Semi-Ot: Weird Request
MeijhanaKittie
My color printer just gave up (the color part anyway). I don't know when I
will be able to get another printer. (anyway, it was printing
purple-shifted anyway, because the yellow head doesn't work). I can still
print in B&W, thank goodness.
The only thing is, I do not have a visual memory. So I use pictures that I
print from the web as "inspirations". I do not copy (unless I copy in my
own styles). I look at them, and see how I can make it to my own style, if
that makes sense.
Anyway, I was going to ask, if a few people out there could do some printing
for me? I don't care how it is, as long as it's color (if you want to throw
everything on one page, or one pic per page, it's fine...I would just prefer
necklaces on one page, bracelets on another, etc, but hey, beggars can't be
choosers, and I *do* have scissors!).
What I would ask for is pictures of lampwork beads that YOU like (don't
worry...I can't even make a dot on a bead yet...just want mainly for color
combos right now), and jewelry that strikes you.
This will help me, too, because you know, you always seem to get "stuck in a
rut" with certain things...I have always told people I would *love* it if
they got me beads, as it would give me other choices to work with, and not
the color/shape choices that I always work with. Make me think outside of
the square, so to speak.
So if you would do this for me, I would really appreciate it. Please email
me for my address, if you don't already have it.
Thanks, everyone!!! :-) And Merry Christmas!
Mary
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If "The Never-Ending Story" never ended, why did they make a sequel?
Arondelle
> My color printer just gave up (the color part anyway). I don't know when I
> will be able to get another printer. (anyway, it was printing
> purple-shifted anyway, because the yellow head doesn't work). I can still
> print in B&W, thank goodness.
Here's sort of a "doh!" suggestion: Are your color ink cartridges full?
Color shifting is usually a sign the one of the tanks is empty. And
when you change the cartridge, be sure to keep your fingers away from
the copper-colored bits; the oil on your fingers can cause the contacts
to corrode.
Could be that all your printer needs is a good cleaning and a new color
ink cartridge. :-)
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MeijhanaKittie
lot of stuff...and to fix the print head (although when the printer was
purchased 3 years ago, it was about a $350 printer) would cost more than a
new one today (heck, I saw here that biglots had the previous version for
$40...at a time where we lived off my commision from the store for a week,
so we couldn't get it.).
It's an HP, a good printer, and it will work well as a b&w...until we can
get a color one.
Mary
"Arondelle" <arondel...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Nita
save on printer paper, but then if the 'puter is in a different room to your
work table it would be kind of hard to work!
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Nita,
~White Raven Designs~
http://members.ebay.com.au/aboutme/white_raven_designs/.
"MeijhanaKittie" <meijhan...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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BeckiBead
Becki
Cheryl
My folks just bought an entire new computer setup....
they have a scanner and a printer that they might be willing to sell cheap....
Cheryl of <A HREF="http://www.dragonbeads.com"> DRAGON BEADS </A>
Flameworked beads and glass
http://www.dragonbeads.com/
MeijhanaKittie
And someone asked about displaying it on the monitor...granted, I live in a
3 room house, but my computer is in the kitchen, and the area I get to work
on is on the floor of the living/bedroom. sometimes I set up a long
cardtable in there, which takes up some of the floor space...
Mary
"Cheryl" <drag...@aol.combeads> wrote in message
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Snata Pntas
A brand new printer is ridiculously cheap these days. Less than $50 for a very
nice printer. Is your bf still working the high paying job he got a couple
months ago?
Santa Pants
MeijhanaKittie
little bit to catch up on bills. Okay, no difference than others on this
board.
I guess that I am sorry that I asked.
mary
"Snata Pntas" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Santa Pnats
<meijhan...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Ken just started the week before Thanksgiving week. It will take us a
>little bit to catch up on bills. Okay, no difference than others on this
>board.
>
>I guess that I am sorry that I asked.
>
>mary
Mary, I just don't understand why you can't see that it is just socially
unacceptable to ask people for things like this.
I am pretty certain that you are a fairly young able bodied woman who for some
unknown reason chooses not to work.
Ho Ho Ho
Santa Pnats
Cheryl
I am pretty certain that you are a fairly young able bodied woman who for some
unknown reason chooses not to work.
>
well that's an uncalled for bitchy statement from ms pantz
would you do us all a big favor and GO AWAY -- like you PROMISED TO DO!!!!????
or at least stop changing your damn email so we can ignore you!
Santa Pnats
thoughtful of her.
mkahogan
That's why God invented Mastercard. Charge now, pay it off in a couple of
months when the money starts rolling in.
It's the American way and it sometimes works out well, as long as you are
sure you can pay it off, preferably right away or within a couple of months.
I never would have said that 10 years ago........my morals are slipping.
Kathy Hnews:uaYM9.158$Me7....@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
SoozH
cards, so your morals are okay, darlin.
>That's why God invented Mastercard. Charge now, pay it off in a couple of
>months when the money starts rolling in.
~~snip~~
>I never would have said that 10 years ago........my morals are slipping.
>Kathy H
~~
Sooz
mkahogan
was just a part of life today and that credit history was important when
getting a mortgage, etc. We try really hard to pay them off right away or
within 1 or 2 months. I don't want them making money on me, darnit!
Kathy H
"SoozH" <diva...@aol.comdance> wrote in message
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MeijhanaKittie
doesn't want one right now, I believe that he's had a bad experience with
them, paid them off, and now doesn't want anything to do with them. He says
that his debit card is enough.
Mary
"mkahogan" <mkah...@imeplace.com> wrote in message
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Christina Foster Peterson
with a debit card.
Tina
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JustBeaded
Linda2
ssSanta Pants
<meijhan...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I appreciate the suggestion, but right now, I am in deep with them, and Ken
>doesn't want one right now, I believe that he's had a bad experience with
>them, paid them off, and now doesn't want anything to do with them. He says
>that his debit card is enough.
>
>Mary
I am going to be really nosey here. Do you hace any disposable income of your
own? Is Ken a controlling type of guy? Do you and your kids have enough food
to eat?
SoozH
Christina Foster Peterson
Tina
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Christina Foster Peterson
ask for money, as if everything you get is at the sufferance of Ken. Hope
this isn't correct.
Tina
"SoozH" <diva...@aol.comdance> wrote in message
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JustBeaded
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> Oh. (surprised) What car rental was that?
>
> Tina
>
I don't know if it's a nationwide agency or not. Dollar Rent-A-Car. Made my
reservations online through Yahoo.
Linda2
MeijhanaKittie
cover whatever they feel is an appropriate amount. I believe around 5 or 6
hundred.
My ex-husband and I had that thing about 8 years ago, when Budget would
accept Sears cards, they said we had to have $500 left on our card "just in
case"...
Mary
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MeijhanaKittie
First, I can definitely assure you that I am not abused, nor neglected, nor
physically, nor mentally. Ken is the sweetest thing on earth, and no, it's
not the beginning, either.
Right now, we are living together. I still have the qualm about asking him
for "his money" although he has told me time and time again that it is ours.
We have gotten into minor arguments over my earnings, when I cleaned house
for my friend, about using my money to repay a loan, but when I sat back and
thought about it, when we were tight on money, why shouldn't I have paid
back some of it, when it was made to the both of us.
No, I don't have true access to his account. I am not on it, nor do I have
a card in my name. That's because I can't get a bank account, but that's a
long story.
Right now, we are in the recovery stage of his getting the new job. When we
got together, Ken had just got out of the navy, and wanted to take a little
time off (vacation of sorts). Yes, we overspent a little. He got the job
through a temp agency, and we almost got the bills caught up. Then he got
laid off (end of assignment), and he was back on unemployment. That barely
got us through...we had to let some of the bills slide a little. So now, he
has received 2 checks from the company so far, with a third coming after
christmas (of course...). We have caught up on the car payment, and stuff.
Some "minor" bills (my medical co-payments, etc), and we will be back on
"regular" status with putting money away in the bank and the payroll
deduction things.
I feel "trapped" here sometimes, but that is not his fault. I live on a
main street here in Vacaville. But the bus transportation around here
sucks!!! So I don't go out much. I walk to the post office, or to the one
thrift store, or to Foster Freeze. When we get a little more solvent, then
I will get to go more places...Walmart, etc, without having to ask for a
ride.
He is more than happy to take me places. I try to make it convenient for
him, because I *have* been in a mentally abusive relationship, one that the
person made me walk home a mile at night in the rain, because he didn't want
to take 5 minutes to come get me. One that wouldn't take me 5 minutes to
the post office, because it "bothered" him. so yes, it has changed how I
approach things. I try not to ask to many things, and he says that I don't.
Sometimes I feel that I don't want to lose the one good thing in my life,
and by constantly saying "I am scared to lose you", that I might.
If I say "I don't have a ride", it's because I don't feel that I can ask him
to drive me to a place 1 hour away, and either wait for me (what is he going
to do for 8 hours), or drive back, and then come again. I want to take a
lampwork class when we get the money, and so now I have the guilt complex of
trying to figure out how I would go that wouldn't be a hardship on him.
One former employer, when I "quit" because my co-worker and I were arguing,
said that "Mary feels that the starving children in China is her fault".
And, well, sometimes it is.
Okay, I am sorry if this was TMI...I will go back into lurk mode as I have
for the last few days, so that I won't bother anyone ...
mary
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ssSanta Pants
Mary, you aren't bothering anyone. Some of the things you are posting just have
people concerned. It seems like you have automatically put yourself in a one
down position with this man. If he wants to share the money with you and plan
on staying a couple, he would just autmatically include you, meaning he would
just give you access to the money or have a set amount to give you. Saying and
doing are two different things. I don't know how long you two have been
together.
I assume that he has a vehicle. Why would you have to ask him to take you
somewhere? If he is home and you want to go somewhere, why not just get in the
car and drive yourself somewhere?
Mary, you are a worthy human being just because you are. You have wants and
needs just like others and they are just as important as anyone elses.
Do you really feel if you express your wants and needs to your bf that you will
lose him?
Christina Foster Peterson
Mary, I strongly suggest that you develop your individual presence more.
Until my husband left me when I was 35, I didn't have a drivers license,
bank account etc. I did work and have my own money, but I was really only
half a self. Romantically, I thought we two should be one. Instead we had
two almosts making a not quite.
Tina
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SoozH
you were suddenly alone, are you set up to be okay? And learn how to drive --
OMG! I didn't drive til I was 27, and I kick myself still over it. What a
dunce I was. My entire life would've been different if I'd been able to get
places by myself.
Our love for making jewelry is not enough. We need to be strong by ourselves
so we are not codependent.
>Mary, I strongly suggest that you develop your individual presence more.
>Tina
~~
Sooz
MeijhanaKittie
I can drive, and have driven. My license is suspended until I take care of
some problems ... and Ken owns a stick, which I can't drive, anyway (and he
says he wouldn't even let his own MOTHER drive it. HECK, when he's sleeping
when we visit friends, and they want to back it up 5 feet, he gets up, gets
dressed, to move it. LOL!). We are thinking of getting me a car,
registering it to Ken, and for me to drive just around here, hoping that I
won't get pulled (hell, I live 1/2 block from the police station).
Bank account, I am almost clear paying them off, but then trying to find
one that will let you use their services for 7 years is a b*tch. I was
stupid, and am on the road to recovery (not drugs or alcohol, just
stupidity, and now I have a great support and love in my life, like you,
Sooz), but it's hard sometimes ... it seems like the system is against you.
Mary
"SoozH" <diva...@aol.comdance> wrote in message
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Rachel T.
LOL, this reminds me of when I learned ow to drive a stick. I refused to let
anyone be in the car with me to teach me. I wasn't about to let them laugh at
me! So...I managed to convince my dad (over the phone no less) to let me take
his 5 speed s-10 around the block. I must've drove that thing for 5 hours all
over a couple block (back street) area. BUT! I did it. Then I took that dang
truck home that night. FREEDOM!!
Mary- a stick shift is easy to learn. The hard part is talking someone into
letting you practice in their car. But once you get it down, they're fun to
drive. (except traffic jams. A little hard on the leg.)
Shoot, I bet before the end of next year ('03) you'll be driving. And I
wouldn't be surprised if it was a stick!
Rachel T.
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work."
- Thomas Edison
Kathy N-V
12/24/02 11:36 PM:
>> and Ken owns a stick, which I can't drive,
>
>
> Mary- a stick shift is easy to learn. The hard part is talking someone into
> letting you practice in their car. But once you get it down, they're fun to
> drive. (except traffic jams. A little hard on the leg.)
If there is even the slightest incline, put that puppy in neutral and just
use the brake. Saves gas and muscle. (Says the woman who travels on
Boston's Southeast Expressway, where traffic jams from end to end are not
uncommon)
>
> Shoot, I bet before the end of next year ('03) you'll be driving. And I
> wouldn't be surprised if it was a stick!
I've been driving cars with a manual transmission for a million years,
because at one time, I couldn't afford a car that had an automatic tranny.
It took me about 2-ish hours of practicing in a parking lot, and then I was
ready for street driving. I actually got an old guy who used to teach
driving school to take me out on a Saturday morning to talk me through the
finer points of going up hills, etc.
After that, aside from the occasional stall, it was smooth sailing. My
first Honda was such a beater that I'd let anyone learn to drive standard on
it. (The clutch was so bad that no student could make it any worse than it
already was) Once anyone had learned on the Honda, they could drive
anything.
I strongly suggest taking the car to a parking lot sometime when it's closed
-- around here, that means an office park on a Sunday morning. After you
graduate from there, graveyards are terrific for practicing starting,
stopping and gentle hills. Then, if at all possible, hire a driving
instructor for one session to talk you through the tough spots. It shouldn't
cost much for one road lesson. You'll know you're an experienced manual
transmission driver when you can eat an ice cream cone, shift and steer at
the same time. :-)
Once you learn, you probably will never want to drive a weenie automatic
again. You have so much more control over the car, and it's so damn cool to
know something so useful. And, if you ever take a trip to Europe and rent a
car, you'll save at least 2/3 of the cost of an automatic. The car rental
people assume American = weenie = automatic transmission = $$$$$. Surprise
them with your skill, save a ton of bucks, and get a nicer car to boot. (I
habitually reserve the cheapest car available, and when I tell them I want a
standard, I nearly always get a Mercedes or Beemer)
Kathy N-V
Obligatory Bead Reference: If you wake up with a backache of unknown
origin, check your bed for beads. Large beads (8 mm and up) can give you a
wicked backache and cause your bed buddy to laugh at you.
--
Everyone hears what you say.
Friends listen to what you say.
Best friends listen to what you don't say.
Christina Foster Peterson
him in the car. And then the car died. I bought a car from a friend at
work for $300. Stick shift, standard. Window wouldn't crank up. Had to
get under it and tighten the U bolt every once in a while. It was horrible
to learn to drive it. The looks I got at stop signals on an up-hill slope!
I don't think I've ever been prouder of a car though. I had the most
glorious f**k you attitude when I drove it. So proud, and not willing to be
embarrassed after accomplishing so much.
Tina
"Rachel T." <whitej...@aol.comspamsux> wrote in message
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Jeanne Harney
wrote:
>in article 20021224233611...@mb-fr.aol.com, Rachel T. wrote on
>12/24/02 11:36 PM:
>
>>> and Ken owns a stick, which I can't drive,
>>
>>
>> Mary- a stick shift is easy to learn. The hard part is talking someone into
>> letting you practice in their car. But once you get it down, they're fun to
>> drive. (except traffic jams. A little hard on the leg.)
<snip excellent advice>
I agree totally with Kathy...I think I posted here before that I was
the "mean mommy" who wouldn't let her daughter get her license till
she could drive 3,4, and 5 speed, automatic, change a tire, adjust all
fluids in her car, change a belt, etc etc. She hasn't driven an
automatic EVER willingly, nor do Ron or I. Her first stick was
because she looked at 2 identical used cars. The stick shift one was
HALF the price of the automatic one. Besides, when she was younger
and single and gorgeous, driving a candy-apple stickshift red Ford
Probe GT with t-tops impressed the hell outta the guys <G>
She's now "corrupted" most of her friend-group. I bet 75% of them
drive a stick, and she taught them all. It takes about 20 minutes to
really get the basics down. (Unless you're my daughter's brother in
law, who was still stalling out after 6 hours...course, he doesn't
understand why he can't introduce me as HIS mother in law since I'm
his brother's mother in law and these things should be inherited
between brothers...so...)
Jeanne
who was a mean mommy in other ways too...all of which made Erin
self-sufficient
Shirley Shone
manual gear change (stick). If you pass your driving test on a manual
you can drive an automatic. however if you pass on an automatic you
cannot drive a manual unless you take another test.
Shirley
In article <20021224233611...@mb-fr.aol.com>, Rachel T.
<whitej...@aol.comspamsux> writes
--
Shirley Shone
BeckiBead
"show me once" category. I bought a stick shift car without knowing how to
drive it, LOL. It was a two-toned blue Pacer, loved that car. But COULDN"T
DRIVE IT, BOUGHT IT ANYWAY, LOLOLOL. My dad drove it to my house for me, my
neighbor taught me to drive it, and I drove from that day on. It really isn't
complicated. I sold that car when I got the job in the Governor's Office,
because it was a month delay to get my first check (our wonderful government)
and my roomate and I didn't know how we were going to pay the rent. Seemed
like a good solution at the time.
Becki
Rachel T.
>transmission driver when you can eat an ice cream cone, shift and steer at
>the same time. :-)
LOL!!! I used to drive that dang truck every morning on the highway with a
large capppuccino and the steering wheel in one hand while shifting with the
other! All well and good until one morning on the way home, it snowed and I
ended up doing a 180 degree turn in the middle of the street. A little slippery
it was. Thank goodness the guy behind me wasn't riding my bumper!
Helen Page
"Shirley Shone" <shi...@allcrafts.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> This makes me smile, here in UK the biggest percentage of cars are
> manual gear change (stick). If you pass your driving test on a manual
> you can drive an automatic. however if you pass on an automatic you
> cannot drive a manual unless you take another test.
> Shirley
Yet I wouldn't have a clue what to do in an automatic... lol
My good old 13-yr-old Ford Orion is manual, and I have no probs with it,
even when brain fog makes me pull away in 2nd, or once even 3rd! *cringe* I
just gave it loadsa gas, wondering why it was being cranky, putting it down
to being a cold morning... lol
It's *so* forgiving, pulling away in 2nd/3rd, driving down the road with the
handbrake on, using the choke too much, running *completely* out of petrol
on the middle lane of the local ring road... and the only things to fix for
the MOT were brake light & fuel cap!
Helen Page
"BeckiBead" <beck...@aol.combuybeads> wrote in message
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Eep... no matter how skint we are I will never sell my car to pay the rent -
we'd find the money from other means. Helps that it's 13 yrs old and we'd
probably only get a couple of hundred for it - a car is worth more to me
than half of 1 month's rent. It is literally my independence, without it I
would barely leave the house.
Day Afta Salee Pnats
Same here! I hace had a car since teh age of 16 and I wood not go without one.
It is my independance and I dont like hacing to depend on anyone to haul me
around!
BeckiBead
>one.
oh get a grip. Where did I say I was without one? I said I sold that
particular car, which I loved, to pay the rent because I started a new job and
wouldn't get paid for a month. My roomate and I were a couple of years out of
college and didn't have a lot of money. I was 25 years old and got offered a
job in the Governor's Office. It was the opportunity of a lifetime, and had I
not sold that car I couldn't have taken the job (my roomate went to work for
the state too, same deal) because we would not have been able to pay the rent.
Shoot it was my ticket to the best job in the world. I went right out and
bought another car (with payments). I just didn't use the Pacer for the
downpayment; I sold it for cash instead. But even if I HAD been without a car,
it still would have been a good decision. We lived on a bus line, and less
than 1/2 a mile from the statehouse. There is no way it was a bad decision.
Sometimes you have to take risks to get what you want.
Becki
Day Afta Salee Pnats
>>Same here! I hace had a car since teh age of 16 and I wood not go without
>>one.
>
>oh get a grip. Where did I say I was without one? I said I sold that
>particular car, which I loved, to pay the rent because I started a new job and
I didn't see where anee one wuz criticizing you? Peeople are just talking about
cars.
BeckiBead
Bite me. You practically closed down this newsgroup, and we lost a lot of good
people because of it. Anything you have to say has NO validity on any subject.
I've never seen a single apology, except to either Sooz or Tink on a
particular issue once. When it would take a thousand of them, three apologies
for every one stupid post that you brought to this newsgroup. Not only were
you stupid and ugly, you then rounded up your friends and asked them to come
make mayhem here also. I quit being a doormat a long time ago in my life.
Trust is EARNED. Respect is EARNED. Yes, everyone has a right to post on this
newsgroup but that doesn't mean I am going to listen to everyone. What you
have earned is distain. And just because you have decided to be "nice" and
try to be part of this newsgroup does not excuse what came before. There is no
excuse for that. None. It wasn't art, it was a STUPID WASTE OF TIME.
Post whatever you want in response to this. I will never read it.
And, in other words, Bite me.
Becki
Mississipeepee i Pnats
Infinitely boring.
SoozH
them to come
>make mayhem here also. ~~snip~~ Trust is EARNED. Respect is EARNED. ~~snip~~
And just because you have decided to be "nice" and try to be part of this
newsgroup does not excuse what came before. There is no excuse for that.
None.
> It wasn't art, it was a STUPID WASTE OF TIME.
Yeah, this has been bothering me. I've got a very open idea of what constitues
art, but trolling is just forcing moronic behavior on others til they say
"Enough." Hell, I'd rather watch Karen Finley shove a zucchini up her ass --
that's art compared to your sad excuse for spelling and manners. You don't
design a thing -- all you do is behave like a child. A 3 year old does similar
stuff and no one calls it art. Performance art is carefully DESIGNED. It has
context. Yours is just anger and obsession, empty of meaning to anyone but
you. You have to create context, resonance, and at least some kind of rational
statement. Without these things, it has a message only its creator can
understand, and art devoid of meaning is simply self-indulgence. Duhhhh.
~~
Sooz
SoozH
>statement. Without these things, it has a message only its creator can
>understand, and art devoid of meaning is simply self-indulgence.
In other words, if it's empty and meaningless and any frigging fool can do it,
it's pointless drivel, not art.
~~~Which brings me to ask --
What is the definition of art for those of you on RCB? What does "art" mean to
you?
~~
Sooz
Mississipeepee i Pnats
Thank you!
Rach
feelings or thoughts within me. I don't think it is necessary that these
feelings or thoughts be those intended by the artist. Everyone comes into an
artistic experience with their own set of experiences. That is bound to
influence their perception of a piece. I have always found this to be true
in literature as well as the visual arts.
Take the LOTR. Tolkien said many times that it was just a story. He hated
allegory. However, it is indicative of the artist's skill of the books that
they do seem to be allegory to some readers. To me, the very fact that they
CAN be interpreted in different ways, the very fact that they have a
different effect on different people, makes them art.
I have always found this to be an unpopular idea, but I can't escape from
it. The more I try to convince myself that I am crazy to feel this way, the
less I can shake the idea.
Just my opinion, what is true for me.
Hugs,
Rach
"SoozH" <diva...@aol.comdance> wrote in message
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Lori Sousa
>wicked backache and cause your bed buddy to laugh at you.
>
LOL!
thanks for the laugh!
Lori Sousa
Briarrose Designs
handcrafted jewelry, traditional care, contemporary flair
current auctions: http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=briarrose
SoozH
>CAN be interpreted in different ways, the very fact that they have a
>different effect on different people, makes them art.
>
>I have always found this to be an unpopular idea, but I can't escape from
>it.
Most of the artists I've known would agree with you -- art should have
ambiguity and be able to speak to people on many different levels. Poetry
without ambiguity, for instance, is just a limerick or rhyme. Art to me is
complex, emotional communication with depth and color and feeling, and it
shifts and shimmers and speaks differently to everyone who reads it. (It's not
dirty diapers and spelling "have" as "hace". If anyone can explain to me how
that's artful, I'll eat my computer.)
~~
Sooz
Lori Sousa
>work for $300.
When I left my husband (over 10 yrs ago now) neither one of us was sure if I
could make it on my own or if I would come crawling back defeated. I had never
lived on my own before - went from parents to college to married.
About 5 weeks after I took up residence under my own roof (and after I had used
all my savings to pay the 2 months up-front rent) my car died. Stranded DD
and I about 4 blocks from the church where we were supposed to be singing
Handel's Messiah. I remember being terrified that this setback would mean I
would have to go back to the husband - and determined that I wouldn't! I don't
quite remember how I solved it - I know I drove a friend's "dump truck" (i.e.
the beatup pickup they used to go to the dump on Saturdays) for a month or so.
But I never went back. I'm still living in the same place, and I drive a
paid-for Saab now. And if I sound proud of myself, it's because I am. It was
a long climb to be a competent person, but I am pleased with the results.
Mississipeepee i Pnats
Nobody knows!
Mississipeepee i Pnats
It's impossible.
BeckiBead
>allegory.
I was just FLOORED when, as a young adult, I learned that the Wizard of Oz was
an allegory, LOL. I loved the story when it meant nothing!
Becki
BeckiBead
suggest reading the "Bluebead" story in Women Who Run With The Wolves. It is
what taught me the difference between when it is OK to make excuses for someone
and excuse their behavior and when it is not. I would type the whole thing
here, but there are copyright laws that prevent that. However, I may have to
quote some of it from time to time, LOLOLOLOL
Becki
SoozH
>suggest reading the "Bluebead" story in Women Who Run With The Wolves. It is
>what taught me the difference between when it is OK to make excuses for
someone
>and excuse their behavior and when it is not.
Becki, as you know, I don't think you are being too harsh. But I'd like to
explain why I feel this way. Elizabeth/Pnats is so innocuous and "friendly"
now that she lulls newbies and some old-timers into a false sense of security.
She needed neither rhyme nor reason to attack us before, and she went to other
(trolling) NGs and told them it was open season on RCB. She made people here
suffer, she made them physically sick, she ruined things they owned -- whether
doing these things herself, or having her cronies do them, it doesn't matter.
It was all essentially by her hand. If she needed no reason to act this way
before, can we trust her to be harmless now? You'll have to *really* convince
me before I will allow her to dwell here unchallenged. Her apologies have all
been bereft of genuine feeling (since we've caught her in countless lies) IMO,
and they make up for none of the harm she inflicted. If we forget the past, we
are doomed to repeat it.
~~
Sooz
melinda
[snip for bandwidth]
> I have always found this to be an unpopular idea, but I can't escape from
> it. The more I try to convince myself that I am crazy to feel this way, the
> less I can shake the idea.
> Just my opinion, what is true for me.
I don't think you're crazy. Art in its different forms speaks to people
in different voices.
--
Melinda
<http://cust.idl.com.au/athol>
Christina Foster Peterson
The toughest part of art is the vision part. The seeing into the life
essence of something and re-presenting it.
And then there's the control over the medium part, which is as much craft as
art.
To my mother art is the result of an excess. She draws or whatever, it is
pressed out of her. Literally ex - pressed. And she goes on her way.
Doesn't matter what happens to it after that.
For me it's very different. I find that art is not complete until it
reaches a receiver. Insight, interpretation, reception.
I think fine art is when a person has enough control over the medium to use
it without a lot of effort, and enough skill at planning and executing a
balanced product, that they can look at the life essence, and spontaneously
open their arm and spread before you a finished interpretation of the
secrets within. That is, they have such a high level the skills of art that
they can use them without effort. Attention and intention, and Voile!
And then there are us mortal folk who just do the best we can. We have
attention, we have some skill, we have intention. And we do damn well.
Tina
"SoozH" <diva...@aol.comdance> wrote in message
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Celtic_moon_goddes
make, poems that you write or stories that you write all reflect on you
innerself.
Art is when you make something your making something or doing something
that reflects you as a person.
like i write poems (mostly of sadness because when i was younger and in
high school i was a loner.) I write fantasy stories because i wish i
was in a distant land fighting dragons etc...
But when you read my stuff you are reading a little bit of me.
Everyone interpeds art differently but it all in all almost all the time
comes down to being a reflection of the person.
sorry if i wrote this two long. Kelly
Mary Tafoya
> >To me, the very fact that they
> >CAN be interpreted in different ways, the very fact that they have a
> >different effect on different people, makes them art.
> >
> >I have always found this to be an unpopular idea, but I can't escape from
> >it.
>
> Most of the artists I've known would agree with you -- art should have
> ambiguity and be able to speak to people on many different levels.
There's a difference between having something resonate on different
levels, to different people with differing experiences, and being
ambiguous. I see ambiguity as a weakness in expression, a kind of lack
of courage or clarity in being first of all clear about what you feel
and then clear and confident in saying it. I think it's a difference
in semantics here -- good poetry isn't "ambiguous," what that means is
"vague" and "unclear". It may be layered with meaning, evocative, etc.
but that isn't being ambiguous.
But I can totally relate to the feeling that work that resonates on
many levels, can be recognized on a kind of inner *and* outer plane,
is an unpopular concept, and I appreciate hearing that expressed by
somebody else! People are looking for the one meaning, the one cause,
the one paragraph to sum it all up in a nutshell. What resonates for
me in art is the truth of many perspectives. It's difficult, I think,
for people to be able to say "I am right. And you are also right."
>(It's not
> dirty diapers and spelling "have" as "hace". If anyone can explain to me how
> that's artful, I'll eat my computer.)
Wondering if you will ever be able to let this go, LOL! Art is what
you make it. Some people believe that art is what people make that
causes a reaction in the audience/viewer. Some people (including me)
believe that in some art, its importance is found in the what the
audience resists most strongly. I saw on a show last night that
Loretta Lynn had more songs banned from the radio than any other
singer. This strikes me as hilarious.
Resistance is futile,
Mary T. 8-)
Aunt Molly's Bead Street
http://www.flash.net/~mjtafoya/
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SoozH
>make, poems that you write or stories that you write all reflect on you
>innerself.
But how does that make those things art, as opposed to expressing yourself
yelling at your husband, for instance? Many things we do express ourselves.
Trolls, for instance, are expressing themselves -- but is that art?
>Art is when you make something your making something or doing something that
reflects you as a person.
~~snip~~
>Everyone interpeds art differently but it all in all almost all the time
>comes down to being a reflection of the person.
But what makes it art, as opposed to craft, or housework (i.e., cooking)? Is
it the interpretation of the other people -- the universality of the expression
-- that makes it art?
If so, then sweeping dirt is an art, because it's universally experienced.
Kelly, what really makes it *art* to you? As opposed to, say, graffiti (unless
you consider that art, which I sometimes do)? Etc.?
~~
Sooz
Marisa Cappetta
diva...@aol.comdance wrote on 28/12/02 5:27 AM:
heh heh! back to this old chestnut, 'But is it art?'. The most heated debate
I ever engaged in was back in art school, between the 'fine art' (painting,
sculpture, print-making students; digital media was still in the future) and
the 'craft' students (textiles, jewellery/metal, ceramic). Media was still
considered a determining factor in deciding what was art as opposed to
craft. Some of the craft students made non-functional work ranging from
sculpture to installation and painterly works that were very powerful. Some
of the fine art works were excercises in design exploration that bordered on
the decorative. Both groups produced some work that was unreadable garbage,
self indulgent and self serving.
Art communicates something more than information. I believe that the
emotional content is the key to defining whether or not something is art.
There is so much that can be defined as art, but at the end of the day, it
matters more to me whether or not something is satisfying as an art work.
When I listen to Rachmaninov piano concerto #3, I feel as though I have been
fed. This is also true for me of, say, the work of Moira Douropolous, an
Australian textile artist who I greatly admire. I don't dismiss art that has
no significance for me, it may well resonate with someone else. The most I
can commit to as a statement about art is that I believe it is an intensly
personal experience for each of us.
My own philosophy is that I have no intention of burdening my audience with
a lot of my inner turmoil (such as it is). I just can't make work from a
position of misery. I like to offer my take on universal themes based on the
use of a visual language that we, as a western culture, are able to read. In
all likelihood this means I will never be a great artist. I can't imagine
inventing a new artistic dialect such as cubism or impressionism, I'm just
not that clever!
Marisa (AU)
Marisa Cappetta
diva...@aol.comdance wrote on 29/12/02 1:51 AM:
>> art to me means expressing yourself. like the type of jewelry that you
>> make, poems that you write or stories that you write all reflect on you
>> innerself.
>
> But how does that make those things art, as opposed to expressing yourself
> yelling at your husband, for instance? Many things we do express ourselves.
> Trolls, for instance, are expressing themselves -- but is that art?
I think that the expression of an idea is not art in itself. It is the
exploration of that idea that makes it art. For instance, if I were to
record myself screaming at my husband, place the tape recorder in a beaded
and highly embellished reliquary using techniques considered to 'craft'
rather than fine art and play the tape on a repeating loop, that might be
considered art! I'm not being entirely facetious. The purpose of this
fictitious art-piece is to elevate the words, 'take out the god-damn garbage
you slob' to, 'What I have to say as a woman is valuable and my contribution
as a home-maker is something to treasure'. In that sense we could take the
universal theme of domestic conflict and explore an underlying reason for
it, rather than merely pointing out it's existance. The artist will rely on
the audience having some education and being able to interpret the use of
the religious artifact in the context of a symbolic language.
Metaphor, symbolism, etc; these are tools we use to create art, although as
my DH just pointed out, art is an imprecise language and even the use of
these tools can't entirely define what is or isn't art. But they can give us
a clue.
Marisa (AU)
Marisa (AU)
Christina Foster Peterson
Tina
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Helen Page
--
Art is some creation that is "recorded" - a picture painted onto canvas, a
photograph composed and recorded onto film, a song played and recorded onto
tape...
Which reminds me, IMO art should be composed. *IMO*
It should be visually or (in the case of music) aurally pleasing to some
people, not all, cos tastes differ. But the artist and, by the law of
averages, *some* people should find it pleasing.
It can be an expression of a feeling the artist has, or just something that
looks or sounds pleasing.
I think it should be something that has had effort and thought put into it,
for that reason I'm not so keen on things that look like *I* could have done
it while p*ssed, eyes shut and one hand tied behind my back. Though their
success is down to marketing, (maybe) fashion, and someone liking the
outcome, and if I could sell something like that for a ridiculous amount of
money I certainly wouldn't complain!
I consider my beading "art", especially things like peyote, where it is my
creativity that makes the piece what it is, not the beads. When I get my
torch up and running, the beads will be art themselves, as well as the piece
I create with them.
Art is made one at a time, not on a production line. I could make a necklace
of my own design, that is art. Then I start a production line and make lots
of them, the customers aren't buying a piece of art, they're buying a copy
of my work of art.
--
Well, that's *my* thoughts on what art is and isn't. YMMV.
H. x
Kandice Seeber
--
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Kandice Seeber
never be art, to me, if it's only function is to cause harm to someone else.
If you catch my meaning.
--
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Kandice Seeber
opinion, but no matter how hard I try, I can't seem to block all of her
thousands of identities (read: quit changing your freaking username!!!). I
feel she's burned too many bridges in RCB to enjoy my trust and friendship.
I don't claim to speak for anyone else here, but personally, she would have
to sincerely apologize and seek some mental help for me to begin to include
her in any dialogue I personally take part in.
--
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Mississi pee pee I Pnats
>
>Wondering if you will ever be able to let this go, LOL!
It doesn't look like it. Looks like they have a personal vendetta towards me.
Maybe she is upset because she doesn't get it? Oh well. There are plenty of
people who do.
BeckiBead
>feel she's burned too many bridges in RCB to enjoy my trust and friendship.
OH YEAH
Becki
Marisa Cappetta
see...@attbi.com wrote on 30/12/02 4:43 PM:
> I completely agree with you here. Elizabeth just needs to go away, in my
> opinion, but no matter how hard I try, I can't seem to block all of her
> thousands of identities (read: quit changing your freaking username!!!).
I have developed the habit of logging on and sweeping out the unwanted posts
before settling down to enjoy rcb. I sort by name first, then sweep, then
re-sort by thread. I will not have anybody force their posts on me if I
don't wish to read them, no matter how hard they try. I've been doing it for
months now and will continue to do so for how ever long it takes.
Marisa (AU)
the rest snipped to conserve bw.
Lori Sousa
>yelling at your husband, for instance?
OK, expressing yourself in order to communicate, to have the listener/viewer
understand the idea you are trying to express. Some plan or coherence or theme
is required. (not necessarily beauty - Joyce Scott's bead work is disturbing,
rather that beautiful - but she sure is communicating!) Yelling at your
husband prob isn't art - but writing down all the thoughts and frustrations,
especially if you then conclude something - that can be called a novel or an
essay, sometimes art-worthy. Depending on the skill of word usage and
descriptions. Dusting prob can't be art - but arranging the decorative elements
on the shelf can be, in a small way. Cooking can be art, if there is an
element of creativity or visual appeal to it.
I guess pure utility is not art. Function without form is not art - a plain
wood cane, vs a fancy carved one, or even one with a deliberately created
pleasing-to-the-hand shape.
Just rambling here. YMMV