OT Its a safer and sadder place now
ERich10983
brother and I were of the same mind that it was time to pull my mother's
drivers license. So, I scheduled a family meeting so we could discuss it with
her. At 83, her judgement and reaction times are intermittant at best. The
first reaction was "NO WAY, NOT NEGOTIABLE, I DON'T WANT A MEETING!!
Not a good start. So, I said OK, but could just you and I talk it over. She
was reluctant, but agreed. First, her side of the story of the recent three
accidents, repeated a few times, each version a little different and each
putting more and more of the blame on the other cars involved. I then talked
about the dangers of driving Rt 1 in Maine during the tourist season with lots
of distractions both to her and other drivers. She agreed that it was a
problem, and with her glaucoma and slow reactions, it was necessary for others
to watch out for her.
But of course, she only drove down to the mailbox and back, and once in a while
over to the next town for a loaf of bread, and of course over to the doctors
but only early in the morning, neglecting the trip back during the busiest time
of day. She thought she might stop driving anyway when her license expired
this October. We discussed the towns elderly bus transportation system for
groceries and doctors visits and how my sister, who lives next door and works
in a grocery store would always be there to help her.
We went back and forth, finally getting off onto a new track talking about the
screened-in porch she wants on her trailer. AH, a hook. If we sell the car,
we could take that money and put the porch on right away so you could enjoy it
this summer and fall. That sounded pretty good. I soon got an agreement that
if she stopped driving now, we could put the addition on ASAP.
The next day with my brother, we discussed it again, saying how we had a quick
buyer for the car, a 4-wheel drive Camry. She gave him the key and I got the
license. (Which expires in 2001!)
This was a tricky situation and one I'm sure lots of folks on this newsgroup go
through. Even though we both came out winners with what we wanted, there are
still a few tears about how we manipulated and ganged up on her. But, the
thought of her or someone else getting hurt through our inaction was too much.
I suppose I'll be forgiven eventually, but wearing the black hat for a while is
OK with me. Taking someones freedom away is an awesome responsibility. I
didn't take it lightly.
Earle Rich
Mont Vernon, NH
Miles Jaffe
> we could take that money and put the porch on right away so you could enjoy
it
> this summer and fall. That sounded pretty good. I soon got an agreement
that
> if she stopped driving now, we could put the addition on ASAP.
Give and Take.
Time honored technique works well with children, too.
--
wherever you go, there you are
Phil Koenig
drive
impaired in any way whatsoever. Actually, that's wrong, I have some pretty goddam
extreme
feelings about it. In '79 I lost my one and only child son at the age of seven.
People who are
impaired in any way, be it by age, or otherwise shouldn't be allowed to operate
anything that has the
potential of being deadly. No exceptions, no way.
Philfthy
PLAlbrecht
>didn't take it lightly.
OK, so you wheedled the car away from her. Is she keepin' the guns? <g>
Pete
mull...@advinc.com
Phil Koenig <ph...@tuna.net> wrote:
> Ahem....I have ABSOLUTELY NO feeling for your mother's (or anyone
elses's) right to drive impaired in any way whatsoever.
That wasn't what his post was about - he wasn't trying to drum up
sympathy for anyone. He was trying to do the right thing and
prevent any more tragedy. And for this Earle is to be applauded, in
the finest way.
I saw what my parents went through with my grandmother. She was
a binge alcoholic, and while she never hurt anyone with her car,
I am totally amazed that the state kept giving her her license back,
again and again and again. Even after she had to be chased down
twice by a cop after she ran away from the first DWI stop. Boy
she could sweet-talk them. But a more deadly combination you could
never imagine. That lady would try to drive when most of us would
be stone dead from alcohol poisoning.
She finally had to be checked into a residence where she could
not check herself out. Earle you have done the right thing, for
her, and for others as well. Thank you.
Jim
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
[拂MM麵苺孫
<mull...@advinc.com> wrote in message news:8kgprh$ogj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <396BC2D8...@tuna.net>,
> Phil Koenig <ph...@tuna.net> wrote:
> > Ahem....I have ABSOLUTELY NO feeling for your mother's (or anyone
> elses's) right to drive impaired in any way whatsoever.
>
> That wasn't what his post was about - he wasn't trying to drum up
> sympathy for anyone. He was trying to do the right thing and
> prevent any more tragedy. And for this Earle is to be applauded, in
> the finest way.
>
By writing that post, I think Earle's also setting an example on which
others in a similar situation will hopefully be motivated to follow.
I can understand Phil's post, although I have never been in any situation
that could possibly compare. Perhaps someone else will be able to live
peacefully with their son, daughter, mother, father, etc because of both
Earle's actions, and this thread. Many times I've seen this situation on TV
or wherever, not given it too much thought. This thread brings such
seemingly obscure conflicts closer to home, so to speak.
Regards,
Robin
P2TheShed
Bray Haven
>never imagine. That lady would try to drive when most of us would
>be stone dead from alcohol poisoning.
We are too soft on DUI. We should take the license and the car on the first
offense and they should never be allowed to drive again... period.
Greg S.
mull...@advinc.com
Agreed. As an explaination, the events I described occured in the
US during the late 60s, early 70s. I think if she were pulling those
stunts now, the hammer would come down a *lot* faster and a *lot*
harder.
My standard alternative to revocation on first DUI is to limit
the person to a motorcycle license only. And prohibit helmet use.
This is a strong encouragement to not drive impaired. More than
once, that is.
Dan Buckman
It alows them transportation without much risk to others.
It makes more sence then takeing away all driving privliges because many
will continue to drive anyway(its hard to get anywhere from alot of places
without some kind of vehicle).
I wonder why I never heard of this before.
<mull...@advinc.com> wrote in message news:8ki13h$jli$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
ERich10983
>My standard alternative to revocation on first DUI is to limit
>the person to a motorcycle license only. And prohibit helmet use.
>This is a strong encouragement to not drive impaired. More than
>once, that is.
The signs of a lost license is easy to spot around here. Usually a guy on a
bicycle, riding on the wrong side of the road without a helmet, pant leg
stuffed into his socks, seat too low, big wire basket on the front wheel with
his lunch box and obviously not into exercise of any kind. They look a lot
better after a month or so of doing this.
mull...@advinc.com
No, take away the helmet too. Put them at extreme risk. The
other way to do this for folks who cannot drive a motorbike
is to have special cars for first-time DUI folks.
The driver's seat is cantelievered right out in front of the front
bumper, out in the open. No seat belt. Open air driving. Like
one of those Curtiss pusher-prop planes.
Actually I think that all cars should be made this way. Boy
would everyone drive carefully, and politely. Every time you add
seat belts, air bags, bumpers, steel beams in the doors, it's
just one more encouragement for folks to drive like a**holes
because they have the idea in their mind that they cannot possible
get hurt.
This is the standard joke on the motorcycle ngs. The Volvo drivers
have the safest cars because they are the worst divers. They know
they're going to crash so they buy the most crash-resistant car they
can.
Dan Caster
Phil Koenig <ph...@tuna.net> wrote:
> Ahem....I have ABSOLUTELY NO feeling for your mother's (or anyone elses's) right to
> drive
> impaired in any way whatsoever.
As I see it, all humans are impaired to some degree. Those that have
taken performance driving courses may be less impaired, but even Pete
might think about some machining problem when he ought to be watching
the traffic. So to me the question is more how often testing should
be required, and whether there should be grades of licenses. In
Washington State, I think they have just changed things so a young
persons license is not good late at night or with only other young
people in the car.
Jim has a good idea, but I would loosen it up to allow some sort of
light single passenger cars. You could tell at a glance to beware
that person. Just motorcycles might make everyone believe that
motorcyclists are dangerous 8-).
Dan
D Collins
>This 4th of July I went up to Maine for a family gathering. My two sisters and
>brother and I were of the same mind that it was time to pull my mother's
>drivers license.
I'm glad to see that this worked out for someone!
I had a similar problem, 78 year old aunt. She takes Riddlin, in an
attempt to increase her attention span. She wears a strong pair of
glasses, but doesn't like them, because "they make her look so old",
and often removes them when in public. She also wears hearing aids in
both ears. She has no business driving at all. While driving in heavy
traffic, if she wants a different radio station, she focuses all her
attention on the radio and changes the station! She attempts to drive
the freeway at the breakneck speed of 30 MPH, despite the fact she has
10-15 cars behind her trying to get around her. Her idea of a proper
turn is to turn on her blinker and turn, others must get out of her
way!
When I tried to get her to stop driving, she flatly refused. I
talked to the doctor, he agreed that she had no business driving, but
could not help. The only way the state will revoke a drivers license
is to have the person judged mentally incompetent in court. Thank you
AARP, hope your conscience is clear when someone dies as a result.
She is not that bad, and it would crush her if this were to occur.
My persistence at getting her to stop driving has resulted in her
dis-inheriting me, cancellation of the power-of-attorny I had held,
and a total severance of communication with me.
She has had another "small" crash since this occurred in April, this
year.
mull...@advinc.com
Dan Caster <dca...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In
> Washington State, I think they have just changed things so a young
> persons license is not good late at night or with only other young
> people in the car.
Apparently this is a very good statistical predictor of
crashes: any time you have more than two teen-agers driving
around in a car, odds are good there's going to be a problem.
Not to bash young folks. Elderly have a much higher per-mile
accident rate than the pre-20 crowd.
>
> ..I would loosen it up to allow some sort of
> light single passenger cars. You could tell at a glance to beware
> that person.
GVW below a set amount, and they have to be painted some fluorescent
color with a big DRUNK DRIVER sign on top.... subject to stop
without cause for check, etc. But even then they can still kill
somebody. I like the no-helmet motorbike idea.
> Just motorcycles might make everyone believe that
> motorcyclists are dangerous 8-).
But... but.... but...
Jim
Dan Buckman
so natrualy there was a car so close to the back of the truck I thought they
were looking for a ride.
When I got there, sitting on the very edge of the back were two chain
binders.
I am usually very carefull about things like this, but it still can happen.
How brain dead does some one have to be to follow that close to another
vehicle by choice?
Do you realy think safty is any kind of factor in the way people drive?
<mull...@advinc.com> wrote in message news:8ki618$nia$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
mull...@advinc.com
"Dan Buckman" <danbu...@enter.net> wrote:
> Do you realy think safty is any kind of factor in the way people
drive?
Yes it is. The choice to buy large SUVs, or the oft-touted
Volvo, is frequently driven by a desire to have the occupants
come out 'better' in a crash, should one happen. Ironically
the people who choose cars like this often do so because they
view themselves as being at risk. Once the big iron is on the
scene, they relax. But the factors likely to contribute to
a crash in the first place have not been addressed. Chief
among them being inattention or lack of skill. The cell-phone/
coffee cup/newspaper/makeup/kids/dogs/argument thing. My
personal favorite is that eyelash-curler gizmo. No I am not
making this up.
Point being that people drive less carefully when they percieve
themselves as being less at-risk. This is quite obvious with
teen-agers who view themselves as immortal to a large degree.
But it is still very much there in most drivers.
Powers
them to a motor scooter? Perhaps making a certian colour---visible yellow
a requirement as well.
Thomas who got his first car as part of a deal to get an unsafe driver
off the road---3/4 "corners" already customized...
--
Powers,W.Thomas
x6895
Brian Lawson
Hey Robin,
You definitely come across as a nice young guy, so I bet you have lots
of friends. How's a bout a little bet?? I'll bet you a nice
Starrett micrometer to a dollar, that by the time you are 25, either
3 of your buddies or relatives are dead or have killed somebody else
by either operating alcohol or drug impaired or being hit by somebody
else that was.
Pretty sad bet, though. Just make sure one of them isn't you, so I
get to collect!!! I realize that if you grew up "downtown" in a big
city (Toronto) with good public transportation and NOWHERE to park
anyway, that maybe you don't drive yet, so that's why I say 25 years
old. If you lived in the "boonies" like lots of us, I'd be making
that a bet before you were 21!!
Living in Windsor, where the legal drinking age is 19, I get to drive
to calls downtown on week-ends and see literally HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS
of young American kids coming to Windsor from Michigan (21 is legal)
to drink and be "legal", They are met by more HUNDREDS of young
Canadians just looking for a drinking match or a fight or a race or to
try to steal somebodies girlfriend. And if you think ANY of them,
either Yank or Canuck, WALK to downtown, think again. The smart ones
stay in a hotel/motel, and drive home with a super-dry mouth. Them I
applaude for having good sense BEFORE they tip the first cool one.
NOBODY has that kind of good sense after 4 beers!! Believe me.
Brian Lawson
Windsor, Ontario
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On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:01 GMT, "[拂MM麵苺孫"
<lase...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
><mull...@advinc.com> wrote in message news:8kgprh$ogj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> In article <396BC2D8...@tuna.net>,
>> Phil Koenig <ph...@tuna.net> wrote:
>> > Ahem....I have ABSOLUTELY NO feeling for your mother's (or anyone
>> elses's) right to drive impaired in any way whatsoever.
>>
Charles Gallo
wrote:
<snip> I'll bet you a nice
>Starrett micrometer to a dollar, that by the time you are 25, either
>3 of your buddies or relatives are dead or have killed somebody else
>by either operating alcohol or drug impaired or being hit by somebody
>else that was.
<snip>
Brian,
Thank God, I would have collected on this one. I have had 1
relative (and his best friend) killed in a car crash, but
unbelievably, it was a one car crash, and they were NOT drinking.
Some "A******" kids thought it would be funny to roll a used car tire
in front of their car. Left my cousin a widow the day after her
honeymoon (and pregnant)
Charlie
-- PGP Key on Request
For the Children RKBA!
Brian Lawson
Sorry to hear about your cousins new husband, Charles. Around
Detroit, the "A******" kids" think its major fun to drop a concrete
block from a highway overpass during the daytime, to watch the traffic
suddenly look like bumper cars trying to miss the pieces. Or worse,
just hang it at windshield height at night. Several deaths and severe
injuries in the past few years. If they ever catch one of them, I
think the penalty should be to lower the little f**k by the ankles
over the edge above the "truck lane", letting him down a 1/4" at a
time for every truck that passes. Poetic justice would be the one
that "gets him" would be an auto-hauler!! See how his head feels
going through a car windshield.
Had to be a DUI to win the bet with Robin, though. I know, sadly,
I'll get the buck.
Brian
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Miles Jaffe
> Volvo, is frequently driven by a desire to have the occupants
> come out 'better' in a crash, should one happen.
Even scarier is the thought that when these things hit the secondhand market
teens will be buying and driving them. Just what we need - a bunch of
inexperienced testosterone filled indestructible teenagers imitating their
favorite movie/television car chases and stunts, usually while inebriated.
JP
Regards,
JP
Gary Hallenbeck
<mull...@advinc.com> wrote in message news:8kikt9$3rr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <Ja3b5.4761$I76.3...@monger.newsread.com>,
> "Dan Buckman" <danbu...@enter.net> wrote:
>
> > Do you realy think safty is any kind of factor in the way people
> drive?
>
> Volvo, is frequently driven by a desire to have the occupants
> the people who choose cars like this often do so because they
> view themselves as being at risk. Once the big iron is on the
> scene, they relax. But the factors likely to contribute to
> a crash in the first place have not been addressed. Chief
> among them being inattention or lack of skill. The cell-phone/
> coffee cup/newspaper/makeup/kids/dogs/argument thing. My
> personal favorite is that eyelash-curler gizmo. No I am not
> making this up.
>
> Point being that people drive less carefully when they percieve
> themselves as being less at-risk. This is quite obvious with
> teen-agers who view themselves as immortal to a large degree.
> But it is still very much there in most drivers.
>
> Jim
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Ya know I get a little tired of the "Volvo" comments! It's like driving a
Volvo makes you somehow less of a driver. I have driven several million
miles in the last 35 years and been in two accidents. One in which I was
rearended by an Oldsmobile and one where a Mazda swung wide on a left turn
and nailed me while I was stopped at a light. I had the misfortune to get 3
tickets in that time, none for more than 5 mph over the limit. I have never
been a "slow" driver and at times I have done several hundred miles at near
100 mph (across Nevada in the old days). I drove an A Gas Dragster and a C
Altered at the drags. I got my NASCAR "learners permit" when I was 16 and
have owned numerous cars in excess of 400 hp (dyno not Detroit hype). At
the moment I am driving a '95 Volvo. I like the car and the way it is
built. And the safety factor adds a little peace of mind when in traffic.
The car is nimble and stops VERY well. So PLEASE, quit with the
stereotypes!
Gary Hallenbeck
"Miles Jaffe" <mja...@peconic.net> wrote in message
news:Vx7b5.480$bg.1...@newsreader.i-2000.net...
> > Yes it is. The choice to buy large SUVs, or the oft-touted
> > Volvo, is frequently driven by a desire to have the occupants
> > come out 'better' in a crash, should one happen.
>
market
> teens will be buying and driving them. Just what we need - a bunch of
> inexperienced testosterone filled indestructible teenagers imitating their
> favorite movie/television car chases and stunts, usually while inebriated.
>
> --
> wherever you go, there you are
In Washington you have to be 18 to buy a car. That means that most of these
"teens" are driving something "Mommy or Daddy" provided. I think the answer
is to make "Precious" wait until he or she is 18 or graduated from High
School BEFORE he can take Drivers Ed. and get a license and if they get two
moving violations suspend the license until they are 21. If they get
convicted of DWI revoke it PERMANENTLY. The penalty for driving without a
license should include forfeiture of the vehicle they are driving (upon
conviction), regardless of who owns it(unless the owner wants to report it
stolen and will testify against the "thief").
Charles Piercy
Miles Jaffe wrote:
>
> > Yes it is. The choice to buy large SUVs, or the oft-touted
> > Volvo, is frequently driven by a desire to have the occupants
> > come out 'better' in a crash, should one happen.
>
> Even scarier is the thought that when these things hit the secondhand market
> teens will be buying and driving them. Just what we need - a bunch of
> inexperienced testosterone filled indestructible teenagers imitating their
> favorite movie/television car chases and stunts, usually while inebriated.
>
> --
> wherever you go, there you are
I often amuse myself by wondering who is going to foot the bill to fix
these suvs when they get long in the tooth(and who will have the dough
to pay the bill?)Still see a lot of young ones driving gramp's old car
until the transmission dies and then having to face an $1800 fix on a
$900 car!
Everytime I look under one of the 4 wheel drivers, I get dollar shock.
Must be getting old!
Ted Piercy
mull...@advinc.com
"Gary Hallenbeck" <compre...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ya know I get a little tired of the "Volvo" comments!
Whoops. I have trod a toe. Sorry. But check out rec.motorcycles
sometimes. They all hate those cars because of the drivers'
reputations.
Or, I should say, an resemblance to persons living or dead is
purely coincidental. Of course this is all generalization. This
morning the lady who was drinking coffee while driving the Taconic
Parkway was in a Mitusbishi something or other. At least it was
small so I could see around it. Last week the idiot weaving around
while talking on the cell phone was in a Suburban.
It's not the cars, of course. The short-circuit's between the
earphones.
PLAlbrecht
>these suvs when they get long in the tooth
Nobody. Modern cars (and by extension SUVs) are disposable, not repairable.
The current emissions rules say they have to go 100,000 miles without touching
the engine. That is coming to mean even timing belts and spark plugs. After
that, all bets are off. Anything that breaks after that will be so expensive,
and the parts so long out of production, that repair costs will exceed the blue
book value.
I just talked to a friend in the auto industry last night, he works on
emissions certification, dealing with government agencies, etc. He says the
stuff that they're requiring now is absolutely incredible/ridiculous. For
example, they're going to require cars to check their own evaporative control
systems for leaks. They will do this by using a dedicated pump to check
pressure drop in the system when, for example, the car is idling at a
stoplight. If the pump and pressure sensor determine that the system has, say,
a bigger than 0.5 mm hole in it somewhere, it turns on the "Check Engine" idiot
light.
The next stage is going to be that the car finks on you to the green police.
Don't laugh. See some rambling musings on OBD III (currently we have OBD II,
for on-board diagnosis). They are dead serious about this, and know they have a
constitutional fight on their hands.
http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/may/obd_iii.htm
http://www.sema.org/semanews/july98/president.html
http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/YourCar.html
>Everytime I look under one of the 4 wheel drivers, I get dollar shock.
>Must be getting old!
No, you're just one of those annoying rational people who thinks about what it
would take to actually repair one of these things after the new wears off.
Quiet, be a good consumer and consume!!!
Pete
mull...@advinc.com
plalb...@aol.com (PLAlbrecht) wrote:
> The next stage is going to be that the car finks on you to the green
police.
Nope - my bet is the next step will be federal legislation [1]
requiring all vehicles manufactured before a certain date be removed
permanently from the roads. If you insist on driving a dinosaur
that survived until now, you will be punished. And made to purchase
one of the new dispos-O-cars.
Jim
[1] Now when was that thread, about how the US federal government
keeps insisting on meddling in what should rightfully be the
affairs of the states? Oh, yes - they will claim 'interstate
commerce,' of course. But this is just a big excuse to grab
more power and deny me the right to ride a vehicle with NO
software at all! Heck, don't even have a single transistor
in 'em...
ERich10983
SUV surrounded by police on Rt 128 in Massachusetts. During the chase, she was
doing over 100 MPH. Interesting thing was the large canoe strapped to the
top. A little difficult to blend in with traffic.
paul womack
>
>
> This was a tricky situation and one I'm sure lots of folks on this newsgroup go
> through. Even though we both came out winners with what we wanted, there are
> still a few tears about how we manipulated and ganged up on her. But, the
> thought of her or someone else getting hurt through our inaction was too much.
> I suppose I'll be forgiven eventually, but wearing the black hat for a while is
> OK with me. Taking someones freedom away is an awesome responsibility.
Despite popular American views, I belive you only took her car away.
Freedom
is something different.
> I
> didn't take it lightly.
And may have saved her life, and others. Good job.
Miles Jaffe
> police.
>
> Nope
I agree. That'll be Albrecht's job.
Miles Jaffe
But probably better than a Mercedes for ramming through a roadblock ...
Miles Jaffe
--
You are what you drive.
mull...@advinc.com
"Miles Jaffe" <mja...@peconic.net> wrote:
> That'll be Albrecht's job.
Non-sequiter.
Pete is clearly on the other side of the issue.
You been taking cranky pills today, Miles?
Jim
PLAlbrecht
>requiring all vehicles manufactured before a certain date be removed
>permanently from the roads. If you insist on driving a dinosaur
>that survived until now, you will be punished. And made to purchase
>one of the new dispos-O-cars.
Not for a long time yet. Do the numbers. Look at the number of cars on the
road, the portion of those which were made before, say, 1995ish, and look at
how many cars the industry can produce. Industry is working close to capacity
right now, just satisfying normal demand and market growth.
There are a LOT of old cars out there in daily service.
I intend to stock up on things like an old Mustang and Corvette before they
become too valuable...
Pete
PLAlbrecht
>> > The next stage is going to be that the car finks on you to the green
>> police.
>>
>> Nope
>
>I agree. That'll be Albrecht's job.
Why, Piles, you should know better than that. I would NEVER turn people in to
the likes of YOU...
Pete
Miles Jaffe
> Pete is clearly on the other side of the issue.
It's called 'cross thread fertilization'.
> You been taking cranky pills today, Miles?
Actually, I've spent the last five weeks doing 12 hour days non-stop in
preparation for my first show at an art gallery. And of course, in the last
week, with deadlines approaching, my darling wife has had her two sisters
(with their 5 kids) staying with us in our two-and-a-half bedroom, two
bathroom house. I've also managed to develop a full-blown sinus infection (the
apparent cause of a modest number of sleeved bore holes).
With all that going on I think I forgot to take my cranky pills this morning.
PLAlbrecht
his messages. Used to be "wherever you go, there you are." Now he comes up with
>You are what you drive.
Could be. In which case Piles drives a clapped-out Pinto with the wheels
falling off, and hitting on only two cylinders. But that's only on special
occasions, when they loosen the straitjacket enough for him to reach the
steering wheel.
Pete
Bob Chilcoat
worked in.
Bob
"JP" <j...@noemail.com> wrote in message
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[拂MM麵苺孫
T-boned the van in front of us, but instead nicked us. I was in the back
seat, and two of my closest friends were in the front (one of whom I've
known for all 18 years of my life. We were born 6 days apart). No one was
hurt, but we were less than amused.
I guess the bet's on. Perhaps I'll come get the mic in person and we'll have
a coke ;-)
Robin
"Brian Lawson" <law...@mnsi.net> wrote in message
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Brian Lawson
RE: Art Gallery Opening
When
Where
What
Why
How Much
How Long
Brian Lawson (who is proud of his sons MFA)
Windsor, Ontario
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:06:11 -0400, "Miles Jaffe" <mja...@peconic.net>
wrote:
Miles Jaffe
> When
> Where
Elaine Benson Gallery, Main Street, Bridgehampton, NY
> What
A dozen 'executive desk toys' - interactive, operational, non-functional
machined works. Also a number of sketches and pages from my design notebook.
> Why
Small town, not much to do?
> How Much
$1,500 to $7,500 for the toys, $3-400 for the sketches (stinking gallery gets
HALF)
> How Long
10 days.
> Brian Lawson (who is proud of his sons MFA)
At RISD there was a note scrawled over the toilet paper dispenser in the 2nd
floor men's room (down the hall from the machine shop) that read, "RISD
diplomas. Take several, one is useless."
--
I know where I am but I'll be damned if I can tell you how I got here.
mull...@advinc.com
"Miles Jaffe" <mja...@peconic.net> wrote:
> ... my darling wife has had her two sisters
> (with their 5 kids) staying with us in our two-and-a-half bedroom, two
> bathroom house.
Have they stopped up the plumbing yet? That what our house guests
invariably do.
Yes, this qualifies as 'cranky pills.'
Ron Moore
You know what they call Volvos in California, dont you? Out there they
are called Vovos, because they drive the "L" out of them. OK, I'll go
back to my room now.
Respectfully,
Ron Moore
Gary Hallenbeck wrote:
> Ya know I get a little tired of the "Volvo" comments! It's like driving a
> Volvo makes you somehow less of a driver.
SNIP
Gary Hallenbeck
> > Ya know I get a little tired of the "Volvo" comments!
>
> You are what you drive.
Gonna haft'a think about that one for a while Miles.
Gary
PLAlbrecht
> You are what you drive.
A revelation! Gary, you are a car! Aren't you glad we have the Long Island
Brain Trust to explain things to us?
Pete
Gary Hallenbeck
"Ron Moore" <mlog...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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And be sure to take your medication on the way please.
I get no respect!! :>))
RobHarMill
>> How Much
>$1,500 to $7,500 for the toys, $3-400 for the sketches (stinking gallery gets
>HALF)
>
is HALF normal or is this a rip-off?
Miles Jaffe
Both.
--
Bray Haven
>
>> You are what you drive.
>
HMMM, I ride a mule.
As Richard Nixon once said, "I've been called worse".
Greg Sefton
Spehro Pefhany
> HMMM, I ride a mule.
> As Richard Nixon once said, "I've been called worse".
Great sound bite from interview with RMN late in his life:
Interviewer: "Do you feel that you have lived a _good_ life?"
RMN: "I don't get into crap like that".
;-)
Best regards,
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Brian Lawson
Hey Miles,
Well, GOOD LUCK!! Hope it goes well. Too far for me to drive on such
short notice, not that I could get away anyhow. Does the gallery have
a web site? Any pre or post views on it? If it makes any printed
medium, scan it in and send us a copy. Love to see it.
Love the SHW humour. RISD students must have been quite forward
thinking and pragmatic, or of course it may have been written by a
"10- year-Reunion-and-still-haven't-got-job" alumni visiting, or
possibly a staffer trying to have students take a second degree!
And you're right about the diploma. I am proud he got it, but so far
(3 years) I have not seen that it has made any great financial
difference for him as an artist, except to my bank account for the 2
years of grad studies. He's got a good JOB now, but it's in what I
suppose you call "a related field". Works for a company that does
contract video data storage work at the studios in
LA/Burbank/Hollywood area.
Sell a MILLION!!
Brian Lawson
Windsor, Ontario
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On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:27:53 -0400, "Miles Jaffe" <mja...@peconic.net>
wrote:
>> RE: Art Gallery Opening
>> When
>Opening Saturday 15 July, 4-7 pm
>
>> Where
>Elaine Benson Gallery, Main Street, Bridgehampton, NY
>
>> What
>A dozen 'executive desk toys' - interactive, operational, non-functional
>machined works. Also a number of sketches and pages from my design notebook.
>
>> Why
>Small town, not much to do?
>
>> How Much
>$1,500 to $7,500 for the toys, $3-400 for the sketches (stinking gallery gets
>HALF)
>
Miles Jaffe
> short notice, not that I could get away anyhow. Does the gallery have
> a web site? Any pre or post views on it? If it makes any printed
> medium, scan it in and send us a copy. Love to see it.
Thanks!
A good friend told me that being an artist was about how much money you can
afford to lose every year. If you can stand to lose $10,000, you can play. If
you can lose $20,000 or more you can start to play with the big boys. I'm not
sure yet at what level I fit in ...
I've photographed everything and hope to have a web site up with pictures
soon. At that time I'll post the link here for those of you who might be
interested in amusing technical diversions.
--
Miles
David Glauser
sensor mounted near the rear license plate that responds to a laser
signal from a police car and shuts down the engine. The theory is that
this will prevent high-speed chases. The police officer nails the rear
end of the car with a coded laser beam (slightly spread to make it
easier) and the engine computer slowly winds the engine down to a
stop. I'm sure that NO officer anywhere will EVER use this
unethically, of course! And no criminal will EVER get his hands on
such a gun!
This system is expected to begin deployment in the next year or two.
The biggest hangup is getting the manufacturers to pony up the $20/car
cost for new cars. The article I read said work was going on to get a
law passed making it mandatory (a retrofit kit for existing cars is
expected to cost $300). No word in the law about paying for this piece
of crap.
David
Bob Chilcoat
similar that would provide similar capability to ALL drivers. The idea was
that every driver is issued a "gun" that will disable any car that was
"shot" with it, for an hour. If more than one shot is taken at a particular
car, the time it is disabled is cumulative (three shots, three hours). The
key to this was that each gun only has three shots per year. This means
that everyone is forced to shepherd their shots carefully, so you would only
use it against the most blatant traffic offenders. If you saw someone
driving like he needed that "cop who's never around when you need one", you
let him have it with your gun. The offender is stuck for an hour, a really
nasty penalty to most lunatics on the road. Since everyone is also
potentially a target, the presence of these guns would force everyone on the
road to drive safely and courteously, lest someone nail them.
You can imagine all sorts of scenarios for this. People retaliating by
shooting back at the guy who shot them, people using real guns for
retaliation, really bad offenders blasted by a whole line of other drivers,
so they were stuck for days, and all sorts of other stuff.
It'll never happen, but it was an intriguing idea.
Bob
"David Glauser" <dgla...@earthlinkNOSPAMFORME.net> wrote in message
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Dan Caster
dgla...@earthlinkNOSPAMFORME.net wrote:
> There is already testing going on for a system whereby a car has a
> sensor mounted near the rear license plate that responds to a laser
> signal from a police car and shuts down the engine. The theory is that
> this will prevent high-speed chases. The police officer nails the rear
> end of the car with a coded laser beam (slightly spread to make it
> easier) and the engine computer slowly winds the engine down to a
> stop. I'm sure that NO officer anywhere will EVER use this
> unethically, of course! And no criminal will EVER get his hands on
> such a gun!
>
> This system is expected to begin deployment in the next year or two.
> The biggest hangup is getting the manufacturers to pony up the $20/car
> cost for new cars. The article I read said work was going on to get a
> law passed making it mandatory (a retrofit kit for existing cars is
> expected to cost $300). No word in the law about paying for this piece
> of crap.
>
> David
will see that it is too easy to defeat and too hard to verify that
the device is working. Planning on robbing a bank, don't forget the
electrical tape to go over the sensor. The automakers will bitch
about anything that raises the cost of a car, and the public will
crucify anyone that passes a law that requires them to spend $300 on
their old car.
Dan
John Flanagan
Hey, why don't you sell them on Ebay?
On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:54:56 -0400, "Miles Jaffe" <mja...@peconic.net>
wrote:
>> Well, GOOD LUCK!! Hope it goes well. Too far for me to drive on such
PLAlbrecht
drives..." <g>
Pete
Spehro Pefhany
> It's so obvious -- "A society of ARMED drivers is a society of POLITE
> drives..." <g>
In one of Steinbeck's books he mentions that California drivers had the
habit (at that time) of bumping the car in front of them deliberately to
get them moving or whatever.
David Berryhill
>habit (at that time) of bumping the car in front of them deliberately to
>get them moving or whatever.
>
I live in California and I do that all the time! Usually it's someone who's
talking on the phone ;-)
Dave Berryhill
Craig C.
You don't want to do that to any pickups around here..The guy might
just lower that 5' long 1.5" diameter hay spike from the bed and then
stomp on the brakes....It'll pick up an 8' daimeter bale of hay
without a groan......
Craig C.
Michael Justice
> "David Glauser" <dgla...@earthlinkNOSPAMFORME.net> wrote:
> > There is already testing going on for a system whereby a car has a
> > sensor mounted near the rear license plate that responds to a laser
> > signal from a police car and shuts down the engine.
>
>similar that would provide similar capability to ALL drivers. The idea was
>that every driver is issued a "gun" that will disable any car that was
>"shot" with it, for an hour. If more than one shot is taken at a particular
>car, the time it is disabled is cumulative (three shots, three hours). The
>key to this was that each gun only has three shots per year. This means
>that everyone is forced to shepherd their shots carefully,
Yeah, right. And how long would it take for someone to figure out how to
get around the 3-shot limit?
>You can imagine all sorts of scenarios for this. People retaliating by
>shooting back at the guy who shot them, people using real guns for
>retaliation, really bad offenders blasted by a whole line of other drivers,
>so they were stuck for days, and all sorts of other stuff.
Robbers and rapists and axe murderers stopping cars out in the middle of
rural areas on dark nights. . . .
If the system David is writing about above ever comes to pass, I expect
that someone will create kits to patch around the engine-kill sensor.
I'll be one of the ones purchasing such a kit. One for every relative
of mine whom I care about.
-- Michael.
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