Looking for advice
Laurie Parten
lot of good information here. Now I'm hoping to get more good information.
I have done a few local craft shows that were a bust - didn't even make back
booth fees. People were looking for ideas, not making purchases. I would
like to ask some questions of the folks that do craft shows as I am applying
for my first juried one.
First, they require general liability insurance to include "products and
completed operations coverage". What does that mean? Does your home owners
policy carrier also provide this type of insurance? Do you pay for a year's
coverage or per show?
I am required to have a three sided back drop, 6' high, not see through. I
understand the reasoning for this. Where do you find something like this
and is it possible to find used ones? As this is my first show, finances
are limited but I want the booth to look professional.
If you are in a position to accept credit cards, how do you do that at a
show if phone lines are not available?
Do you accept personal checks at out-of-state shows?
If you have never done a particular show before, how do you know how much
inventory to take?
I know I have asked a lot of questions and I thank you for taking the time
to read and/or answer this post. Any other ideas or suggestions will be
greatly appreciated as I would like this show to be a success. Of course, I
know, that the same show may be successful one year and a bust the next but
I am hoping for the best.
Thanks,
Laurie
Lori Sousa
I can't answer all your questions, but maybe can help some.
First I want to say that it seems to me you are maybe making too big a jump
between the shows you have done and this one. I assume that by "local" shows
you mean the C of C and PTA type. There are lots of "professionally" promoted
shows, with fees about $100-200 that have good quality stuff and are not quite
so picky.
The insurance clause may simply mean that they are not liable if your booth
blows over in a high wind, trashing all your product (or for shoplifting) Some
shows require you to have liability coverage (if a customer trips over your
tent peg and breaks a leg) so they don't have to. This will be part of your
regular business ins policy (I know, you don't have one - me neither ;-l ) or
sometimes the show promoter will sell a "3day policy". No, it is not covered by
homeowners insurance (neither is the $5000 worth of stuff in your car as you
drive to the show)
If this is an indoor show, and you own a "ez-up" style canopy, you can use the
tent frame (without the roof) and improvise sides - sheets and velcro are a
minimal possibility. (assuming a 10x10 space)
Another option - latticework panels,with hinges and fabric covered.
I take checks regularly, as long as it is a pre-printed check, with a phone
number. If in doubt, ask to see a drivers liscense and ck to see if everything
matches. I have never been burnt by a NSF ck, and have never talked to a
crafter who has had it happen more than 2-3 times (in 10 years, maybe!)
If you have never done the show before and/or visited it as a shopper, you are
taking a large risk doing it at all! That said, look at the info the promoter
gives - attendance figures, avg price of items sold. See if you can get (from
the promoter) a few names of vendors who do the show every year. Ask them for
some (very rough, of course) sales figures. Sunshine Artist magazine is a good
resource for this kind of info as well. Personally, I always take everything I
have - ($3K- $5K retail) not all goes on the display.(some under table for
replenishing or for "do you have this in blue?") With jewelry, you can do
that! <g> Baskets or furniture would be tougher!
You may also find it useful to go to The Crafts Reports discussion page:
http://www.craftsreport.com/discussion/index.html
Take some time and skim thru the archives and you will find most of this
covered at some point.
One last question - if there is a long enough gap between the date when you
will get your acceptance letter and the show, you may not want to go thru any
of this until you know you are in! (you did say you were "applying" - what did
they want on the application? - slides, pics, work and/or display?)
whew. I'm gonna go rest my fingers now!
HTH
Lori Sousa
Briarrose Designs
handcrafted jewelry, traditional care, contemporary flair
Laurie Parten
Thank you for your response.
You are right about the types of shows done previously. I understand what
you are saying about making too big a jump, but I haven't been able to find
any shows that fall in between the two. I have found a lot of shows more
involved than this one and a lot more expensive. The fees for this show
(for a saturday and sunday) are $130-$200 depending on booth size and
location. I don't know how "picky" these promoters are. The info letter I
got said all merchandise had to be hand made - no problem for me. Nothing
allowed in booth that wasn't approved on application, limit of three
categories per booth. Is jewelry normally considered one category or do
they break it down for necklaces, earrings, pins, etc.?
The promoter requires a binder as proof of insurance so I guess I need to
check into this.
Yes, this is an indoor show but I don't own any style canopy. I had thought
about latticework panels but wondered about the weight and stability.
> You may also find it useful to go to The Crafts Reports discussion page:
> http://www.craftsreport.com/discussion/index.html
Thanks for the link.
>what did they want on the application? - slides, pics, work and/or display?
What I received was what they call their rules/lease agreement. They
require 3-5 pictures of work, preferably including one of booth. After they
receive this agreement back with the pictures, then they send an application
for the show. After they get that back, they let you know if you have been
accepted. The application for the show is apparently a booklet with
applications for all the shows the promoters have for the entire year.
I know this is a big jump, but I have reached a point that word-of-mouth
sales have slacked off and my web site isn't drawing many sales. I figure
that if I get into this show, that will make it easier for me for future
shows because I will already have the necessary set ups. (And maybe a
little more knowledge.)
Thanks again for responding.
Laurie
Minibeads
stuff in your car as you drive to the show) >>
Ummm, depends on the policy, though there may be maximum dollars or maximum
percentages of you household contents value. Also some may be covered under
the auto insurance, too.
But you make a valid point. Pro sellers should find out for sure how you are
insured currently when that stuff is in the vehicle and see what it would cost
to increase that amount if you need more coverage. A pro seller needs business
insurance at all stages of the game.
A non pro seller may be able to get riders on their homeowners insurance to
cover their shows or may already have it within that insurance. Sometimes this
is the cheaper route than getting totally separate insurance. Sometimes it
also depends on how local what you are doing is. Some things covered for under
50 miles might not be automatically covered for further.
Lewis
(typed homeowners insurance policies before I was a sailor and before computers
did that stuff)
CRFT456
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Marilee J. Layman
<lpa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Yes, this is an indoor show but I don't own any style canopy. I had thought
>about latticework panels but wondered about the weight and stability.
You can make a frame with PVC pipe and put a "curtain" (open hems at
top & bottom slip over the top & bottom pipes before you put the sides
in) on. This is done at SF convention art shows all the time.
--
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Bali Sterling Beads at Wholesale Prices, Retail Quantities
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Lori Sousa
><<No, it is not covered by homeowners insurance (neither is the $5000 worth
>of stuff in your car as you drive to the show) >>
>
>Ummm, depends on the policy, though there may be maximum dollars or maximum
percentages of you household contents value. Also some may be covered under
the auto insurance, too.
>
When I bought a new-to-me car this spring, the first one in forever with a loan
(and therefore worth insuring!), I asked about these things specifically.
The agent said that the auto insurance covers the car (comprehensive) and any
relevant medical costs. The contents of the car (other than people!) are not
covered. That would normally be covered under your home-owners (or renters)
policy. I asked about $$ limitations, and she said she would have to check to
be exact, but the general gist was a couple suitcases full of clothes was the
idea - nowhere near the $$$ values I needed.
btw, this is Allstate, if anyone cares.
Lori Sousa
>they break it down for necklaces, earrings, pins, etc.?
>
>
nope, by categories they usually mean:
woodworking
ceramics
watercolor
etc.
I wonder about 3 per booth - do they allow booth sharing? (might help with the
cost)
Laurie Parten
Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:hvdans8mj6vjfmoqh...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:24:07 GMT, "Laurie Parten"
> <lpa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Yes, this is an indoor show but I don't own any style canopy. I had
thought
> >about latticework panels but wondered about the weight and stability.
>
> You can make a frame with PVC pipe and put a "curtain" (open hems at
> top & bottom slip over the top & bottom pipes before you put the sides
> in) on. This is done at SF convention art shows all the time.
>
Laurie
Laurie Parten
Lori Sousa <lori...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000719012520...@ng-fw1.aol.com...
> > Is jewelry normally considered one category or do
> >they break it down for necklaces, earrings, pins, etc.?
> >
> >
>
> nope, by categories they usually mean:
> woodworking
> ceramics
> watercolor
> etc.
>
> I wonder about 3 per booth - do they allow booth sharing? (might help
with the
> cost)
>
>
crochets bedspreads that would like to do the show too. And as you stated,
sure would help with the cost. In that case, we would have two categories,
right? Jewelry and the bedspreads.
Laurie
Laurie Parten
Laurie Parten <lpa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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sides. I figure you would across the back but wondered about whether you
completely close in on the sides too.
Laurie
Lori Sousa
>right? Jewelry and the bedspreads.
>
>
that's how I would read it - a call to the promoters might clarify.
Linda Scheeren
> news:hvdans8mj6vjfmoqh...@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:24:07 GMT, "Laurie Parten"
> > <lpa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
> > You can make a frame with PVC pipe and put a "curtain" (open hems at
> > top & bottom slip over the top & bottom pipes before you put the sides
> > in) on. This is done at SF convention art shows all the time.
One thing you might want to do to make your PVC frames sturdier is to drill
holes in the connectors (in the corners), run a wire diagonally both ways
and tighten with a turnbuckle (get them at the hardware store; they're for
adjusting the tension). You'd need to go both ways on the back section, and
I'd also go from the bottom rear to the top front on the sides (only one
wire on each side). I've got a set of shelves and a table, both homemade,
and this seems to make them much more stable---a good idea since customers
seem to think that everything in an art show booth is screwed into the
ground---NOT!
I won't wish you luck at your show, just SELL OUT!
Linda
The more things change, the more they stay insane.
Minibeads
crochets bedspreads that would like to do the show too. And as you stated,
right? Jewelry and the bedspreads.>>
From what I've heard, if the booth is listed under just the one "store name" it
works. You have the items on consignment and pay her the amount of the
consignment for her assistance in the booth. Then you divide up the costs and
profits however you want; there can only be one set of receipts. But if asked,
most shows will say no sharing.
I don't do shows, but friends do. I think this info is correct. It's fudging
their rules but as far as I understand it is technically legal. Just don't
both of you distribute different business cards as that's one way the show can
decide that the rules have been bent too far.
Lewis
Marilee J. Layman
<lpa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Laurie Parten <lpa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:W7hd5.6599$o71.3...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> Marilee J. Layman <mjla...@erols.com> wrote in message
>> news:hvdans8mj6vjfmoqh...@4ax.com...
>> > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:24:07 GMT, "Laurie Parten"
>> > <lpa...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Yes, this is an indoor show but I don't own any style canopy. I had
>> thought
>> > >about latticework panels but wondered about the weight and stability.
>> >
>> > You can make a frame with PVC pipe and put a "curtain" (open hems at
>> > top & bottom slip over the top & bottom pipes before you put the sides
>> > in) on. This is done at SF convention art shows all the time.
>> >
>> That's a great idea. What size PVC pipe is generally used? 2"?
I think 3", but I'd think 2" will work, too. You can get the "stand"
pieces for the bottom PVC pipes in a lot of sizes.
>Also, if the booth space is 10 x 10, do you make it the full 10' on the
>sides. I figure you would across the back but wondered about whether you
>completely close in on the sides too.
This I don't know about, since the show is likely to have different
rules than SF con art shows. ;)
Laurie Parten
Linda Scheeren <mahoga...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:#yWH1Vc8$GA.286@cpmsnbbsa09...
>I've got a set of shelves and a table, both homemade,
> and this seems to make them much more stable---a good idea since customers
> seem to think that everything in an art show booth is screwed into the
> ground---NOT!
> I won't wish you luck at your show, just SELL OUT!
>
> Linda
> The more things change, the more they stay insane.
>
happened to see that they had the EZ Up Canopy that was a 10 X 10. It was
priced at $199.98. Is that a good price?
Laurie
Lori Sousa
the EZ Up Canopy that was a 10 X 10. It was
>priced at $199.98. Is that a good price?
>
Well, yes and no. If you go to the EZup catalog or web site and compare
prices, you will think it is a great price. But I believe that the ones sold
by Sam's and BJ's are not made to the same specs as the ones EZup markets
directly. (I can't remember *where* I came by that info, tho!) What I have
heard from most professional crafters is the EZup is not all that much better
than the really cheap canopies you can buy at Kmart. What I have done is
bought one of those ($90 on sale, no sides included) and will make it work
until I need a really good one (the "really good" ones will set you back about
$600-1,000) or give up doing outdoor shows!
Linda Scheeren
going. I've got a steel KD (don't know if they still sell them or if they
just make aluminum now) that I think we paid about $500 for ten years ago
and it's still going strong. The reason we got the steel is that it's
stronger than aluminum and we can stick our fused glass magnets onto the
uprights, saving space elsewhere for other stuff ;-) It's heavy,
though---about 75 pounds, I think.
BTW, don't believe that "up in 30 seconds" thing for 1 person. With two
people, it takes us about 5 minutes including putting up the side panels.
Linda
The more things change, the more they stay insane.
> >
> Thanks. One more question. I went by Sam's Warehouse this afternoon and
> happened to see that they had the EZ Up Canopy that was a 10 X 10. It was
> priced at $199.98. Is that a good price?
>
> Laurie
>
>
>
Nona Wentworth
uncalled for emails and THEN had the gall to tell me she would complain to MY
ISP if I wrote her back. Her name is Mary Shaffer. So everyone watch out.
I'm praying for her but I don't think even God can help.
By the way, I'm enjoying beading and the new things I have learned here. Since
I can't get to the internet other than emails, can only get to the library
about once a month and there are no beading/bookstore places here to learn, all
of you have been like wonderful teachers to me and I treasure each and (almost)
every one of you. (And, by the way, thanks to the 2 of you who had warned me
about the above mentioned person last week. You were right!) I hope all of
you are loving beading as much as you have taught me to!
Love,
Winona
I know I'm alive because death CAN'T hurt this bad!!
Nona Wentworth
many who have offered. I was unaware they cost anything (I told you I'm new!
My only catalogs have been free!) and can't believe how wonderful some of you
are to offer! I will be sending payment for the catalogs before they get
ordered because I don't want anyone to do that on their own!
How do you decide which catalogs are worth the money to spend to order them? I
know $4 here and $2 there doesn't seem like much but it really adds up. What
are the absolute best ones you recommend? I already have FireMountain (it was
free!) but will be ordering others and wonder which ones aren't worth it and
which ones are worth a fortune in gold!
Thank you for your help!
Carol Bauer
(Nona Wentworth) writes:
>How do you decide which catalogs are worth the money to spend to order them?
>I
>know $4 here and $2 there doesn't seem like much but it really adds up. What
>are the absolute best ones you recommend? I already have FireMountain
Winona,
You need to get Rio Grande's catalog. Not alot of beads but findings galore.
Shipwreck's catalog is $6.00 but if after getting if you feel you did not get
your money's worth give me a call and I will make sure you get your money back.
But the cover alone is worth $6.00 <VEG>
Carol
http://members.aol.com/CarolB1234
Minibeads
What a horrible thing to say! I can't imagine what she said privately that was
nastier than that!
Lewis
Minibeads
your money's worth give me a call and I will make sure you get your money
back.>>
It's worth way more than the $6! You'll get more than $6 worth of ideas just
from looking at all those wonderful beads. When I get into the beading blues,
I pull out my Shipwreck catalog. Cures it every time.
<<But the cover alone is worth $6.00 <VEG> >>
LOL. Yep. You should be very proud of that beadwork, Carol. It is one of the
prettiest pieces I've ever seen.
Lewis
Nona Wentworth
(Minibeads) writes:
>What a horrible thing to say! I can't imagine what she said privately that
>was
>nastier than that!
>
>Lewis
Well, things have been fixed (ISP wise and personally.) I sat down and prayed
for the strength to forgive the nastiness of that person and for God to forgive
me for lowering myself down to the same level. I apologize for the way I put
it in my email to the group. My personal thoughts about her should have stayed
just that...my own personal thoughts. I was furious at her gall and let myself
be caught up in the moment. It won't happen again! Once again, I apologize to
the group about this.
Carol Bauer
(Minibeads) writes:
>You should be very proud of that beadwork, Carol. It is one of the
>prettiest pieces I've ever seen.
Thanks Lewis. Just last week I was asked what I have in mind for the 2001
cover. I am flattered to be asked to do it again.
Carol
http://members.aol.com/CarolB1234
Marilee J. Layman
>In article <20000724224314...@ng-md1.aol.com>, mini...@aol.com
>(Minibeads) writes:
>
>>What a horrible thing to say! I can't imagine what she said privately that
>>was
>>nastier than that!
>>
>>Lewis
>
>Well, things have been fixed (ISP wise and personally.) I sat down and prayed
>for the strength to forgive the nastiness of that person and for God to forgive
>me for lowering myself down to the same level.
You don't shove god at people you're counseling, do you?
BTW, you are on the internet when you post here.
Marilee J. Layman
>There is an extremely nasty person on this group who sent me 2 totally nasty
>uncalled for emails and THEN had the gall to tell me she would complain to MY
>ISP if I wrote her back. Her name is Mary Shaffer.
I like Mary a lot more than I like you.
Russell / K.L. Mitchell
that are mentioned and information shared. I use webtv for this and it
seems to work okay.......until lately. I do have a computer and can
access the internet with that thru MSN.com, could someone please point
me in the right direction to learn about accessing this newsgroup thru
my computer so I can filter out or block certain email addresses. I
have seen references to killfiles? I would like to be able to do that
and enjoy reading this newsgroup again.
Thanks, Karen
http://community.webtv.net/catslapbaskets/doc
Minibeads
WOW!
Something with a sunken ship in it would be appropriate and look great hanging
with or near the other piece. Or coral reef look would be pretty, too.
If you have in mind making jewelry rather than a panel, a picture of hoards of
beads flowing out of a treasure chest covering most of the chest into big piles
at its base and surrounding would be pretty. Might also look quite nice in the
display windows. As long as all this was on a base and could be moved from
where created to where filmed to the display spot. Pad most the inside of the
chest finishing with a top thick layer of styrofoam so you can stick strands
flowing out on it, then a thick layer of a variety of loose beads with some
more finished jewelry laying on top, flowing out from the chest. If the base
around it was also covered in styrofoam, it would be easier to secure and
pieces of coral with necklaces dripping off them could be added. Attach some
Styrofoam to the inside lid of the chest and it, too could be filled with the
flowing beads. It would be less realistic (how would those pieces hold at that
angle) but so much more dramatic that I'd say forget the realism, besides, we
want fun fantasy more than realism. Also then, how the trunk actually looked
wouldn't be too important. Wouldn't even have to really be a trunk. Make the
lid out of styrofoam, rounded on the outside, attach dark leather where the
outside should be. For the base, a crate upside down, styrofoam on the top,
leather on the outside, . . . I think you get the picture!
LOL. You didn't even "ask" for suggestions! But all the above came to mind so
instantly that I had to write this, and I just may make something like this for
myself! Sure would be a neat way to display a lot of my lampwork, beads, and
jewelry that I love to make but is too feminine for me to wear, yet made of
beads I still want to keep. My "sailor's chest" from my seagoing days. The
proportions could vary from something super tiny to fit in a nook or big enough
that it would need "the other Carol's" house to display it right! <g> Or a
storefront at a place like Shipwreck's. I've a table near the fireplace in
mind for mine. Lights of a fire reflecting on it sure would be pretty. Might
even build it with some miniature lights in it or fiber optics with the light
source for them hidden in the base of the chest.
Lewis
Cahslc
>that it would need "the other Carol's" house to display it right! <g>
Lewis,
Heeheehee - funny you should mention this, because as I was reading your
fantastic description of sunken treasure I kept thinking "boy, I would sure
LOVE to have Lewis make me something like this for MY house!!!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! So, when do you wanna come West for a "vacation?" And as you
know by now, everybody who comes to "vacation" at my house actually ends up
working -- but I DO pay with beads - ROFLMAO!!!!
Carol Ann
http://members.aol.com/cahslc/mavis9.jpg
Carla
> http://community.webtv.net/catslapbaskets/doc
I was just admiring the necklace pouches on your webpage, made with
linen and cedar. Do you have (or could you direct me to) instructions
for making them? Responding off-list would be great.
Cheers,
Carla
----
http://home.earthlink.net/~sardonyx
Minibeads
house!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! So, when do you wanna come West for a "vacation?"
>>
LMAO! I should have known what your reaction would be. Hmmm. The 2002 Winter
Olympics are mostly being held in your house, aren't they? <g> I'd love to see
figure skating at one Olympics. You might manage to talk me into coming out
near then. You could probably get a month's work out of me, maybe 2, for some
Olympic tickets and a place to stay! <g> I'll probably take me until then to
get the first one done as that's always the hardest. Then I might be able to
get one done in a month's time.
Let's see. . . . I'll probably be in Indy through most of the summer Olympics
since I can't get cable or satelite TV down here, so I just might get started
on the first one then. I planned on finishing some UFOs during that time, now
instead I can think of using them, as is, in this project!.
Lewis
Surrend...@webtv.net
winter.... LOL. If it happens, will you take lots & lots of photo's
(especially of the project Lewis described...sounds delightful) so we
can all see? It would be most appreciated <g>.
Sylvia Sur
her informative and relevant posts for a long long time.
"Nona Wentworth" <nczo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000724203742...@nso-bj.aol.com...
> There is an extremely nasty person on this group who sent me 2 totally
nasty
> uncalled for emails and THEN had the gall to tell me she would complain to
MY
> ISP if I wrote her back. Her name is Mary Shaffer. So everyone watch
out.
> I'm praying for her but I don't think even God can help.
>
> By the way, I'm enjoying beading and the new things I have learned here.
Since
> I can't get to the internet other than emails, can only get to the library
> about once a month and there are no beading/bookstore places here to
learn, all
> of you have been like wonderful teachers to me and I treasure each and
(almost)
> every one of you. (And, by the way, thanks to the 2 of you who had warned
me
> about the above mentioned person last week. You were right!) I hope all
of
> you are loving beading as much as you have taught me to!
>
> Love,
CraftCatz9
are some folks that have built up wonderful friendships and don't want to hear
this. I'm not trying to be bitchy, but more than likely they'll stand by their
'buddy' then a newbie. I think that you'll find this true for most of the
newsgroups.
Cahslc
tickets and a place to stay!<
Lewis,
Well, the place to stay is easy (lottsa room, and I bet Becki would even share
her floor with ya if necessary - LOL), but I understand that the tickets are
gonna be real buggers to get for us local yahoos. You can bet that we'll be
trying, though (and figure skating just happens to be our favoriite, too!!). I
can't believe that Sue is even THINKIN' about moving away before the
Olympics!!!!
And your project sounds like the PERFECT way to use up UFOs and other leftover
beads!!! Now I know where to send mine <VBG>!!
Carol Ann
http://members.aol.com/cahslc/mavis9.jpg
Cahslc
Lewis described...sounds delightful<
Carol,
You bet!!! I'm a real shutterbug, and this would be quite a photo op -
LOLOLOLOL!!
Carol Ann
Sister's Auctions:
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Kate Drew-Wilkinson
with other people... but this name-calling is so sad...Nona, I am so
sorry for your troubles and the pain you have mentioned suffering..
but I would like to ask us all to lighten up and get back to the
enjoyable level of communication that has made most of this bead board
both informative and informal! On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:01:06 GMT,
"Sylvia Sur" <ss...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
--Kate Drew-Wilkinson
Jewelry Designer, Glass Bead Maker, Author, Lecturer, Teacher.
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Carol Bauer
"Sylvia Sur" <ss...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>Please do not badmouth Mary Shaffer. There are those of us who have enjoyed
>her informative and relevant posts for a long long time.
>
I agree.... be very careful about slamming people when you are so new to this
forum. I do not know what she said, but email is personal and your reactions to
it should not be shared in this newsgroup.
Carol
http://members.aol.com/CarolB1234
Carol Bauer
(Minibeads) writes:
>LOL. You didn't even "ask" for suggestions! But all the above came to mind
>so
>instantly that I had to write this, and I just may make something like this
>for
>myself!
No, I did not ask for suggestions. But I like what you suggested.
I was thinking about a flat panel like last years but something more
dimensional might be just the ticket. Speculate away Lewis, I can use all the
input I can get.
Carol
http://members.aol.com/CarolB1234
Minibeads
leftover beads!!! Now I know where to send mine <VBG>!! >>
LOL! All beads and UFOs will be cheerfully accepted!
Lewis
Minibeads
dimensional might be just the ticket. Speculate away Lewis, I can use all the
input I can get.>>
Well, if we anticipate this being a yearly event for you, then I'd say wait on
the treasure chest for another cover. I hope to know MUCH more about what I
brainstormed earlier today. Looks like I might someday be heading out that way
to build one, so I might be EASILY convinced to stop by and help you get one
started, too.
(the finishing part would be too fun to share unless the other Shipwreck folks
demand a cut of the fun.)
But I'd HAVE to get listed as a Shipwreck employee for long enough to use the
employee discount, once! <g> (though I fear that if I ever step foot in that
store, the next stop would be apartment shopping as I might not find it so easy
to leave.)
Lewis
(I'm sure having fun today!)
BeckiBead
>know by now, everybody who comes to "vacation" at my house actually ends up
>working -- but I DO pay with beads - ROFLMAO!!!!
I can attest to this. I slept for a week after I got back home. LMAO
Becki
BeckiBead
you feel about having strangers in your house. Shoot you could make enough to
keep yourself in beads for the rest of your life.
Becki
Cahslc
feel about having strangers in your house. Shoot you could make enough to keep
yourself in beads for the rest of your life.<
LOL, Becki!!! The temptation to rent out my DD's "house" is pretty strong -
LOL!!!
Cahslc
be EASILY convinced to stop by and help you get one started, too.<
Shoot, Lewis!!! Now we really DO need that gypsy wagon so you can travel
around working your bead magic!!!
Carol Bauer
(Minibeads) writes:
>But I'd HAVE to get listed as a Shipwreck employee for long enough to use the
>employee discount, once! <g> (though I fear that if I ever step foot in that
>store, the next stop would be apartment shopping as I might not find it so
>easy
>to leave.)
I did place an help wanted ad in the local paper today and the apartments I
live in have a $99 move in special going on <VEG>
Carol
http://members.aol.com/CarolB1234
Mary Shafer
> I asked if anyone could help me in getting some catalogs and want to
> thank the many who have offered. I was unaware they cost anything
> (I told you I'm new! My only catalogs have been free!) and can't
> believe how wonderful some of you are to offer! I will be sending
> payment for the catalogs before they get ordered because I don't
> want anyone to do that on their own!
Nona, the new Rio Grande gems & findings catalog has finally come out
(I got mine yesterday) and it, like their tool and display catalogs,
is completely free. There's not nearly the choice in beads that some
other catalogs have, but the finding are wonderful. Call (800)
545-6566 and ask for both the gem & findings and tool catalogs. You
won't be disappointed. You may think at first that the tool catalog
is too much aimed at people manufacturing jewelry, but if you keep
looking you'll find wonderful things that will make beading much
easier. Their prices are very good, too, particularly for the
middle-of-the-line products like pliers and cutters.
Incidentally, I was wrong in my e-mail about General Beads not having
an 800 number, but I forgot to bring the catalog in and, as I
mentioned, they didn't advertise in the September/October issue of
Beadwork, which is the only resource I have at work (I got
disorganized because I had to spend yesterday getting the switch that
opens the side door, extends the under-floor ramp, and lowers my
husband's wheelchair-adapted van fixed, as it was only opening the
door, not doing all the rest). I also failed to mention that their
catalog is free if you order any of their bead samplers and you might
really like the Delica sampler (about three grams each of ten colors)
and the new Delica colors sampler (about one gram each of something
like thirty colors). Neither is a real bargain per bead but both are
a wonderful introduction to Delicas and do provide a nice selection of
colors in quantities more than sufficient for earrings or other small
pieces. I'll bring it in tomorrow, although someone else may be able
to provide it.
Incidentally, my grocery store doesn't sell Beadwork, either. I found
out about it because I subscribe to another of their magazines,
Piecework, but I've never seen Beadwork on a shelf. But then, my area
doesn't have any bead shops, where I might expect to see it. If you
would like to subscribe, you can call (800) 340-7496 but it costs
$24.95 for one year (6 issues). I think Bead & Button and Jewelry
Crafts are both less expensive. If you do subscribe, you'll find that
you can tell a lot about bead sellers from the ads. You'll be able to
tell which sellers carry general lines and supplies and which only
carry high-grade semi-precious gemstone beads or lamp beads just by
looking at the ads.
> How do you decide which catalogs are worth the money to spend to
> order them? I know $4 here and $2 there doesn't seem like much but
> it really adds up. What are the absolute best ones you recommend?
> I already have FireMountain (it was free!) but will be ordering
> others and wonder which ones aren't worth it and which ones are
> worth a fortune in gold!
Among the catalogs I listed in my e-mail to you was Rings & Things,
which I think is even better than Fire Mountain, particularly for
quality. They do have a charge for orders under their minimum but the
minimum is fairly low ($50 I think). You can save up to meet the
minimum or maybe find other beaders in your area and join up to make
an order over the minimum, and get more for your money as their prices
are very good. Not only do you get a thick catalog at once, but they
send out smaller updates regularly and they've got a good idea of
what's selling _now_ and try to have the supplies on hand so that
people can stay competitive at craft fairs, etc. For example, they
were the first general catalog I saw to offer stretch cord and all the
crystal colors, as well as the triple-drilled and toggle beads, for
the crystal and power bracelets that are so popular right now.
Beadcats, Shipwreck Beads, Beads Galore, and Beyond Beadery are all
very good general sources, too. Beadcats has the very best selection
of stringing material I've seen. Gypsy Wind carries lovely crystal
beads that are now out of production, but is a bit expensive.
Ornamental Resources has the most eclectic collection of decorative
items I can imagine, but often quantities are limited because they
offer such unusual items, and the catalog is very expensive. Caravan
Beads mostly carries seed beads, at very good prices, and also carries
the Mirrix loom at a lower price than Fire Mountain's.
--
Mary Shafer
sha...@orville.dfrc.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA
Senior Handling Qualities Research Engineer
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards, CA
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BeckiBead
>around working your bead magic!!!
>
I know someone who lives just one little state away with a brand new car....LOL
Becki
Cahslc
>car....LOL<
Perfect, Becki!!! You can just pick Lewis up on your way here - ROFL!!!
Minibeads
OMG. You DRIVE all the way there? I assumed you flew. Right now I find it
tough to drive the 50 miles between Indy and my home! But I think that will
change, and one of these days . . . Hmmm. . .
Lewis
Lori Sousa
>tough to drive the 50 miles between Indy and my home!
must be a leftover from too much traveling in your younger days! I drive 30
miles each way to work every day! (used to be 45 each way)
Last Friday I left work (at 12:30 midnight) drove the 120 miles from work to
Cape Cod for a weekend visit/craft fair.
My new-to-me car, which I took possesion of April 10, has clocked almost 7000
miles since then!
Lori Sousa
Briarrose Designs
handcrafted jewelry, traditional care, contemporary flair
Mary Shafer
> Incidentally, I was wrong in my e-mail about General Beads not having
> an 800 number,
The free number, (800) 572-1302, is only for faxes. Their voice
number in San Diego (well, National City, really), which is the store
that handles mail order is (619) 336-0100.
> I also failed to mention that their
> catalog is free if you order any of their bead samplers and you might
> really like the Delica sampler (about three grams each of ten colors)
> and the new Delica colors sampler (about one gram each of something
> like thirty colors). Neither is a real bargain per bead but both are
> a wonderful introduction to Delicas and do provide a nice selection of
> colors in quantities more than sufficient for earrings or other small
> pieces.
I just realized that I'd managed to pick up a really old edition of
the catalog, like 1998 or so, so the prices are probably wrong, but
their ad in this month's Jewelry Craft says that they have four times
as much merchandise on their web site, www.genbead.com, than they do
in their catalog, so you might want to go directly there. Still, the
samplers are good bargains, with a dozen 4.5 g vials in the sampler,
33 new colors in _tiny_ vials in that sampler, 20 different triangle
beads in three sizes, a bunch of twisted hexagonal beads, 8 size 8
delicas, 13 vials for Czech bugle beads plus 15 vials of Czech seed
beads, and 500-1000 g of Indian (the subcontinent) beads, all for
varying prices, at least in my old catalog. I know I got at least
three of the Miyuki (Delica and others) samplers just a couple of
months ago, so they're still selling them.
The new colors in the tiny vials are just incredible. The vials are
genuinely tiny, but there are still quite a few beads in each.
> I think Bead & Button and Jewelry
> Crafts are both less expensive.
This month's Jewelry Crafts has a card in it offering one year (6
issues, just like Beadwork) for $12.00, which is half the newsstand
price. You can call (800) 528-1024 to subscribe. Be sure to mention
you've got a card with the $12.00 rate, as the usual rate is $15.00.
Mary Shafer
> This month's Jewelry Crafts has a card in it offering one year (6
> issues, just like Beadwork) for $12.00, which is half the newsstand
> price. You can call (800) 528-1024 to subscribe.
Oops, I just called that number to change my address (our post office
moved but the new numbering scheme meant our old box didn't make the
move) and I discovered that the number has changed to (800) 784-5709,
probably just after they went to press with the October issue.
Mary Shafer
The Caravan Beads that sells delicas and Mirrix looms at such good
prices is (800) 230-8941 and they don't have a catalog but a Web site,
www.caravanbeads.com, and will send a price list free by e-mail,
info.caravanbeads.com. They're a real pleasure to do business with
and I recommend them highly. They also sell C-Flex, being the sole
distributer, in fact.
I don't know anything about the Caravan in Chicago that I gave you the
number for from Beadwork, and they may be a very good company, too,
but _this_ Caravan Beads sponsors the Delica Challenges and puts out a
wonderful book that really the catalog of the Challenge. I fell in
love with the first book, particularly the "Sorry, Charlie" entry (the
employees at Caravan agreed with me, so a picture may be available on
the Web site). The second Challenge is over, but the third, with the
theme "Out of this World", is still open. There are rules on size and
bead content, which you'll find on their site, I believe. If I could
figure out how to make a black SR-71 without pandering to the false
belief that it can leave the atmosphere, I'd be tempted to enter, even
though I'd probably go blind making something that big entirely from
little black delicas.
Cahslc
Nah, Lewis -- we wouldn't want to lose that may hours of bead-playing time!!!
Course, if she had the opportunity to pick up a sailor on the way....
Nona Wentworth
when people go out of their way to be kind. You are a wonderful wealth of
information and I will enjoy learning from you.
Surrend...@webtv.net
<<Nah, Lewis -- we wouldn't want to lose that may hours of bead-playing
time!!! Course, if she had the opportunity to pick up a sailor on the
way.... >>
Carol, I swore I would stay off the newsgroup until my newsreader
program got rid of the "Hurtful remark" header, but as so many people
are responding to various other questions in the thread, I thought I'd
take a peek and see if I was missing anything....
I was almost literally on the floor laughing my head off over your
response to Lewis. Thanks for the priceless comment of the day!
one of the many Carols
BeckiBead
>
>
>
Carol -- Right after I got the car, I figured the driving distance and decided
that if I EVER drove to SLC, it would have to be to move there. LOL. It is a
solid three days of never getting out of the car, I hate that.
Becki
BeckiBead
LMAO
Cahslc
Bec - COOL!! I think your car will hold all your beads, and who needs anything
else??? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Ceg
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"Nona Wentworth" <nczo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000724203742...@nso-bj.aol.com...
> There is an extremely nasty person on this group who sent me 2 totally
nasty
> uncalled for emails and THEN had the gall to tell me she would complain to
MY
> ISP if I wrote her back. Her name is Mary Shaffer. So everyone watch
out.
> I'm praying for her but I don't think even God can help.
>
> By the way, I'm enjoying beading and the new things I have learned here.
Since
> I can't get to the internet other than emails, can only get to the library
> about once a month and there are no beading/bookstore places here to
learn, all
> of you have been like wonderful teachers to me and I treasure each and
(almost)
> every one of you. (And, by the way, thanks to the 2 of you who had warned
me
> about the above mentioned person last week. You were right!) I hope all
of
> you are loving beading as much as you have taught me to!
>
> Love,
Kate Drew-Wilkinson
second the comment about badmouthing anybody...Nona, since you joined
this board, we have had to experience what looks to be a pretty
endless thread of distress.. I am so sorry for the things that seem to
be going wrong for you but please gentle down and help us to enjoy
each other...Peace, Kate.On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:01:06 GMT, "Sylvia
Sur" <ss...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Please do not badmouth Mary Shaffer. There are those of us who have enjoyed
>her informative and relevant posts for a long long time.
>
>
>"Nona Wentworth" <nczo...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20000724203742...@nso-bj.aol.com...
>> There is an extremely nasty person on this group who sent me 2 totally
>nasty
>> uncalled for emails and THEN had the gall to tell me she would complain to
>MY
>> ISP if I wrote her back. Her name is Mary Shaffer. So everyone watch
>out.
>> I'm praying for her but I don't think even God can help.
>>
>> By the way, I'm enjoying beading and the new things I have learned here.
>Since
>> I can't get to the internet other than emails, can only get to the library
>> about once a month and there are no beading/bookstore places here to
>learn, all
>> of you have been like wonderful teachers to me and I treasure each and
>(almost)
>> every one of you. (And, by the way, thanks to the 2 of you who had warned
>me
>> about the above mentioned person last week. You were right!) I hope all
>of
>> you are loving beading as much as you have taught me to!
>>
>> Love,
>> Winona
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I know I'm alive because death CAN'T hurt this bad!!
>
>
--Kate Drew-Wilkinson
GlassOrchid
Why are you replying to something that was posted two months ago and is a
long dead issue?
...or is this some weird computer glitch?
Nancy
"Kate Drew-Wilkinson" <be...@theriver.com> wrote in message
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BeadR Dee
>
> Kate:
>
> Why are you replying to something that was posted two months ago and is a
> long dead issue?
> ...or is this some weird computer glitch?
>
> Nancy
I use Netscape, and it does seem to have been throwing in old posts on
all my active newsgroups. Don't know what's up......
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Karleen Page
get confused!!! And yesterday it posted one item multiple times. ARGHHH
"BeadR Dee" <dwoo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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GlassOrchid
from two months ago too....
Those darn elves in the wire again!
Nancy
"Karleen Page" <jew...@vibrantpages.com> wrote in message
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Kate Drew-Wilkinson
before I left!On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:14:23 GMT, "GlassOrchid"
<glass@EATSPAMDON'TPOSTITglassorchids.com> wrote:
>Kate:
>
>Why are you replying to something that was posted two months ago and is a
>long dead issue?
>...or is this some weird computer glitch?
>
>Nancy
>
>"Kate Drew-Wilkinson" <be...@theriver.com> wrote in message
>news:397e53e1....@news.theriver.com...