Split 5 gallons of Royal Purple Way oil?
Kevin Pinkerton
from Royal Purple. It acts very tacky and leaves strings between the
fingers (like I would expect it to) very similar to the way Chain Saw
Bar oil does.
I would like to get a gallon or two for myself. I would be willing to
try and come up with some gallon containers and split the cost of a 5
gallon container of the stuff if anyone is interested in a gallon or
two. I think it probably runs about $110 to $120 for five gallons
(smallest quantitiy) not including shipping. I realize this is very
expensive for way oil, but once you have tried Royal Purple lubricants
I think you will be willing to pay the extra. I do not use anything
thing else for any lubricant requirements (save my bar chain oil and
my 2-stroke oil). Information on their industrial product line (this
oil falls into that category) can be seen at
http://www.royalpurple.com/
Email me off-line if this sounds like something you want to try with
me.
Kevin
kpin...@newsguy.com (located in MD)
PS. I have done this sort of thing in the past with bulk stuff and
usually split the original total cost to get it to me with everyone
and then each person pays his/her actual UPS shipping out to whereever
they live.
My Gun Page: http://extra.newsguy.com/~kpinkert/
Robert Bastow
>
> I just got a quart sample of the ISO 68 (medium weight) Syn Way oil
> from Royal Purple. It acts very tacky and leaves strings between the
> fingers (like I would expect it to) very similar to the way Chain Saw
> Bar oil does.
Personally I am very leery of "Way Oil"..Especially on home shop type machines.
Understand that this stuff is developed and formulated for Industrial machines,
working under arduous, heavily loaded conditions THAT ARE DESIGNED ESPECIALLY TO
USE IT.
By that I mean that their ways are as fully protected from chips, scale and dust
as possible..by mechanical design and layout.
Secondly, they use way protectors and wipers that cost more to replace than most
of us would consider paying for a complete work shop of machines.
Thirdly they are used with timed or constant flow lube systems designed to
flush, filter and recirculate way oil constantly.
Lastly, those machines, expensive as they are, after a short life of careful,
scheduled maintenance, are..in the final analysis...DISPOSABLE!! Like your hard
earned machines RIGHT??
In other words..every thing is done to prevent contamination of the lube..and
prevent that contaminated lube from being carried UNDER the way wipers and into
the (Expensive) guts of the machine.
Now consider your precious HS Mill or Lathe.
Sure, especially on a mill, the ways are out of sight and SOMEWHAT protected
from flying debris. But, remember the last job you did on cast iron..Or scaly,
hot rolled steel? Boy how the dust flew..took weeks to rid the shop of it didn't
it?
Well I got bad news for you...some of it is still there, trapped in that lovely
sticky, flypaper-like WAY OIL that does such a good job of sticking to your ways
EVEN WHEN those half-assed, half worn wipers pass over it..thats what its
supposed to do RIGHT??
Wrong, That sticky paste is the reason machine tool rebuilders have a
business..that and the people who use an air gun to "clean down" their
machines. (A whole other subject!!)
So what should the HSM use? what do *I* use?
SCRUPULOUS CLEANLINESS..I wipe the ways on my lathe EVERY time I traverse the
saddle any distance and RE-OIL with a squirt of 10W MOTOR OIL...Yeah the stuff
with DETERGENTS in it!! Why? Because I WANT all that sh*t held in suspension
and flushed out where I can wipe it off in a couple of minutes. How do I know
my ways get lubed UNDER the carriage? Because the stuff gets past the
rinky-dink wipers that, even I, only replace once or twice a year.
Controversial? Obsessive/compulsive? Not if you value, enjoy and respect, the
knife edge precision I have slowly built up in my machinery.. I have reground,
rescraped and rebuilt MY kit, for the last time in MY lifetime!
I have no place for "way oil" in my shop!!
Robert Bastow..With asbestos knickers in place!! 8^)
Doug White
>Kevin Pinkerton wrote:
<snip>
>
>Personally I am very leery of "Way Oil"..Especially on home shop type machines.
>
>Understand that this stuff is developed and formulated for Industrial machines,
>working under arduous, heavily loaded conditions THAT ARE DESIGNED ESPECIALLY
> TO
>USE IT.
The custom model shops and tool rooms I'm familair with use Hardinge lathes
pretty much the same way we do. They all use Mobil Vactra way oil, and
that's what I use. It's available in small quantities from some
suppliers, and it works very nicely. Just sticky enough to stay put, but
without gumming things up or attracting chips excessively. I wipe things
down when I'm done and try to keep things clean, but I also replaced the
way wipes on my machines so that they work. If you think you have a
better answer, you are welcome to your opinion. I'll stick with what the
pros do.
Doug White
Robert Bastow
If you think you have a
> better answer, you are welcome to your opinion. I'll stick with what the
> pros do.
>
I AM A PRO Doug!!
Six year apprenticeship in the Machine tool building industry as as
toolmaker/machinist/machine builder.
Service/ Commissioning engineer for ALFRED HERBERT..At one time the LARGEST
machine tool builders in the WORLD... Ever heard of them? or DeVlieg or
Churchill, Broadbent, Coventry Dieworks..all part of Herberts
Thirty seven years in the Industry,
Managed three different LARGE custom/jobbing machine/Tool and die shops.
Owned Two (smaller thank God) machine shops of my own.
Model Engineer and HSM for forty plus years.
I have seen inside, pulled to pieces, sweated over, wept over,crawled in and
crawled over, bought and sold, rescued, rebuilt and scrapped more machine tools
that your Hardinge "Operators" have had hot dinners. I know what I know and I
am glad I am not paying for their ignorance.
But to return to my post....and please re-read it Doug before going off half
cocked again..
I simply stated for the reasons I set out..that "way oil" has no place in MY
SHOP!!
It doesn't now and, until I choose to buy the kind of equipment for which it is
a BENEFIT not a DEATH SENTENCE...IT NEVER WILL HAVE!!
Respectfully,
Robert Bastow
Paul Amaranth
>Doug White wrote:
> If you think you have a
>> better answer, you are welcome to your opinion. I'll stick with what the
>> pros do.
>>
>
>I AM A PRO Doug!!
>
>But to return to my post....and please re-read it Doug before going off half
>cocked again..
>
>I simply stated for the reasons I set out..that "way oil" has no place in MY
>SHOP!!
>
>It doesn't now and, until I choose to buy the kind of equipment for which it is
>a BENEFIT not a DEATH SENTENCE...IT NEVER WILL HAVE!!
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Robert Bastow
Hi Robert
Your original post didn't show up on my system and doesn't seem to have made
it into DejaNews either (although Doug clearly saw it).
Could you repost that or expound a bit on why way oil is a bad thing? I'd
like to see that.
--
Paul Amaranth | Rochester MI, USA
Aurora Group, Inc. | Software Development
pa...@AuroraGrp.Com | Unix / C / Tcl-Tk
Robert Bastow
it....
Kevin Pinkerton wrote:
>
> I just got a quart sample of the ISO 68 (medium weight) Syn Way oil
> from Royal Purple. It acts very tacky and leaves strings between the
> fingers (like I would expect it to) very similar to the way Chain Saw
> Bar oil does.
>
Personally I am very leery of "Way Oil"..Especially on home shop type machines.
Understand that this stuff is developed and formulated for Industrial machines,
working under arduous, heavily loaded conditions THAT ARE DESIGNED ESPECIALLY
TO
USE IT.
Alex Reinhold
<Tubal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robert-
You are so full of shit it's unbelievable. But hey, it's a
free country.
Alex
Javahead jones
public discourse!
Hajo Smulders
Alex Reinhold wrote in message <36b6fa5...@nntp.netcruiser>...
Lennie the Lurker
Robert Bastow <Tubal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Some people didn't receive this original post and I have been asked to repeat
> it....
>
Sorry, Robert. I have an old No.2 Garvin turret that I rebuilt, and tried
using the motor oils in the ram of the turret, which definately has no wipers
and is totally exposed for part of it's travel. The only thing that even
comes close to way oil in this machine, and my No.1 W&S, is 90wt gear oil.
Even here, the way oil seems to hang in and work better for longer. In the
year and a half since the rebuild, I have not been able to determine any wear
in either the vertical or horizontal displacement of the ram. It is still on
center and still running true to the spindle. As both machines are old,
probably over 100 years now, one would expect to see something, but I find
nothing. The saddle, ramslide, and ways are all soft, nothing is hardened.
The oil system consists of a pump oiler and a rag, and when the ram starts
getting stiff, oil it again.
Just my experiences with these two machines, all of the others I use a light
motor oil or hydraulic wiped on, as the oilers in a Taiwan machine are ususlly
seated to the point that you can't get any oil past the stop ball. Meaning
smashed in assembly.
Richard
"Measure with Micrometer"
"Mark with crayon"
"Cut with axe"
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Robert Bastow
knowledgeable and obviously (for you) clearly thought out and SO ELOQUENTLY
constructed remark.
Would it be stretching you a little too much perhaps, to ask you; what is the
sum of your experience, in and thoughts on the practice and theory of the use of
way oil in the Home shop as opposed to its many, perfectly correct uses in
industry.
That's if you ever DO stop to think before you open your big yap!!
Contemptuously...But after all Alex..It IS a free country!!
Robert Bastow
Mike Graham
>Personally I am very leery of "Way Oil"..Especially on home shop type machines.
For the most part, I agree. When I'm looking at an old machine, I
love to see heavy, caked-on grease on the castings and any non-moving
part; protects the finish. On a moving part, though, I like to see it
clean. Think of a hydraulic cylinder; nice and greasy on the outside,
but that piston shaft should be *dead* shiny. No heavy grease, and no
'bits and pieces' on it.
If you're *storing* the machine, then grease up the ways. If you're
*using* it, then wipe them down with acetone and use a silicone or
something thin that won't attract chips.
For woodworking machines you can usually get away with using chain
lube, or something sticky as long as the wipers are good, but I've
seen many table saws put temporarily out of comission by having the
adjusting screws coated with grease and subsequently, by use, coated
with sawdust.
Mike Graham mi...@headwaters.com
Mangler of metal. User of many grinding disks.
Cut with an axe, beat to fit, paint to match.
Warren Lemoi
Machine tool carriages typically operate on slideways under high loads
and slow speeds. The carriages must be able to start in motion quickly
and smoothly and then continue in motion at a constant speed.
Excessive frictional resistance at start-up compared to frictional
resistance while in motion can cause undesirable erratic or jumpy
motion which is commonly referred to as machine tool chatter or
stick-slip. Effective way oils must have a low stick-slip value
(static/kinetic coefficient of friction ratio) to prevent stick-slip
problems. Way oils must also possess tackiness to prevent run-off of
the lubricant, particularly on vertical ways. Extreme pressure
properties are also required to prevent scoring of slideways and
guides.
Way Lubricant 68 and 100 are recommended for most machine tools with
horizontal slideways and for light to moderate applications. Way
Lubricant 150 can be used with horizontal and vertical slideways,
depending on the application and parameters. Way Lubricant 220 is
recommended for more severe applications and machines with vertical
slideways.
Way Lubricant products are blended from refined paraffin base stocks
and have been fortified with additives to impart excellent lubricity
and extreme pressure properties. The high lubricity of Way Lubricants
helps reduce friction and drag which can cause stick-slip problems and
machine tool carriage chatter. Applications involving heavily loaded
ways benefit from the extreme pressure properties of the fluid. The
Way Lubricant series exhibit high film strength which allows build-up
of a thick oil film that enables accurate table positioning and
prevents wear of system components. Way Lubricants contain a special
tackifier which prevents the fluid from draining away from lubricated
surfaces and minimizes squeeze out of the lubricant on heavily loaded
ways. The tackiness agent also helps to prevent the fluid from being
washed away by emulsifiable cutting fluids. Way Lubricants also
contain rust and corrosion inhibitors for the protection of machine
parts. In addition, the products offer good water separating
properties, are resistant to foaming, and are thermally and
oxidatively stable in service.
Benefits
In service Way Lubricants provide:
Excellent stick-slip characteristics for smooth, chatter-free
operation
Good extreme pressure and anti-wear properties
Great adhesiveness
Good corrosion protection
Reduced down time
On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:15:22 GMT, in rec.crafts.metalworking you
wrote:
>Personally I am very leery of "Way Oil"..Especially on home shop type machines.
>
>Understand that this stuff is developed and formulated for Industrial machines,
>working under arduous, heavily loaded conditions THAT ARE DESIGNED ESPECIALLY TO
>USE IT.
Like Bridgeport and Southbend, read the owners guide they recommend
way oil.
>By that I mean that their ways are as fully protected from chips, scale and dust
>as possible..by mechanical design and layout.
>
>Secondly, they use way protectors and wipers that cost more to replace than most
>of us would consider paying for a complete work shop of machines.
I never replaced way protectors, I have however retrofitted them to
tools that did not have them. Gortite bellows or telescoping metal
way covers are not that expensive.
>
>Thirdly they are used with timed or constant flow lube systems designed to
>flush, filter and recirculate way oil constantly.
Never seen a machine or machining center recirculate or use constant
flow for way oil. Some grinders use constant flow , filtered oil in
the hydraulic systems, and in the spindle, in oil film bearings, but
spindle oil is very thin, like sewing machine oil. Timed lube is used
to take the need from the operator to stop production and lube his
machine.
>
>Lastly, those machines, expensive as they are, after a short life of careful,
>scheduled maintenance, are..in the final analysis...DISPOSABLE!! Like your hard
>earned machines RIGHT??
That's why there are no used machines available...these guys buy them
and throw them away after a couple of years!
I'll tell the guys that the Brown&Sharpe screw machines they're using
should have been thrown away in the '60's.
Some of them were built in the '40's.
>
>In other words..every thing is done to prevent contamination of the lube..and
>prevent that contaminated lube from being carried UNDER the way wipers and into
>the (Expensive) guts of the machine.
>
>Now consider your precious HS Mill or Lathe.
>
>Sure, especially on a mill, the ways are out of sight and SOMEWHAT protected
>from flying debris. But, remember the last job you did on cast iron..Or scaly,
>hot rolled steel? Boy how the dust flew..took weeks to rid the shop of it didn't
>it?
>
>Well I got bad news for you...some of it is still there, trapped in that lovely
>sticky, flypaper-like WAY OIL that does such a good job of sticking to your ways
>EVEN WHEN those half-assed, half worn wipers pass over it..thats what its
>supposed to do RIGHT??
>
>Wrong, That sticky paste is the reason machine tool rebuilders have a
>business..that and the people who use an air gun to "clean down" their
>machines. (A whole other subject!!)
I thought the machines were "DISPOSABLE!!"
Actually, if there were no oil, then the contaminates could develop
enough friction to damage the parts. With oil, the grit simply slides
over the ways.
>So what should the HSM use? what do *I* use?
>
>SCRUPULOUS CLEANLINESS..I wipe the ways on my lathe EVERY time I traverse the
>saddle any distance and RE-OIL with a squirt of 10W MOTOR OIL...Yeah the stuff
>with DETERGENTS in it!! Why? Because I WANT all that sh*t held in suspension
>and flushed out where I can wipe it off in a couple of minutes. How do I know
>my ways get lubed UNDER the carriage? Because the stuff gets past the
>rinky-dink wipers that, even I, only replace once or twice a year.
>
>Controversial? Obsessive/compulsive? Not if you value, enjoy and respect, the
>knife edge precision I have slowly built up in my machinery.. I have reground,
>rescraped and rebuilt MY kit, for the last time in MY lifetime!
>
>I have no place for "way oil" in my shop!!
>
>Robert Bastow..With asbestos knickers in place!! 8^)
Luvox 300mg q day should help.
Seriously, guys like Mr. Bastow, are set in their ways, and
fortunately, are old enough to retire and let some science and
technology into the shop. There are so many people in metalworking
stuck in the past and resenting any new idea that comes along. Mr.
Bastow himself will tell you how long he worked as a machinist, and
how he went through a long and difficult apprenticeship. He will not,
however say which college his degree is from, nor where his views are
referenced in technical literature. These fine old fellows are great
for stories of "way back when", but I encourage everyone to read the
trade literature, owners manuals, and new book on the subject.
Thanks, Mr. Barstow, for a good laugh, and keep wiping those ways,
hopefully whoever you will your machines to will keep them as
pristine.
--
Warren Lemoi
R&D
Savitar Engineering
"Thinking Outside The Envelope"
Jim Dincau
big snip
> SCRUPULOUS CLEANLINESS..I wipe the ways on my lathe EVERY time I traverse the
> saddle any distance and RE-OIL with a squirt of 10W MOTOR OIL...Yeah the stuff
> with DETERGENTS in it!! Why? Because I WANT all that sh*t held in suspension
rest snipped
Well ther is way oil and there is way oil. The Mobil product that was
recomended by the maker of my lathe is about the consistancy of 10 wt
motor oil and so far it hasn't gummed up or attracted any more chips/dust
than the cutting oil I drown it in. I think cleaning the machine after
using is the secret.
--
Jim Dincau
"If you do it different every time,
you can't make the same mistake twice"
Warren Lemoi
wrote:
>Ooohh! sounds like a sore nerve was hit here! An almost credible response from a
>guy who (It just so happens) seems to make a living from selling this stuff.
>Hey this can really be relied on as ballanced
Actually I am a mechanical engineer, I work as a consultant and have
designed industrial robots. I have no affiliations with any oil
distributors, I just read books, and know where to find information.
>> Luvox 300mg q day should help.
This was in reference to a line in your original post,
"Obsessive/compulsive?", Luvox treats this.
>
>And right there, Mister Lemoi, is where you lost not only the argument..but the
>right to a fair hearing if I know this group.
>
>Certainly you lowered youself to a level that I will not descend to so
>
>this discussion is over!
>
>Grow up, learn some manners and in a few years lets talk again.
>
>You are dismissed.
Thank you, dad.
I guess your line "With asbestos knickers in place!!", didn't help
you.
You showed your colours by taking my lines out of context, and not
backing any of your claims with references.
I will post here no longer and let this die out.
Robert Bastow
guy who (It just so happens) seems to make a living from selling this stuff.
Hey this can really be relied on as ballanced
Warren Lemoi wrote:
>
Snip a whole lot of smooth but irrelevant technical stuff about what way lubes
are supposed to do and how they do it.
Hey if you read my post without that purple haze of rage in front of you
you might have noticed I didn't raise a single objection to the stuff in the
right application I have bought and used thousands of gallons of the stuff.
Buddy when you only got one shot you had better aim it at the right target!!
> Luvox 300mg q day should help.
And right there, Mister Lemoi, is where you lost not only the argument..but the
right to a fair hearing if I know this group.
Certainly you lowered youself to a level that I will not descend to so
this discussion is over!
Grow up, learn some manners and in a few years lets talk again.
You are dismissed.
Robert Bastow
Jon Banquer
Is Luvox in the same class as Paxil and Prozac ?
Meaning, they both (I think) increase the saratonin (sp ?)
level to the brain. This make the neurons in your brain fire
faster or slower ? How about Zanex what does that do ?
This area of medicine seems to have taken off. Lets see
if we can make this discussion semi-productive. Can you
fill me in on the details.
jon
Warren Lemoi wrote in message <36bd2fc2....@news.earthlink.net>...
On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 03:53:53 GMT, in rec.crafts.metalworking you
wrote:
>Ooohh! sounds like a sore nerve was hit here! An almost credible response from a
>guy who (It just so happens) seems to make a living from selling this stuff.
>Hey this can really be relied on as ballanced
Actually I am a mechanical engineer, I work as a consultant and have
designed industrial robots. I have no affiliations with any oil
distributors, I just read books, and know where to find information.
>> Luvox 300mg q day should help.
This was in reference to a line in your original post,
"Obsessive/compulsive?", Luvox treats this.
>
>And right there, Mister Lemoi, is where you lost not only the argument..but the
>right to a fair hearing if I know this group.
>
>Certainly you lowered youself to a level that I will not descend to so
>
>this discussion is over!
>
>Grow up, learn some manners and in a few years lets talk again.
>
>You are dismissed.
Thank you, dad.
Don Foreman
Warren Lemoi <sav...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<36bd2fc2....@news.earthlink.net>...
> You showed your colours by taking my lines out of context, and not
> backing any of your claims with references.
>
> I will post here no longer and let this die out.
Go eat worms and die? My, such a fragile flower in the machine shop!
But it was fun to watch, and we gained some food for thought -- thanks for
that.
Robert Bastow
>
(Snip irrelevancies)
> I will post here no longer and let this die out.
> --
PLONK
Robert Bastow
>
> >> Luvox 300mg q day should help.
>
> Is Luvox in the same class as Paxil and Prozac ?
> Meaning, they both (I think) increase the saratonin (sp ?)
> level to the brain. This make the neurons in your brain fire
> faster or slower ? How about Zanex what does that do ?
>
> This area of medicine seems to have taken off. Lets see
> if we can make this discussion semi-productive. Can you
> fill me in on the details.
>
> jon
>
Metal working, or the price of tea in China for that matter!!
It just so happens I have been on Seratonin uptake blockers for years as the
result of lifelong, Clinical Depression and a Nervous Breakdown, This forum is
a vital part of my therapy and I would rather not have you or anyone else cross
post here on that particular subject. Go to alt. morbid medical curiosities.com,
or someplace..ANY place, else with it.
Yes..you touched, probably, the ONLY raw nerve I have in my Body!!
Robert Bastow
William E Williams
> business..that and the people who use an air gun to "clean down" their
> machines. (A whole other subject!!)
I would add the shops that don't oil the machines at all so they can make
more money to this list.
--
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%% Systems Analyst II Phone: (412) 624-HELP %%
%% Help Desk Office: 230 David Lawrence Hall %%
Jon Banquer
>Er! excuse me Jon..but what the #$%& does this have to do with Way Oil,
>Metal working, or the price of tea in China for that matter!!
Ummm... probably nothing but it could be considered along the lines of a
threads like "Snowed IN ", "Killing Rats", "Killing Poodles" or telephone
salesman, etc, etc.
Since Warren seemed knowledgeable with the subject, (He mentioned Luvox)
I though I could steer the conversation to something more productive then a
battle over "Way Oil " (I read your response to the other post and see your point
on way oil, BTW) to something I have an interest in.
Sorry that you took it the wrong way. I did not realize that the subject of Seratonin
(Thanks for the correct spelling ) uptake blockers was taboo here.
Respectfully,
jon
VICTORCAP
engineering that have brought me so much pleasure over the years?
thanks,
fred
Kurt Bjorn
--
Guy Lautard
VICTORCAP wrote in message <19990203150601...@ng58.aol.com>...
Stephen Barstow
<Tubal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kevin Pinkerton wrote:
>
> I just got a quart sample of the Trojan Extra lubricated condom.
> It acts very tacky and leaves strings between the
> fingers (like I would expect it to) very similar to the way Vaseline
> does.
Personally I am very leery of "Lubricated Condomsl"..Especially on
homo types.
Understand that this stuff is developed and formulated for
Homosexuals, working under arduous, heavily loaded conditions THAT ARE
DESIGNED ESPECIALLY TO USE IT.
By that I mean that their penises are as fully protected from chips,
scale and dust as possible..by mechanical design and layout.
Secondly, they use ribbed condoms that cost more to replace than most
of us would consider paying for a complete round the world session.
Thirdly they are used with sphincters designed to flush, filter and
recirculate feces constantly.
Lastly, those condoms, expensive as they are, after a short life of
careful, scheduled maintenance, are..in the final
analysis...DISPOSABLE!! Like your hard member, RIGHT??
In other words..every thing is done to prevent contamination of the
lube..and prevent that contaminated lube from being carried UNDER the
condom and into the (Expensive) guts of the penis.
Now consider your precious penis and testicals.
Sure, especially on a homo, the jewels are out of sight and SOMEWHAT
protected from flying debris. But, remember the last blow job you
did? .Or scaly, hot transvestite? Boy how the dust flew..took weeks
to rid the shop of it didn't it?
Well I got bad news for you...some of it is still there, trapped in
that lovely sticky, flypaper-like CONDOM that does such a good job of
sticking to your boys EVEN WHEN those half-assed, half worn ass wipes
pass over it..thats what its supposed to do RIGHT??
Wrong, That sticky paste is the reason free clinics have a
business..that and the people who use an air gun to "clean down" their
privates. (A whole other subject!!)
So what should the HSM use? what do *I* use?
SCRUPULOUS CLEANLINESS..I wipe my ass EVERY time I traverse the
toilet seat any distance and RE-OIL with a squirt of K-Y Jelly...Yeah
the stuff with DETERGENTS in it!! Why? Because I WANT all that sh*t
held in suspension and flushed out where I can wipe it off in a couple
of minutes. How do I know my penis gets lubed UNDER the head?
Because the stuff gets past the rinky-dink wipers that, even I, only
replace once or twice a year.
Controversial? Obsessive/compulsive? Not if you value, enjoy and
respect, the knife edge precision I have slowly built up in my penis..
I have reground, rescraped and rebuilt MY kit, for the last time in MY
lifetime!
I have no place for "Homosl" in my shop!!
Robert Bastow..With knee pads in place!! 8^)
Mike Graham
>No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen name.
>
>--
>Guy Lautard
Why is it that "Kurt Bjorn" who signs his messages "Guy Lautard" has
a hard time with Robert Bastow using the name Tubal Cain in memory of
the original?
Robert Bastow
I make it a rule however never to fight in the mud with a pig...
You both get dirty but the Pig enjoys it.
However I have another rule never to let a lie or a slur go unanswered lest it
be construed as the truth by others.
You my friend are not telling the truth and I am going to dig out the
correspondence we had on this subject, several months ago..before I, on several
occassions,made you look the Idiot you are.
I have been asked this same question many times by current members of this
list..so don't imagine that you go un-noticed.
Meanwhile I am going to ask Fred..to whom I had already responded on his private
request..to please post that answer here for all to see.
Kurt, I feel sorry for you because I know you are not man enough to retract
that remark or apologise.
So I will consider our once harmononious relationship at at am end and trust you
will enjoy your..
PLONK
Cordially
Robert Bastow
Meanwhile I am going to ask
Kurt Bjorn wrote:
>
> No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen name.
>
> --
> Guy Lautard
>
Robert Bastow
By the way the "tubalcain" is in lower case in DEFERENCE as well as "IN
MEMORIAM" to that Great Mentor. Further, I never "sign" myself as such.
What matter, 'tis of no import to me whether Kurt " Guy Lautard" Bjorn tells the
truth or not. Enough of the people I REALLY care about know the the TRUE story
and understand my motives.
Sincerely,
Robert Bastow
Mike Graham wrote:
>
> "Kurt Bjorn" <pyro...@flash.net> wrote:
>
> >No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen name.
> >
> >--
> >Guy Lautard
>
Kurt Bjorn
>"Kurt Bjorn" <pyro...@flash.net> wrote:
>
>>No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen
name.
>>
>>--
>>Guy Lautard
>
> Why is it that "Kurt Bjorn" who signs his messages "Guy Lautard" has
>a hard time with Robert Bastow using the name Tubal Cain in memory of
>the original?
>
>
>Mike Graham mi...@headwaters.com
>
umm, sarcasm, perhaps? Tongue-in-cheek humor? Sorry you didn't like it.
--
Kurt
Mike Graham
>Understand that this stuff is developed and formulated for
>Homosexuals, working under arduous, heavily loaded conditions THAT ARE
>DESIGNED ESPECIALLY TO USE IT.
Oh geez.... I am *dyin'* over here. That was a laugh and a half.
Tom Holt
from "Kurt Bjorn" <pyro...@flash.net> contains these words:
> No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen name.
> --
> Guy Lautard
Thanks for sharing, Mr Lautard. Or is it Mr Bjorn?
ppierce
>
> On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:15:22 GMT, Robert Bastow
> <Tubal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kevin Pinkerton wrote:
> >
> > I just got a quart sample
How did I get my newsgroup switched to alt.condom.anal?????
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> No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen name.
Well, Robert said publically that he did it in tribute to the late
fellow (sorry, I forget his real name) who used that pen name to write
many Model Engineer related articles and books.
If Robert wasn't such a good guy, he might be getting more of a hard time
about it.
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> And right there, Mister Lemoi, is where you lost not only the > argument..but the right to a fair hearing if I know this group.
Warren Lemoi wrote:
<snip>
>
> You showed your colours by taking my lines out of context, and not
> backing any of your claims with references.
>
> I will post here no longer and let this die out.
Contrary to Robert Bastrow's guess, the "argument" is not yet decided
"for the group", nor is it likely to ever be.
And, more importantly, he does not speak for the group, only himself.
Your post was a positive contribution to the discussion at hand, don't
go away thinking badly of the group.
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John stevenson
>Mike Graham wrote in message <36bdc38b...@news.headwaters.com>...
>>"Kurt Bjorn" <pyro...@flash.net> wrote:
>>
>>>No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen
>name.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Guy Lautard
>>
>> Why is it that "Kurt Bjorn" who signs his messages "Guy Lautard" has
>>a hard time with Robert Bastow using the name Tubal Cain in memory of
>>the original?
>>
>>
>>Mike Graham mi...@headwaters.com
>>
>
>umm, sarcasm, perhaps? Tongue-in-cheek humor? Sorry you didn't like it.
I liked it Kurt, thought it a good play on words.
Robert seems to be a bit touchy these days, may wear off , we'll see.
Life's too short to bitch about these things.
--
Regards,
John Stevenson at
Nottingham, England.
Robert Bastow
>
> Robert, if you keep plonking people you will soon be talking to
> yourself. Seems I have seen the 'plonk' numerous times from you in the
> past little while.
>
> Jens
PLONK!! ;^) And I mean that only HALF seriously Jens!!
You have in the past earned my respect..but comments like that make me wonder if
you are part of the solution..or by wimpy default, becoming part of the
problem!!
It is easy to say "lighten up" when you are a bystander, not subject to
PERSONAL atack and abuse every time you come up with a bit of helpful advise,
hard earned experience
Seriously Jens, It seems like every time anyone comes up with any original
thought around here, he publishes with the certain knowledge that the first
reaction from "The Intelligentsia" is to imply you are a mental defective,
uneducated lying, thieving, old fart!!
I remember, not too long ago, when this was a fun place to be and, when the tone
deteriated too far there were certain fair minded people that could be relied on
to restore sanity.
You USED to be one of those people Jens!
Robert Bastow (tubalcain to anyone who gives a SHIT anymore)
PLONK
Jon Banquer
>Contrary to Robert Bastrow's guess, the "argument" is not yet decided
>"for the group", nor is it likely to ever be.
I agree.
>And, more importantly, he does not speak for the group, only himself.
>Your post was a positive contribution to the discussion at hand, don't
>go away thinking badly of the group.
I agree here, also. Thanks for having to courage to speak up !!!
I appreciate it.
I enjoy reading what Robert Bastrow has to say but it is not appropriate to
forbid discussing SSRI. I hope that Robert can understand this or I'm going to
be "Plonked". If those are the "rules" I can live with the "Plonking".
Warren and several others were kind enough to e-mail me with information
about Serotonin-Selective Reuptake Inhibitors. The information was greatly
appreciated and very helpful. I also have a much better understanding of the
difference between Zanex and the SSRI drugs like Paxil and Prozac.
Warren, I hope you stick around. Same goes for Robert even with a "Plonking"
As an apprentice tool maker, I quickly learned that there was more then one
"correct" way to machine a part !
jon
raw...@my-dejanews.com
Ar...@pacbell.net (Alex Reinhold) wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 1999 05:15:22 GMT, Robert Bastow
> <Tubal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You are so full of shit it's unbelievable. But hey, it's a
> free country.
>
> Alex
>
>
That is my thought too. Execpt I agree that for cleaning the machine is what I
do. When I run a machine and I start to see the oil on the ways discolor. Then
I clean it.
Machines in the work place wear out prematurely because most operators will
not oil them at all. I know I have seen it. I buy the reccomended oil for the
machine and use it.
Richard W.
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Rudy Kohoupt
Stop this foolish bickering! We're here because of our mutual love of
machining, metalworking, and ingenious design. We solve problems, not
start them.
As my old friend Willy Shakespeare said, "What's in a name? A rose by
any other would smell as sweet." If Robert chooses to memorialize Tubal
Cain in his e-mail address, so be it. And if Kurt takes offense at his
presumptuousness, so be it.
Methinks this thread has taken on the stink of rancid cutting oil and
that we should have no more of it.
Rudy
Robert Bastow wrote:
>
> Finally found a way to get a nasty dig in did you Kurt??
>
> I make it a rule however never to fight in the mud with a pig...
>
> You both get dirty but the Pig enjoys it.
>
> However I have another rule never to let a lie or a slur go unanswered lest it
> be construed as the truth by others.
>
> You my friend are not telling the truth and I am going to dig out the
> correspondence we had on this subject, several months ago..before I, on several
> occassions,made you look the Idiot you are.
>
> I have been asked this same question many times by current members of this
> list..so don't imagine that you go un-noticed.
>
> Meanwhile I am going to ask Fred..to whom I had already responded on his private
> request..to please post that answer here for all to see.
>
> Kurt, I feel sorry for you because I know you are not man enough to retract
> that remark or apologise.
>
> So I will consider our once harmononious relationship at at am end and trust you
> will enjoy your..
>
> PLONK
>
> Cordially
>
> Robert Bastow
>
> Meanwhile I am going to ask
>
> Kurt Bjorn wrote:
> >
> > No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen name.
> >
> > --
> > Guy Lautard
> >
Kurt Bjorn
>
> Finally found a way to get a nasty dig in did you Kurt??
>
> I make it a rule however never to fight in the mud with a pig...
>
> You both get dirty but the Pig enjoys it.
>
> However I have another rule never to let a lie or a slur go unanswered
lest it
> be construed as the truth by others.
>
> You my friend are not telling the truth and I am going to dig out the
> correspondence we had on this subject, several months ago..before I, on
several
> occassions,made you look the Idiot you are.
Robert, you are mistaken, I never had a protracted conversation with you on
your signiature. Might have been another Kurt. Please enlighten me on my
"slurs" and "lies", I am most interested. Deja-News is ready and waiting.
In the meantime, I will avoid name-calling (such as Idiot with a capital
"I").
>
> I have been asked this same question many times by current members of this
> list..so don't imagine that you go un-noticed.
>
> Meanwhile I am going to ask Fred..to whom I had already responded on his
private
> request..to please post that answer here for all to see.
>
> Kurt, I feel sorry for you because I know you are not man enough to
retract
> that remark or apologise.
What remark? I made no remarks. Maybe the aluminum is fogging my brain.
Please remind me.
Kurt Bjorn
Scott A. Moore
stupid, pointless, and totally off the origninal topic (which was
kinda interesting).
Have a nice day.
In article <36B77C36...@hotmail.com>, Tubal...@hotmail.com says...
>
>Thanks Mike, a friend indeed.
>
>By the way the "tubalcain" is in lower case in DEFERENCE as well as "IN
>MEMORIAM" to that Great Mentor. Further, I never "sign" myself as such.
>
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Rudy Kohoupt wrote in message <36B9B404...@machinist.com>...
>As my old friend Willy Shakespeare said, "What's in a name? A rose by
>any other would smell as sweet."
>Methinks this thread has taken on the stink of rancid cutting oil and
Robert Bastow
for me.
I therefore wholeheartedly offer my apologies to those I offended and hope they
will accept and forgive
Secondly, though *I* know my motives were pure in adopting the name of tubalcain
"In memorium" I can well see how others might misconstrue..even resent this.
After all Tubal Cain is a legend to a lot of us, and even if I had aspirations
to fill his shoes (which I do NOT)..they are certainly too big for me.
So this is the last post from tubal...@hotmail.com. Sorry you don't get rid
of ME that easily though. My new address will be:
tee...@Hotmail.com
If anyone has any objections to THAT please let me know.
Thanks,
Robert Bastow
Robert Bastow
Jens wrote:
>
> Robert Bastow <Tubal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > My new address will be:
> >
> > tee...@Hotmail.com
> >
> >If anyone has any objections to THAT please let me know.
>
> What ???? Take our beloved tee nuts name in vain ..... shame on you
> Robert :)
>
> Jens
>
> PS.: Sorry, couldn't resist ....
ppierce
......that (I think golf is
> about as boring as watching grass grow and is only slightly surpassed
> by hockey and football .......... ).
Oddly, those are my feelings also. Must be why I bought the lather and
m/d.
> Waiting for incoming flames on sports ......
None here. I got enough goofy looks when people asked if I watched the
big
game and I said "What game".... (8*)>
a...@chelmsford.com
In article <36B9B404...@machinist.com>,
Rudy Kohoupt <ru...@machinist.com> wrote:
> Boys! Boys!
>
> Stop this foolish bickering! We're here because of our mutual love of
> machining, metalworking, and ingenious design. We solve problems, not
> start them.
>
> As my old friend Willy Shakespeare said, "What's in a name? A rose by
> any other would smell as sweet." If Robert chooses to memorialize Tubal
> Cain in his e-mail address, so be it. And if Kurt takes offense at his
> presumptuousness, so be it.
>
> Methinks this thread has taken on the stink of rancid cutting oil and
> that we should have no more of it.
>
> Rudy
>
> Robert Bastow wrote:
> >
> > Finally found a way to get a nasty dig in did you Kurt??
> >
> > I make it a rule however never to fight in the mud with a pig...
> >
> > You both get dirty but the Pig enjoys it.
> >
> > However I have another rule never to let a lie or a slur go unanswered lest
it
> > be construed as the truth by others.
> >
> > You my friend are not telling the truth and I am going to dig out the
> > correspondence we had on this subject, several months ago..before I, on
several
> > occassions,made you look the Idiot you are.
> >
> > I have been asked this same question many times by current members of this
> > list..so don't imagine that you go un-noticed.
> >
> > Meanwhile I am going to ask Fred..to whom I had already responded on his
private
> > request..to please post that answer here for all to see.
> >
> > Kurt, I feel sorry for you because I know you are not man enough to retract
> > that remark or apologise.
> >
> > So I will consider our once harmononious relationship at at am end and
trust you
> > will enjoy your..
> >
> > PLONK
> >
> > Cordially
> >
> > Robert Bastow
> >
> > Meanwhile I am going to ask
> >
> > Kurt Bjorn wrote:
> > >
> > > No, I already asked this question. He simply ripped off the guy's pen
name.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Guy Lautard
> > >
> > > VICTORCAP wrote in message <19990203150601...@ng58.aol.com>...
> > > >are you "the" Tubal Cain, author of all the wonderful books on model
> > > >engineering that have brought me so much pleasure over the years?
> > > >thanks,
> > > >fred
>
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Lennie the Lurker
I'm sure you will agree with me Robert, that a certain amount of bickering is
an absolute must to add spice to the process of bringing out all the pro's
and con's on any given subject. Otherwise it's like tripe without mustard,
according to one of the ancient romans, "Insipid".
Richard (disconnected, reconnected, now going to email my !@#$%^&*(!!!??) ISP
again)
"Measure with Micrometer"
"Mark with crayon"
"Cut with axe"
http://homestead.dejanews.com/user.rabue/index.html
Don Foreman
off of. Titanium tees, precision tees, balanced tees, tees made from the
shinbones of able jerks that park in handicapped spots -- you know!
Jens <p...@home.com> wrote in article
<36c11b23....@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>...
Tom Holt
from Robert Bastow <Tubal...@hotmail.com> contains these words:
> Secondly, though *I* know my motives were pure in adopting the name of tubalcain
> "In memorium" I can well see how others might misconstrue..even resent this.
> After all Tubal Cain is a legend to a lot of us, and even if I had aspirations
> to fill his shoes (which I do NOT)..they are certainly too big for me.
Up to you, of course; but I think it's a pity. I liked the way you
paid tribute to a great teacher and enthusiast.
FWIW, you were of course only doing what The Real Tubal Cain had done
before you - he took the name of a character from the Bible and used
it as a nom de plume.
(And before anybody accuses me of it, I'm not trying to pass myself
off as a *real* lemming...)
Steve Rayner
I get the same thing! Someone will ask me " How about ( Insert the name
of some large city ), last night. I reply " Just another big dirty city ".
:)
I could care less which team wins a sporting event! I only watch the
newshour on TV, and a couple of Canadian comedy/satire shows.
ppierce (ppi...@cyberhighway.net) wrote:
: Jens wrote:
--
I'm a Canadian eh! Steve.
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