Arrow Trucking Shuts Doors
azotic
Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to
figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was
"suspending all operations" that day.
Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks
to the nearest Freightliner dealership.
http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_Reports/2009/Dec09/122209-arrow-drivers.htm
Best Regards
Tom.
John R. Carroll
> around our country.
Same thing happened five years ago (?) with Consolidated.
Did that frighten you?
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Bill McKee
"John R. Carroll" <nu...@bidness.dev.nul> wrote in message
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The scary part, is sometimes I think the Healthcare Bill is to keep people
from looking at the lack of Congressional action on the meltdown. They say
the Recession is ending. BS! Unemployment numbers still very high,
something like 319,000 people moved over to special extended unemployment
just last week. They have given Wall Street bunches of money, and now they
are giving it back after they used it to scam investors out of even more
money, and want no regulation of their business, until the next bailout is
needed. We need to vote out all the incumbents. We may throw out a good
one or 2 in the process, but is worth the error. The government has added
about a 1/2 million in debt per family this year and not much has been
improved. The housing improvement is driven by the Tax Credit, and the Fed
buying all new mortgages. What happens in 2 months when the Fed stops
buying the mortgages. And the interest rate starts rising again. How many
foreclosures then? We have an administration saying we will cut emissions.
While China and India are laughing all the way to more production. What the
hell was Arnold, The Govenator, doing at the Climate summit. The economy in
California is in chaos. The Legislature has been overspending for years and
committing spending into the future. They have the districts Gerrymandered
so 90% get re-elected. We are screwed, or at least our kids and grandkids
are.
Gunner Asch
>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:12:18 -0800, "azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
>around our country.
"The Economy is doing better than it was in 2008 and the recession is
over"
CBS News, December 10, 2009
Right. Oh hell yes.
And each and everyone of those drivers is going to sooner or later get
home..and will be really really really pissed off at the Leftards who
have ruined the economy. And many of them own guns.
The day is coming.....LeftwingOcide is on the horizon.
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Jim Chandler
Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be redrawing the
political boundaries in 2011? I just saw something about it today.
They are looking for citizens to participate. The make up will be
five Democrats, five Republicans and four "no political party". This
was brought about by a referendum a couple of years ago. It's taking
forever to get anything done but at least SOMETHING will get done.
Jim
Bill McKee
"Jim Chandler" <n4...@gte.net> wrote in message
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I know and I voted for it. Also voted for it when Arnie ran it by the
voters a few years ago. But until then we get the same POS's that we have
had for years, until term limited at least. But they will probably stack
the commission. I am a registered Dem, fut being a fiscal conservative and
social liberal most like tosses me.
Roger Shoaf
"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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As someone that tried to make a living as a truck driver this does not
really surprise me.
I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
inform them where I parked their truck.
The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is that they allow
others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and then try to make
the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined for failure.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
Bill McKee
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Or take out a lien on the truck and cargo, for expenses and wages.
I wonder what a newer Freightliner and trailer loaded with Christmas
Stuff is worth?
Stormin Mormon
may be decided by those who program the machines. We voters
might not ever be able to make hope and change again. Now
that the hope and change people are changing the face of the
nation, and removing hope. Abandon hope, ye who live here.
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Stormin Mormon
RINO, and four left leaning with no party affiliation?
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Bill, are you aware of the new commission that will be
Stormin Mormon
on every sale, but made up for it on the volume."
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Wes
>I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
>enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
>shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
>to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
>it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
>pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
>inform them where I parked their truck.
After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel
mileage heading for home ;)
Wes
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government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
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fuel.
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pyotr filipivich
23 Dec 2009 18:29:04 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>around our country.
Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
well shucky darns.
-
pyotr filipivich
Any entity big enough to meet your needs,
is big enough to decide what those needs should be.
cavelamb
>
>> That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
>> around our country.
>
> Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
> all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
> our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
>
> What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
>
> well shucky darns.
> -
> pyotr filipivich
>
This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
pyotr filipivich
Dec 2009 11:39:48 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
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>"Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
>
>>I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
>>enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
>>shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
>>to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
>>it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
>>pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
>>inform them where I parked their truck.
>
>After you dropped that trailer in the nearest parking lot, you would get better fuel
>mileage heading for home ;)
Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told
their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home,
don't call us, we'll call you.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!
Jim Chandler
<bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
What the hell. The worst they can do is say "Thank you but your
services are not required." If it's done on the up and up (why do I
doubt that?) it will be a good thing. Who knows, maybe the
Republicans can gain control of the legislature and stop a lot of this
excessive taxing and spending that is going on. We can only hope.
Jim
Jim Chandler
<cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What are the odds it will turn out to be five liberals, five
>RINO, and four left leaning with no party affiliation?
Probably about 712 to 1.
Jim
Bill McKee
The Republicans will not get control, and they seem to spend almost as much
as the Dems. But we may get a more centrist legislature. For years the
California legislature has been much more left than the state as an average.
Bill McKee
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Not anymore room for crookedness than now. Look at the areas with more
voters than living people. And with an electronic machine, is easy to get a
paper trail Just attach a small printer to each unit, and the person sees
what he voted for, then turns in the paper.
Pete C.
I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased
from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them
off at the nearest Freightliner dealer.
Michael A. Terrell
Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. :(
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pyotr filipivich
<mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
>
There ain'ta no Santa Clause.
pyotr
cavelamb
> Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
> -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
> following:
>> cavelamb wrote:
>>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>> That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
>>>>> around our country.
>>>> Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
>>>> all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
>>>> our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
>>>>
>>>> What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
>>>>
>>>> well shucky darns.
>>>> -
>>>> pyotr filipivich
>>>>
>>> This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
>>
>> Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. :(
>
> There ain'ta no Santa Clause.
>
> pyotr
>
I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!
Michael A. Terrell
pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
> -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
> following:
> >
> >cavelamb wrote:
> >>
> >> pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
> >> >> around our country.
> >> >
> >> > Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
> >> > all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
> >> > our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
> >> >
> >> > What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
> >> >
> >> > well shucky darns.
> >> > -
> >> > pyotr filipivich
> >> >
> >>
> >> This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
> >
> >
> > Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. :(
>
> There ain'ta no Santa Clause.
I never mentioned 'Santa'.
Michael A. Terrell
cavelamb wrote:
>
> pyotr filipivich wrote:
> > Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
> > <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
> > -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
> > following:
> >> cavelamb wrote:
> >>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
> >>>>> That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
> >>>>> around our country.
> >>>> Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
> >>>> all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
> >>>> our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
> >>>>
> >>>> What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
> >>>>
> >>>> well shucky darns.
> >>>> -
> >>>> pyotr filipivich
> >>>>
> >>> This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
> >>
> >> Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. :(
> >
> > There ain'ta no Santa Clause.
> >
> > pyotr
> >
>
> I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!
What would he do with sanity? ;-)
cavelamb
T'wern't sanity I was referring to...
Michael A. Terrell
Well, that's just crazy talk! ;-)
Snag
> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
>> -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking
>> the following:
>>> cavelamb wrote:
>>>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>> That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats
>>>>>> happening around our country.
>>>>> Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that
>>>>> we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow
>>>>> stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
>>>>>
>>>>> What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
>>>>>
>>>>> well shucky darns.
>>>>> -
>>>>> pyotr filipivich
>>>>>
>>>> This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
>>>
>>> Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. :(
>>
>> There ain'ta no Santa Clause.
>>
>> pyotr
>>
>
> I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!
Started my day with a bang , an' it's only gotten better since ...
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"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
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Wes
>> Assuming you owned your own truck. This reads like Arrow told
>> their drivers (the ones driving company trucks) to park it, head home,
>> don't call us, we'll call you.
>
>I believe that pretty much all of the trucks Arrow was using were leased
>from the manufacturers and that's why the drivers were told to drop them
>off at the nearest Freightliner dealer.
I don't remember all the details on my shirttail cousins deal but the jist of it is the
trucking company negotiates leasing terms with a truck manufacturer and the drivers are
responsible for the lease.
In my cousins case, the truck is leased for 400,000 miles with a warranty that is in
effect for the full term.
I *hope* this isn't a case where the drivers end up holding the bag.
Wes
pyotr filipivich
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:31:01 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
>> -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
>> following:
>>> cavelamb wrote:
>>>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>> That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
>>>>>> around our country.
>>>>> Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
>>>>> all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
>>>>> our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
>>>>>
>>>>> What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
>>>>>
>>>>> well shucky darns.
>>>>> -
>>>>> pyotr filipivich
>>>>>
>>>> This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
>>>
>>> Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. :(
>>
>> There ain'ta no Santa Clause.
>>
>> pyotr
>>
>
>I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!
I have no idea - I'm sitting on (figuratively speaking) a weeks
mail.
tschus
pyotr filipivich
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:30:31 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>cavelamb wrote:
>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
>>> <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
>>> -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking
>>> the following:
>>>> cavelamb wrote:
>>>>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>>>> That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats
>>>>>>> happening around our country.
>>>>>> Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that
>>>>>> we'd all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow
>>>>>> stew, getting our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well shucky darns.
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> pyotr filipivich
>>>>>>
>>>>> This might be the perfect time to talk about - Santa Clause???
>>>>
>>>> Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. :(
>>>
>>> There ain'ta no Santa Clause.
>>>
>>> pyotr
>>
>> I'll bet you didn't get any for Christmas, didja!
>
>Started my day with a bang , an' it's only gotten better since ...
"Ladies, did you wake up grumpy this morning? Or did you let him
sleep?"
Many years ago, I and my sweetie managed to swing a week together
between quarters. She tended to grumble that I was far too perky in
the morning. "What can I say, I've slept till I'm rested, I woke up
next you, what's not to like?" Of course the next week, when I'm
having to drag out for classes, that is when I held the soliloquy
about the difference between how I am on vacation, and the rest of
term.
pyotr filipivich
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
>cavelamb wrote:
>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> > Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
>> > <mike.t...@earthlink.net> on or about Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:08:12
>> > -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
>> > following:
>> >> cavelamb wrote:
>> >>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> >>>>> That just isn't right... Pretty scary that this is whats happening
>> >>>>> around our country.
>> >>>> Cant be happening. Did the One promise Hope and Change, and that we'd
>> >>>> all be drinking that free bubble-up, eating that rainbow stew, getting
>> >>>> our mortgages paid, and our cars paid for.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What? You mean with all this bullshit - there isn't a pony?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> well shucky darns.
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >> Might as well. It's too late for the Sanity Clause. :(
>> >
>> > There ain'ta no Santa Clause.
>>
>
> What would he do with sanity? ;-)
Convene a Kangaroo court and have a trial by Joey.
pyotr filipivich
Dec 2009 22:30:15 -0500 did write/type or cause to appear in
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And sometimes the company hold the truck, and hires drivers. "It
all depends" - on the bean counter, tax laws, phase of the moon, the
secretary's shoe size...
>I *hope* this isn't a case where the drivers end up holding the bag.
It will be, the question is, how big is that bag? I checked a
forum I'm on. Some of the guys just laid off, were hired with in the
last month. They are still waiting for first paychecks.
pyotr filipivich
Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:16:56 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
Being back to single ... sanity is over rated.
Michael A. Terrell
In other words, a typical day on usenet?
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cavelamb
Certainly true enough around here!
Snag
Mine teaches , and is off til after the first . Lotta good that does me , I
still gotta work .
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Snag
Wannabe Machinist
Jim Chandler
<bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
That's kinda what I was referring to, Bill. The Legislature is so far
left that the center looks like the right as it is now. The biggest
problem, I think, is that the far left places such as San Fransicko
and Los Angeles are more heavily represented than the rest of the
state and, thus, carry more power. Something has GOT to change or
this state is going to go further down the toilet than, frankly, it
already is.
Jim
Bruce L. Bergman
<sh...@nospamsyix.com> wrote:
>
>"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:mtxYm.9445$yM1...@newsfe11.iad...
>> BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
>> Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
>> Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying
>to
>> figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was
>> "suspending all operations" that day.
>>
>> Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
>> Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
>> their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
>> shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their
>trucks
>> to the nearest Freightliner dealership.
>>
>>
>http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_Reports/2009/Dec09/122209-arrow-drivers.htm
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Tom.
>>
>>
>
>As someone that tried to make a living as a truck driver this does not
>really surprise me.
>
>I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
>enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
>shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
>to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
>it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
>pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
>inform them where I parked their truck.
>
>The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is that they allow
>others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and then try to make
>the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined for failure.
If this was your truck, that would be the proper thing to do - the
customer consignee really wants their merchandise to arrive, and if
the truck is dropped at a dealer it will be greatly delayed if not
"disappeared" by "falling off the loading dock" - BUT.
When the company went under their liability insurance probably did,
too. If you don't park the truck as instructed and try going to the
destination without insurance, and get in a wreck... It's your ass.
And as we all know, "No good deed goes unpunished."
--<< Bruce >>--
Bruce L. Bergman
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:00:16 -0800, "Roger Shoaf" <sh...@nospamsyix.com>
>wrote:
>>"azotic" <azo...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:mtxYm.9445$yM1...@newsfe11.iad...
>>> BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
>>> Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
>>> Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying
>>> to figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced
>>> it was"suspending all operations" that day.
>>>
>>> Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
>>> Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
>>> their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
>>> shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their
>>> trucks to the nearest Freightliner dealership.
>>
>>http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_Reports/2009/Dec09/122209-arrow-drivers.htm
>>
>>As someone that tried to make a living as a truck driver this does not
>>really surprise me.
>>
>>I think if I was the driver under load in this situation and did not have
>>enough fuel to make it to my delivery point, I would contact either the
>>shipper or the consignee or the dealer that wants his truck back and offer
>>to deliver the goods if they would pay for the fuel to get it there and make
>>it to the dealership to turn in the truck. If none of those folks would
>>pony up the coin, then I would feel no obligation to do anything other than
>>inform them where I parked their truck.
>>
>>The reason the trucking business is in such a sorry state is that they allow
>>others to set the rates they charge to haul the freight and then try to make
>>the shortfall up in volume. That plan is always destined for failure.
>
>
>Or take out a lien on the truck and cargo, for expenses and wages.
>
>I wonder what a newer Freightliner and trailer loaded with Christmas
>Stuff is worth?
If they owed you a lot of money, even just a couple of paychecks,
that would be a good idea because you would still be "in possession"
of the asset - BUT you better check with a lawyer first. They could
easily claim you had stolen their truck and were stealing the cargo to
ransom it off to the consignee and probably make it stick, those laws
are arcane at best.
The cargo belongs to the shipper or the consignee, depending on the
FOB location in the paperwork - if it's FOB Destination the shipper
still owns the goods IIRC.
The freight company truck and trailer belong to the leasing company
- the freight company is only leasing (renting) them.
--<< Bruce >>--
pyotr filipivich
It could be worse. I could be fighting extradition from Koala
Lumpur. That's Trial by Wombat, no less.
pyotr
Larry Jaques
<ph...@mindspring.com> scrawled the following:
I had a Combat Wombat chasing after my Corvair convertible down a dirt
track once, but a friend was riding it.
Go Hodaka!
--
REMEMBER: The sooner you fall behind,
the more time you'll have to catch up!
pyotr filipivich
>still gotta work .
Time to consider cross training ...
I recall reading of a guy who's college buddies thought him a real
goof, never cutting classes to go surfing (this was California in the
60's). He graduated and became a teacher. So while they were working
50 weeks out of the year, he had his summers free to hit the beach and
the waves. Cowabunga!
So who's the goof now?
Michael A. Terrell
Keep it up and the pun police will be kicking down your door, to
charge you with attempted punnery. :)
Bob La Londe
Whatever you do don't send any more of those "co... Insert Nixon's favorite
insult here ...ckers" over here.
F. George McDuffee
wrote:
>BREAKING NEWS: Arrow drivers wake to nightmare before Christmas
>Tuesday, Dec. 22, 2009 - On Tuesday, as many as 1,400 truck drivers for
>Arrow Trucking Co., based out of Tulsa, OK, have been frantically trying to
>figure out their next moves as the company unexpectedly announced it was
>"suspending all operations" that day.
>
>Truckers started calling in to the Owner-Operator Independent Drivers
>Association and Land Line after they were awakened with phone calls from
>their dispatchers alerting them to the grim news that the company was
>shutting its doors and that their instructions were to turn in their trucks
>to the nearest Freightliner dealership.
>
>http://www.landlinemag.com/Special_Reports/2009/Dec09/122209-arrow-drivers.htm
>
>Best Regards
>
>Tom.
>
===================
More info on the Arrow Trucking fiasco.
If business leaders don't want to be treated like kids and
crooks, why do they keep acting like kids and crooks?
Is it time to create a new criminal charge "reckless management"
as a parallel to "reckless driving." Just as you are not allowed
to operate a motor vehicle in a careless or reckless manner on
the public roads, should you be allowed to operate a business in
a careless or reckless manner?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=54&articleid=20100103_54_A1_DougPi286078&rss_lnk=11
<snip>
Poor decision-making
At the center of the cyclone and, some say, one of the causes of
Arrow's collapse, was Doug Pielsticker's inexperience, poor
decision-making, casual work ethic and extravagant lifestyle.
Arrow employees who struggled with family expenses during the
past few years were struck by the contrast of Pielsticker, 41,
driving British Bentley and Italian Maserati cars to work.
<snip>
Gift of a Ducati
In April, about the same time the company began running up unpaid
bills and drivers began noticing the company was not repairing
equipment, Pielsticker received an Italian racing motorcycle as
an anniversary present from his wife, according to his Facebook
page.
<snip>
===============
Very insightful comment about another trucking company on the
edge:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=akW2fq12ZKOA
<snip>
No so-called less-than-truckload company -- one that hauls goods
for more than one customer in the same trailer -- has survived
bankruptcy in the last 30 years, according to the Teamsters, the
union that says it represents about 30,000 YRC employees.
<snip>
Unka George
(George McDuffee)
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).
Ignoramus7943
shipped a walk behind electric pallet lift (weight 350+ lbs) from IL to
TX, with liftgate pickup, for just $250.
Here it is:
http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/Forklift/
I was wondering how they were making money. Now I know.
i
Martin H. Eastburn
the lift under a pallet on the truck.
The charge is by square foot or weight.
I shipped two pallets that could not be bottom stack but tops ok -
and they were several thousand pounds each. It was $550 as I recall.
Another truck line bid 750-1000.
Martin
F. George McDuffee
================
I don't know if this is still the case, but in many past trucking
company bankruptcies, attorneys for the creditors and/or court
have been able to go back several years and collect additional
freight charges from the shippers when the low rates were never
officially registered/ published, under the doctrine of
fraudulent conveyance.
Some higher volume shippers have had to pay hundreds of thousands
of dollars in additional freight charges, the difference between
what they paid and the "official"/registered/published rate.
Ed or John -- do you know if this is still the case?
John R. Carroll
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:42:39 -0600, Ignoramus7943
> <ignora...@NOSPAM.7943.invalid> wrote:
>
>> I shipped several items via Arrow. One was particularly surprising. I
>> shipped a walk behind electric pallet lift (weight 350+ lbs) from IL
>> to TX, with liftgate pickup, for just $250.
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
>> http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/Forklift/
>>
>> I was wondering how they were making money. Now I know.
>>
>> i
> ================
> I don't know if this is still the case, but in many past trucking
> company bankruptcies, attorneys for the creditors and/or court
> have been able to go back several years and collect additional
> freight charges from the shippers when the low rates were never
> officially registered/ published, under the doctrine of
> fraudulent conveyance.
>
> Some higher volume shippers have had to pay hundreds of thousands
> of dollars in additional freight charges, the difference between
> what they paid and the "official"/registered/published rate.
>
> Ed or John -- do you know if this is still the case?
There really isn't a time bar but 18 months is typically observed unless
there is provable collusion.
That is one of the difficulties in dealing with folks that are knwn in
advance to be insolvent.
You can end up on the line for the entire amount owed creditors or the tax
authorities because of the Tort.
--
John R. Carroll
Ignoramus7943
Maybe I will get a $65,989,254.32 bill due to this...
i
John R. Carroll
LOL
Be sure and post that if it happens.
You'd have had to have been reselling Arrow's services to have any liability
under the circumstances George inquired about.
Happy New Year Ig and hopefully 2010 will be the year America turns the page
on what has been a sorry chapter in an otherwise decent book.
--
John R. Carroll
Stormin Mormon
--
Christopher A. Young
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www.lds.org
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