Market Opportunities for Stained Glass??
Roody
What are list members' thoughts about the best way(s) to sell stained glass
pieces? And what types of S.G. do customers want to buy?
My wife is new to S.G., but her pieces are already looking very nice. Mostly
inserts for windows and cabinet doors. We're wondering what are the best
sales venues - galleries? flea markets? consignment?
Thanx,
Chuck M.
Moonraker
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Javahut
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Unlike my blunt , top posting friend.....I believe everyone has a right to
earn a living doing whatever they want, the marketplace will sort it out.
Having said that.....depends on the stuff she is doing and the price range
she is in.
If her stuff is unique, highly artistic, and she wants to deal with the
clientele of Artist's market, apply to the ACC shows, and sell to the
galleries and the gift markets.
Her stuff is OK in originality but not highly artistic, and want to market
locally, do the art fairs.
Both of the above assumes she is designing her own stuff, NO patterns from
books, NO bevel clusters made in third world countries. All totally
original work.
If the above doesn't apply, then sell thru the local gift stores and kitchen
shops, if they will do it, consignment work is OK, but not the best way to
go. You as vendor , take the biggest risk , and gain the least.
If her stuff is small and cutesy, do the flea markets, seems to draw that
crowd...
You have to do the same research as everyone else has done, but something
you must NOT do cut your price just to be under the other guys price.
EVERYONE loses then. Match or go higher, everyone wins then.
goo...@izm.com
Glassman
Good luck..... this field is dying. Driven to death by all the overseas
imports.
--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
Kitty
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have to agree there.....we only hope to use it as a hobby or part time
income----IF we get to retire ! I educate people as much as I can about the
"Imported" crap----and how much quality & love is built in by
craftspeople ---here & europe etc....not by an assembly line of chinese kids
making thousands of the same pcs.....maybe we could call it "fast food"
stained glass???? McGlass!!!
Kitty
Moonraker
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>
> "Moonraker" <moon...@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > Oh, good. Another basement bandit.
> >
> > "Roody" <bi...@myshorts.com> wrote in message
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> > > Hello, all -
> > >
> > > What are list members' thoughts about the best way(s) to sell stained
> > glass
> > > pieces? And what types of S.G. do customers want to buy?
> > >
> > > My wife is new to S.G., but her pieces are already looking very nice.
> > Mostly
> > > inserts for windows and cabinet doors. We're wondering what are the
best
> > > sales venues - galleries? flea markets? consignment?
> > >
> > > Thanx,
> > > Chuck M.
>
>
> Unlike my blunt , top posting friend.....I believe everyone has a right to
> earn a living doing whatever they want, the marketplace will sort it out.
> Having said that.....depends on the stuff she is doing and the price range
> she is in.
>
While I agree that everyone has a right to compete in the marketplace, what
is overlooked here is the blatant presumptiveness of the original poster,
wanting those of us who have 'paid our dues' in this business to blithely
hand out marketing information to make it easier for his beginner wife to
further muddy up the waters in an already diminishing market.
Asking "what types of S.G. do customers want to buy?" and then wanting to
know what sales venues are best shows a complete lack of understanding of
the business process. The old saying about making a better mousetrap and
the world beating a path to your door is really true. If you don't
intuitively know what products you want to make and how to market them, you
probably ought to just keep on making suncatchers and giving them to the
neighbors for Christmas presents. Your mousetrap isn't any different from
thousands of others.
And I'll just be damned if I'm going to show you how my very successful S.G.
business works...at least not for free.
Javahut
And I agree with that point also, been paddling up that stream for a very
long time. I guess when I have been over the falls so many times I have
gotten the attitude that no matter who comes along, "they won't be here that
long" and I keep going. Nearly, but not all, in my area work from their
homes. So I'm kind of used to it, in fact, as a stress reducer, wish I
could do the same.
BUT, the marketplace will sort it out.....
nJb
Been working from the home for three years now. Just about to move into
an established glass studio in Salt Lake. Working at home is nice but I
think I can get more done by leaving the house and "going to work" each
day. I will certainly meet more contacts.
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
goo...@izm.com
The guy who buys a $10 knock-off oil-painting out the back of a truck
was never going to buy a $2,500 original oil painting out of a gallery.
The same is true of glass.
If the artist adds unique value then the artist will not suffer at the
hands of cheap imports. If the artist doesn't add unique value -- and
most stained glass artists working from pattern books are little more
than cottage manufacturers -- then they are subject to being unseated
by more efficient/cheaper manufacturers.
If you make lamps then there will always be someone making lamps
cheaper. You better know why your lamps are unique and if it comes
down to a technical explanation of technique or process then you've
lost.
- Paul
Kitty
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I disagree with you. That guy buying a crappy assembly line oil painting
from a trunk ---would never be any craftsperson's customer. He is a slug. We
on the other hand --live on the USA economy and must support ourselves on
the USA economy. Therefore we must charge a reasonable price based upon
labor & materials, to make a living on our economy. People seem to forget
that the Chinese have HUGE assembly lines with basically "slave" labor
making things by the millions at a 1/20th or 1/30th of our "cost". That
would be fine if we LIVED on the Chinese economy--we don't. So people who
buy this crap are basically "traitors" and hopefully their livelihood will
be eliminated due to "cheap" imports.
my 2 cents
Kitty
Moonraker
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While the efficencies of the Pacific Rim manufacturers are undeniable, it
seems to me that we ought to looking at "why" they managed to get a foot
hold and have usurped the USA in many areas of commerce.
And it basically goes back to two areas, in my opinion.
First was the Marshall Plan directly after WW2. For some reason, the
American government has forgotten the old adage that "to the victors belong
the spoils". We got attacked, won a long war, and then spent ourselves
deeper into debt rebuilding the losing side. And we continue that stupidity
to this very day.
With an attitude instilled by unions, and winked at by corrupt city and
state governments, the American worker has done less and less work for more
and more money until he basically does virtually nothing for what amounts to
a small weekly fortune, and then expects the company and the government to
maintain that standard of living until he dies. The work ethic in this
country is essentially gone, we have dumbed down our educational systems,
pandering to the lowest common denominator.
We have a Congress that is more worried about whether some overpaid jock
takes steroids than they are about catching Islamics who are trying to kill
us. We have NCAA officials banning team names and symbols from post season
competition rather than worrying about whether the athlete graduates. We
have a government that is more worried about whether some damned owl's
nesting area is disturbed than they are about the thousands of people who
lost their jobs in the lumber industry.
We have a media that worries more about some POW raghead's "rights" than
they celebrate the 25 million Iraqis that are now free to form a democratic
government.
Basically, our priorities are all upside down. The Asian economies are
outworking us, and outhinking us.
Kitty
"Moonraker" <moon...@NOSPAMbellsouth.net> wrote in message
I agree with you in every way. But how can we compete>???? we would have to
drop our economy down to the level of China....average pay of $1.00 per
day!!! fine with me as long as cost of living does the same!
Kitty
neogl...@peak.org
Slaves or prisoners ar ethe ones that build roads and things like that.
Employees of large companies in China actually get paid a decent living
wage...for thier economy. You also have to remember that the Chinese
have been around for a long long time and thier way of thinking and
thier morals are much different than ours and that doesn't mean they
are wrong.
Andy
Javahut
> > outworking us, and outhinking us.
> >
> >
>
>
> I agree with you in every way. But how can we compete>????
We don't compete with them on their playing field, ie the cheap stuff.
Create better quality goods, in both design and technique, and refuse to
repair the imports. It was junk when it was made, and does not deserve my
attention. What do I lose by doing that? a cheeseburger? I should lose
more of those... A potential customer, usually not after I explain why I
won't fix it. They can buy another if they like that costs less than my
repair bill
we would have to
> drop our economy down to the level of China....average pay of $1.00 per
> day!!! fine with me as long as cost of living does the same!
and that is not going to happen, the only thing any of us, individually ,
can do is control our own environment, our own little "community of
creation" of the things we do. If the public consumer doesn't like or can't
afford what we do, we need to change us, or find a different consumer.
Sometimes we need to "go there" and "do this", to make things better for
"us".
Frank in UK
Your government actively encouraged the export of technology
(glass-making) to China and sanctioned payment via contra-trade, ie
exporting of glass back to the US. The development of trade in
finished glass goods (much of it now very good in quality, if not in
originality) is a natural extension of the process as US seeks to get
close to China and its' markets. The low prices are not the product of
slave labour, but rather of the need of China for hard currency. The
makers get paid wages at the going rate in renminbi while China earns
valuable $$$
As far as survival in a changing market goes, the watchword as ever is
"Adapt or die".
goo...@izm.com
>> based upon labor & materials, to make a living
>> on our economy.
If all you are looking to do is mark up the price on labor and
materials then you are correct.
An artist/crafts-person better bring more to the table than that.
Otherwise you are just a one person factory.
That was exactly my point.
There will always be competition. People who whine about it die
hungry, feeling they are the victim of some great injustice.
People who find ways to add unique value and match it with customers
who recognize it succeed.
- Paul
neogl...@peak.org
Your government actively encouraged the export of technology
(glass-making) to China and sanctioned payment via contra-trade, ie
While that may be so, the majority of small businesses in the US did
not support our government in this. Large, overbearing, dominant
corporations shoveled money into the pockets of congressman to get all
this passed.
Andy
Moonraker
> I agree with you in every way. But how can we compete>???? we would have
to
> drop our economy down to the level of China....average pay of $1.00 per
> day!!! fine with me as long as cost of living does the same!
>
> Kitty
>
Hourly rates and costs of living are all relevant.
The house I grew up in was purchased by my parents in the early 1940's. I
was thinking yesterday as I made a bank deposit for a couple days of worth
of checks for my services, the deposit I made was more money than they paid
for that house. I just bought my wife a new Jeep Cherokee that cost more
money than my first house did. I frequently make more money in a single
morning than I made per month in my first job right out of college.
I'm reminded of the situation years ago when the first Jap cars hit our
shores. They were ugly, not particularly powerful, but they were cheap.
Price got them a foot hold, and as the US consumer began to flock to the
lower price cars, Detroit had to match designs, and prices to some extent.
Funny thing, though. The Jap cars now are mostly better products than our
domestics, and sell for the same money. It's curious how "made in Japan"
used to be indicitive of junk. Now, some of the best products in the world
come from there.
Now, the junk manufacturers are some Chinese and definitely all Korean.
Glassman
Talking about extremes almost always works in an argument. Unfortunately
there's alot of customers that fall into the gray area. When the difference
is $1000 with us for great quality or $300 with them for OK quality. If we
work on a 50%-70% markup, and the gray area we're losing is 10-20% we're in
alot of trouble. Bottom line is that we'll never make up those sales again.
Survival of the fittest, quickest to adapt, that's who'll be left in 10
years.
Steve Ackman
> (Quote) A view from the other side of the Atlantic:
> Your government actively encouraged the export of technology
> (glass-making) to China and sanctioned payment via contra-trade, ie
> exporting of glass back to the US. (Unquote)
It's my understanding that if google users click
"show options" and then reply, the attribute is
inserted and quoted text is properly set off with
greater-than signs. Then all you have to do is snip
out the extraneous stuff. Might be easier than the way
you're doing it, and would certainly make it more
obvious who said what.
neogl...@peak.org
Hmmm...I thought I tried that but couldn't get it to work.
Andy
Andy Dingley
>Unlike my blunt , top posting friend.....I believe everyone has a right to
>earn a living doing whatever they want, the marketplace will sort it out.
Well giving the stuff away practically for free and not paying the
overheads on business premises is always a good start.
Then you can try hanging around commercial glass makers, stealing their
designs and bitching about "how much they overcharge".
Yes, it's great fun trying to compete with self-subsidising hobbyists!
Javahut
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Well? OK, bad day? I thought this thread was dead? Nobody likes any of
that...
den...@debrady.com
Korean"
How long until those cars are considered superior to the US made?
Better question! How long until the American people realize (or
accept) that the problem isn't that the Asians are underpaid, but that
Americans (and Canadian) are overpaid. While we're dicking about
building stuff by hand, the Chinese and Koreans (and Taiwanese, and
Indonesians) are using computer controlled robots. I sure hope you
don't believe all those lampshades are cut by hand do you? The
problem isn't that their labour rates are so much lower, it's that our
technology is so far behind.
Wanna piece of valuable investment advice? Short sell the stock in any
and all US automakers.
Moonraker
Reminds me of the stained glass studio owner who won the lottery. When
asked what he thought he'd do with all that money, her replied " Well, I
guess I'll just stay in the glass business until it's all gone."
den...@debrady.com
opportunities for business are greater today then ever before. The
problem for most people is they can't use history as an indicator of
what is likely to work today. Just because it worked yesterday, is no
reason to assume it'll work tomorrow. I think it might be exactly the
opposite. The untravelled path is where entrepreneurs will create the
most profitable ventures. The old roads are congested with dying
tavellers.
I'd guess that in 10 years, half (maybe more) of all the existing
stained glass retailers will be extinct - but they'll have been
replaced by an equal number of new ventures using a dramatically leaner
business plan.
Adapt or die!
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> "Now, the junk manufacturers are some Chinese and definitely all
> Korean"
>
> How long until those cars are considered superior to the US made?
>
Korea's Imitation Automobile. Same argument was made back in the 60's
about the French, British, and Italian cars being superior. Yeah, right.
The POO-joe really made Detroit quiver. A large number of the marques in
Europe are now under US ownership. Jag and Land Rover owned by Ford, for
example. Daimler Chrysler sound familiar?
> Better question! How long until the American people realize (or
> accept) that the problem isn't that the Asians are underpaid, but that
> Americans (and Canadian) are overpaid. While we're dicking about
> building stuff by hand, the Chinese and Koreans (and Taiwanese, and
> Indonesians) are using computer controlled robots. I sure hope you
> don't believe all those lampshades are cut by hand do you? The
> problem isn't that their labour rates are so much lower, it's that our
> technology is so far behind.
Ummm...somehow I don't see the necessity to engineer robotics to make SG
lampshades. Sure, a certain amount will sell every month, but it isn't
like there is this huge market that is not satisfied by current production.
I can't imagine what a robot would cost that could foil pieces of a
lampshade. The ROI would be minisicule.
Those poor Asians just haven't heard about your "turbo soldering" technique
where you can do, what was it, 5 feet of beading in a minute or something?
>
> Wanna piece of valuable investment advice? Short sell the stock in any
> and all US automakers.
Yeah?....that piece of advice is about as valuable as some of your other
marketing ideas.
den...@debrady.com
doubt very much they do it manually. However, there are lots of local
artisans interested enough to pay me to teach them how. Whether it's
classes at Las Vegas Glass Craft Expo or Victorian Glass Art Festival,
my Soldering Clinic classes always sell out.
http://www.glasscampus.com/VGAF/pages/classes/solderingclinic.htm
Dennis Brady
http://glasscampus.com
den...@debrady.com
Glass importing from Dailan as "Gecko" glass, and several different
Chinese glass manufacturers aggressively promoting sales. In
containerload quanitites, a good quality art glass (very similar to
ring mottle) is available for .60/sf US.
Who's responsible for allowing it to happen is irrelevant. The Chinese
dominate international trade and will continue to for a very long time.
You can waste effort fighting and complaining about it, or you can
find ways to take advantage of it. The smartest thing the Chinese
government every did was let the US government "force" them into
floating their currency. The US is already severely dependant on cheap
Chinese imports. Now those imports will cost even more in the US - and
the US dollar will continue it's perpetual downward slide, allowing the
Bank of China to buy up US companies at bargain basement prices.
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think the Asians are too concerned about how fast I solder - I
> doubt very much they do it manually.
Oh, it's manual. No machine could do work that looks that ugly.
You've made assumptions about using technology that just doesn't exist to
produce products that are low volume to start with. Your earlier mention of
a "robot" to cut glass is nonsensical. A water-jet, maybe. The return on
investment to automate the production of a SG lampshade would take "forever"
to just recoup the capital investment vs. the labor savings.
Could automation be done? Probably. But why? The market isn't there to
justify the investment nor is there enough competition to ever think that
saving a few manhours would give one manufacturer a significant advantage
over another.
However, there are lots of local
> artisans interested enough to pay me to teach them how.
Yeah, right. More of your mythical subjects in your fantasyland, King
Dennis?
den...@debrady.com
Victoria to share my fantasy.
http://www.glasscampus.com/VGAF/pages/classes2005.html
I WILL demonstrate "turbo soldering".
You should come visit me at the next Las Vegas GlassCraft Expo. I'm
doing a series of public lectures and could use a heckler to help
sprinkle in a little humorous entertainment.
Dennis Brady
http://www.debrady.com
http://www.victorianartglass.biz
http://www.glasscampus.com
Steve Ackman
> Get serious!!! have you ever DRIVEN a Kia? K-I-A...an acronym for
> Korea's Imitation Automobile.
Have you?
Not only have we driven one, we actually own one; an
'01 Kia Sportage. In the first three months or so, we
had a charging problem. They just replaced battery
and alternator. It also developed some brake noise.
No questions. New rotors and pads.
In the intervening 50K miles or so, not a single
problem... unless you want to count the time we were
offroad and hit a big ol' rock and the right front
tire came unbeaded from the wheel.
Not having complete trust in the brand, we broke
with SOP and bought the extended warranty. I'm happy
to say it's thus far been a complete and utter waste of
money.
When it comes time, we'll certainly consider trading
it in on another.
Moonraker
"Steve Ackman" <st...@SNIP-THIS.twoloonscoffee.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:59:45 -0400, Moonraker wrote:
>
> > Get serious!!! have you ever DRIVEN a Kia? K-I-A...an acronym for
> > Korea's Imitation Automobile.
>
> Have you?
Oh, most definitely.
Before I went into the glass business full time, I was sales manger at a
local C-P-D-J dealership and we had a sister dealership across the parking
lot that peddled KIA. I've driven 'em, sold 'em, and watched LOTS of them
come in on wreckers to the service department.
The conventional auto loan banks wouldn't finance KIAs because of their poor
reliability history. Buyers (no matter what their Beacon score was) had to
go into the secondary loan market for real high interest money because of
the very real risk of loan default as a result of the cars just breaking
down and the owners abandoning them.
>
>
> Not having complete trust in the brand, we broke
> with SOP and bought the extended warranty. I'm happy
> to say it's thus far been a complete and utter waste of
> money.
Tomorrow's another day.
>
> When it comes time, we'll certainly consider trading
> it in on another.
You'd be one in a million.
den...@debrady.com
off the boat from Korea, while GM is slicing prices down to employee
discount, offering zero down and zero percent financing - and still
can't unload their product.
Any surprise GM's bonds are now rated as worthless? Unless somebody
bails them out (Bank of China?) they'll probably follow Studebaker.
howard
Andy"
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Been quiet long enough.............
ME personally, I watched both Bullseye and UROBORUS SHIP CRATES OF GLASS
LABELED FOR CHINA! Think SPECTRUM does it too?
I have survived the "cheap shit" sent from the orient by building a better
lampshade, offering the customer what they wanted (subject to some fine
tuning) and over 25 years been able to carve out a small niche for myself in
HIGH END SHADES and small production panel lamps.........I have taken off a
few months (a slow run down of energy due to 90% clogged arteries and
finally a heart attack and a quadruple bypass)..........I have never had
such a low inventory and it is almost worth retiring and not rebuilding it.
I also have been collecting on an insurance policy I paid into from the 1958
to 1971 CALLED SOCIAL SECURITY and of course the stockmarket!
I too, DO NOT FIX the crap from MEXICO and the ORIENT.......my advice is to
take it back. My clients know quality, can afford it, and I can usually sell
a finished piece to a list of past buyers.
It is very un-likely that the "flea market" and ebay buyers will spring for
an expensive shade ( upwards of $5,000), so I do not seek that market! No
percentage to sell to "poor folk"!
It is hard to compete on the bottom end..........so go for the top, but you
will NEED a product that is worth top dollar.
=====================
We ( the crooks in power) need to tax the crap coming in heavy enough to
encourage going to a small business to get it "made in USA"
anyone will to bet we WILL NOT BE SEEING $8,000 cars from CHINA in the near
future, made from/by technology they have stolen from the rest of the
world.......China does not invent, they COPY!
just a bit of a rant from HOWARD
Moonraker
"howard" <fishfeeder@gmail(dot)com> wrote in message
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.......I have taken off a
> few months (a slow run down of energy due to 90% clogged arteries and
> finally a heart attack and a quadruple bypass)..........
I was wondering earlier today why we hadn't heard from you in a while. Hope
you are doing well in your recovery. Good luck, take good care of
yourself.
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> It's astounding how many of those "mythical" people are coming to
> Victoria to share my fantasy.
> http://www.glasscampus.com/VGAF/pages/classes2005.html
> I WILL demonstrate "turbo soldering".
Ahhhh, geez. Now he's seeing people and hearing voices. There are meds
that can help with those delusions.
>
> You should come visit me at the next Las Vegas GlassCraft Expo. I'm
> doing a series of public lectures and could use a heckler to help
> sprinkle in a little humorous entertainment.
>
Be careful what you ask for.
Michele Blank
den...@debrady.com
alcohol dilluted American version.
den...@debrady.com
The ONLY way US automakers will be able to compete with imports is by
lobbying the government to employ some artificial trade barriers - as
they did for the Mercedes "Smart" car. American consumers are smart
enough to buy Smarts, but they've been outsmarted by the automarkers
who have been able to convince the US government to not let the
American consumers be allowed to excercise those smarts.. Time will
determine how smart that strategy was.
Arguing that the Chinese can't invent is naively self-delusional. They
were inventing things when our ancestors were still trying to figure
out how fire worked.
neogl...@peak.org
You know...if you're disappointed in what we Americans do and how we do
it, why don't you just stay in Canada and take care of your own
country and mind your own business. You don't seem to have a problem
with coming here and taking our money. You don't like our cars, our
beer, probably our food and you
certainly don't like our government. Heck, you don't even like our
glass! Personally you don't have any room to talk. Exactly what is
Canada doing about anything!
Michele Blank
that's why you you feel OK to bash American guvmint wid da one hand and
enjoy the froots of her capitalistic gains in ta odder pocket....hypocrite.
m
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den...@debrady.com
into the toilet and increasing the prices of stuff I sell there.
I'm a big believer in NAFTA. Sell US stuff in Canada, and Canadian
stuff in the US - then sell either/or in UK or Australia.
I'm even selling a fair bit into your neighbourhood. It seems a few
artisans there agree with my opinion that artisans should buy wholesale
and not from retail shops. Here's something that has generated a good
response:
http://www.victorianartglass.biz/specials%20promo/specials.htm
What is Canada doing about anything? Living well - living free -
living liberal. Gay marriage, unrestricted access to abortion, free
medical, and soon to be - legalized pot. Gun control is a nice little
bonus.
Michele Blank
wholesale or other (NOT again) yet you reap the benefits of underselling the
AMerican cost of living by marketing here in rich land but living and buying
in poor mans land.( CANADA) Are you even aware that while you have the
benefits of socialized medicine, we, can not even afford to be seen by an MD
for stitches? do you resort to super glue for a bad slice? NO! you just
amble on down to your local clinic and get stitched for free! So how,
exactly do you qualify the fact that you live large on your Canadian
socialized gov't and ALSO profit form the US giving your pansy ass more
allowances than the US gets! DB. go sell your cheap ass crap in your own
country and get the hell out of mine! m
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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den...@debrady.com
the US. I'm actually helping the US economy but making a personal
contribution to reducing the incredible US trade deficit with Canada.
Everything in this flyer is American made - and being sold in direct
competition to Chinese imports.
http://www.victorianartglass.biz/specials%20promo/specials.htm
If you want to complain about the cost of medical treatment, complain
to your government. You've had plenty of opportunities to establish
universal medical care. Oregon just had a referendum. It failed, but
that's no reason to not try again. Both the Clintons spend
considerable effort trying to create it.
Glassman
WOW I'm moving to Canada.... sounds like the place to be. Wonder how you
would be doing without the strongest country in the free world protecting
you all these years?
neogl...@peak.org
DUCK!!!
den...@debrady.com
den...@debrady.com
we Canadians are defenseless during warm summer months when we can't
collect snowballs, and might think they can then take advantage of us,
I want to assure anyone harbouring (please notice the correct English
spelling) such naive thoughts (why don't Americans leave the U out of
that one?) that we are anything but defenseless. We have a large
(almost inexhaustible) supply of moose turds we can throw.. In
anticipation of an assault from the south (the Americans say it's our
oil they want, but we know it's really our Iowa size marijuana crops
they're trying to grab) our Canadian military has spent considerable
money on testing and research (we gave a coupla guys 2 cases of beer)
to develop a uniquely Canadian high tech delivery system. It works
somewhat similar to a slingshot and has been named WMD (Winging Moose
Droppings). Export versions will soon be made available for sale to
various technologically impoverished nations (Texas?). Dealerships are
available for exclusive territories (that's for the WMD - not the pot).
Jf...@maui.net
That's Victoria free range bud and Moose. Don't bogart that stuff dude!
I'm tired of dancing around with the stars and stripes for those
slingshot hosers up at the border. Swimming across the Rio Grande with
a kilo strapped to my butt was way easier.
Cheech
den...@debrady.com
legalized or decriminalized in Canada. The proposal is to have a $100.
fine for possession (same as for jaywalking). The cops have already
abandoned charging people for small volume possession, and anybody that
can get 2 doctors to sign a form that states pot provides some medical
benefit can already buy, grow, and possess it legally. People with a
grow permit can even designate somebody else to legally grow, carry,
and hold it for them. We already have our government setting up
plantations to grow it for prescription sale.
We provide universal medical coverage, universal access to abortion,
legally authorized gay marriage, and will very soon publicly announce
that pot is no more of a public hazard than alcohol. Make it legal and
tax they hell out of it. Our southern neighbours call it "liberal".
We Canadians call it "enlightened". Prohibiting pot won't work any
better then the attempt to prohibit booze.
So far, the major products Canada sells to the US are oil and
electricity, but we're an enterprising lot and always looking for new
ventures. Lots of Canucks did well from the US prohibition on alcohol.
What do you think will happen when pot is even more widely available
here than it is in the states? Personally, I'm waiting for the
lobby-generated (but totally unscientifically supported) US ban on
lead. I'm gunna make buckets of bucks shipping solder and lead
southbound - even more then I'm shipping now. Gawd I love NAFTA.
Anybody interested in some TERRIFIC prices on pallet lots of lead came?
Jf...@maui.net
anyone "frenchie". Goddam anglo-canuck hoser.
Now Dennis since I have you on the line, and I can't post on the
Warmglass, I have a question about Spirit of Glass. I am in PDX now for
a few months and I would like to stop by there and go through their
stock to pick out some choice sheets. But, I think they only sell
through distributors. So can I go down there and pick out what I want,
and have you drop ship it into my hot little hands?
David Williams
den...@debrady.com
sized orders of fusible glass to UK and Aus.
I'm shipping Oregon-built AIM kilns all over the US (including Alaska)
just about as fast as the factory can build them. I gotta tell you. I
just LOVE IT, when "Andy" and his buddies snivel that Victorian Art
Glass isn't a legitimate wholesaler but a "discount retailer". Every
week we're establishing with another manufacturer to buy direct and
sell to working artisans.
It might piss off lots of retailers, but I'm not the only one that
believes working artisans should be buying at full wholesale and not
restricted to dealing with retail shops.
Interested in a terrific deal on case lots of Bullseye?
Bryan
On 6-Aug-2005, "Kitty" <cowg...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I agree with you in every way. But how can we compete>???? we would have
> to
> drop our economy down to the level of China....average pay of $1.00 per
> day!!! fine with me as long as cost of living does the same!
>
> Kitty
Very easy...taxes...tax the shoddy import into the ground, make the 3rd
world country find some other way to trade....of course, the stained glass
lobby probably isn't big enough to come to the notice of congress....not
enough billions.
Bryan "gotta be a better way" Paschke
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message >
> We provide universal medical coverage, universal access to abortion,
> legally authorized gay marriage, and will very soon publicly announce
> that pot is no more of a public hazard than alcohol. Make it legal and
> tax they hell out of it. Our southern neighbours call it "liberal".
> We Canadians call it "enlightened". Prohibiting pot won't work any
> better then the attempt to prohibit booze.
And you are PROUD of all this?
I'm not sure if you are an idiot or just a very bad troll. Funny thing,
though. I know three different people who know you personally. All three
of them used the same word to describe you.
neogl...@peak.org
case of BE...big deal, I can buy direct from BE at the same price you
are. Heck, i buy lots of stuff from manufactures...big deal. Besides, I
never said working artisans shouldn't be able to buy wholesale...that's
your story. s for shipping Aim kilns as fast as they build them...yeah
right. I'll double check...a good friend of mine works for Aim.
den...@debrady.com
voted for it. Our "social liberalism" is what Canadians believe most
and best defines our society.
I sure hope there's more then just 3 competitors unhappy with me.
Maybe I should be spending more time promoting my businesses?
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> I sure hope there's more then just 3 competitors unhappy with me.
> Maybe I should be spending more time promoting my businesses?
I didn't say they were "competitors". They just could be some of your
former "artisans", eh?
By the way, their one-word description of you was "asshole". One of them
embellished it with "complete".
And , maybe you ought to read the FAQ for this group. Particularly the
part about advertising and blatant self-promotion.
den...@debrady.com
unilaterally when your opponent has nothing left but personal insults.
I was hoping for more of a challenge.
You might also take a moment to read the FAQ.
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> There's a fundamental rule that applies to all debate. You win
> unilaterally when your opponent has nothing left but personal insults.
Uhhhh.... I merely reported what others had to say without adding any
editorial comments of my own. Fair and balanced. No spin.
> I was hoping for more of a challenge.
That sounds like something a troll would say.
> You might also take a moment to read the FAQ.
I'm not the one that is blatantly advertising and self promoting.
Jf...@maui.net
the usenet is a wilderness.
As far as the original subject, I don't use any Bullseye except for
cold laminating. Being an offhand blower I use all 96coe for my blown
and kiln work.This is Spirit of Glass dichroic. Whenever it is possible
I like to go to a coater to see what they have and pick the best stuff
for my use. It works way better than getting whatever comes by post,
which is the usual way for me since my original and primary studio is
on Maui. I moved my second studio to Oregon for just this sort of
reason, to take advantage of supplier proximity and lower operating
costs.
Dennis is a distributor for Spirit of glass, so I thought he might want
the commision/percentage. But they emailed me and said not to worry
about it, just come in.
den...@debrady.com
arguing I'm not a "real" distributor but just a discounting retailer.
I've enjoying letting the delusion ride. You've gone and spoiled
everything for them.
I talked to Gloria at SOG yesterday. Everything is cool. Say hi when
you're there. As a blower, you might be interested in the hot shop
they're building. Her husband Howard teaches. Did you know that AIM
makes a couple of crucible kilns for small scale blowing and casting?
One of these days I'll post a list of all the manufacturers that for
some fool reason think I'm a real distributor. As soon as we finish
reconstructing our wholesale website (just after the Victorian Glass
Art Festival finishes), I'll start advertising as a sponsor on WG.
Let me know when you're set up in Oregon. I'll come visit. We do a
milk run (delivering and picking up) twice a month into Oregon. When
it's my turn (alternate with my sons), I try to take some extra time
and go down the coast. Some of my best sales volume galleries are
there.
Dennis Brady
http://www.debrady.com
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> One of these days I'll post a list of all the manufacturers that for
> some fool reason think I'm a real distributor. >
Surely you could regale us with just a few of them right now? Geez...I'm
an artisan and I need to be buying at the best prices, too. No need to make
us wait until you get through with your Shakespearian festival or whatever
it is.
den...@debrady.com
wholesaler thing" to let it go so readily. If you give me your
address, I'll send you one of our "Artisans Specials" flyers. We do a
monthly promo.
http://www.victorianartglass.biz/specials%20promo/specials.htm
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> I'm having entirely too much fun with this "You're not a real
> wholesaler thing" to let it go so readily. If you give me your
> address, I'll send you one of our "Artisans Specials" flyers. We do a
> monthly promo.
So, basically, you are just a troll?
den...@debrady.com
Offensive
Lame
Trite
Jf...@maui.net
equipment. Plus I have this plastics project going which is going to be
far out. I'm getting pretty heavy into plastics. Blasphemy, I know.
We're in Elsie, which is between Portland and Cannon Beach on hwy 26.
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> Dull
> Offensive
> Lame
> Trite
>
Funny how when you get called on your shit you manage to ignore the truth
and point fingers at someone else.
den...@debrady.com
opportunity to see "turbo soldering" up close and personal.
http://www.glasscampus.com/VGAF/pages/classes/bbq.htm
den...@debrady.com
If you're playing with plastics, talk to Howard Speelman at Spirit of
Glass. He has some interesting equipment for molding plastic for
packaging.
Blasphemy is when someone claims the Chinese made stained glass lamps
are as good or better than anything made here. Mea Culpa.
Supreme blasphemy is when you counsel a stained glass beginner to start
by selling their work as cheaply as they possibly can. Mea Culpa Magna.
Moonraker
<den...@debrady.com> wrote in message
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> Shall I take it you'll not be joining our BBQ? You're missing a great
> opportunity to see "turbo soldering" up close and personal.
> http://www.glasscampus.com/VGAF/pages/classes/bbq.htm
Yeah, Dennis. You can take it that way. You probably don't wanna be around
me when I have a hot soldering iron in hand. I'd cauterize yer hemmorhoids
fer ya. Turbo style.
The bullshit you spread around doesn't float any better than any of those
little toy boats of yours.
To paraphrase an old saying from the educational field:
"Them that can, do.
"Them that can't, teach.
"Them that can't teach, pontificate"
It's pretty obvious what plateau you've reached.
Glassman
">
> "Them that can, do.
>
> "Them that can't, teach.
>
> "Them that can't teach, pontificate"
>
> It's pretty obvious what plateau you've reached.
>
>
>
>
"Them that can, do.
"Them that can't, teach.
"Them that can't teach, teach gym"
Woody Allen
--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
Moonraker
"Glassman" <jksi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> ">
> > "Them that can, do.
> >
> > "Them that can't, teach.
> >
> > "Them that can't teach, pontificate"
> >
> > It's pretty obvious what plateau you've reached.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> "Them that can, do.
> "Them that can't, teach.
> "Them that can't teach, teach gym"
>
> Woody Allen
>
The actual saying I heard was,
"Them that can't teach, administrate."
den...@debrady.com
howard
milk run (delivering and picking up) twice a month into Oregon. When
it's my turn (alternate with my sons), I try to take some extra time
and go down the coast. Some of my best sales volume galleries are
there.
Dennis Brady"
=========================
although I do not need milk from your milk run....
email me when you have an OREGON COAST RUN SET..I live in Waldport, a few
miles south of NEWPORT
Howard
roc...@anonymous.to
> ....and the thoroughly incompetent contribute only complaints.
Yo Denny, ain't seen ya over at WC...wassup? You get banned from there
like you have from just about every other board except yours? You sure
ain't missed that's fer sure.
Cheers!
Delphe
Hi everybody
first, excuse me for my english i don't whrite it perfectly.
I am new in stained glass and also new to this forum. Since i start
reading the messages on this forum it seems that alot of people have to
much free time. i'm wondering if the forum is for collaboration between
glass lovers or if it is just another place to hit people. I am from
the province of Québec and i speak french. I hope i did not understand
well the meening of the word "frenchies" i saw in a message cause if it
supposed to be an insult i don't see why we should be ashamed to speak
another language than english. That said, i hope i will make new
friends here and whish you all a good day.
Delphe :-)
Kitty
"Delphe" <mag...@cooptel.qc.ca> wrote in message
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welcome! I am fairly new too. I have noticed that sometimes we crossover to
political issues ---myself included. But I try to keep it related to stained
glass.....such as the chinese imported trash.......
how long have you been doing stained glass? Myself its been 4 years
Kitty
Glassman
"Delphe" <mag...@cooptel.qc.ca> wrote in message
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ALL message boards at some point have arguments, trolls, and silly
chatter. I would guess that this one is no different. By all means post in
French.
nJb
> Right. Well you can sell us dope and heavy metals but just don't call
> anyone "frenchie". Goddam anglo-canuck hoser.
>
> Now Dennis since I have you on the line, and I can't post on the
> Warmglass, I have a question about Spirit of Glass. I am in PDX now for
> a few months and I would like to stop by there and go through their
> stock to pick out some choice sheets. But, I think they only sell
> through distributors. So can I go down there and pick out what I want,
> and have you drop ship it into my hot little hands?
>
> David Williams
>
I leave for a week and everything changes. Why can't you post on Warmglass?
--
Jack
Plonked by Native American
bobo1148atxmissiondotcom
nJb
If you can get System96 red transparent to my door for under $4.15/sqft,
let me know. I'm in Salt Lake.
Jf...@maui.net
I was banned from the warmglass during the course of the 'Frenchie'
affair. As I told Don, I couldn't even retrieve my private messages
which sucked because I had some business contacts and show info in
there. I asked BW to post my email on the board so people could get
ahold of me, but no dice. Really, I think he had been waiting a long
time for a justifiable excuse. And no one likes an 'ethnic slur'. So,
that's the story.
Jf...@maui.net
shitload you can get it for less than four bucks from nw artglass.