Shaming
Mxz Pantzz
experience shame - especially if we were ever made to feel foolish for
believing we were creative. From this we may have learned that it was
wrong to try to create. It may be that the very act of attempting to
create arts create shame instead.
As artists, it is our role to bring to light that which some do not
wish to see. As the messenger who refuses to remain silent, we may be
made to feel shame for exposing the dark places of the soul and
psyche. Or maybe we are made to feel shame for experiencing so much
joy when others think we ought to be silently suffering (like they
are). We alone are responsible for creating a safe atmosphere for our
inner artist. Any criticism that disparages, dismisses, ridicules or
condemns can damage. Learn to discern the right time and the right
people to ask for critical comments. The antidote for shame is
self-love and self-praise. If someone is shaming you or your art, use
these medicines in generous quantities - and frequently." --Julia
Cameron
Loev,
Ms Pants
I am not eccentric. It's just that I am more alive than most people. I am an unpopular electric eel set in a pond of goldfish.
Edith Sitwell
Marisa Cappetta
16/9/02 5:30 PM:
Western culture revers artists, as do many other cultures such as Japan
where their great artists are named national living treasures, there is no
shame quotient attached to being an artist.
There are many who bring light, and they are not acting in the role of
artist. Sir Bob Geldorf and his fight to rid the third world of crippling
debt. My local Salvation Army chaplain who fights to bring the plight of
poverty stricken families in my own neighbourhood to the attention of our
government. To name but two contemporary messengers.
I am an artist, but I am not so arrogant as to assume that I have a monopoly
on insight. I also do not believe that my trivial inner turmoil, or
insignificant commentary on society is of any special interest to anyone, I
do not have any particular desire to inflict these things on anyone. I make
from a sense of joy, for the tactile pleasure of doing so and to bring some
momentary beauty to my immediate environment. More than that is an
unexpected bonus.
In the creation of art, we communicate. We open ourselves to dialogue, some
call this criticism. By far the most difficult thing to come to terms with
in art school is not learning the craft, it is learning to deal with
criticism. Many who can't fall by the wayside and give up. It was my
observation (and perhaps I learned more about people than art, at art
school) that those that listen to criticism, learn, grow, and so does their
work. When people stop criticising my work, I will take it as a sign that I
have ceased to grow as an artist.
For what it's worth.
Marisa
Rachel T.
>in art school is not learning the craft, it is learning to deal with
>criticism. Many who can't fall by the wayside and give up. It was my
>observation (and perhaps I learned more about people than art, at art
>school) that those that listen to criticism, learn, grow, and so does their
work. When people stop criticising my work, I will take it as a sign that I
>have ceased to grow as an artist.
Here Here!!!
Rachel T.
Be alert....Lerts are very popular
Christina Foster Peterson
I have always believed that art is an act of generosity too. It's
surprising how many ways there are to approach art. I think most are very
similar even when we perceive them as different.
People used to compare my art and my mother's and recognize their
similarities. It still amazes me when they do that.
The biggest difference though has always been what we perceive art to be.
To Mom, art is the product of exuberance and almost an excess that needs to
be removed from her. Put down on paper, and sent away, so her head won't
get overcrowded.
For me, art is a communication that starts with a unique perception, and
ends with a recipient for that communication (even if there is a specific
recipient who never sees it). For her, art goes out in spokes and for me it
cycles like a comet.
Oddly, Mom is the one who chooses books as her medium, and published her
first book at 16.
Tina
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oils, mostly, though lately she's ventured into watercolor with some
stunning results. I admire her talent so much. She tried to teach me, but
honestly there's some brain to hand barrier that totally thwarts me. I can
chart on graph paper, I have tons of original designs stashed away in
notebooks, but blank paper totally undoes me.
However, I cheerfully admit that I got a lot of my color sense from my Mom.
She's so cool, has an incredible memory for color. She can work on an oil,
walk away from it for months, then come back and mix the same colors without
any struggle at all. We can both shop for beads (I accessorize her on
command) and find exact matches for clothes we left at home.
We have differing, but related tastes. Same with music, oddly enough. I
think the only frustration I've had about art with my mom is that when I
desperately wanted to go to art school (which she had as well, when she was
younger) instead of grabbing the change to "live through me" she advised me
to choose something more practical. I've never quite understood that. Me...I
intend to encourage whatever whimsy my kids want to pursue, as long as they
go after it wholeheartedly. My daughter isn't much into art these days, but
she has a voice like an angel. And my son accompanies her on piano, when
he's not looking over my shoulder and rearranging my beads. <G>
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Marisa Cappetta
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> I have always believed that art is an act of generosity too. It's
> surprising how many ways there are to approach art. I think most are very
> similar even when we perceive them as different.
> >> I love this notion, it also takes courage, I think, to share one's
work.
> For me, art is a communication that starts with a unique perception, and
> ends with a recipient for that communication (even if there is a specific
> recipient who never sees it).
>>>I have a branch of my work that I make with very personal experiences in
mind. I have reactions to that work which has demonstrated to me that the
experience is implicit within the piece and although not graphically
depicted, gives the sculptures an expressiveness that is satisfying.
> For her, art goes out in spokes and for me it
> cycles like a comet.
>>>I think I mentioned in another post somewhere that art, for me these
days, is akin to the pleasure I get from tending my garden.
Thanks for your response to my post, Tina. I found it measured, thoughtful
and insightful.
Marisa
Marisa Cappetta
I had lecturers at Uni who did not encourage their kids to go to art school.
It is a tough way to make a living. Your mom probably wanted you to have
life a little easier. So did mine. My mum has come to realise that easy
does not mean fulfilled and can see that materially, I have all I need, but
it is my art that feeds my soul.
Sounds like you realise this as well and are encouraging that spark in your
kids
Marisa
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wouldn't harm me, wouldn't bury my talents under layers of convention and
"the right way" of doing things. Of course she told me this after the time
to go to school was past. And after I had married and had children
immediately out of high school.
But maybe this is part of why you didn't get to go to art school.
Tina
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Mxz Pantx
wrote:
Many in my family are artists. Some professional some hobby artists.
Mother, sisters, brothers, Aunts, children, neices, nephews.
Leov,
Ms pants
Karen_AZ
LOL I wish! She is, quite simply, a child of the depression. To this day,
it's like moving heaven and earth to get her to indulge in anything. She's
extremely well off and doesn't have a clue how to "fritter".....except
spoiling her 6 grandkids. (And, so far, footing the bill for Master's degree
and a startup computer security biz, for my niece and nephew,
respectively.....okay okay so maybe there are better things than frittering.
<G>)
In a nice way, I've spited her. After I got married (but pre-kids) I finally
got to realize one of my squashed dreams....I got my degree in textile
design at Philadelphia College of Textiles and Sciences. Never used it, but
I did it and paid for it all on my own. And I got my pilot's license even
though I wasn't "good at math." (She did it first!)
On our visit back east this summer, Mike got a kick out of spending time
with her. And with great amusement, one night, he insisted that I've been
conned. He (and she) know that telling me I can't do something is a
sure-fire way to give me a push in the opposite direction, at least
sometimes. If it were always true, I'd be living on a sheep ranch in Montana
by now. <G>
Marisa Cappetta
trading in human misery everyday, blech!!) After two years of the BA
leading up to it, I left, got married and a couple of years later went to
art school. Never ever looked back!
Are you still living in Philly? I have relatives in Palmyra, just over the
bridge. All being well I hope to visit soon. I'd love to meet with you.
BTW I looooooooove Philly, historically so resonant.
Marisa
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wanted me to take typing so I could be a secretary. (I was already teaching
adult night school -- oil painting.) I excelled at every art form I
encountered (except perspective drawing, which was too close to math!), but she
had no faith in me.
Being an artist *is* hard work, and a tough way to earn a living. But it's not
soul-killing like filing and answering phones and typing the boss's letters for
him. I would rather slave for Art than die a slow death for Money. And I
always ended up doing art for nearly every job I had anyway. It was inevitable
and unavoidable.
>Making it as an artist is hard work, something your mom probably realised.
>I had lecturers at Uni who did not encourage their kids to go to art school.
>It is a tough way to make a living. Your mom probably wanted you to have
>life a little easier. So did mine.
~~
Sooz
Absence of stress means you're dead.
Marisa Cappetta
diva...@aol.comeatpeeps wrote on 17/9/02 1:36 PM:
Hi Sooz, sorry about the lawyer crack, as soon as I saw you I remember Kevin
is, or will soon be, a lawyer. It just wasn't for me!
Marisa
Karen_AZ
thing that kept me there was cheesesteaks, Rita's water ice, and the chaos
that is South St. I like the wide open out here in AZ much better.
I think we're bidding on a 10-acre parcel of land (with water and
everything!) next week. <nervous shiver>
Karen_AZ
always ended up doing art for nearly every job I had anyway. It was
inevitable
and unavoidable.<
Oh Sooz thank you! I needed to hear that today. On top of everything else
(see my mini rant elsewhere) I got asked to do some of that mind-numbing
semi-marketing for my current local client yesterday. I said "NO"
immediately (nicely but fast) and then squirmed all the way home wondering
if I was being an idiot.
Sooz
he's probably gonna be in Intellectual Property, copyrights and stuff.
>Hi Sooz, sorry about the lawyer crack, as soon as I saw you I remember Kevin
>is, or will soon be, a lawyer. It just wasn't for me!
>Marisa
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And when I bake
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>I said "NO"
>immediately (nicely but fast) and then squirmed all the way home wondering
>if I was being an idiot.
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Anonymous
Shes a great artist and really different kind of person.
She learned all the techniques but went into a tailspin when her
daughter died. She is in Seattle I think and lives in the international
district (usually) and is a buddhist.
Come to think of it my whole
family is a little strange
Beej
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Christina Foster Peterson
think he'll do that too? Electrical maybe?
Tina
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attorneys) need to have an engineering degree.
Tink
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among others and I never got the idea that any of them had engineering. Of
course I'm sure it would help a lot though!
Amy
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degree is in biology and psychology, and his MA is in biology).
>Patent lawyers usually need to also have an engineering degree. Do you
>think he'll do that too? Electrical maybe?
Christina Foster Peterson
do know that's different from copyright.
Tina
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Christina Foster Peterson
Maybe that's because he has a formidable mind, and computers are the hardest
thing I can think of to understand!
Tina
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have bought into the mystique created by computer scientists who
surrounded their activities with an aura of Big Intellect.
Computers are actually pedestrian, obtuse, totally dependent on input
and capable of doing only exactly what they are told. Even when what
they are told to do makes no sense. They never question their orders.
Their main usefulness is that they do what they are told very, very fast.
But I love them because they made it possible for something less than an
army be able to do something like ... publish their own magazine start
to finish using only a fraction of the resources it would have required
50 years ago. If it is a WebZine, it doesn't even kill trees.
Do instant (if we're lucky) communication on the internet.
Do the special effects for _Fellowship of the Ring_, design a bridge and
calculate the stress factors before committing it to steel and concrete.
Teach a person a lot about how to fly a plane without crashing by
-letting- them crash a hundred times without dying, so they learn the
motor skills and the unexpected factors to watch out for from experience.
Computers are dull. It's the people who continuously figure out new
purposes to put them to who are creative.
Deirdre
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that doesn't work. And according to reports by those who study such
things, statistically, a family that doesn't work is perfectly normal.
In fact, it doesn't deviate a hair from the vast majority.
Deirdre
Sooz
>thing I can think of to understand!
>
>Tina
Me too. I think he could do ANYTHING. His dream was to be a doctor, to help
people (not become rich, haw), but without the use of his hands he couldn't get
into med school. Things have loosened up a bit in the past few years, but too
late -- he loves law and can yak on about it forever. Besides, I doubt we
would've met had he been immersed in med school.......>choke!<
Sooz
>Cameron
the goddess of mediocrity
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Sooz