world,��
> while telling Chavez how �millions�� of Americans supported him.
>
> Boxing promoter Don King praised Chavez and his "revolution,��
> announcing, "To see what is happening here makes me feel good all
> over.��
>
> -30-
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/chavez-celebrity-supporters-penn/2013/03/05/id/493301
>
King is just another murderer.
> On Mar 5, 4:33 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
>>
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>
> Sean Penn and Other Hollywood Elite Worshipped Chavez
>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>
> Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 07:28 PM
> By Bill Hoffmann
>
> A host of Hollywood A-listers have rushed to support Hugo Chavez over
> the years � the most glaring example of which was Sean Penn.
>
> The Oscar-winning actor Penn continuously praised Chavez, saying he
> generously helped his country�s poor and destitute and was a
> fascinating and bold leader.
>
> Chavez, who ruled Venezuela with an iron fist for 14 years, died on
> Tuesday after battling cancer for two years. He had, over the years,
> been feted by Hollywood's elite even as he remained a thorn in the
> side of America's policies in the region.
>
> During the Penn visit to Chavez, the loudmouth star ripped the
> policies of President George W. Bush towards Chavez and once whipped
> himself into such a frenzy that he reportedly called for the arrest of
> those who referred to Chavez as a dictator.
>
> �[Chavez is] one of the most important forces we've had on this
> planet," Penn gushed late last year as the Venezuelan president�s
> health deteriorated.
>
> �And I�ll wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over
> and over again. I do it in love, and I do it in gratitude.
>
> �I just want to say, from my very American point of view, of my friend
> President Chavez: It is only possible to be so inspiring as he is, as
> a two-way street.��
>
> Penn also accused the American media of going after Chavez and telling
> �lies�� about him.
>
> The actor�s love of Chavez became so embarrassing to some in Hollywood
> that Matt Stone and Trey Parker savagely lampooned him in their movie
> "Team America: World Police" a parody that infuriated the star.
>
> Penn had plenty of company when it came to his Chavez worship.
>
> Other unabashed admirers included Kevin Spacey, Danny Glover, Oliver
> Stone, Harry Belafonte, Naomi Campbell, and Princeton University
> Professor Cornel West.
>
> And some are nearly as critical as Penn.
>
> Belafonte labeled George W. Bush the "greatest tyrant in the world,��
> while telling Chavez how �millions�� of Americans supported him.
>
> Boxing promoter Don King praised Chavez and his "revolution,��
> announcing, "To see what is happening here makes me feel good all
> over.��
>
> -30-
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/chavez-celebrity-supporters-penn/2013/03/05/id/493301
>
King is just another murderer.
Mikey
Mar 6, 2013, 5:48:37 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 9:16 AM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Mar 6, 9:37 am, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
> initial one, when he became president in 1998.
>
> The 2004 Recall Referendum was the biggest electoral fraud in the
> history of the Americas. Too bad Carter certified it.
>
> -Ramon
>
Carter is an asshole.
> On Mar 6, 9:37 am, Dhu on Gate <campb...@neotext.ca> wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 14:33:29 -0800, George Plimpton wrote:
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
>>
>>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>
>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130...
>>
>>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>
>
> > Ah balls. He got re-elected in a *fair* election.
> > The world will miss him, if only for that.
> >
>
> Sorry. The ONLY Chavez election that can be qualified as fair is the
> > The world will miss him, if only for that.
> >
>
> initial one, when he became president in 1998.
>
> The 2004 Recall Referendum was the biggest electoral fraud in the
> history of the Americas. Too bad Carter certified it.
>
> -Ramon
>
Carter is an asshole.
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:51:22 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 2:43 PM, Neville M Wiles wrote:
> On 3/6/2013 2:35 PM, Juan Alderete wrote:
>> ALL CANADIANS ARE RETARDS!
>
>
> On 3/6/2013 2:35 PM, Juan Alderete wrote:
>> ALL CANADIANS ARE RETARDS!
>
>
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 5:52:07 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 2:42 PM, Mikey wrote:
> On 3/6/2013 1:08 AM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>>
>> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> On 3/6/2013 1:08 AM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>>
>> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
Dave Smith
Mar 6, 2013, 6:04:46 PM3/6/13
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On 06/03/2013 2:08 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>
>> I was referring only to the election. I opted at the time not to even
>> mention that one because I thought it was about fair and honest election
>> and that one, IMO, certainly makes me wonder about the honesty and
>> fairness and American elections.
>
> There was nothing unfair about either the election or reelection of
> George W. Bush as president. People who say the Supreme Court
> "appointed" him president are idiots. The endless Democrat attempts at
> recounts in Florida were a blatant attempt at stealing the election.
It looked more to me like a blatant attempt to count the votes for the
people whose choices were disregarded due to a faulty card.... the
infamous hanging chads.
> It's quite likely they weren't even attempting to win the state's
> electoral votes; they more likely were trying to *prevent* the state's
> vote from being certified and reported to Congress, which would have
> given the election to Gore. It was blatant. The Supreme Court put a
> stop to it, and Bush was duly elected by the Electoral College.
Yes. Since the questionable results in Florida resulted in a win for
Bush all Electoral College votes automatically for him.
>>
>> I was referring only to the election. I opted at the time not to even
>> mention that one because I thought it was about fair and honest election
>> and that one, IMO, certainly makes me wonder about the honesty and
>> fairness and American elections.
>
> There was nothing unfair about either the election or reelection of
> George W. Bush as president. People who say the Supreme Court
> "appointed" him president are idiots. The endless Democrat attempts at
> recounts in Florida were a blatant attempt at stealing the election.
It looked more to me like a blatant attempt to count the votes for the
people whose choices were disregarded due to a faulty card.... the
infamous hanging chads.
> It's quite likely they weren't even attempting to win the state's
> electoral votes; they more likely were trying to *prevent* the state's
> vote from being certified and reported to Congress, which would have
> given the election to Gore. It was blatant. The Supreme Court put a
> stop to it, and Bush was duly elected by the Electoral College.
Yes. Since the questionable results in Florida resulted in a win for
Bush all Electoral College votes automatically for him.
Dave Smith
Mar 6, 2013, 6:09:08 PM3/6/13
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On 06/03/2013 4:17 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> I'd expect a despot to create a "department of Fatherland Security" armed
> with lots of ammo, tanks, and weapons of war. You know, the kind Obama says
> don't belong on the streets of USA.
Since when did the president have the soul say on what weapons systems
are to be built for and deployed by the military?
> I'd expect a despot to create a "department of Fatherland Security" armed
> with lots of ammo, tanks, and weapons of war. You know, the kind Obama says
> don't belong on the streets of USA.
Since when did the president have the soul say on what weapons systems
are to be built for and deployed by the military?
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 6:22:10 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 3:04 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 06/03/2013 2:08 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I was referring only to the election. I opted at the time not to even
>
> On 06/03/2013 2:08 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I was referring only to the election. I opted at the time not to even
>
SpamBuster
Mar 6, 2013, 6:22:42 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 3:09 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I'd expect a despot to create a "department of Fatherland Security"
> armed
>
> I'd expect a despot to create a "department of Fatherland Security"
> armed
>
> Since when did the president have the soul say on what weapons systems
> are to be built for and deployed by the military?
>
>
>
> are to be built for and deployed by the military?
>
>
>
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George Plimpton
Mar 6, 2013, 6:47:33 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 3:04 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 06/03/2013 2:08 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I was referring only to the election. I opted at the time not to even
>>> mention that one because I thought it was about fair and honest election
>>> and that one, IMO, certainly makes me wonder about the honesty and
>>> fairness and American elections.
>>
>> There was nothing unfair about either the election or reelection of
>> George W. Bush as president. People who say the Supreme Court
>> "appointed" him president are idiots. The endless Democrat attempts at
>> recounts in Florida were a blatant attempt at stealing the election.
>
> It looked more to me like a blatant attempt to count the votes for the
> people whose choices were disregarded due to a faulty card.... the
> infamous hanging chads.
There's much more to it than that. The Democrats were working furiously
>
>>>
>>> I was referring only to the election. I opted at the time not to even
>>> mention that one because I thought it was about fair and honest election
>>> and that one, IMO, certainly makes me wonder about the honesty and
>>> fairness and American elections.
>>
>> There was nothing unfair about either the election or reelection of
>> George W. Bush as president. People who say the Supreme Court
>> "appointed" him president are idiots. The endless Democrat attempts at
>> recounts in Florida were a blatant attempt at stealing the election.
>
> It looked more to me like a blatant attempt to count the votes for the
> people whose choices were disregarded due to a faulty card.... the
> infamous hanging chads.
to get whole categories of ballots *disqualified*, making a mockery of
their pious declaration of trying to be sure "every vote is counted."
They were entirely selective about *which* ballots with hanging chads
they were trying to get counted. They were closely scrutinizing
irregular ballots to see if it was a likely vote for Gore or more likely
for Bush. If the ballot generally appeared to be for Republicans with
an ambiguous vote for president, they were handling it roughly to try
expressly to render the vote for president invalid.
>> It's quite likely they weren't even attempting to win the state's
>> electoral votes; they more likely were trying to *prevent* the state's
>> vote from being certified and reported to Congress, which would have
>> given the election to Gore. It was blatant. The Supreme Court put a
>> stop to it, and Bush was duly elected by the Electoral College.
>
>
> Yes. Since the questionable results in Florida resulted in a win for
> Bush all Electoral College votes automatically for him.
votes. There's nothing irregular or shady or sneaky or fraudulent about it.
In the end, of course, there was very little question that Bush won the
Florida vote. All subsequent analysis showed that he would have won
every legitimate, non-fraudulent recount. The claim that the SCOTUS
"appointed" him president is not only an idiotic lie, it fundamentally
gets the Constitution wrong, as the court has no such appointment power.
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BottleBob
Mar 6, 2013, 7:59:04 PM3/6/13
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On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:38:46 PM UTC-8, George Plimpton wrote:
> On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
> On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>
>
>
> There is no "right" to food, or a "right" to any other good or service.
> There cannot be.
The Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson reads:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
And yet Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. Owning people whom DIDN'T have Equality, Liberty, or the ability to pursue their happiness. This must have cost ol' TJ any number of sleepless nights due to the cognitive dissonance of it all. LOL
Unalienable rights? So if person A murders person B, person A has then forfeited his RIGHT to Life & Liberty, according to the system of laws devised by man. So the "Creator", being conspicuously absent, is over-ruled by the courts of man? So much for UNALIENABLE RIGHTS.
--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
Why are people so cruel
Mar 6, 2013, 8:42:20 PM3/6/13
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"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> On 3/6/2013 12:08 AM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>>
>> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
>> news:1a1b3$513672b6$414e828e$22...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>
>> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for Venezuelans.
>>
>> And was elected in democratic elections on three or four (?) occasions
>
> Once. All the reelections were fraudulent.
>
>
>
>> seems to me he made life better for the exploited
>> classes and made life harder for those that did the exploiting
>
> Bullshit. That's just left-wing spew. Like any socialist, he stole from
>
>> seems to me he made life better for the exploited
>> classes and made life harder for those that did the exploiting
>
> producers and redistributed to parasitic do-nothing consumers.
>
Thats rich coming from someone who would find it difficult to understand
what democracy means, most non US citizens know what it means.
Majority rules - not the minority with the largest wallets. What you are
advocating is corporate fascism - but that has been US foreign policy
since 1945, especially in South America with support of extreme right
wing movements. Corporate fascism is alive and well in the US - just
look at how easy it was for the big banks and Wall St investors to get
bailed out with taxpayers money, the majority of Americans had nothing
invetsed with those businesses.
F. George McDuffee
Mar 6, 2013, 8:47:59 PM3/6/13
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On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:03:17 -0800, George Plimpton
<geo...@si.not> wrote:
<snip>
>> You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
>> NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
>> retard.
>
>That's what I just said, you fuckwit. The government *cannot* have an
>obligation to feed you because to do so would imply that you had a right
>to food, and I flatly stated there is no such right.
<snip>
There may not be a "right" but it in the government's
self-interest to keep their population adequately but not
extravagantly fed.
In the recent past the so-called "Arab spring" was far more
about hunger than any huge desire for "freedom," and a
number of Arab ex leaders are either dead or in jail as the
direct result their failure to insure an adequate food
supply ==>at prices the people could afford<== (which is far
different than "free" food, but which may require CCC/WPA
type projects to insure they have the money to buy it).
FWIW -- much of this appears to be self inflicted, for
example immediately after independence from the UK, Egypt
was self-sufficient in food production, now they must import
c.40% of their food and 60% of their wheat, and even an
increase of even a few dollars a ton for wheat is a killer
for people for whom bread is a staple and who must spend
30-40% (and more) of their income on food.
http://www.businessinsider.com/egypts-food-problem-in-a-nutshell-2011-1
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/12/20111219143454601107.html
While the Aswan High Dam and Lake Nassar did take
considerable highly productive land out of cultivation,
there appears to be no reason that water was not used to
being even more land into cultivation ==>for domestic food
production<== through irrigation. One contributing factor
appears to be the enormous population shift from the
productive countryside, where there was subsistence
agriculture to fall back on, to the grossly oversized
ultra-high density urban areas which are famines waiting to
happen, and revolutions waiting to start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aswan_Dam
--
Unka' George
"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"
-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"
<geo...@si.not> wrote:
<snip>
>> You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
>> NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
>> retard.
>
>That's what I just said, you fuckwit. The government *cannot* have an
>obligation to feed you because to do so would imply that you had a right
>to food, and I flatly stated there is no such right.
<snip>
There may not be a "right" but it in the government's
self-interest to keep their population adequately but not
extravagantly fed.
In the recent past the so-called "Arab spring" was far more
about hunger than any huge desire for "freedom," and a
number of Arab ex leaders are either dead or in jail as the
direct result their failure to insure an adequate food
supply ==>at prices the people could afford<== (which is far
different than "free" food, but which may require CCC/WPA
type projects to insure they have the money to buy it).
FWIW -- much of this appears to be self inflicted, for
example immediately after independence from the UK, Egypt
was self-sufficient in food production, now they must import
c.40% of their food and 60% of their wheat, and even an
increase of even a few dollars a ton for wheat is a killer
for people for whom bread is a staple and who must spend
30-40% (and more) of their income on food.
http://www.businessinsider.com/egypts-food-problem-in-a-nutshell-2011-1
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/12/20111219143454601107.html
While the Aswan High Dam and Lake Nassar did take
considerable highly productive land out of cultivation,
there appears to be no reason that water was not used to
being even more land into cultivation ==>for domestic food
production<== through irrigation. One contributing factor
appears to be the enormous population shift from the
productive countryside, where there was subsistence
agriculture to fall back on, to the grossly oversized
ultra-high density urban areas which are famines waiting to
happen, and revolutions waiting to start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aswan_Dam
--
Unka' George
"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"
-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"
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usterr@not.can SpamƁuster
Mar 6, 2013, 9:08:34 PM3/6/13
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On 3/6/2013 5:42 PM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>
> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> news:77752$51375a88$414e828e$63...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>
> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
George Plimpton
Mar 7, 2013, 1:02:14 AM3/7/13
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On 3/6/2013 3:52 PM, China Blue Clay wrote:
> In article <b0c3e$5137bd18$414e828e$16...@EVERESTKC.NET>,
> decision.
We do have a democracy, but people can't create rights.
People cannot have a right to the productive effort of others. It's
impossible for the voters to fabricate such a right.
> In article <b0c3e$5137bd18$414e828e$16...@EVERESTKC.NET>,
> George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
>
>> On 3/6/2013 1:53 PM, Juan Alderete wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "George Plimpton" wrote in message
>>> news:7cc2d$5137b75a$414e828e$14...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>
>
>> On 3/6/2013 1:53 PM, Juan Alderete wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "George Plimpton" wrote in message
>>> news:7cc2d$5137b75a$414e828e$14...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>
>>> On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
>>>
>>> There is no "right" to food, or a "right" to any other good or service.
>>> There cannot be.
>>>
>>> ####
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
>>>
>>> There is no "right" to food, or a "right" to any other good or service.
>>> There cannot be.
>>>
>>>
>>> You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
>>> NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
>>> retard.
>>
>> That's what I just said, you fuckwit. The government *cannot* have an
>> obligation to feed you because to do so would imply that you had a right
>> to food, and I flatly stated there is no such right.
>
> It's a good we don't have a democracy or other people would have a say in that
>>> You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
>>> NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
>>> retard.
>>
>> That's what I just said, you fuckwit. The government *cannot* have an
>> obligation to feed you because to do so would imply that you had a right
>> to food, and I flatly stated there is no such right.
>
> decision.
We do have a democracy, but people can't create rights.
People cannot have a right to the productive effort of others. It's
impossible for the voters to fabricate such a right.
George Plimpton
Mar 7, 2013, 1:03:43 AM3/7/13
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On 3/6/2013 4:59 PM, BottleBob wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:38:46 PM UTC-8, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>>
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
>
>>
>> There is no "right" to food, or a "right" to any other good or service.
>> There cannot be.
>
>
> The Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson reads:
>
> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
Correct.
> On Wednesday, March 6, 2013 1:38:46 PM UTC-8, George Plimpton wrote:
>> On 3/6/2013 1:29 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
>>
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_food
>
>>
>> There is no "right" to food, or a "right" to any other good or service.
>> There cannot be.
>
>
> The Declaration of Independence written by Thomas Jefferson reads:
>
> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
>
> And yet Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. Owning people whom DIDN'T have Equality, Liberty, or the ability to pursue their happiness. This must have cost ol' TJ any number of sleepless nights due to the cognitive dissonance of it all. LOL
Africans. That was an error on the part of the founders.
F. George McDuffee
Mar 7, 2013, 1:05:27 AM3/7/13
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On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:42:20 +1000, "Why are people so cruel"
<noon...@microsoft.com> wrote:
<snip>
a few cites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruille_Braden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
http://news.yahoo.com/operation-condor-trial-begins-buenos-aires-175356537.html
http://news.yahoo.com/venezuela-expel-us-embassy-official-182540123.html
<noon...@microsoft.com> wrote:
<snip>
>What you are
>advocating is corporate fascism - but that has been US foreign policy
>since 1945, especially in South America with support of extreme right
>wing movements.
<snip>
>advocating is corporate fascism - but that has been US foreign policy
>since 1945, especially in South America with support of extreme right
>wing movements.
a few cites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruille_Braden
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
http://news.yahoo.com/operation-condor-trial-begins-buenos-aires-175356537.html
http://news.yahoo.com/venezuela-expel-us-embassy-official-182540123.html
George Plimpton
Mar 7, 2013, 1:06:57 AM3/7/13
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On 3/6/2013 5:42 PM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>
> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> news:77752$51375a88$414e828e$63...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>> On 3/6/2013 12:08 AM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>>>
>>> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
>>> news:1a1b3$513672b6$414e828e$22...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for
>>>> Venezuelans.
>>>
>>> And was elected in democratic elections on three or four (?) occasions
>>
>> Once. All the reelections were fraudulent.
>>
>>
>>> seems to me he made life better for the exploited
>>> classes and made life harder for those that did the exploiting
>>
>> Bullshit. That's just left-wing spew. Like any socialist, he stole
>> from producers and redistributed to parasitic do-nothing consumers.
>>
> Thats rich coming from someone who would find it difficult to understand
> what democracy means, most non US citizens know what it means.
I know full well what it means, and I know that most non US citizens
>
> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
> news:77752$51375a88$414e828e$63...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>> On 3/6/2013 12:08 AM, Why are people so cruel wrote:
>>>
>>> "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
>>> news:1a1b3$513672b6$414e828e$22...@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-chavez-dies-20130305,0,7894283.story
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good. He was an oppressive asshole who made life worse for
>>>> Venezuelans.
>>>
>>> And was elected in democratic elections on three or four (?) occasions
>>
>> Once. All the reelections were fraudulent.
>>
>>
>>> seems to me he made life better for the exploited
>>> classes and made life harder for those that did the exploiting
>>
>> Bullshit. That's just left-wing spew. Like any socialist, he stole
>> from producers and redistributed to parasitic do-nothing consumers.
>>
> Thats rich coming from someone who would find it difficult to understand
> what democracy means, most non US citizens know what it means.
have no *clue* what it means because they've never had it, and it's
wholly alien to their culture and their reality.
> Majority rules - not the minority with the largest wallets.
> What you are advocating is corporate fascism
> but that has been US foreign policysince
foul language. It doesn't mean anything. Leftists occutards like you
consider *any* recognition of private property to be "corporate
fascism." Why don't you just call all private property "fucking
bullshit" - you'd at least be more honest with yourself if you did, even
if it still would reveal you to be a clueless occutard fain�ant.
George Plimpton
Mar 7, 2013, 1:08:15 AM3/7/13
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On 3/6/2013 5:47 PM, F. George McDuffee wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:03:17 -0800, George Plimpton
> <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> <snip>
>>> You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
>>> NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
>>> retard.
>>
>> That's what I just said, you fuckwit. The government *cannot* have an
>> obligation to feed you because to do so would imply that you had a right
>> to food, and I flatly stated there is no such right.
> <snip>
>
> There may not be a "right" but it in the government's
> self-interest to keep their population adequately but not
> extravagantly fed.
"The government" has no interest. The people have interests.
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:03:17 -0800, George Plimpton
> <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> <snip>
>>> You have the right to starve, you Lazy Liberal Socialist retard!
>>> NO Government has an OBLIGATION to feed you, you lazy Liberal Socialist
>>> retard.
>>
>> That's what I just said, you fuckwit. The government *cannot* have an
>> obligation to feed you because to do so would imply that you had a right
>> to food, and I flatly stated there is no such right.
> <snip>
>
> There may not be a "right" but it in the government's
> self-interest to keep their population adequately but not
> extravagantly fed.
You have a very un-American view of government.
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George Plimpton
Mar 7, 2013, 1:49:40 AM3/7/13
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On 3/6/2013 10:40 PM, Denny wrote:
> The people have a right to a decent society.
No, they don't. They have a right to *work* to try to fashion a decent
society, but they might not succeed, and no rights were violated if they
don't.
> Centuries ago, in the West, there was no help for the people, so people
> starved, froze in the winter. Gradually the people demanded, from their
> king or country, certain basic standards. No child labor, pubic health,
> basic sanitation, public schools, police and fire protection. These
> advances weren't all brought about by bleeding-heart liberals. Many were
> people who wanted, demanded, to live in a decent society. I myself don't
> lay awake at night worrying about the poor. But I demand a decent society.
You might not get it, and your rights will not be violated if you don't,
because you don't have a right to a decent society.
We don't let people starve homeless in the street if we can help it, but
our assistance to people in need is not based on any right they hold
that mandates our help. Rather, we help them because we're decent
people and we don't want people to starve to death.
The only legitimate rights are negative rights: statements of things
that other people, or the government acting on behalf of others, may not
do to you. All legitimate rights are those which impose injunctions on
others not to interfere with your conduct of your personal affairs, so
long as those affairs do not violate the rights of others.
No, they don't. They have a right to *work* to try to fashion a decent
society, but they might not succeed, and no rights were violated if they
don't.
> Centuries ago, in the West, there was no help for the people, so people
> starved, froze in the winter. Gradually the people demanded, from their
> king or country, certain basic standards. No child labor, pubic health,
> basic sanitation, public schools, police and fire protection. These
> advances weren't all brought about by bleeding-heart liberals. Many were
> people who wanted, demanded, to live in a decent society. I myself don't
> lay awake at night worrying about the poor. But I demand a decent society.
You might not get it, and your rights will not be violated if you don't,
because you don't have a right to a decent society.
We don't let people starve homeless in the street if we can help it, but
our assistance to people in need is not based on any right they hold
that mandates our help. Rather, we help them because we're decent
people and we don't want people to starve to death.
The only legitimate rights are negative rights: statements of things
that other people, or the government acting on behalf of others, may not
do to you. All legitimate rights are those which impose injunctions on
others not to interfere with your conduct of your personal affairs, so
long as those affairs do not violate the rights of others.
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