Linux Brewing Software
Happ...@brewmania.org
paper and pencil. Then, I bought Beer Tools Pro and now I am very
spoiled and lazy about calculations. Anyway, I am thinking of making
the move to a Linux operating system. Does anyone know of a program
similar to Beer Tools Pro that works with Linux? I know there are
emulation programs available but I would prefer something that would
run natively. Happy Brewing.
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Eric Haddix
> Until a couple of years ago I did all of my brewing calculations with
> paper and pencil. Then, I bought Beer Tools Pro and now I am very
> spoiled and lazy about calculations. Anyway, I am thinking of making
> the move to a Linux operating system. Does anyone know of a program
> similar to Beer Tools Pro that works with Linux? I know there are
> emulation programs available but I would prefer something that would
> run natively. Happy Brewing.
You asked in JUST the right place.
I found that you can easily run most of the brewing software for Windows
under WINE. If you don't know what WINE is, it's a kinda(but not really)
Windows Emulator for programs. You can install and run the program just
as though you were on a windows machine. It's usually installed on
current distributions and all you have to do, usually, is just click on
the windows .exe just like you would normally and the system will do the
rest.
If you need any help lemme know and I'll see what I can do for ya. Just
so I'll know, what distro of Linux are you using? Ubuntu? Fedora?
something else?
frater mus
> I found that you can easily run most of the brewing software for Windows
> under WINE. If you don't know what WINE is, it's a kinda(but not really)
> Windows Emulator for programs. You can install and run the program just
> as though you were on a windows machine. It's usually installed on
I think that's exactly what he didn't want, but I run Beersmith under
wine on Ubuntu and it works about 90%.
I seem to remember a java brewing calc that should theoretically run
anywhere with a java environment. Strange Brew, maybe?
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Patrick M Geahan
> Until a couple of years ago I did all of my brewing calculations with
> paper and pencil. Then, I bought Beer Tools Pro and now I am very
> spoiled and lazy about calculations. Anyway, I am thinking of making
> the move to a Linux operating system. Does anyone know of a program
> similar to Beer Tools Pro that works with Linux? I know there are
> emulation programs available but I would prefer something that would
> run natively. Happy Brewing.
For stuff like this, I find it best to install a virtual machine
simulator, and run Windows within it.
VMWare Server is completely free; you can install Windows in a
virtual machine within the server, and then install your programs
there.
I do this for the few things that aren't Linux-available; the
software for my remote control, for instance. Provided you
have a copy of Windows to start with, it's free.
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Ben Crowell
> Until a couple of years ago I did all of my brewing calculations with
> paper and pencil. Then, I bought Beer Tools Pro and now I am very
> spoiled and lazy about calculations. Anyway, I am thinking of making
> the move to a Linux operating system. Does anyone know of a program
> similar to Beer Tools Pro that works with Linux? I know there are
> emulation programs available but I would prefer something that would
> run natively. Happy Brewing.
The browser-based recipe calculator at
http://www.tastybrew.com/calculators/ does pretty much everything I
need.
Personally, I run linux, and I feel like it would be kind of pointless
to run linux and then do everything by running windows software
emulated in wine. To me, the big advantage of linux is that it's
the ultimate platform for running open-source applications.
Steve Bonine
> For stuff like this, I find it best to install a virtual machine
> simulator, and run Windows within it.
When you do this, you have to invest some effort to install software,
but you can take advantage of the best product available even if it
doesn't run in your chosen OS environment. I find it to be a better
solution than settling for an inferior product.
dan
>
> Personally, I run linux, and I feel like it would be kind of pointless
> to run linux and then do everything by running windows software
> emulated in wine.
That's like being a vegetarian, and insisting on textured vegetable
protein (TVP) shaped and flavored like meat. :) Also pointless, IMHO.
dan
Steve Bonine
> The browser-based recipe calculator at
> http://www.tastybrew.com/calculators/ does pretty much everything I
> need.
The alternative of using browser-based applications is a good one if
they do what you need.
> Personally, I run linux, and I feel like it would be kind of pointless
> to run linux and then do everything by running windows software
> emulated in wine. To me, the big advantage of linux is that it's
> the ultimate platform for running open-source applications.
No one is suggesting doing _everything_ by running Windoze software.
But occasionally there's a specific product that's only available in
that environment. So you've got two choices -- install an emulator and
run the product in the only environment that supports it, or find
something else. If there is no "something else" or the "something else"
is very inferior, it makes sense to invest the effort to run the best
(or only) product using an emulator.
Andy Davison
> Until a couple of years ago I did all of my brewing calculations with
> paper and pencil. Then, I bought Beer Tools Pro and now I am very
> spoiled and lazy about calculations. Anyway, I am thinking of making
> the move to a Linux operating system. Does anyone know of a program
> similar to Beer Tools Pro that works with Linux? I know there are
> emulation programs available but I would prefer something that would run
> natively. Happy Brewing.
The one I like is StrangeBrew Java which is cross platform being a Java
application so you can try it out in Windows if you want. I found that in
Ubuntu it would create its ini file wherever it is launched from. If you
follow the instructions and launch from a terminal it works fine but I
wanted to use a menu entry to launch the program. This put the ini file
in my /home/user directory but it is easy to overcome by getting the menu
entry to run a script file which you create. I created a text file with 2
lines. The first is cd /home/user/Strangebrew (obviously you set the
exact path to where your Strangebrew directory is) and the second is java
-jar strangebrew_fat.jar. I saved this file as strangebrew.sh and made it
allow executing as a file. This is easy to do. You right click on the
file in the file manager then choose properties. In the permissions tab
you check the execute box. Now in the Menu bit (System>Preferences>Main
Menu) create a new item and set the command in the properties to /home/
user/Strangebrew/strangebrew.sh (set the path to where your
strangebrew.sh is saved) and close. Now when you click on the menu entry
(in my case in accessories) it will run the script file and the ini file
is saved in the right place which is important as you want to use the
same defaults each time.
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NoSpamH...@brewmania.org
thought. I have been playing around with Fedora 11 and Ubuntu 9.04.
Both good. I will go ahead and install Wine and play with that. The
virtual box is a good option too. Will go that way if necessary. I
guess it may be time to blow the dust off those old coding skills and
start a project of my own. Anyway, thanks again.
Eric Haddix
> Personally, I run linux, and I feel like it would be kind of pointless
> to run linux and then do everything by running windows software
> emulated in wine. To me, the big advantage of linux is that it's
> the ultimate platform for running open-source applications.
Do *everything*!?!?!? Aren't you taking that a bit far there? We're
talking about brewing software. There's not much of it for Windows, Mac,
Linux, Irix, CrayOS, Solaris, etc. to begin with. I mean there's, what,
10 programs total?
I could see if you were talking about a text editor, or web browser or
something that has plenty of other implementations, but with the
extremely limited number of brewing apps, I'll take what I can get if
it'll run without me having to boot into another (virtual?) machine.
Besides, the point of Linux is to avoid using windows as an operating
system.
That said, you do realize that there are plenty of closed-source
programs for Linux/BSD, right?
Eric Haddix
> No one is suggesting doing _everything_ by running Windoze software. But
> occasionally there's a specific product that's only available in that
> environment. So you've got two choices -- install an emulator and run
> the product in the only environment that supports it, or find something
> else. If there is no "something else" or the "something else" is very
> inferior, it makes sense to invest the effort to run the best (or only)
> product using an emulator.
THIS!! Seriously, this is exactly the point. It's clear that Windows
isn't going to run native Linux apps any time soon but if Linux can run
Windows native apps without an actual emulator for the operating system
then I see it as open source winning the game, especially since the
whole goal of Linux is to avoid using Windows as an operating system,
not to avoid using closed-source programs.
I mean I don't mind paying a 3rd party developer for his work, but I do
mind paying Micro$loth a single dime. I even requested a refund on Vista
when it came with this machine..I hate them that much.
none
There's a beta called Brewnix...
http://sourceforge.net/projects/brewnix/
QBrew
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Science/QBrew-2557.shtml
Strangebrew (Java based)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/strangebrew/
Nothing that looks polished and professional though.
Andy Davison
Apart from StrangeBrew Java?
Qbrew is OK if you want basic recipe storage but StrangeBrew has a decent
mash manager on top of that. There is also a program called Brewtarget
which is worth looking at and, while not a patch on StrangeBrew in my
opinion, like Qbrew is a decent way of storing recipes and perfectly
adequate for most people.
Ben Crowell
> Ben Crowell wrote:
>> Personally, I run linux, and I feel like it would be kind of pointless
>> to run linux and then do everything by running windows software
>> emulated in wine. To me, the big advantage of linux is that it's
>> the ultimate platform for running open-source applications.
>
> No one is suggesting doing _everything_ by running Windoze software. But
> occasionally there's a specific product that's only available in that
> environment. So you've got two choices -- install an emulator and run
> the product in the only environment that supports it, or find something
> else. If there is no "something else" or the "something else" is very
> inferior, it makes sense to invest the effort to run the best (or only)
> product using an emulator.
I just personally don't have any need for any applications that would
fall into the category you're describing, where running linux means
settling for second best. For me, it's always the other way around.
I get on a Windows box, and it's just constant hassles with not having
software available that I think would be the best available. I keep
saying to myself, "Gawd, this is a hassle. If this was linux, I could
install my usual list of open-source apps in fifteen minutes for zero
dollars, and I'd be on my way."
Ben Crowell
> [...] especially since the
> whole goal of Linux is to avoid using Windows as an operating system,
> not to avoid using closed-source programs.
That may be your goal in using Linux, but it isn't necessarily
everybody's. I've never had a particularly bad experience with
Microsoft. The really horrific experiences I've had with software
companies have been with applications publishers like Adobe ("it's
not our fault that our application crashes and corrupts its files")
and Wolfram ("the application you bought from us will no longer work
now that you've upgraded your OS, and your only option is to buy
a new copy from us"). I can't imagine wanting to go back to paying
money for applications, hassling with copy protection and licensing,
paying for upgrades in hopes that they'll include bug fixes (and
then finding out that they don't)...
It is kind of interesting to see how many linux users we have on
this group. I wouldn't have expected anywhere near this many in
a group this size. Maybe the homebrewer's DIY philosophy
naturally slants the population toward linux, or maybe the
dwindling population of usenet these days is highly atypical
compared to the general population of computer users.
Joel
>It is kind of interesting to see how many linux users we have on
>this group. I wouldn't have expected anywhere near this many in
>a group this size. Maybe the homebrewer's DIY philosophy
Yes...
>...or maybe the
>dwindling population of usenet these days is highly atypical
>compared to the general population of computer users.
...and a big yes.
--
Joel Plutchak
"New opinions are always suspected, and usually opposed, without any
other reason but because they are not already common." - John Locke
stridex
> It is kind of interesting to see how many linux users we have on this
> group. I wouldn't have expected anywhere near this many in a group this
> size. Maybe the homebrewer's DIY philosophy naturally slants the
> population toward linux, or maybe the dwindling population of usenet
> these days is highly atypical compared to the general population of
> computer users.
I would not have thought there would be so many linux users here either.
And you might be right about the slanting toward linux (or maybe just
free and/or open source OS and software) in the homebrew community. In
my case, I want a) the satisfaction of enjoying something I've made; b)
the reduction in cost over time of something superior in quality to what
I could every purchase at the store; c) the control over what goes into
my beer; and most importantly d) that I don't have to depend on someone
else for my beer. That last point exemplifies how I live my life--not
just with respect to brews. I don't like to depend on anyone (including
my government) for anything if I don't have to. I can fix things, debug
things myself, etc. Anyways, I'm going to relax and enjoy a nice
homebrew now... :D
Steve Bonine
> Steve Bonine wrote:
>> Ben Crowell wrote:
>>> Personally, I run linux, and I feel like it would be kind of pointless
>>> to run linux and then do everything by running windows software
>>> emulated in wine. To me, the big advantage of linux is that it's
>>> the ultimate platform for running open-source applications.
>>
>> No one is suggesting doing _everything_ by running Windoze software.
>> But occasionally there's a specific product that's only available in
>> that environment. So you've got two choices -- install an emulator
>> and run the product in the only environment that supports it, or find
>> something else. If there is no "something else" or the "something
>> else" is very inferior, it makes sense to invest the effort to run the
>> best (or only) product using an emulator.
>
> I just personally don't have any need for any applications that would
> fall into the category you're describing, where running linux means
> settling for second best.
Then you're very lucky. There are a number of specialized areas where
the only option is an application that only runs in the Microsoft world.
Companies that provide products for a small niche market cannot
justify ports to other operating systems because there are not enough
users there. And the users have no option either since many of these
products use proprietary techniques that other companies cannot copy.
Brewers are lucky. Compared to other niche markets, it's relatively
large and diverse. Brewers tend to be younger and savvy at computers.
In fact I suspect that most of the software out there was developed by
the folks who use it.
> For me, it's always the other way around.
> I get on a Windows box, and it's just constant hassles with not having
> software available that I think would be the best available. I keep
> saying to myself, "Gawd, this is a hassle. If this was linux, I could
> install my usual list of open-source apps in fifteen minutes for zero
> dollars, and I'd be on my way."
I dislike Microsoft. But life demands that I use it in many cases
because there is no other alternative. For example, if your employer
says "Use this" then you use it. You can fight it, or you can do your
best to accept it and find battles to fight that there's some chance you
might win.
Eric Haddix
> That may be your goal in using Linux, but it isn't necessarily
> everybody's.
No, I said that's the goal of Linux, as in the operating system.
> I can't imagine wanting to go back to paying
> money for applications, hassling with copy protection and licensing,
> paying for upgrades in hopes that they'll include bug fixes (and
> then finding out that they don't)...
You DO realize there are plenty of commercial apps for Linux and that
many are closed-source, right? And they use licensing(hell, ALL of linux
uses a license but I'm guessing you're talking about the mechanism, not
the concept)
I recently had to choose a commercial mail server over open source
because, well, it takes me 30 minutes to configure every single domain I
manage with it as well as to add every user and mailing list but after 3
days I still couldn't get Postfix to do ANYTHING I wanted it to.
Sometimes open source isn't the answer...but Windows is definitely never
the answer.
Ben Crowell
> On 10/14/2009 07:08 PM, Ben Crowell wrote:
>
>> That may be your goal in using Linux, but it isn't necessarily
>> everybody's.
>
>
> No, I said that's the goal of Linux, as in the operating system.
That doesn't make any sense. Linux isn't a person. Linux doesn't have
goals. Hundreds of different people wrote the code that went into
Linux.
> You DO realize there are plenty of commercial apps for Linux and that
> many are closed-source, right?
Yes.
Joel
>Eric Haddix wrote:
>> On 10/14/2009 07:08 PM, Ben Crowell wrote:
>>> That may be your goal in using Linux, but it isn't necessarily
>>> everybody's.
>>
>> No, I said that's the goal of Linux, as in the operating system.
>
>That doesn't make any sense. Linux isn't a person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
Eric Haddix
> Eric Haddix wrote:
>> On 10/14/2009 07:08 PM, Ben Crowell wrote:
>>
>>> That may be your goal in using Linux, but it isn't necessarily
>>> everybody's.
>>
>>
>> No, I said that's the goal of Linux, as in the operating system.
>
> That doesn't make any sense. Linux isn't a person. Linux doesn't have
> goals. Hundreds of different people wrote the code that went into
> Linux.
Are we REALLY going to get pedantic here?
Eric Haddix
> Ben Crowell<crow...@lightSPAMandISmatterEVIL.com> wrote:
>> Eric Haddix wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2009 07:08 PM, Ben Crowell wrote:
>>>> That may be your goal in using Linux, but it isn't necessarily
>>>> everybody's.
>>>
>>> No, I said that's the goal of Linux, as in the operating system.
>>
>> That doesn't make any sense. Linux isn't a person.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
Thanks. I actually was avoiding stating the obvious but it seems someone
else thought it was necessary as well.
Scott Alfter
Ben Crowell <crow...@lightSPAMandISmatterEVIL.com> wrote:
>It is kind of interesting to see how many linux users we have on
>this group. I wouldn't have expected anywhere near this many in
>a group this size. Maybe the homebrewer's DIY philosophy
>naturally slants the population toward linux, or maybe the
>dwindling population of usenet these days is highly atypical
>compared to the general population of computer users.
I suspect it's the latter. Most of us in here have probably been here for
years; I got my first access back in 1989, when I headed off to college to
pursue a computer-engineering degree (ended up graduating in computer
science instead, but that's another story). The newsreader I use, trn, was
last updated in 2001. It gets the job done, though, and I've been using it
(and its predecessor) probably since '89 or '90, with occasional detours
through other newsreaders (including Outlook Express and Thunderbird).
(FWIW, I run ProMash on both Linux and Windows, depending mainly on which
computer I'm using and what's running on it at the time. (Most of my
computers run Linux only, but I have a couple that dual-boot Linux and
Windows.) ProMash runs pretty well under reasonably current versions of
Wine. I have it and its data files checked into Subversion so I can keep
multiple copies up-to-date...could just run it from a network share, but
then I wouldn't have access to it on my notebook when I'm away from home.)
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Eric Haddix
> I have it and its data files checked into Subversion so I can keep
> multiple copies up-to-date...could just run it from a network share, but
> then I wouldn't have access to it on my notebook when I'm away from home.)
Couldn't you use rsync or the like to keep it accessible on the
notebook? Just schedule a sync with your notebook once a day or so and
you should be good to go whenever you leave.
Ben Crowell
> Ben Crowell <crow...@lightSPAMandISmatterEVIL.com> wrote:
>> Eric Haddix wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2009 07:08 PM, Ben Crowell wrote:
>>>> That may be your goal in using Linux, but it isn't necessarily
>>>> everybody's.
>>> No, I said that's the goal of Linux, as in the operating system.
>> That doesn't make any sense. Linux isn't a person.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
Linus Torvalds is just one of hundreds of people who collaborated
on Linux.
Scott Alfter
That assumes that I keep it running all the time.
That said, I'm sure there's more than one way to do what I'm doing. I
already had a Subversion repository set up for other purposes. It also lets
me pull out an older version of a recipe if I should need it, which is
something that simple file copying won't do.
Eric Haddix
> Linus Torvalds is just one of hundreds of people who collaborated
> on Linux.
Ahem, if you'd have bothered reading instead of thinking up your next
act to save face you'd have read this in that wiki article. Note the
last sentence...
"About 2% of the Linux kernel as of 2006 was written by Torvalds
himself.[15] Since Linux has had thousands of contributors, such a
percentage represents a significant personal contribution to the overall
amount of code. Torvalds remains the ultimate authority on what new code
is incorporated into the standard Linux kernel.[20]"
Eric Haddix
> Joel<plut...@see.headers> wrote:
>>> That doesn't make any sense. Linux isn't a person.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
>
From that very wiki article..
"About 2% of the Linux kernel as of 2006 was written by Torvalds
himself.[15] Since Linux has had thousands of contributors, such a
percentage represents a significant personal contribution to the overall
amount of code. Torvalds remains the ultimate authority on what new code
is incorporated into the standard Linux kernel.[20]"
It also states that he owns the Linux trademark.
Mr_Beer
> I appreciate all the input on this subject. Pretty much what I
> thought. I have been playing around with Fedora 11 and Ubuntu 9.04.
> Both good. I will go ahead and install Wine and play with that. The
> virtual box is a good option too. Will go that way if necessary. I
> guess it may be time to blow the dust off those old coding skills and
> start a project of my own. Anyway, thanks again.
Surprised no one mentioned QBrew. http://freshmeat.net/projects/qbrew/
Mr. Beer
NoSpamH...@brewmania.org
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:35:30 -0700, Mr_Beer <green...@spam.com>
wrote:
Lafe
> Until a couple of years ago I did all of my brewing calculations with
> paper and pencil. Then, I bought Beer Tools Pro and now I am very
> spoiled and lazy about calculations. Anyway, I am thinking of making
> the move to a Linux operating system. Does anyone know of a program
> similar to Beer Tools Pro that works with Linux? I know there are
> emulation programs available but I would prefer something that would
> run natively. Happy Brewing.
Unfortunately, I don't have any suggestions that run natively, but I can
tell you that I run ProMash flawlessly under Wine. It does everything I
need.
Good luck!
Eric Haddix
> The statement was "linux isn't a person" and the response was a
> wikipedia linke to Linus. The latter doesn't disprove the original
> statement.
Pedantic much?
Eric Haddix
> Eric Haddix<bur...@removeallcapssttddiioooo.com> wrote:
>>> The statement was "linux isn't a person" and the response was a
>>> wikipedia linke to Linus. The latter doesn't disprove the original
>>> statement.
>> Pedantic much?
>
> that reason
Yeah, if you say so..it's obvious you need to be right about some small
thing...however stupid it may be.
Elder
the cited author.]
In article <t4SdnfWRy_irnXPX...@supernews.com>,
bur...@REMOVEALLCAPSsTtDdIiOOOo.com says...
Are you familiar with Linux at all? That is training wheel pedantry
compared to some of the holy wars.
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Eric Haddix
> Are you familiar with Linux at all? That is training wheel pedantry
> compared to some of the holy wars.
Oh yes, been using it off and on since the mid 90's, and you are
probably correct. I also frequent slashdot where no topic seems safe
from said pedantry.
Steve Bonine
But this is rec.crafts.brewing, where pedantry is expressed in such
religious issues as to whether a starter is required, whether glass or
plastic provides a better fermenting environment, the intricacies of how
to extract the last molecule of sugar from grain, and how many photons
it takes to skunk a beer.
Ben Crowell
Is that pedantry, or geekery??? I guess there's a fine line...
Steve Bonine
Good point. And now we've veered off into semantics . . .
"Linux Brewing Software". The thread that wouldn't die.
Joel
>But this is rec.crafts.brewing, where pedantry is expressed in such
>religious issues as to whether a starter is required, whether glass or
>plastic provides a better fermenting environment, the intricacies of how
>to extract the last molecule of sugar from grain, and how many photons
>it takes to skunk a beer.
You forgot to mention HSA.
T.J. Higgins
>Ben Crowell wrote:
>>
>> Is that pedantry, or geekery??? I guess there's a fine line...
>
>Good point. And now we've veered off into semantics . . .
>
>"Linux Brewing Software". The thread that wouldn't die.
Just how does one brew Linux, anyway? :^)
--
TJH
TARogue
>In article <7limnaF...@mid.individual.net>, Steve Bonine wrote:
>>Ben Crowell wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that pedantry, or geekery??? I guess there's a fine line...
>>
>>Good point. And now we've veered off into semantics . . .
>>
>>"Linux Brewing Software". The thread that wouldn't die.
>
>Just how does one brew Linux, anyway? :^)
>
one from a distribution. Build each utility yourself. You'll need a
binary of gcc to start, but after that you can custom build your entire
system to your exact hardware.
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/installation/49488-make-homebrew-linux.html
--
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"So I hated life, because what is done under the sun was grievous
to me; for all is vanity and a chasing after wind." Ecclesiastes 2:17
Steve Bonine
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:30:23 -0600, T.J. Higgins wrote:
>> Just how does one brew Linux, anyway? :^)
>>
> Download and build the kernel yourself, rather than using a prepackaged
> one from a distribution. Build each utility yourself. You'll need a
> binary of gcc to start, but after that you can custom build your entire
> system to your exact hardware.
Is it triple hopped?
hophead
says...
> Steve Bonine <s...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >But this is rec.crafts.brewing, where pedantry is expressed in such
> >religious issues as to whether a starter is required, whether glass or
> >plastic provides a better fermenting environment, the intricacies of how
> >to extract the last molecule of sugar from grain, and how many photons
> >it takes to skunk a beer.
>
> You forgot to mention HSA.
And it's sister topic: sulphiiting the mash ;-)
and let's not forget the whole aluminum/alzheimers connection, and the
Great Mill Wars of yesteryear.
Brian Lundeen
"hophead" <al...@dev.nul> wrote in message
news:MPG.255e4f8ce...@news.giganews.com...
Oh hell, if we're going to take a trip down memory lane...
Liquid vs dry yeast, maximum alcohol you can get from beer yeasts, the real
identity of Mister Giggles, and of course, the big one...
Lynne O'Connor: Saint or Anti-Christ? ;-)
Brian
Ben Crowell
> In article <7limnaF...@mid.individual.net>, Steve Bonine wrote:
>> Ben Crowell wrote:
>>> Is that pedantry, or geekery??? I guess there's a fine line...
>> Good point. And now we've veered off into semantics . . .
>>
>> "Linux Brewing Software". The thread that wouldn't die.
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> Just how does one brew Linux, anyway? :^)
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Linux is homebrewing, and homebrewing is Linux.
Patrick M Geahan
> Just how does one brew Linux, anyway? :^)
The Gentoo distribution. Like beer brewing, it's about deciding
how much effort you want to put into it; Gentoo is quite complex
and time-consuming, but can produce amazing results; other
distributions, like Ubuntu, produce great results with less effort.
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> Oh hell, if we're going to take a trip down memory lane...
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> Liquid vs dry yeast, maximum alcohol you can get from beer yeasts, the real
> identity of Mister Giggles, and of course, the big one...
>
> Lynne O'Connor: Saint or Anti-Christ? ;-)
Ha! You had to bring THAT up didn't you, you old Terrorist you ;-)
Denny Conn
> Oh hell, if we're going to take a trip down memory lane...
>
> Liquid vs dry yeast, maximum alcohol you can get from beer yeasts, the real
> identity of Mister Giggles, and of course, the big one...
>
> Lynne O'Connor: Saint or Anti-Christ? ;-)
AND....calibrate your thermometer!
----------->Denny
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