Bids on Polyclay (Justbeads)
BeckiBead
pendants that Kandice posted about a week or so ago. I'm not much for clay
beads but I was really drawn to those. And folks -- I am totally blown away by
the number of bids on clay beads at Justbeads! It seems, to me, to be almost
unbelievable. I know polyclay is very labor intensive, so don't yell at me for
what I am about to say, but there is bead after bead selling in the high 20's
and to me that is a lot of money for a polyclay bead (again, YES I know how
labor intensive they are, much more so than lampwork so don't give me the "you
are just uneducated" speech).
I have two friends at Ebay who have given up, already, for the summer because
of a low amount of bids or low dollar amounts. It sure doesn't seem to be a
problem here.
And, I am SURE that someone has already posted this, but this just blew me
away. (Guess what -- it is floral, LOL):
http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=737721284
Becki
"In between the moon and you, the angels have a better view of the crumbling
difference between wrong and right.." -- Counting Crows
Nita, White Raven Designs
Hmm... I have some tiny perfume oil bottles about the place somewhere.....
--
Warmest Regards,
Nita,
White Raven Designs.
view my current auctions at.....
www.stores.ebay.com.au/id=41299363
BeckiBead <beck...@aol.combuybeads> wrote in message
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Kandice Seeber
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Air & Earth Designs
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"BeckiBead" <beck...@aol.combuybeads> wrote in message
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JustBeads Admin
prices on collectables are down 35% since 2000 and that sellers are
completing 18% fewer successful auctions, we are happy to shout from the
roof-tops that, thanks to the beading community, the JustBeads.com Bead
Auction Site, (http://www.justbeads.com), is continuing to grow at a
phenomenal rate. Our aggressive advertising campaigns combined with the
best customer service available anywhere has resulted in more than 100 new
registrations each week, a surge in the number of total current listings,
bids, completed transactions and a general upward surge in all of our growth
statistics. Add our commitment to Artists and their specific mediums,
(Lampwork, Polymer & ceramic), and we believe we have created the ideal mix!
Thank you for noticing!
Bob
ad...@justbeads.com
http://www.justbeads.com
"BeckiBead" <beck...@aol.combuybeads> wrote in message
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BeckiBead
us.
tatercat
there is bead after bead selling in the high 20's
> and to me that is a lot of money for a polyclay bead
> Becki
Becki...
May I ask why you think the high 20's is a lot of money for a polymer bead?
Thanks, Jill ^..^TatercatStudio
See my interview at www.pcpolyzine.com
http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=62100
http://hobbystage.net/art/tatercat/
http://www.justbeads.com/user/artist/tatercat/gallerybio.cfm
BeckiBead
Big sigh. What I meant to say is that I think that is a good bid, a nice price,
to obtain for poly clay. Because it didn't used to go as high as lampwork
beads, and now they command good prices on their own.
annie_who?
and to me that is a lot of money for a polyclay bead...."
Becki you said exactly what you meant, this is quite clear in your
post. Just as clear is the fact that you knew you would be confronted
with reactions of disagreement to your opinion on the value of polymer
clay work and knew many of these reactions would be fueled by the hurt
feelings and/or anger your opinion stirred. You're entitled to your
opinion, you gave it now don't back down from it.
I've never done lampwork so I don't have any facts(actual material
costs, skill or talent levels, time & labor involved, etc.) or
experience to base any opinion on *lampwork VS polymer clay* value, so
I won't even go there. But I do know the public/client determines much
of the *sale-ability value*(ok, so maybe that's my own made-up word,
but ya get the gist of it BG) in the here & now of a crafted component
or piece, and even the medium to a certain extent. And I, for one, am
a proud & *partial to* polymer clay/mixed media crafts(wo)man that's
going to take this opportunity to stand-up and shout "IT'S ABOUT DANG
TIME!" 'Nuff said on my opinion on the value of polymer clay creations
today, except for ringing my own bell a bit.......
http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=737044688
I may be way off base on this, but what I'm getting from your post is
frustration.......your thing is lampwork so you're partial &
protective of it. I can understand that completely, I just don't
happen to agree with your opinion that it's suprising that polymer
clay is wanted by so many clients and at good auction(or wholesale,
how ever you look at it)prices. We, as polymer clay crafts(wo)men,
have felt the exact same way only toward polymer clay. You're just
feeling(& expressing) what we have been feeling(& expressing) for a
very, very long time.
annie_who?
check-out my auctions at JustBeads.com(tee-hee-hee!)
http://www.justbeads.com/search/search_results.cfm?search_type=seller_search&search_text=61869&search_name=Search+by+Seller&auction_mode=0
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BeckiBead
and that great. I was frustrated that I didn't express it right. Poly clay
bead makers didn't jump in to the fray when there was a big too-doo over how
much to charge for their product. It would be impossible to get paid at an
hourly rate for what it takes to make a clay bead. I wasn't cutting on them or
the process. I own many.
BeckiBead
community in general. I started making Friendly Plastic jewelry, and was told
not to do plastic any more. I participated in an earring swap on AOL and was
kicked out because my beads were not "high quality" (I was buying mostly from
the craft stores then). When I first started buying lampwork, THAT wasn't good
enough either. I was "taught" -- read smacked into submission -- that only
glass (but not india glass), real silver and gold and other "real" materials
were worth working with. Then I found out that many of the semi-precious beads
that I work with had been dyed, heat-processed and otherwise dressed up to take
what was one thing and make it look like another. A lot of the material I use
today still falls under that category.
There is another thread on Ian St. something, the guy who sells under the
Stanley Hagler line. He does wire on brass. Brass is considered a "costume"
jewelry item, no matter how much these pieces sell for. There is a lot of
snobbishness in the jewelry community. There is snobbishness right here on the
recc.crafts boards -- try going to the Jewelry board and tell them you string
beads. That is NOT making jewelry in a lot of people's opinion. Metalwork is
considered jewelry-making there. Some of the snobbishness is taught and some
of it is popular opinion; most of it needs to be thrown out the window. Shoot
I bought some vintage plastic (yes I said plastic) flowers for a friend
recently and paid more than I have paid for vintage glass flowers in the past.
Mostly, I can't imagine anyone telling me what I meant or what I think. I am
not a "lampwork" person -- haven't even bought any in a long time, don't own
much. If I am anything these days, I would guess it is a "jade" person or
maybe a silver person? Those are elements that have been consistent in my
jewelry from the beginning.
And, in general -- There is nothing more irritating on the internet than
someone telling you "what you meant" and, in this case, what I expected from
others, LOL. You have got to be kidding. Interpret your own thoughts, please
and leave mine alone.
I also reserve the right to backpeddle from any or all things I wish. I am not
sure I am all that coordinated, that I can manage to backpeddle nicely and in a
straight line and all, but I still reserve the right to do so.
KatieLiz11
Stop beating yourself up. I knew what you meant in your original post.
Until recently, I thought the only good polyclay bead worth spending serious
money on was a KLEW bead.
The next polyclay person to make me take notice was Jill (tatercat).
To me, polyclay was just a higher form of Play-Doh. Well... Doh on me!! LOL
Since I've started reading this forum, I see that there are several other
talented artists in the polyclay field.
So, I think I knew what you were saying and I didn't see it as a backhanded
compliment at all.
~~ KatieLiz ~~
http://www.beadweaverdreams.com
simply_annie
meant so then you come back to explain what you meant but not to answer
Jill's question. And what you said you expected in response to that type of
post isn't what you meant you actually expected, so now you're irritated
that what you said you expected did happen instead of what you really meant
you expected. You're absolutely right, you have the right to backpeddle all
you want.
Sorry you're irritated but you'll just have to excuse me for exercising my
right to express my opinion also and to defend my fellow
artists/crafts(wo)men, the medium I've chosen and it's value.
I know I'm an outsider here and have already been branded the bad-guy
because I chose to disagree publicly with "one of your own" here on "your
turf". So don't sweat it, you'll get a lot of support and everyone will
understand you didn't mean what you said, you meant all of that other stuff
you said. I'll take the heat gladly because anything worth defending is
worth taking the heat for. Just know although my voice may be the only one
*seen* here, the buzz of your post spread through the pc community(that's
how I heard about it) and offense was taken by many from hobbyist to
published craftswomen. So I can't apologize for my response, I feel my
opinion is in keeping with some very astute and respectable fellow
craftsmen.
<annie quietly bowing out of your nice supportive community, never to bring
gray clouds over it again.>
"BeckiBead" <beck...@aol.combuybeads> wrote in message
PoRRo
polyclay
> pendants that Kandice posted about a week or so ago. I'm not much for
clay
> beads but I was really drawn to those. And folks -- I am totally blown
away by
> the number of bids on clay beads at Justbeads! It seems, to me, to be
almost
> unbelievable. I know polyclay is very labor intensive, so don't yell at
me for
> what I am about to say, but there is bead after bead selling in the high
20's
> and to me that is a lot of money for a polyclay bead (again, YES I know
how
> labor intensive they are, much more so than lampwork so don't give me the
"you
> are just uneducated" speech).
Lol,
It seems that finally the buying audience has found out how good material
polymer clay is. Oh well, its not news that plastic beads used to be/are
considered less than glass beads, no matter what they are. People used to be
uneducated and think clay is "just plastic." If they thought that as
"ceramical material" like earthen clay or porceline, they would not have
such a problems understanding the popularity - and success. Most of the
earthen clay or porceline is only based on some natural particles, but
nowadays (at least in Finland where I am from) I see a lot of factoru
manufactured "natural" materials in craft field. The material is not the
only thing that matters on how "interesting" a bead is. Some sell old chiken
bones dipped into acid and paints and drilled as beads: some eat the chiken
and toss the bones to trash.
Lately some really really good bead makers have been selling on justbeads.
There have been some really stunning works for sale there. No wonder the
prise of them has risen over 20 and more ! The general guality of
workmanship in polymerclay has risen a lot, and JustBeads might be the
reason: if the audience appriciates the beads, it is more rewarding to work
"better". (What ever that better is here)
Besides, even as a polyclayer, I sometimes get surprised from how much
people are willing to pay from a single bead. Made from ANY material.
Nothing to do with the admiration of any material, just simple "huh, so
people will spend THAT much for a single bead on their jewellery.
Whadduyouknow".
Sometimes value of items is odd thing. Watching Ebay has made me realise it
does not have to have nothing to do with estethics or artistic values of a
piece. Even the most hideous thing can be a hot sale, and even some really
high end items might end up non sale. Ebay has been and still is a place
where people both sell quality crafts like it was fleamarket old junk - and
also sell low end stuff as high quality crafts. Its odd market, and I cant
say that I understand the logic of it :)
Just my opinions of course. Not intend to force anyone to aggree or
dissagree. Just cant pass this juicy start of a discussion...
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http://www.saunalahti.fi/theporro/
Diana Curtis
what you said (how you said it). Your post made me think about all the
discussions in the polymer clay newsgroup about how to get polymer clay
items taken seriously in the art world. The prices for some of the clay work
on ebay shows that poly *is* now being given some of the respect it
deserves. It surprised me too that it is happening already. The discussions
I spoke of were taking place only a year or so ago.
So, it took me a while to figure out why I agreed with your post and how to
respond, I didnt figure you were disrespecting poly, why would you? Its
pretty stuff sometimes! And hey, if I misinterpeted your OP, I apologize.
But if I didnt, then .. I agree!
Hows that for a long *me too* post?
Diana
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"BeckiBead" <beck...@aol.combuybeads> wrote in message
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BeckiBead
the vessel that I posted here as an example? The reason I liked it so well was
because it had Klew-like leaves in 3-D -- a technique I particularly like.
BeckiBead
>Diana
>
Kisses to you in an appropriately nice place. LOL
BeckiBead
was this: a) It seems as if Justbeads is doing really well, when others
aren't and b) there were a LOT of bids on the polyclay beads there. There are
not a lot of bids anywhere. I also believe I said this was good for everyone.
What I meant by that was: It is good for everyone.
No one is saying you can't have an opinion and the parts of your post where you
do have an opinion is fine. It was the interpretation of my opinion (or your
opinion of my opinion) that is out of whack.
Sjpolyclay
times in 18 years. And when I started beading, my mentor, who I respect
tremendously, would absolutely WAIL if I mixed semi-precious with acrylics.
Bottom line for me is---I like how it looks, or I don't.
I still mix media. And I still use PLASTIC. it'll be here after I'm
gone---maybe not as long as brass statues or silver, but hey, I'm enjoying it
NOW!!
Sarajane Helm
Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery
http://www.polyclay.com
come see my auctions at Just Beads:
http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=Sarajane
Dr. Sooz
>because I chose to disagree publicly with "one of your own" here on "your
>turf".
Hey hey hey. Nobody said that. Probably nobody thought it. Don't put
yourself down, or label yourself like that. I strongly defend your right to
say anything you want -- and say it freely. "Bad Guy"? Hey! Who said you
were a Bad Guy?
~~
Sooz
-------
ESBC
You've got to ac-centuate the positive,
E-liminate the negative,
And latch on to the affirmative --
Don't mess with Mr. In-Between!
Dr. Sooz
This is a lot of hoo-hah over nothing. Tell all the polyclay people to come
over and have some tea! I'll bring some flaky cinnamon pastry twists (they're
gooood and lo-fat).
>Just know although my voice may be the only one
>*seen* here, the buzz of your post spread through the pc community(that's
>how I heard about it) and offense was taken by many from hobbyist to
>published craftswomen.
Dr. Sooz
too upset over nothing. You are welcome here, and so are the other astute
fellow craftswomen and men.
>So I can't apologize for my response, I feel my
>opinion is in keeping with some very astute and respectable fellow
>craftsmen.
Deirdre S.
quality components and media" -- if the design is good and it enhances
the wearer, and pleases the viewer... that is my idea of a successful
creation, whatever goes into it. Plastic, pewter, drilled watermelon
seeds, who cares?
Deirdre
CrystalLuv
about each medium. If you favor glass, that is your personal taste.
I understand how a person who favors polymer clay could have been
offended, since I use it primarily in my creations. I also have other
materials I admire and use such as lampwork glass, and crystal, and
silver. So expressing personal choice may have been exterted too
strongly and taken too negatively by other's.
Polymer clay has been gaining respect in it's own right. Negativism
from peers within a chosen medium discredits that medium and causes
more harm than good. Remarks from someone who prefers another medium
is generally misconstrued, and often not validated due to the lack of
knowledge about the medium being criticized.
Keep the peace among all groups... Postive encouragement is what we
teach our children, so that is what we should preach everywhere. Dar
Karlee in Kansas
pretty???????????????
A lot of times I use them so that the weight of my piece isn't so heavy, and
for price constraints. Besides, its a little harder to crack a plastic
round faceted bead than it is to crack a crystal bead.
Karlee in Kansas
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"Sjpolyclay" <sjpol...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Deborah
I read through this thread and don't understand where the hurt feelings are
coming from. It ~is~ amazing that bead after bead is getting high
bids....auctions seem to suck right now for many sellers.
As far as what one would pay for an item, well, here's a little comparison:
a friend of mine just bought a very nice (but nothing special) silver chain
at a jewelry store. She paid $85.00 for it. (she doesn't make jewelry or
anything...) She thought this was a great price. I would rather walk across
hot coals barefoot than spend $85.00 for a silver chain. But, hey, that's
me. I like wholesale...and I love silver!
I have sold polymer clay beads (that I made...) as well as glass beads that
I have purchased. I am ~thrilled~ to see auctions doing well for polymer
clay artists, glass artists, and anyone else that is able to make a living
on the auctions. It's good for the sellers. And when the sellers make good
money, they buy more (and often better) stock or they offer more labor
intensive items. Good for everyone in beadland! Yay!
All the best,
Deborah
"annie_who?" <casp...@shawneelink.com> wrote in message >
Dr. Sooz
have packed up and left, apparently, so they'll never know that.
>I am ~thrilled~ to see auctions doing well for polymer
>clay artists, glass artists, and anyone else that is able to make a living
>on the auctions. It's good for the sellers. And when the sellers make good
>money, they buy more (and often better) stock or they offer more labor
>intensive items. Good for everyone in beadland! Yay!
Dr. Sooz
>have packed up and left,
This is a pet peeve of mine. People who join into discussions on NGs, say
their piece, and then proclaim, "I'm not going to discuss this any more with
you," or "That's all I'm going to say, I'm out of here."
As if! As if they were morally superior by having the last word. Haw! Or as
if it's even remotely fair to say something provocative, then leave without
listening to the other person's view. It's exasperating, sure, but it's also
controlling and childish. And a cheap shot.
Mary Shafer
wrote:
> Thanks, Katie. I have a Klew bead that I spent well over $100 for, and in fact
> the vessel that I posted here as an example? The reason I liked it so well was
> because it had Klew-like leaves in 3-D -- a technique I particularly like.
I have just realized that Klew is famous. He has a studio and shop in
Tehachapi, CA, which is a little dink town known best for the railroad
loop and the fruit and nut festival. I had been mildly curious about
an actual bead shop so close to me, but not curious enough to go see
it, until now.
Mary
--
Mary Shafer mil...@qnet.com
Retired aerospace research engineer
"The guy you don't see will kill you." BGEN Robin Olds, USAF
Dr. Sooz
>Tehachapi, CA, which is a little dink town known best for the railroad
>loop and the fruit and nut festival. I had been mildly curious about
>an actual bead shop so close to me, but not curious enough to go see
>it, until now.
Run, don't walk! (And it's Karen Lewis -- she's definitely female.)
http://www.klewexpressions.com/
Diana Curtis
Diana
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"BeckiBead" <beck...@aol.combuybeads> wrote in message
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BeckiBead
variety and Bali Silver. They are so stunning that I could not bring myself to
sell them, LOL. I wear them all the time.
BeckiBead
>bids....auctions seem to suck right now for many sellers.
From the woman whose polyclay beads (now pendants) I can't bring myself to
sell, LOL. OK, maybe I am the one that got too upset. It is just that I went
to Justbeads to BUY some polyclay, couldn't find the specific ones I wanted and
was impressed by (the rest is history). I really didn't want to buy those
pendants so that I could bring them home and disrespect them in private. I
wanted to wear them, LOL.
BeckiBead
>Tehachapi, CA
Only it is a she! Karen Klew-Lewis.
wwytch
waiting for my tea and cookies...
:-)
Carla
diva...@aol.compuppies (Dr. Sooz) wrote in message news:<20030522175209...@mb-m04.aol.com>...
BeckiBead
tatercat
Howdy Sooz...
I've been busy making beads...but I'm around. Just watching the fireworks! :-)
No hurt feelings...just had a question. That's why I asked in the first place.
Check this one out..it has polymer AND glass!
http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=738221270
Jill ^..^
BeckiBead
over this.
CrystalLuv
I wasn't upset by your comment. Just wanted to say how some people
might have been. I have heard much worse from those who dis others in
their own field of expertise. Yet they don't think that is a problem,
unless someone does it to them.
I have learned that getting upset is really a big waste of time and
energy. That energy could have been put to good use. This is what I
made last night after focusing my energy into a positive feeling. Dar
http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=738191610
BeckiBead
annie_who?
course I'm compelled to respond to your false accusations that you
would have everyone here believe about me. Fair enough?
First off I never said here or on any board that *my* feelings were
hurt, although others did state theirs was. Since she herself claims
she didn't mean what she said, she meant something else, then it only
goes to reason she herself knew what she said was open to a vast
interpretation, negativeness a given. Being a PC'er I don't try to lay
the responsibility on nor *expect* lampworkers(or any other art medium
craftsmen) to educate the public on polymer clay or try to raise the
level of polymer clay crafts/art or defend polymer clay
craftsmen/artist and their medium......as I'm sure none of them expect
that from PC'ers. You have a large group here with a lot of lurkers. I
tried to UNplant those seeds of negativeness that was planted by an
open-ended interpretation left by the insinuation that $20bucks was
high to give for polymer clay beads.
Someone on here said I was upset over nothing or something like that.
They had it all wrong, I was never bent about it. I saw negative seeds
being planted and tried to turn it into an opportunity to sing the
praises of polymer clay. You never saw me go into all the time, labor,
small detail work that's done, how long it takes just to get a fine
professional finish on a polymer clay piece. I didn't go into a tiraid
on how many of those pc beads that are going for $20 that just in
labor their value is well over $40. No, I wasn't upset till I was
pointed back over here because someone had such *nice things* to say
about me. BG! I take offense that you have tried to label me childish
& controlling. I meant what I said and said what I meant, I didn't
need to explain & re-explain anything so what would have been more
childess? Sticking around when I saw the posse gathering supporting
the *cry of foul* instead of addressing the foul?.....Or saying my
piece and bowing out? Becki & I could have had a good discussion, but
there were obvious jabs at me in her response and she was being
supported in doing so, so there wasn't any point in persuing a one on
one where no one was trying to understand where my position was coming
from, just purely supporting a friend. And the main reason I tried to
bow out is because I knew someone was going to do exactly what you've
done here......just had to keep that little bit of friction going by
making it personal. That makes people nervous, even if someone is
saying what they themselves would like to say. To read it in their
safe on-line communities makes them terribly jittery. I'm really not
that kind of person. I don't take cheap shots at someones back after
they've excused themselves. I came here to counter some negativeness,
only to have that turned into a negative and someone attack my
character that doesn't even know me. But I've found that's par for the
course on the internet. Just as being left-out to hang all by myself
when I actually say what others are saying they feel. Oh well
tomorrow's another day. Please accept my apologies for any uneasiness
or irritation I've caused you and your board. With your permission,
toodle-loo.
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Rachel T.
....An elephant is faithful 100%.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
>there were obvious jabs at me in her response and she was being
>supported in doing so,
There are "obvious jabs" in Becki's response to *anybody*. And if you think
about it, there's obvious jabs in everybody's posts towards everybody else, if
that's the way someone chooses to take the comments. It's next to impossible to
"read" inflection. (that wasn't a dig on Becki, BTW, just to clarify)
I think the main problem was that you came out of the gate like a bull in a
china shop. Again this falls into the inflection thing.
On this board, it seems to me that there are more lampworkers than clay
artists. I could be wrong, but the clay people don't really go into lengthy
explainations about the process. Maybe if they did, those of us who know
nothing about it would appreciate it that much more.
IMO, *nobody* is getting the fair value of any kind of bead right now. It's a
shame really.
Rachel T.
"Discovery consists of looking at the same thing as everyone else and thinking
something different." -Roger Von Oech
JustBeaded
Valerie, Nita, and Jill.
I dabble with PC and it's much more labor-intensive than beadwork, IMO.
Choosing colors, design, making canes, slicing, placing, baking, sanding,
buffing/glazing....whew. Hats off to those who can create something so
beautiful.
I don't have the patience to take my time with PC. Beadwork is more instant
gratification to me. So I admire those who have the patience and talent to
make the clay a work of art.
Linda2
Deirdre S.
Deirdre
On 22 May 2003 21:43:19 -0700, moder...@excite.com (CrystalLuv)
wrote:
Sjpolyclay
>Tehachapi, CA
Klew is a woman, and a very interesting one. She does lovely work and is well
respected in the polymer clay world.
Sjpolyclay
I LOVE mixing polyclay beads and Bali Silver...I went a little overboard and
bought a small but tidy pile of Bali at the last Bead Bazaar here, and am
looking forward to using them for new necklaces, including one for ME!!
Kellie Robinson
But I am not surprised that polymer clay artists are finally starting
to get a little respect. A lot of very gifted polymer clay artists
have paved the way for other artists like me. In general our prices
still do not compare to what lampwork artists get. For instance, here
in town my beads sell very well. One of my large focals can go for
anywhere from 20-40 and sometimes more depending on technique. A
lampwork bead of the same size can go for 60-100 or more. Am I
shocked and surprised that the lampwork goes for much more? No. Maybe
a little jealous. LOL Do I think polymer clay is better then
lampworked? No. But I don't think lampwork is better then polymer
clay either. They are both great mediums.
Because I work with polymer clay, I do understand exactly how much
labor can go into our beads. I have never done any lampworking, but I
hear you guys make comments about how clay is more labor intensive.
So it seems to me that we are getting the short end of the stick.
Maybe that is our own fault. I know I am completely AR about my
beads. If I charged for exactly how much labor went into each bead, I
probably would never sell one. So my beads are underpriced as far as
that goes. And I know many other fine artists who also underprice
their beads. Then I see the really underpriced polymer clay
beads...the ones that are very nice but have a low price, like 2.50
for a set, and that doesn't help the rep of us poly people either. I
think beaders are getting an EXCELLENT value when they bid on polymer
clay beads right now. Usually the workmanship is high, and also you
can use really large beads without having all the weight of glass.
I hope that polymer clay continues to gain respect, and I sure as hell
hope that the bids go and stay higher then 20 bucks. In some beading
communities, they do highly respect polymer clay. The Alaska Bead
Society puts on a bead show every fall at the Anchorage Museum of
History and Art, called the Bead Expo. This is an amazing event with
many wonderful lampwork artists, glass fusers, PMC artists, beaders,
and last year for the first time, 2 polymer clay artists. We had sign
ups for the upcoming fall show earlier this week. They announced that
those 2 polymer clay artists would be the Featured Artists at the
show. I am one of those artists. I am honored to be a part of my
local community.
I know I had more to say, but I havne't had a full cup of coffee yet.
kellie
www.kelliesklay.com
Your post made me think about all the
> discussions in the polymer clay newsgroup about how to get polymer clay
> items taken seriously in the art world. The prices for some of the clay work
> on ebay shows that poly *is* now being given some of the respect it
> deserves. It surprised me too that it is happening already. The discussions
> I spoke of were taking place only a year or so ago.
BeckiBead
These are from Deborah Smith. I made these in Dec of last year and they are
totally HUGE. Those are the BIG multistrand spacers, as big as they get, lol:
http://beckibead.tripod.com/polypen.jpg
Dr. Sooz
on JustBeads?
>Not me, not me!! *jumping up & down & waving*....shoot, I'm still
>waiting for my tea and cookies...
>:-)
>Carla
>wwyt...@yahoo.com (wwytch)
Dr. Sooz
>This is what I
>made last night after focusing my energy into a positive feeling. Dar
>
>http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=738191610
Dr. Sooz
>place.
Jill -- I definitely wasn't hinking of you when I made my comments about the
diss-'em-and-split folks. Never.
~~
Sooz
-------
ESBC
You've got to ac-centuate the positive,
E-liminate the negative,
And latch on to the affirmative --
Dr. Sooz
>http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=738221270
>
>Jill ^..^
Okay -- THAT is awe-inspiring. >>KLUNK<<
~~
Sooz
-------
ESBC
You've got to ac-centuate the positive,
E-liminate the negative,
And latch on to the affirmative --
Dr. Sooz
>Since you've directed your morally superior last words at me, then of
>course I'm compelled to respond to your false accusations that you
>would have everyone here believe about me. Fair enough?
Dr. Sooz
and more pleasant. You're not the only one on this NG recently who's said "I'm
not going to discuss this any longer!"
Sjpolyclay
Dr. Sooz
>the *cry of foul* instead of addressing the foul?.....
Hey -- you assumed we were going to do that before we ever gave even a HINT of
doing that. See your previous posts. You're defensive and angry before the
fact in your postings here.
Sjpolyclay
Sjpolyclay
>
>
Hi there Kellie! Drink up, I'll have a cup too. You do lovely, labor-intensive
work.
Dr. Sooz
neck-in-neck! Pretty even. But when I'm depressed or feeling ill, I surf the
polymer clay section at JustBeads. It cheers me up more. I am a huge sucker
for canework......it thrills me! I always leave cheered up -- and often poor.
Haw!
>Oh, those discussions have been going on for much longer then a year.
>But I am not surprised that polymer clay artists are finally starting
>to get a little respect. A lot of very gifted polymer clay artists
>have paved the way for other artists like me. In general our prices
>still do not compare to what lampwork artists get. For instance, here
>in town my beads sell very well. One of my large focals can go for
>anywhere from 20-40 and sometimes more depending on technique. A
>lampwork bead of the same size can go for 60-100 or more. Am I
>shocked and surprised that the lampwork goes for much more? No. Maybe
>a little jealous. LOL Do I think polymer clay is better then
>lampworked? No. But I don't think lampwork is better then polymer
>clay either. They are both great mediums.
>
>Because I work with polymer clay, I do understand exactly how much
>labor can go into our beads. I have never done any lampworking, but I
>hear you guys make comments about how clay is more labor intensive.
>So it seems to me that we are getting the short end of the stick.
>Maybe that is our own fault. I know I am completely AR about my
>beads. If I charged for exactly how much labor went into each bead, I
>probably would never sell one. So my beads are underpriced as far as
>that goes. And I know many other fine artists who also underprice
>their beads. Then I see the really underpriced polymer clay
>beads...the ones that are very nice but have a low price, like 2.50
~other good stuff snipped 4BW~
BeckiBead
so, it isn't so. I do have a request -- if you are going to keep this up then
at least punctuate your comments with links to some poly clay beads that are
worth viewing. That way when I get bored with your words I can go look at the
pictures.
Dr. Sooz
Becki, warn me when you're going to cause me to crack up so hard I spit my
coffee all over the dang place.
>I do have a request -- if you are going to keep this up then
>at least punctuate your comments with links to some poly clay beads that are
>worth viewing. That way when I get bored with your words I can go look at
>the
>pictures.
Kalera Stratton
diva...@aol.compuppies (Dr. Sooz) wrote:
> >Check this one out..it has polymer AND glass!
> >http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=738221270
> >
> >Jill ^..^
>
> Okay -- THAT is awe-inspiring. >>KLUNK<<
> ~~
> Sooz
Wow, that's really impressive. I'm bowled over by some of these poly
artists... I'm just not that skilled as a sculptor, and it really blows
my mind to see the intricacy of shape and color they can coax out of the
clay.
--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, EDD 6/1/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
Steve & Susan Wright
interested in it but never put in the effort to get really good at it. I
have a bunch of old clay I'm hoping to work with this summer for me for
decorative items. It will be interesting to see what I come up with and if
I enjoy it like I hope.
I may not have the name right but the first work I saw and loved was Zen
City clay or something like that. Citizen Cane maybe, it was a word play on
a character. The artist were two men that worked together and they had work
pictured in one of the first books I bought, Working with polyimer clay? I
have seen alot of polyclay in galleries and it commands a fair price and
sells well. Most of the work I see is structural or if jewelry some has the
added bonus of the jewelry being incorporated into display art. I've seen
pins as the lids to boxes and as display pieces in frames. Pendants as
hanging sculptures etc. I love the folk art look that you can get with the
polyclay.
Susan W
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Kellie Robinson
> I
> have seen alot of polyclay in galleries and it commands a fair price and
> sells well
Can I ask what you think a fair price is?
And those two guys are CityZen Cane, Steve Ford and David Forlano. They
call themselves FordForlano now.
kellie
www.kelliesklay.com
Kalera Stratton
"Steve & Susan Wright" <tum...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I watched polyclay at galleries since 10 years ago or more and got
> interested in it but never put in the effort to get really good at it. I
> have a bunch of old clay I'm hoping to work with this summer for me for
> decorative items. It will be interesting to see what I come up with and if
> I enjoy it like I hope.
>
> I may not have the name right but the first work I saw and loved was Zen
> City clay or something like that. Citizen Cane maybe, it was a word play on
> a character. The artist were two men that worked together and they had work
> pictured in one of the first books I bought, Working with polyimer clay? I
> have seen alot of polyclay in galleries and it commands a fair price and
> sells well. Most of the work I see is structural or if jewelry some has the
> added bonus of the jewelry being incorporated into display art. I've seen
> pins as the lids to boxes and as display pieces in frames. Pendants as
> hanging sculptures etc. I love the folk art look that you can get with the
> polyclay.
>
> Susan W
What I love is that you can do things with polyclay that you could never
ever ever do with glass... I'm always a bit disappointed when I look at
a polyclay auction and the beads look sort of like "trying to be glass",
because it is such a versatile and distinctive medium with capabilities
far different from what is achievable with glass. I love it when one
look at a piece tells me it's something fabulous and intricate,
something that could only be accomplished through that medium, far
beyond millefiori and stripes or checkerboard... I've seen the loveliest
florals, the most detailed faces, the mind-blowingest landscapes in
polyclay, and beads that are tiny, intensely creative sculptures,
standalone works of art in themselves. Truly inspiring!
CrystalLuv
Here is one of my favorite sets I almost kept. I have been making
floral translucent and opaque layered beads sets (in a variety of
shapes) and selling them since last spring at JB. I sold them on eBay
several months before that. Dar Jean
http://www.justbeads.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=735720301
See some of my other beads at my website:
http://acjewels.homestead.com/beads.html
End of message... short and sweet ;>)
Carol in SLC
>http://acjewels.homestead.com/beads.html<
NICE, Dar! Your satiny raspberry heart ROCKS!!
Carol in SLC
http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=63875
Kandice Seeber
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
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Dr. Sooz
>City clay or something like that. Citizen Cane maybe, it was a word play on
>a character.
One half of the pair:
Forlano, Ford City Zen Cane
http://www.fordforlano.com/
Dr. Sooz
Dr. Sooz
>I'm always a bit disappointed when I look at
>a polyclay auction and the beads look sort of like "trying to be glass",
>because it is such a versatile and distinctive medium with capabilities
>far different from what is achievable with glass.
laura
Laura
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Kalera Stratton
moder...@excite.com (CrystalLuv) wrote:
Oooh, very nice work!
Steve & Susan Wright
is a fair price. I have seen polymer that I wouldn't give you what the
materials cost because I feel I could do a much better job if I had the clay
unbaked and I have seen work that they were asking 50-60 for a pin. I would
pay that for that piece but I didn't need it. I have seen beautiful
vessels/ boxes in the $100-300 range and did not think that was out of
range.
Poly clay is much like lampwork in that the more intricate the canes and the
more complex the work it deserves a better price. It takes a long time to
make a cane but I know that you get alot of pieces out of the cane. I also
know that in polymer work you can start and stop as you please when making
that cane but in lampwork you must be able to do the cane at one time. You
can make some components and then put them together but as far as
concentrated attention time at once the complex canes in lampwork have
different requirements. Polyclay is a more forgiving medium than hot glass.
The other things I look for in polyclay work is no fingerprints, no trapped
dust and pet hair, artistically right, however you look at that and the
complexity of the work.
Susan W
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Steve & Susan Wright
Pier Volkus work. She had some really neat shaped wormy beads that were
fantastic. Her colors sing to me.
This discussion is getting me excited about pulling out the polyclay from
the basement to see what I have and what I can do. OH MY so much to think
about and jot notes, sketches etc on the way to B & B!
Susan W
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Steve & Susan Wright
autographed. Back in storage so can't use it now.
Susan W
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Steve & Susan Wright
Susan W
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Kellie Robinson
kellie
www.kelliesklay.com
Dr. Sooz
Dr. Sooz
Anderson, Deborah: A Thousand Canes
http://www.geocities.com/thousand_canes/
Doroshow, Dayle: Zingaro
http://www.dayledoroshow.com/default.htm
Greenberg, Lori: Abundance Box
http://www.abundancebox.com/
Pavelka, Lisa: Heart in Hand Studio
http://www.heartinhandstudio.com/
The RAVE 2003 Exhibit, Ravensdale
http://www.nwpcg.org/ravensdale/rave/
Rox, Mia: Clayfulmingles
http://www.clayfulmingles.com/
Shriver, Sarah Nelson
http://sarahshriver.sunnisan.com/ss/index.htm
Sperling, Barbara: Beadunique
http://www.beadunique.com/default.htm
Susan (Sam): Bead Ranch -- heart pendants & beads based on vintage fabrics and
flowers
http://www.beadranch.com/
Dr. Sooz
>actually, that is the whole pair~
>
>kellie
>www.kelliesklay.com
Karlee in Kansas
(duckin, runnin, and grinnin from ear to ear)
Karlee in Kansas
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BeckiBead
for the link.
Steve & Susan Wright
Susan W
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