Life's a Peach Gallery
Trish Little
popping up to post a message. I was wondering if any of you folks could
help me with a problem.
I have been trying to retrieve consigned work from Lora Andersen, who owns
Life's a Peach Gallery in Oak Ridge, TN, since early February. I'll give you
a quick run-down of my efforts thus far.
The first time I e-mailed her and asked her to send my merchandise back to
me (Feb. 8), she responded that she would do so the first week of March, as
she was terribly busy. I responded that I was completely happy with that,
and would even pay her mailing costs. I also gave her my mailing address,
just in case she had lost it.
The first week of March came & went. I e-mailed Lora again, around the end
of March, asking for an update regarding my merchandise (offering again to
pay for postage, and giving her my mailing address). No response. I
e-mailed her again last week, this time telling her I was getting a little
nervous, etc.... Once again, no response. I personally know of at least two
other people who have told me this also happened to them.
I am wondering if any of her friends who regularly read this newsgroup could
tell me if something has happened with Lora's gallery, or with Lora
personally. I have enjoyed dealing with her over this last year, even though
I haven't sold much through her. Up until these most recent events, she has
always been very responsive and helpful.
I am not trying to hurt Lora's reputation. Very honestly, I am only trying
to retrieve my merchandise from her. I live in Montana, and simply cannot
afford to travel to Tennessee to get it back. I have always dealt very
honestly and politely with Lora, and I'm puzzled and saddened by this sudden
turn of events.
I know I took a chance consigning my merchandise with a complete stranger,
so please don't lecture me about that. And please do not accuse me of
slander -- what I have related to you here is the unembellished truth. I'm
not looking to get flamed by Lora's defenders - I don't like 'anonymous
internet horror stories' either. Rather, I am hoping they will relay this
message to her and let her know that I'm trying to get in touch with her,
since my own most recent efforts have failed. Also, I realize Lora is VERY
busy and probably a bit over-extended. However, I think by now she has had
enough time to put my merchandise (jewelry & loose lampworked beads) in a
box and return it to me.
Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer. Trish Little
Marilee J. Layman
<tli...@montana.edu> wrote:
>Hi Everyone: I've been lurking in this group for years, and occasionally
>popping up to post a message. I was wondering if any of you folks could
>help me with a problem.
>
>I have been trying to retrieve consigned work from Lora Andersen, who owns
>Life's a Peach Gallery in Oak Ridge, TN, since early February. I'll give you
>a quick run-down of my efforts thus far.
You're the fourth person I've heard of with this problem. You might
want to contact the Oak Ridge police.
--
Marilee J. Layman
Bali Sterling Beads at Wholesale Prices, Retail Quantities
http://users.erols.com/mjlayman/balibead.htm
BeckiBead
out of her for what she had sold, but retrieving my unsold work has also proved
impossible for me. I even had my lawyers contact her; no work has been
returned.
I am beside myself and very, very unhappy.
Becki
BeckiBead
least she used to. Her husband works the door. That is where I met her in
person, even though I knew her from online long before that. This is IN NO WAY
meant to cut on the IBS shows; I have sold there and love them all, dearly.
However, IBS is coming to Ohio, both to Cleveland and to Cincinnati and if all
else fails, I will be there to snatch my stuff off her table. I can't imagine
that she would have the balls to bring my own work that she refuses to return
to Ohio, but I know she had it at the show in Atlanta. Because my customers
told me they saw it there.
Check the schedule at www.beadshows.com to see if she is coming anywhere near
you in the future.
Again, I am NOT cutting on or condeming the IBS shows in any way. They have
GREAT beads and good prices and I will shop there again. It is just where I
met her and gave her my work, and it looks like that is where I will have to go
to get it back.
Becki
GlassOrchid
about this?
Maybe they would help you get your work back AND it wouldn't hurt to let
them know what kind of person they have in their midst. It's not slander
when it's the truth.
Nancy
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BeckiBead
>about this?
Nancy -- I thought about this, and it just doesn't feel right. It is not the
show organizers fault that they have a vendor who runs her business in a shoddy
manner. The pieces were for the gallery, even though she also sells them at
the bead shows. I am sure they know, because the read this board regularly.
This I know because the other vendors used to regularly quote back to me stuff
I have said here, LOL.
Becki
Trish Little
Peach. I just wanted to update you on how I have been handling this.
I reported my experience with her to the Oak Ridge Police, and also to the
Better Business Bureau. I'm not really sure the police will have any
jurisdiction, but at least there will be something on record. If any of you
are interested in reporting her to the Better Business Bureau, go to
http://216.46.242.4/complaints/company.asp
You will find information there on filing a complaint, and a form which you
can fill out and submit via the internet. I think it is extremely important
that everyone who has been defrauded by Lora file a complaint with the BBB,
so that others thinking of consigning with her will be forewarned if they
check her business out with the BBB first.
I would imagine that her crimes could be considered federal offenses, since
she has conducted business over state lines, and via the U.S. mail. Those of
us who have consigned with her and failed to have our merchandise returned
to us upon request should not take this lightly.
Best of luck to those of you who are still trying to retrieve your
merchandise. I feel we have all learned a cruel lesson. What Lora has done
to all of us certainly does NOT reaffirm my belief in the dignity and honor
of humanity. Take care. Trish
GlassOrchid
noted, it crosses state lines. It's worth a phone call anyway.... and what
about the DA in the area she lives.... turn up the heat and make her life as
miserable as possible...turnaround is fair plan, n'est pas?
Nancy
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BeckiBead
Becki
rainbow
rainbow
mad as hell and pushed the wrong button
Hey are we talking Oak Ridge Tennessee /??
I lived in Tennessee for 8 years ..... did my 1st craft shows there ...
I know it's childish but i want to make all kinds of rude hick jokes
...
Someone of you should call the Tennessee Artists and Craftsmen's
Association to see if they can help also the Tennessee Arts comission .
They might be able to help you in some way you haven't thought of . If
she is marketing thru either org. yu can let them know.
You might also call the consumer affairsoffice in Nashville and the TV
stations and the newspapers .......
Also, to Beki ... my heart and soulare in every piece of my work too
... if she is inded reading this she know how you fell and whatyou are
thinking of doing to her. If you confron her in public, bring a lawyer
or mediator or cop. You don'twant to get yourself in trouble or start a
cat war i public. YOU as an artist need to hold on to your dignity and
be as professional as possible. Others will be watching, maybe future
clients. Be politer than she is and be nice, 'cause after you leave
she'll tear you apart with the other vendors ad this is the only way to
defend herself. You'll come out the loser and the sour puss on this one
.. I don't kow you but i empathize and i want you to win ..... hold
your head up on this one honey even if you want to
do elsewise ... we already have a nasty mail campaign goig and it will
already be fueling her fire ..... if she is reading this likeyou all say
she is she kows how everyone feels ... isn't it time to be a real person
and just giveeverything back.
If you are poor and have money problems, so do we all , and this dear
lora is stealin ....
rainbow
rainbow
all understand how i feel.
I would not promote lynching anyone, but this is a subject ultra close
to my heart. This is bad ...
Both sides have a story and none of us knows hers. That doesn/t make
what she did right ....
I don't think we should chop off her head, but i think that something
needs to be done ......
I am a very nice lady who has been ripped off
but not by her .... I know what this is like .
not to accuse but to demonstrate failure on both parts, the safest way
to consign is to be near your stuff and know the seller well ... aren't
there any magazines or orgs. that keep control of this ? And is your
contract with her binding, witnessed , notarized, etc. did you have
references , etc. Yhe state attorney generals office in tennessee might
like to hear this .
I hate to play devil's advocate, but does anyone know if she has a
business license ? call that bureau and complain. She hve a tax i.d. #
? Find out ... did she file her income taxes ? oooh .... the I R S is
not friendly to people wo don't . I am not telling you to go on a smear
campain i am just stating some avenues to try;
and if you find out negative stuff at least you'll know who and what you
are dealing with.
Since she won't communicate she will have to expect that someone is
going to start doing something to make her ......
If she has had a problem, maybe a close friend or family member coould
gather the stuff up and mail it back or if she is going to actually be
still traveling into your area, she could have a mediator meet with you
and return it. If she does nothing and stays incommunicato she deserves
to be taken down.
No part of this is a threat to her, bt as i saidwe are all just a
bunch of folks trying to pay ours bills .
rbl...@sunlink.net
back. I don't think she liked my work, she sent everything back last
summer when I requested the return of 2 pieces for a contest. (Becki
you know what my work is like). I was always a bit worried since she
never signed and sent the inventory sheet she promised.
I was wondering since there seems to be several people in the same
situation whether Lora overextended herself with the Bead Retreat. I
know it didn't come out as popular as she planned. If she had to put
lots down for the place and stuff, she might not have made enough to
cover costs. If someone is in the area maybe they could check if the
gallery is still open?
Rita
rainbow
issue. zthat's her problem. If that sounds harsh, look at what has
happened. If she didn't have the means to be in business or have a good
plan to geton her feet, or if she just failed she needs to saythat. She
has to eat and live too and surley she has enought money to do that and
i feel like she surely musthavethe money to do so and if she doesn't
then you could all send prepaid mailers to her. Also when you didn't get
the inventory sheet back that'd been a clue to me that she might not be
a good business person.
Why doesn't she just say she screwed up and let it go ?
Nightowl
all avoid bad entanglements is to spread the
word about such bad experiences. No body
should feel that they can maintain their
reputatons in the business if they make a
practice of violating business ethics.
My trade, jewelery, is quick to shun anyone
who pulls that.. Show sponsors need to
be a part of the network that participates in
what would be called "self policeing".
Northstar
BeckiBead
>you know what my work is like
Gorgeous. Why don't you post a link so everyone can see?
Becki
rbl...@sunlink.net
Thanks for the compliment. I started updating my site, but had to
stop because I'm working on a large piece for an art show. I only
have 3 weeks to finish it.
If anyone is interested it's
Http://www.angelfire.com/biz/RedEarthGifts
I only have the necklaces and Amulet bags up so far.
Rita
GlassOrchid
work but I think I'm getting inspired by a few of you!
One thing about the site Rita, and maybe it's only me, but the titles in the
pink boxes are kind of hard for me to read. I'm not sure if it's the font or
the way you saved them but they look kind of blurry to me. I've got my
monitor set to 1024 x 768 True Color 32 bit... if that helps at all.
Good luck with your the piece for the art show!!
Best,
Nancy
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showed aqua over pink and seemed blurry. Also went first to the Lola
necklace and then to the green one but since they were on the same page I
thought I was screwing up until on the third try I scrolled. Duh! Jast a
few thoughts as you compose your page.
Can't wait to see more of your beautiful work.
Susan
mi...@miko.com
I didn't want to post but do to all the problems posted with Lora
Anderson and Life's a Peach I feel I must.
I was hired to teach at the Bead Retreat 2000. It was put on my Lora.
It was the worst event I have ever been involved with. Several of the
other teachers and I have been wondering if we should come out with the
truth about this event. I feel both Students and Teachers where taken
to the cleaners on this one.
The two main teachers on this Retreat, Myself and Jacque Owens where
paid with bad checks. It took quite some time but I have been paid all
but $30.00, I am unsure if Jacque has been paid in full yet. This event
happened in February.
At the last minute we where told we would have to pay our own travel
expenses,(I came from California)and that all the payment arrangements
had changed. One Instructor came from Canada to find she only had one
student. Yes, I take on the fact that I agreed to these terms. Stupid
me, I hate to disappoint anyone, especially my students.
The students where charged $750.00 for shared lodging and 3 days of
classes. It doesn't sound bad until you hear that we were all asked to
share a double bed with a stranger. We checked on the lodging costs and
found out that each person in a cabin paid the full cost of one nights
lodging on the three bedroom cabin. Six people in one cabin. Pretty
good profit on that. The gourmet food with horrible and it just gets
worst. I will not nit pick.
I did have a wonderful time. My students where wonderful. The best
group I have ever had the honor of working with, I loved the other
instructors. I felt I have made lifelong friends. I guess in the long
run it was worth it.
But I will never deal with Lora Anderson again. She is the type that
always has an excuse for her bahavior. It's always some one else's
fault.
I post this because my friend, a wonderful bead maker named Larry
Brickmen have bad dealings with her and didn't know if he should tell me
about the bad checks or horrible dealings he had. I wish he would have.
(I write this with his permission)
She plans to do Bead Retreat 2001. This is one event I would miss, both
as a teacher and a student.
Are there any students who would be willing to post there experience?
It is unfair for someone to act so improper in business. It is illegal
to write bad checks or refuse to return goods. Contact a lawyer or the
Oakrigde Police.
I am sad to post this but feel it is my duty as a person.
I send love,
Paula
Paula Marie Walter
pwa...@earthlink.net
(408) 275-1405
Ann A. McGrath
> I only have the necklaces and Amulet bags up so far.
> Rita
Rita, your work is very impressive! She's right, the Lola necklace is
amazing! Thanks for posting the URL.
Only problem I had was reading the script on the pink buttons. I just
tried them all. The stuff that came up for nonexistent pages was Really
Funny, "Aliens have abducted this page" indeed. LOL!
Hmm, Dutch Spiral... new thing to try, must find directions. Now look
what you've done, Rita! *vbg* As if I don't have too much to do in too
few hours already. *smiles and shakes her head*
--
Ann A. McGrath
aamcgrath (at) fast (dot) net
Magpie's Nest
Easton, PA
daBEADlady
news.mwt.net
Peach site early on and thought "oh,wow! Would I love to go to that place
and do a bead retreat". I figured it would be very nice, kind of a luxury,
learning vacation. I would now not even consider going, so thanks for the
warning. That's what is so cool about this new method of communicating. It
let's us all help each other out, which I think is wonderful. I have
learned so much from this network of beading buddies(tee hee) I look
forward to checking it out every day. Thanks.
Bead on Brother!!!!!
Kathy
Heart & Soul Handcrafted Jewelry, Wisconsin
P.S., Paula, I just got your brochure, you make absolutely beautiful beads.
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rainbow
Everyone sit up and listen to me. I am a damned nice lady. I have a
reputation for being a caring sharing person . I am an old hippie and
generally a peace maker. this thing touched me
becausre it has happened to me. I fel deeply sorry for al the trouble
this has caused. but surely you must all of you reaize nowthat a number
of suggestions have been laid out ...
if you are a victim i suggest you find a way to resolve your problem
with her .....and whatever she is supposed to have done ....
You know what ? We are all of us small business people. we are not
stupid and we are not chumps .... sometimes i think we give too much to
the wrong people or we fall into the shark pool . We all struggle and we
work damned hard o get paid for our art, pay our bills, etc. Feeding
our faces some days requires balancing cash, paying our rent and our
medical bills is even worse. We have to rely on the fact that most
people arehonest and thank God they are ....
For me, doing a piece start to finish is a costly
and time consuming but much loved job. Seeing someone walk out of my
booth with a beautiful piece ata nice price is great, and i worship the
atmosphere of any craft event. there is nothing like i on the planet.
The interaction sharing caring and teaching and LEARNING is so rich,
with me it is almost physical satisfction. I do this because i
love it.
To sit at my desk and create something that will make someone smile is
my greatest delight
and my greatest fear is that i will be ignored , misunderstood and
ripped off ....
I have met Many wonderful and unique people
andhad a great time doing it and something like this is rotten.... I
have a feeling it has happened to others from other sources ... that's
sad ...
Aren't you glad it doesn't happen more .....
Hey if i had to pay for all my very expensive eye surgeries by wy of
something like this i'd be out of luck ..
I say two things further ... "everything's a chance " & " it's a long
road and a little wheel and it's takes a lot of turns to get there"
rainbow
BeckiBead
>what you've done, Rita!
I commissioned Rita to do a dutch spiral for me, just ran across the scan of it
the other day. Will post it when I get a chance.
Becki
rbl...@sunlink.net
A scan of it is up on my page already. If you get a chance go look at
the Lola in love. Carol saw yours and wanted a Dutch Spiral for her
Lola. I had a real tough time letting go of that one to return it to
her. Actually it was me in love with Lola. LOL
BTW , Yes I know of the problem with the buttons. They looked fine
when I made them and worked up the page on my computer. That is the
first on the list when I get the time and energy to work on my site.
Rita
sandra white
crisp, new $20 bill or sumpfin. I applied to teach at Gatlinburg and
then prior committments forced me to stay in Denver and drop out of the
running. I was very interested in teaching a new variation of Dutch
spiral I believe I have developed and didn't have the money to come out
with a book at the time. So, it seems by the grace of God, I didn't
pursue the event. Funny though, all the time my hubby, the eternal
skeptic, was urging me not to get involved. He didn't like anything
about it, contract, terms, the fact that it was a brand new show with no
track record, etc. All this info has layed very heavily on me when I
heard that it was such a disaster. I may have a little shop but, believe
me, I could have ill afforded the loss.
I'm soooooo sorry for anyone who got burned on this event. ((((hugs all
the strugling, hard working, honest beaders)))))
Sandy White
Be Jeweled
http://bejeweled.virtualave.net
Home of the Weird Bead Newsletter
Mary Shafer
> Hmm, Dutch Spiral... new thing to try, must find directions.
This is the common name, used to avoid giving the actual originator
credit, for the technique presented by Ginneke Root in her little book
printed in the US by Lacis. I've never been able to remember the
title (see below). The translation from Dutch to English is a little
shaky, but anyone with a bit of experience won't have any trouble.
Lovely designs, good line drawings to show techniques, great color
photos. The usual Lacis high quality that we all know and respect.
I've managed to end up with two copies (confused the title with
another book to buy the second copy) and am willing to sell one for
list price plus half the postage. Each copy is in mint condition, so
I'm not sloughing off a "working copy" that's been marked up or
pressed open until the spine cracked. I'm pretty sure the book is in
print and can be bought from any supplier with a good selection of
books, of course.
--
Mary Shafer http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/People/Shafer/mary.html
sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA
Senior Handling Qualities Research Engineer
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Cahslc
>title
Ann,
It's *Innovative Beaded Jewelry Techniques* by Gineke Root, which includes
several variations of her wonderful spiral. Definitely a book worth having in
one's collection!!!
Carol
druk...@my-deja.com
Mary Shafer <sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov> wrote:
> This is the common name, used to avoid giving the actual originator
> credit, for the technique presented by Ginneke Root in her little book
So, you're saying people use the name "Dutch spiral" delibreately
to avoid giving credit where its due? I thought it was just easier to
remember "Dutch spiral" Do you know Gineke Root? Is she bothered by
this?
INquiring minds,
Druk
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Mary Shafer
> In article <u07ldrg...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov>,
> Mary Shafer <sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> > This is the common name, used to avoid giving the actual originator
> > credit, for the technique presented by Ginneke Root in her little book
>
> So, you're saying people use the name "Dutch spiral" delibreately
> to avoid giving credit where its due? I thought it was just easier to
> remember "Dutch spiral" Do you know Gineke Root? Is she bothered by
> this?
I don't really know what motives people have. Being a bit of a cynic,
I think that people who wanted to write about or teach the technique,
perhaps as something new and innovative, have used the term "Dutch
spiral" and avoided mentioning Root's role in developing it and
publishing a book about it for some reason. I've seen at least one
article in a bead magazines presenting the technique that made
absolutely no mention at all of Root or her book, for example.
Maybe the author omitted any mention of Root to make the article more
sellable or increase enrollment in courses, because they thought that
editors might worry about copyright (although techniques can't be
copyrighted) or they thought people who knew that it was Gineke Root's
technique, explained completely in an inexpensive book, might not
enroll in a class if they could buy the book instead.
Maybe someone was presenting the technique as their own redacted
version of a forgotten technique and had an interest in hiding the
fact that it's a modern technique explained in a book currently in
print.
Maybe they couldn't remember "Root". Maybe they've got a grudge
against Lacis. I can come up with a lot of imagined reasons,
obviously, but no one will know until the person who first named it
"Dutch spiral" tells us the real reason.
I know that if I were writing an article about "tatting" picot bead
lace, I'd mention that Sandy Forrington had developed the technique
and had at least three books about it in print, for example. I'd do
the same if I were using Virginia Blakelock's helix, just as I've seen
authors do in Lapidary Journal (the snake necklace project, as I
recall). So why didn't the person who wrote about the "Dutch spiral"
mention Root and her book?
Why not call it the "Root spiral" or the "Root Dutch Spiral"?
Considering all the discussion of whether to call one off-loom weaving
technique "peyote" or "gourd" stitch depending on whether or not the
beader is a member of a particular modern Native American religion, as
well as the discussion of whether or not non-Huichols should use
Huichol motifs when embedding beads in pitch, I find it odd that no
one seems to have noticed that Root's innovation has been renamed
"Dutch spiral", as if it were the only beading technique used in all
of the Netherlands from the beginning of time or something and not a
technique that she came up with in modern times and wrote a book about.
As to your other questions, no, I don't know her and no, I don't know
what she thinks of having her technique hijacked. But here's a
question for you--why do you think Root is a hard name to remember?
Courtney Graham Hipp
technique instead of actually developing it. I think "Root
Spiral" would be an excellent name for it if she did invent it.
That would be the easiest way to assure attribution, for
writers and beaders alike.
I think if you've heard it referred to only as "Dutch spiral,"
it's easy to think that it's a traditional stitch and not a modern
one, which might lead one to do less research when it comes
to attribution.
By the way, I ordered her book a few weeks ago, but it takes
3-5 weeks from Amazon.
Courtney
Mary Shafer wrote:
> I don't really know what motives people have. Being a bit of a cynic,
> I think that people who wanted to write about or teach the technique,
> perhaps as something new and innovative, have used the term "Dutch
> spiral" and avoided mentioning Root's role in developing it and
> publishing a book about it for some reason. I've seen at least one
> article in a bead magazines presenting the technique that made
> absolutely no mention at all of Root or her book, for example...
Bodhikt
Maybe it's called "Dutch Spiral" because she's Dutch? Or the technique/book was
first printed in that language?
Inside, on the back of the title page, my copy reads: "Translated from the
Dutch title KRALEN GEREGEN TOT SIERDEN"
Ginneke Root seems to refer to the technique as "circular beading" (in the
Lacis edition)-- the term "spiral" must have originated with whoever renamed it
"Dutch spiral"-- perhaps a possessor of a Dutch-language copy, who cannot read
that language? I have a lot of Japanese beading books I can't read well enough
to give credit for technique names or authors/artists, so I just "credit" stuff
made from those books as "a Japanese design".
druk...@my-deja.com
Mary Shafer <sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>why do you think Root is a hard name to remember?
Gineke seems to be hard for people to remember. I have even seem some
say "Ginko Root" LOL.
If someone didn't learn it from her book, I can see how they would not
know to mention her name.
Also, it's not the same as religious symbolism.
Druk (rhymes with Brooke)