Advice for a beginner glasspainter
diane
I found all the advice helpful....
especially that on www.glasspainting.co.uk
It brings it to life having pics as well as advice.
Thanks very much to you all.
Wolfebas <wolf...@aol.comWolfeBas> wrote in message
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> A bridge can be helpful. It supports the weight of your hand above the
glass
> and can allow freer movement. Practice on scrap. Lines made quickly are
often
> straighter, more definite, and have a life or intergrity that slow, fussy
lines
> lack.
>
> John Bassett
> John and Christina
Bev Carter
<diane....@btinternet.com> writes:
>I've just started glass painting and and am having some trouble gettng my
>lines straight. If anyone could offer some tips or help I'd be very
>grateful.
Hi Diane,
Sundog had some great advice. If you're talking about laying lead lines,
though, I use a couple of things to help me.
First of all, relax your upper arm. Being tense will give your lead lines the
"jaggies." If you rest your forearm on something like a paper towel and let
your arm glide across your work surface, that helps, too. I generally hold the
leading bottle at least an inch or so above the glass surface and let it flow
onto the glass. Also, moving fairly quick helps the line lay down smoother.
Most of all, practice, practice, practice.
I don't have any instructions on my web site, but if you'd like to see some of
my work, see
http://www.homestead.com/bevsart
Good luck,
Bev
Mary
use a ruler and lay one end over the project and holding the other end up
rest the wrist along the edge where it is comfortable. Then begin the trace
line.
MH
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diane <diane....@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> I hope that someone out there will be able to help me.
>
> I've just started glass painting and and am having some trouble gettng my
> lines straight. If anyone could offer some tips or help I'd be very
> grateful.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Diane
>
>
Bert Weiss
>>As a glassman myself i am wondering, every time again, what some people
>mean when they talk about glasspainting. Visiting the websites who offer
>information about paints on glass, i only see that they sell a kind of -
>what i call, a kind of hobbypaint .
>Painting on glass means in my eyes the most beautiful art. The paint is
>madeof a mixture of metaloxides and fine made glass and when you burn this
>in a oven, it goes together with the glass. This paint is normally brown or
>black (depends where you lived in the middle ages)and is brought up in
>different layers of unequal layers. You can make all kind of structures with
>the paint by scratching, wiping, etc. and only that part already is very
>difficult.We paint still as centuries ago. It takes a whole study to
>discover the different structures and burningtimes.I hope that i donot sound
>arrogant but that's the art of glasspainting.
>It has nothing to do with all those new trends of paintings the industrie
>likes to sell and what is of course their privileg.
>I only wanted to say this.
>ja...@jaroglas.demon.nl
Jaro
I sympathize with your feelings about glass painting. I was taught
traditional glass painting as you describe. Today I work with kiln fired
colored enamels, which is a different dimension of the glass painting art.
While I personally prefer kiln fired paints and would only use them in my
work, I will state that I have seen artful paintings done with the oven
350ºF hobby paints.
In the hands of a skilled artist any material might be capable of being
made into "interesting" art. I once went to an exhibition of paintings
made with asphaltum on paper that were sensitive and interesting to me. I
have also seen china paintings by Picasso that ignored traditional painting
concerns and techniques but were fresh and fabulous.
Bert
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db
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> >As a glassman myself i am wondering, every time again, what some people
> mean when they talk about glasspainting. Visiting the websites who offer
> information about paints on glass, i only see that they sell a kind of -
> what i call, a kind of hobbypaint .
> ja...@jaroglas.demon.nl
>
I visited those web sites too. I am unfamiliar with their materials and
techniques, but it looks as if a lot of people are doing this new
glasspainting stuff. I was going to warn Diane (or whoever it was who
originally asked about painting straight lines) that painting straight lines
was the least of her worries, and that she'd eventually confront the problem
of having lines not be evenly opaque, of little blisters where you had to
stop and scratch your nose and then over-paint a bit of line, of vinegar
traces being obliterated inexplicably by mattes, and of my particular demon:
silver stains that decide to glow light yellow on one piece, and
depths-of-hell-orange on a nearly identical piece on the other side of the
kiln. But it is an apparently different craft altogether what they do. As
long as its glass, I guess.
jaroglas
diane <diane....@btinternet.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> I hope that someone out there will be able to help me.
>
> I've just started glass painting and and am having some trouble gettng my
> lines straight. If anyone could offer some tips or help I'd be very
From: diane <diane....@btinternet.com>
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.glass
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 3:53 PM
Subject: Advice for a beginner glasspainter
> I hope that someone out there will be able to help me.
>
> I've just started glass painting and and am having some trouble gettng my
> lines straight. If anyone could offer some tips or help I'd be very
> grateful.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Diane
>
>As a glassman myself i am wondering, every time again, what some people
mean when they talk about glasspainting. Visiting the websites who offer
information about paints on glass, i only see that they sell a kind of -
what i call, a kind of hobbypaint .
Painting on glass means in my eyes the most beautiful art. The paint is
madeof a mixture of metaloxides and fine made glass and when you burn this
in a oven, it goes together with the glass. This paint is normally brown or
black (depends where you lived in the middle ages)and is brought up in
different layers of unequal layers. You can make all kind of structures with
the paint by scratching, wiping, etc. and only that part already is very
difficult.We paint still as centuries ago. It takes a whole study to
discover the different structures and burningtimes.I hope that i donot sound
arrogant but that's the art of glasspainting.
It has nothing to do with all those new trends of paintings the industrie
likes to sell and what is of course their privileg.
I only wanted to say this.
ja...@jaroglas.demon.nl
> grateful.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Diane
>
>
Bev Carter
<ja...@jaro.nl> writes:
>Painting on glass means in my eyes the most beautiful art. The paint is
>madeof a mixture of metaloxides and fine made glass and when you burn this
>in a oven, it goes together with the glass. This paint is normally brown or
>black (depends where you lived in the middle ages)and is brought up in
>different layers of unequal layers. You can make all kind of structures with
>the paint by scratching, wiping, etc. and only that part already is very
>difficult.We paint still as centuries ago. It takes a whole study to
>discover the different structures and burningtimes.I hope that i donot sound
>arrogant but that's the art of glasspainting.
>It has nothing to do with all those new trends of paintings the industrie
>likes to sell and what is of course their privileg.
>I only wanted to say this.
There are as many types of painted glass as there are types of art. Art is in
the eye of the beholder, not of your opinion only. Many of us who use paint on
glass as a medium of our art, do not do it the "old world" way, but that does
not mean we are not creating art. I use a wide vairiety of paints, laquers and
stains, none of which require burning time. Does that mean I am not creating
beautiful pieces of painted glass? I do not use the "old world" way of using
lead came in my stained glass projectes, either. Does that mean I'm also not
creating stained glass projects of beauty? The original way, is not always the
only way.
Bev
bronxelf
>>
>>As a glassman myself i am wondering, every time again, what some people
>mean when they talk about glasspainting. Visiting the websites who offer
>information about paints on glass, i only see that they sell a kind of -
>what i call, a kind of hobbypaint .
What you call "hobbypaint" in its most deprecating sense, is a
valuable medium to many people who paint on glass for a living. It is
not, as you say, the traditional glasspainters art as practiced in the
Renaissance. This makes it no less valuable as a medium.
The traditional art of glasspainting is by no means the*only* art of
glasspainting, nor is it the only "correct" way to do so.
elf.
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jaroglas
medium(computer) so i do my best and I try to answer and telling you a
fraction about my work:
First of all: I am not entitled to judge pieces in any way. I never do and
never will.Also i never attack people in doing their craft: i strongley
supports crafts in every way especially in my country. Secondly: Art is not
defined. I do not know that what i make is art or not. And it really doesn't
interest me. Clients come here after long periods and tell me that they
still enjoy their window or glass object. That's is nice.The only important
thing for me is my work. If the workpiec is finished i seldom go back to see
it again. And in this work I do my part using all kinds of techniques,
newer too,( we have a small atelier) from the beginning to the end with my
friends-collegues. We never make a design twice that's because we have fun
in our job and like to go further after every project to discover other
possibilities. Clients come here and cannot see ready made designs. They
order us to make something and at the moment i see the place i know what to
make there. Then it takes till maybe eight months or longer to work out the
design (in my head) and in one night , I paint it on format. We say to
clients always: you buy an idea and that is a gamble for you. We combine
with other materials and in every project we look very careful to all the
aspects and possibilities: light, kinds of glass, area, leadlines, maybe
paintings etc. It's glass and structures in my body.
You can see on the leadlines in a project if the design is good. No
leadlines? The same applies for pieces of glass. The balance must be good.
I also work ('teach' if you prefer) with students (only a few at a time)
and i try to get things out of them they never realized before . I want them
to discover themselves and feel the glass, make the structures etc. I show
them how they can reach their goal that is not necessary mine. Teaching them
ornaments, not really a subject on a lot of art schools. All these things
make a nice fundament for the really interested women or men for this craft.
And now i come to the original subject: If i am talking about painted glass
i mean that the paint is burned into the glass as it was done centuries ago
and still do today. 'Painted' is just a word. Original it is 'painted
fired'. You can study numerous of glass workers (and your country does them
have too)like Toorop, Campendonk, Nicolas, Thorn Prikker and more (1920),
those men made glasswindows that are at this moment still actual. They also
had works with fired painted glass ( so: using the old techniques ) and that
is in my eyes still the most beautiful techniquw. I know that a lot of
people work with other paints. Do not misunderstand me. I think all kind of
creativity, music, theate, is important. But when i see questions as in
rec.crafts.glass. then i have the feeling that the word 'painted firedglass"
is
misunderstood and is mixed with 'painted glass'
The origin of the original craft fades through uses of other new
materials who have another way of working and we must be careful with mixing
terms.
It must be clear what one means. As i read the answers on a lot
of these questions, then i see that there a lot of really skilfull
glassworkers and in their answers you can feel the old craftsmanship.
I do hope this conversation is ended now.
I wish you all a clear view. Regards Jaro
ja...@jaroglas.demon.nl
Glassart per definition
Bert Weiss
Is NL The Netherlands? I am a big admirer of the work of Joep Nicholas.
What do you think about his glass paintings and designs. His figures are
the most expressive I have seen. His design seems to be the perfect
synthesis between old world style and modern art. I also like his use of
the lead line, including lead lines through faces.
Michele Blank
Michele
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diane <diane....@btinternet.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> I hope that someone out there will be able to help me.
>
> I've just started glass painting and and am having some trouble gettng my
> lines straight. If anyone could offer some tips or help I'd be very
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Diane
>
>
Everything started with you. You could not possibley magine the impact your
question could have.I could not either. I think you got very good answers on
your question from craftsman.
This morning my partner told me there were e-mails on my own e-mail address.
When i looked i was very surprised to see the kind reactions. To all those
people:I like to answer your e-mails personally next week. At this moment i
have to work to finish some things. (itis here 12 noon).Please, do forgive
my english in my e-mails. So Diane, good luck. Try things out and take your
time. Roland Holst made his first windo when he was 60.
Regards, Jaro
Ja...@jaroglas.demon.nl The Netherlands
db
there will be in your life more beauty, more joy and more poetry than in the
tortuous existence of a movie star. So you've got to do it for this motive
alone, because your predisposition fits into a handicraft, which is a
greater art then many more pretentious ways of self-expression" - Joep
Nicolas - Stained Glass Magazine - Fall 1984
"Don't give up your day job till the kids get out of college " - Don Burt -
Usenet - Winter 2000
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