new newsgroup for glass art picture
NO NAME DAD
encountered some objection. I could push a little more, and could eventually
get it, but what the heck.
One proposition that came up and I think make a lot of sense, is to suscribe
and post all picture of our work or scanned image to the news group called:
alt.binaries.crafts.pictures
I am personnal suscribed to this group, and not to many people post things
in there. So all of you who are interested in posting glass art picture,
please do it there, and we will all admire the world of glass art.
I think it would be a good complement to this existing technical and
discussion group.
So I hope to see some of your post in there, and to set the example, i have
posted a few to start the ball rolling.
See you there.
No Name Dad (Marc)
Minshka
I agree that pictures of work is a good idea. Hopefully, some constructive
criticism as well. I too will post some pics to a.b.c.p
Paul E. Mullen Jr.
Artist-Craftsman
Platypus Art Glass
nietz...@hotmail.com
Kelly
NO NAME DAD
I hope this help.
Marc
Minshka
You can get alt.binaries.crafts.pictures at mailandnews.com. There service is
free, just sign up.
On another note, anyone got any idea how to post a picture to this group?
Minshka
I wanted to know how to get a picture posted in alt.rec.crafts.pictures.
Not; alt.rec.crafts.glass.
Kelly
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The Heat Miser
Minshka <min...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> For those that cannot understand my post:
>
> I wanted to know how to get a picture posted in alt.rec.crafts.pictures.
>
> Not; alt.rec.crafts.glass.
Go to alt.binaries.crafts.pictures and go to new post and drag a jpg to your
message, type if you want and send. That's how I posted a few pics.
E
NO NAME DAD
I hope other people do, also.
It woul be great to see glass art picture at one place only, instead of
having to search for websites.
Thanks in advance
Marc
ps. I will be posted more pictures soon. They are picture that I have
either scanned, or taken from the net, but they are not my design. In fact,
they do not have to be.
NoDak
way.
Minshka <min...@aol.com> wrote in message
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NoDak
program you are useing as a viewer. Outlook Express, has an attach file
Icon, just click on it and go to where you have the picture located, it's
very easy.
NO NAME DAD
S/NYC
>
> ps. I will be posted more pictures soon. They are picture that I have
> either scanned, or taken from the net, but they are not my design. In fact,
> they do not have to be.
Actually, they DO have to be.
The fact that you've seen something on the web or in a magazine doesn't
give you the right to repost those images. The photos you see online
and in print are ALL copyrighted. They're someone else's intellectual
property.
And for you to repost them somewhere else without permission, is theft.
S/NYC
The Anthonys
voices to S/NYC's message. Stealing images and re-posting is copyright
violation and it is illegal.
--SB
Steve - RH Linux User
The only way you can legally post such scanned or
downloaded photos is with the owner's permission.
Otherwise you only have the right to post your own
work, or that which is clearly public domain.
If you photograph a work which is old enough that
the work is public domain, say a cathedral, then you
can post the photo (derived work) that YOU took. Only
you have any rights to that photo.
If you see a similar photo in a magazine of the very
same cathedral, it's illegal to copy that unless you get
permission from the owner of the photograph.
Same with web graphics. Same with all artistic creations.
If you don't have permission, and you're not 100% certain
that the work is public domain (or otherwise licensed for
public use), you're infringing on the rights of the owner,
both moral and legal, if you use it.
- Steve
Andrew T
And for you to repost them somewhere else without permission, is theft.
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My understanding and those of an attorney are..you can copy just about
anything if you don't do it for financial gain or to insinuate that YOU
are the creator in order to personal gain and notarity. But hey...the
copywrite laws are for attorney's to figure out. It's always best to at
least give credit to where credit is due.
Mike Firth
>copywrite laws are for attorney's to figure out. It's always best to at
>least give credit to where credit is due.
Well, the last time I said this, I got blasted, but since you are giving
advice, let me please point out that the term is "copyright" the right to
control copies of created work, a hard fought for right. "Copywrite" if it
exists as a separate word, is what a "copywriter" does for advertising copy.
This has little to do with limiting the casual spelling encouraged on the net
(as I was once told) and a lot to do with people who believe that because it is
"copywrite" it only applies to written words and not to pictures or designs,
including glass. Spelling it right at least reminds people of what a right it
is.
Under the law, it is possible to defend ones use of copyright protected
material by making minimal use ("fair use") of a portion of the work and by
citing the copyright owner. Quoting a paragraph from a book or using a picture
from a book to illustrate the nature of the material in the book is one thing
(fair use), while using a copyright protected photograph or drawing as a major
feature of an effort is not (nor is the excuse, "but it promotes the creators
work", which the creator may not have wanted promoted in that way.
Mike Firth, Dallas TX
Hot Glass Bits furnace glass blowing information
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MikeFirth/
NO NAME DAD
guess I was just naive.
I thank you for you advice, and I will try to follow them as much as i can.
Marc
Andrew T
Well, the last time I said this, I got blasted, but since you are giving
advice, let me please point out that the term is "copyright" the right
to control copies of created work, a hard fought for right. "Copywrite"
if it exists as a separate word, is what a "copywriter" does for
advertising copy. This has little to do with limiting the casual
spelling encouraged on the net (as I was once told) and a lot to do with
people who believe that because it is "copywrite" it only applies to
written words and not to pictures or designs, including glass. Spelling
it right at least reminds people of what a right it is.
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Well excuse me for misspelling! You might do yourself some good and go
back a double check all your punctuation and grammer while your at
it...along with every other post that's up thar!
glass
net.... we're all in a hurry and as long as we get the point across in an
understandable manner who cares BUT in this case the spelling is VERY
important. If you mark your work as 'Copywrite 1999 Joe Schmoe' you can
forget about any protection under the law.
JOGHO,
Nancy
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The Anthonys
violation of copyright to publish someone else's work even if it doesn't
say Copyright. or © For full abiltity to be able to sue for damages,
though, you have to register it. Which goes a lot farther than just
saying it's so. Saying it's so mainly gives notice that you are not just
putting it out for the world to steal. It does not create a "more legal"
version of the copyright.
--SB
glass wrote:
<snips>
glass
copyright notice on it that you were putting it in the public domain and
that anyone could then use it for whatever they wanted..... but it doesn't
sound (from your post) like that's true... can you clarify that for me?
Nancy
The Anthonys <pant...@bcpl.net> wrote in message
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The Anthonys
this gets hashed around a lot on the photoshop newsgroup and I have seen
sources for it several times. I have saved links for some of it, and
this is the first I pulled up, though I can probably find others:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html#q2
from the Copyright homepage:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/
here's a PDF file of the copyright law if you care to sort through it:
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/title17/
and you can also get to the forms for registering a copyright from these
pages.
As I understand it, the bottom line is that your work is protected when
it is created. But if you want to sue someone you are not going to have
much clout if you have not registered it.
hth,
--SB
Steve - RH Linux User
> Under the law, it is possible to defend ones use of copyright protected
> material by making minimal use ("fair use") of a portion of the work and by
> citing the copyright owner. Quoting a paragraph from a book or using a picture
> from a book to illustrate the nature of the material in the book is one thing
> (fair use), while using a copyright protected photograph or drawing as a major
> feature of an effort is not (nor is the excuse, "but it promotes the creators
> work", which the creator may not have wanted promoted in that way.
According to a judge who runs a forum at Delphi, any picture is a
complete work in and of itself, and is not covered under the Fair
Use Doctrine, regardless of whether it's included in a book or not.
I urge anyone who wants to know a "little" about copyright to read
Circular 1 - Copyright Basics. It's the overview put out by the
Copyright Office, and can be found, among other places, at
http://people.delphi.com/stackman/copy_bas.txt
--
Steve Ackman
Manager, New Age Forum http://www.delphi.com/newage
Glass Host, Arts & Crafts http://www.delphi.com/crafts
Metamorphosis Glassworks Page http://people.delphi.com/stackman
-- MSN uses Unix -- http://homepages.msn.com/hobbyct/stackman
The Anthonys
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html#wccc
from the "who can claim copyright" section of the table of contents on
the Copyright Basics page
(http://www.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ1.html)
hth,
--SB
Steve - RH Linux User
>
> It was my understanding that if you 'publish' your work and don't put the
> copyright notice on it that you were putting it in the public domain and
> that anyone could then use it for whatever they wanted..... but it doesn't
> sound (from your post) like that's true... can you clarify that for me?
>
> Nancy
Copyright subsists from the moment it's rendered in physical
form. That is, put into or onto some fixed medium. All creations
are copyrighted the moment they're created.
However, as was pointed out in another post, you have to register
any work with the Copyright Office in order to sue under the Act.
The only way anything gets to be public domain is by explicitly
stating so, or by virtue of the creator being dead for a certain number
of years.
Carl or Rebecca Downey
The Anthonys wrote:
>
> actually, your work is copyrighted just by being created. It is
> violation of copyright to publish someone else's work even if it doesn't
> say Copyright. or © For full abiltity to be able to sue for damages,
> though, you have to register it. Which goes a lot farther than just
> saying it's so. Saying it's so mainly gives notice that you are not just
> putting it out for the world to steal. It does not create a "more legal"
> version of the copyright.
>
This may be a stupid guestion but how did you make that copyright
sign(the little c in the box).I am having trouble with 2 different
artist making and selling as their own design my lampworked animal
beads.I have been making them for 5 years and had them copyrighted for
almost 3 years.When I put up my new web site I want to use that little
copyright sign but did not know how to make it.Oh, and by the way both
artist are still making them even after I have ask them repeatedly to
stop.It is very frustrating.
Rebecca Downey
GREAT little BALLS OF FIRE
Unique Lampworked Beads
(small web page at http://www.flash.net/~alckytxn )
new large one coming soon
The Anthonys
(not the numbers across the top of the keyboard). This works for most
fonts. You can find this and more in the character map in accessories in
the start menu.
I don't know the mac solution.
hth,
--SB
Steve - RH Linux User
>
> >
> > This may be a stupid guestion but how did you make that copyright
> > sign(the little c in the box).
However, on web pages, (in HTML) you use the entity, ©
The browser then renders that as the © sign.
Minshka
> rats butt
I believe the proper phrase is
<rats ass
My contribution,
Joseph M. Owens
<pant...@bcpl.net> wrote:
> on PC you hold down the alt key and type 0169 on the numeric keypad
> (not the numbers across the top of the keyboard). This works for most
> fonts. You can find this and more in the character map in accessories in
> the start menu.
> I don't know the mac solution.
>
> hth,
> --SB
>
On a Mac, the copyright symbol is usually gotten by simultaneously
pressing the 'g' and 'option' keys. Some fonts, particularly those
from Microsoft, do it their own way. Check with the KeyCaps application
that came with the machine (usually in the Apple file at the top of the
window) or with a cheap shareware program like PopChar.
Bert Weiss
until I found it at option g.
Bert
In article <221219990024240651%jmo...@erols.com>, "Joseph M. Owens"
<jmo...@erols.com> wrote:
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NHunkele
>Bert Weiss wrote in message ...
>>On my mac I found the © by pressing the option key and various letter keys
>>until I found it at option g.
>>Bert
>>
A mac, Bert? A mac? I thought I was alone in the world. :)
Seriously, I want to thank you and all the others who so willingly answer glass
questions here. I have learned so much!
Happy Holidays to all of you and best wishes for a healthy, happy and
prosperous New Year.
Norma <---off-topic this once but *not* apologizing
Roger Knutson
accessory) called KEYCAPS. This is a keyboard that will show visually
what will be typed when you actuate various keys.
roger (a MAC lover and PC user)