good news, right?
marisa2
Botanical Artist Guild. She wants only items "inspired" by nature,
specifically local nature (plus apparently semi-precious gem stones may
count as being naturally inspired ;) ). She says she is going to devote
half of the little under-counter jewlery display case to my work
I gave her about 25 pieces on commision and she wants more earrings if I get
better earring hooks (I have never been able to determine if the ones from
shipwreck are actually silver and gold-plated, or just silver and gold
color. She didn't like a bunch of my clasps that I know ARE gold-plated
because she claimed they looked "tarnished"...probably the thin layer of
gold wearing off??).
I feel like I should be extatic about this but since I don't actually have
money in hand it isn't as exciting as I expected, I guess. Oh, and I nearly
fell asleep at the wheel a couple of dozen times on the 1 1/2 hour ride
back. (I'd better not tell anyone this. The hood of my car was smooshed in
an accident I had several days ago. Everyone agrees it wasn't my fault but
somehow it still seems like it is your fault, you know? The fact that this
week while my husband is out of town is the first time I've driven
meaningfully in about 2 years doesn't help either..)
I am selling my stuff at a party next weekend, so now I'd better make some
replacement items. Again, I should be extatic to have an excuse to make
more stuff that someone obviously liked well enough to pick out and want in
their store, but somehow it makes me feel like I never want to bead again.
Does this make any sence to anyone??
marisa2
Christina Peterson
If you're going to sell your work, I recommend that you only buy findings
that are sterling silver or gold filled. If it doesn't state unequivocally
that that's what they're made of, don't buy them. If you are unsure of the
material, don't use them on items you sell. Period.
Tina
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saucy
should be using sterling or gold filled. It's well worth the investment and
I think it gives the piece a better selling advantage. I will always
purchase jewelry that I know will not hurt my ears since I'm allergic to
base metal.
Starlia
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marisa2
Any suggestions?
thanks!
marisa2
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Lee S. Billings
>
>Marisa,
>
>If you're going to sell your work, I recommend that you only buy findings
>that are sterling silver or gold filled. If it doesn't state unequivocally
>that that's what they're made of, don't buy them. If you are unsure of the
>material, don't use them on items you sell. Period.
Seconded. You can buy SS and GF findings from Rio Grande, or from many other
places -- Rings 'n Things and You And Me come immediately to mind. They cost a
bit more than the cheap plated stuff, but not *that* much more if you buy in
reasonable bulk. Consider it an investment in both quality and professionalism.
Celine
--
Handmade jewelry at http://www.rubylane.com/shops/starcat
"Only the powers of evil claim that doing good is boring."
-- Diane Duane, _Nightfall at Algemron_
Deirdre S.
'cooperative', if that doesn't seem like a strange way to put it.
Deirdre
On 2 Aug 2003 22:30:18 GMT, stard...@mindspring.com (Lee S.
C Ryman
> Does this make any sence to anyone??
>
> marisa2
>
unsure. Just take one thing at a time (and on schedule) day by day, and it
will end up OK.
Cheers,
Connie R.
marisa2
at work (I work at Lucent Technologies and if you are in the right field my
saying that alone should give you a picture... if not, then never mind :),
short-short version of it is that we went from 130,000 people to 35,000
people in the last 2 years, and now jobs are being outsourced to people in
China and India).
So, I just finally got myself together, wrote a resume, and signed up on
HotJobs.com, Monster.com, and CarreerBuilder.com. So far so good. Then I
did job searches. Didn't like any too much, though one on HotJobs sounded
ok (it's main good feature being that it is in a nearby suburb. Some other
features I would've used to like but now scare me, such as the fast-paced
work environment and desire for a new employee to be self-motivated and jump
right in). Applied to 3.
Now... I'm not feeling neutral, which would be ok, or excited-nervous (I
guess you'd feel more that way if you actually got an interview). I'm just
feeling extreemly guilty.
Is something wrong with me?
*sighs*
marisa2
Dr. Sooz
Plated is not going to earn you any return customers. It gets icky fast, and
wears off. Don't use it.
~~
Sooz
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ESBC
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http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html
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Dr. Sooz
>> because she claimed they looked "tarnished"...probably the thin layer of
>> gold wearing off??).
Wearing off? Yup. Don't use them.
Dr. Sooz
>> fell asleep at the wheel a couple of dozen times on the 1 1/2 hour ride
back.
Okay. This is just as bad as drunk driving. Don't so it again. Are you
insane? No, I don't feel like being polite or kind. Innocent people are
killed every day by sleeping drivers. Jesus!
Kandice Seeber
of the most energy sapping things in my opinion. I hate doing it. I would
rather make beads and jewelry on my own whim than have a deadline and have
to be organized about it. So I don't blame you at all for feeling like that
Marisa. It's wonderful that you have the opportunity, though. To me, it's
a necessary evil of being in the jewelry art business. You have to make
money and this is a good way to do it. Pace yourself and try not to treat
yourself like a machine. Take breaks and rest and ground yourself. It's
really hard to be inspired and creative when you're doing production work,
so treat yourself well. :) Good luck!!
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net
Lisa
I took a package after nearly 20 years at AT&T...that was 3 years ago, I
worked corporate for another year, and have been employed as a substitute
school teacher and artist since then.
I am beginning to look at corporate work again, the solitary lifestyle of an
artist is tough for me, and trying to rationalize with 3rd graders is tough,
but Product Lisa has been okay...as I wrote in an earlier post, my
depression during these two years really was at its high with the deaths of
my parents, but I am moving on and feel excited by the prospects that are
out there. For the last little while, I have looked at 6% unemployed...I
used to look at 94% employed, and I am coming back to that realization
again.
Kathy is right..Lucent is your client, your customer. I used to tell my
staff that it would be AT&T's loss when they left...and it is. When I was
recruited to that one year job, it was by a former colleague, and although I
had planned to take a year off to be with my dad after the death of my mom,
I told her that I would interview the company, and if I felt it was what I
was looking for, that I would consider it.
So...get the silver and gold filled findings for your jewelry, rejoice in
the creation of it and the pride that someone likes it and has given you
helpful critique, and who knows...MarisaCo may never go back to corporate
again!!!
Lisa>
Carol in SLC
half of the little under-counter jewlery display case to my work<
Congratulations, Marisa!! I get my sterling silver ear wires from 550 Silver:
www.monsterslayer.com . They are super people to deal with.
Carol in SLC
My new stuff: http://members.aol.com/carolinslc/emma.jpg
Deirdre S.
dysfunctional as the rest of our daily lives. Finding ways to fit in
really seems to me like trying to find ways to like being punched and
smooshed on a regular basis.
Personally, I think we need to form alliances to re-invent "Work" into
something that actually works. But I see only tiny pockets of places
where that happens. And lots of places that set out to do something
like that, but then the participants get sucked into old programming
and end up reproducing what they want to replace.
)Too many generalization in that statement, I know, but not enough
time to get deeper into it at the moment.)
Deirdre
Deirdre S.
Deirdre
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 7:03:12 -0400, Kathy N-V
<KathyN...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Marisa, your main goal is to take care of Marisa, Inc., and the associated
>responsibilities. Right this second, Lucent is your client, and you want to
>do a good job for them. However, like all clients, Lucent can evaporate in a
>second and you want Marisa, Inc. to survive. You don't owe them anything
>besides your day's work. Once you've fulfilled your end of the deal, you are
>absolutely free to persue other jobs that will add to Marisa's bottom line.
Marisa E Exter
marisa2
Marisa E Exter
>
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:58:47 -0400, marisa2 wrote
> (in message <HT_Wa.30840$BM.10...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>):
>
> > You know, after lots more bad news on top of the already wierd atmosphere
> > at work (I work at Lucent Technologies and if you are in the right field my
> > saying that alone should give you a picture... if not, then never mind :),
>
> same situation. One couple I know has it especially tough: they both worked
> for Lucent, both got canned within weeks of one another, have four kids and a
> huge mortgage. eep.
>
Yup, lots of people around here with that story (well, with friends with that
story, and themselves worried about being that story).
That is one reason it is SO hard to be here....
It also drives me crazy that other people seem so... in denial about things...
everyone seems to be acting like Lucent will be our world forever, despite the
evidence of their friends and everything. The bosses are telling us to work
harder then ever to prove ourselves, and even though everyone isn't exactly
working harder then ever (plus take on Chineese trainees), a lot of people seem
to have the general idea that if we just proove ourselves they will keep us.
It is getting hard to believe that.
>
> > Some other
> > features I would've used to like but now scare me, such as the fast-paced
> > work environment and desire for a new employee to be self-motivated and jump
> > right in). Applied to 3.
>
> I think everyone in the field is feeling the same way. You can only handle
> the stress for so long before it gets to you. When I worked for DuPont, I
> started feeling envious of the people who got canned. At least for them, the
> feeling of impending doom was over. They could take their package and go on
> with life.
It feels good to know you felt that way too!
>The ones left behind had to do double or triple the work, and
> would still face the axe at the end.
>
At least we don't exactly have to do triple the work.
It is kind of cyclical right now...having nothing to do and worrying about that,
then having a bunch to do but being unsure whether it is going anywhere.
(Things we have been told to work our tails off for have had a history of
getting canned around here, and the fact that even if that doesn't happen all
our work will be given to others isn't exactly stimulating either.)
>
> > Now... I'm not feeling neutral, which would be ok, or excited-nervous (I
> > guess you'd feel more that way if you actually got an interview). I'm just
> > feeling extreemly guilty.
>
> Because you're considering leaving before you aren't given a choice? Marisa,
> getting out before the next wave of layoffs floods the job-seekers market is
> the right thing to do. Staying till the bitter end isn't going to do you any
> favors. It's certainly not like Lucent is going to appreciate you for
> staying.
>
I thought I'd realized that after I was on sick leave for 2 months and came back
and everyone seemed fine (oddly, little had changed).
Obviously, not only does it not matter to Lucent if I'm not here, it doesn't
matter to my group that much either.
There is one person I guess I worry about letting down.
But that is silly, right? (Not to mention I feel I've let him down in so many
other things by now anyhow :( )
> If it makes you feel better, consider that every person that leaves
> voluntarily allows another person to keep their job. In helping yourself,
> you're doing a service for your Lucent cow orkers.
>
> > Is something wrong with me?
> >
> Not at all. The whole industry is rotten to the core, and it's the workers
> who are taking the brunt. I handled it by considering myself my own
> corporation, and did whatever I thought was best for KathCorp. Heaven knows
> that businesses have broken the contract that said "If you work hard and do
> well, we'll give you a paycheck every week and a job to go to every day."
>
> Now it's every person for herself. I always looked at it as "I get great
> money while I'm working, and the tradeoff is that there is no job security
> whatsoever."
>
With exporting the jobs to "low cost centers" I doubt the great money part is
going to stay either... lots of debates about that in the internal newsgroups.
I have mixed feeligns about it too (don't like the idea of a protectionist
government... until it hits me. Guess I'm a jerk)
> I was always waiting for the next layoff, and kept money in the bank so that
> KathCorp could handle its responsibilities until the next assignment came
> along.
Wish we had saved more! I really thought we had till I looked... don't even
have one year's salary put away. Which makes my dreams of just quiting and
going for a PhD full-time while my husband is still working on his BS pretty
difficult (we could probably somehow learn to skimp enough to LIVE off an
assistanceship...but not if we have to pay for a BS at the same time!!)
> I also looked at my cow orkers as potential contacts for future jobs,
> with me passing along leads to them, and vice versa. (After a while, you do
> meet the same people over and over)
>
> Marisa, your main goal is to take care of Marisa, Inc., and the associated
> responsibilities. Right this second, Lucent is your client, and you want to
> do a good job for them. However, like all clients, Lucent can evaporate in a
> second and you want Marisa, Inc. to survive. You don't owe them anything
> besides your day's work. Once you've fulfilled your end of the deal, you are
> absolutely free to persue other jobs that will add to Marisa's bottom line.
>
Thanks, Kathy. That really helps.
Even if it is hard to take for me.
marisa2
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Thanks.
I'm kind of disapointed to hear you haven't enjoyed working with the 3rd
graders... that's something I've been thinking about a lot. (Did you have to
get another degree for that?)
marisa2
Marisa E Exter
the gallery said she liked, but still I feel I have to replace with similar
kinds of items...
This is really wierd for me because I am used to being more motivated when I
have a specific goal to work towards. Lately I wonder if I'm just plain lazy!
I'll try to remind myself of what you said...
Thanks,
marisa2
Kandice Seeber wrote:
>
> Doing production work (making things for shows, galleries, etc.) can be one
> of the most energy sapping things in my opinion. I hate doing it. I would
> rather make beads and jewelry on my own whim than have a deadline and have
> to be organized about it. So I don't blame you at all for feeling like that
> Marisa. It's wonderful that you have the opportunity, though. To me, it's
> a necessary evil of being in the jewelry art business. You have to make
> money and this is a good way to do it. Pace yourself and try not to treat
> yourself like a machine. Take breaks and rest and ground yourself. It's
> really hard to be inspired and creative when you're doing production work,
> so treat yourself well. :) Good luck!!
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on. It rarely wear off with use, and won't flake.
Tina
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Deirdre S.
plating.
Deirdre
On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 10:32:08 -0500, Marisa E Exter <mex...@lucent.com>
wrote:
Lee S. Billings
>
>Will "gold filled" not do this?
The gold covering on GF findings is *much* thicker than that on GP. GF is not
likely to wear down under normal usage; GP will, very quickly.
Lisa
I LOVE the third graders, I just can't take them on a daily basis for years
and years...I need the intellectual stimulation that I get (sometimes) from
adults. And when you are in your classroom, you have none of that, and the
20 minute lunchbreak doesn't give you that, and meetings don't give you
that...and so on.
I actually enjoy sitting on the floor with them, conducting experiments,
discussing life, but teaching children just, for me, is not IT.
I have an old degree in Secondary Ed, so I was able to use that to get into
a classroom. I do long term, and will be a perm this year for a teacher who
is taking a sabbatical.
I think only you will and can know if teaching is right for you...I had
always wondered if I could, and although I can, and get rave reviews from
both students and parents, it's not a long-term career for me.
AND, the God's honest truth is...corporate work was *never* this hard!!!
Lisa
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Marisa E Exter
>
> Sounds familiar. I think the work world is just as systemically
> dysfunctional as the rest of our daily lives. Finding ways to fit in
> really seems to me like trying to find ways to like being punched and
> smooshed on a regular basis.
>
> Personally, I think we need to form alliances to re-invent "Work" into
> something that actually works. But I see only tiny pockets of places
> where that happens. And lots of places that set out to do something
> like that, but then the participants get sucked into old programming
> and end up reproducing what they want to replace.
>
> )Too many generalization in that statement, I know, but not enough
> time to get deeper into it at the moment.)
>
It makes a lot of sence to me. (Well, sounds accurate, anyhow. When things
happen the way you are alluding to, it NEVER makes common sence to anyone but
upper management.)
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between 3rd - 8th grade kids were the best people to hang around with, and I
adored my own teachers. I felt I had a calling.
So, I started out as an elementary ed major and was taking a programing course
or two just for fun.
Up till then I had had many disastorous baby-sitting jobs; kids just "walk all
over me". I was hoping that I would learn better skills at college. However,
that didn't seem to be what the elementary ed classes were about (Frankly, I
felt that most of the work we did in those classes seemed like busy-work, and
much of what we learned was either common sence or a watered down version of the
latest teaching fad (not enough about the research done to show WHY they
believed that some people learn mathematics better "by song", just a blanket
statement that there were X number of learning styles, and a whole bunch of
busy-work for us to come up with cutsey projects in each style).
One great thing my college did was make me get into the classroom as early as
possible by requiring "observation hours" which quickly turned to at least some
participation on my part.
It was worse then I even feared; junior high kids thought I was a new kid (I
look younger then I am), and even in that nice school district, kids "walked all
over me". And I don't know what I would've gotten if I had stuck through the
rest of the classes, but up till that point I didn't feel I was learning what I
needed to to be an effective teacher (I do believe that that doesn't mean being
a strict disciplinarian, but there must be SOMETHING teachers do who are liked
but respected by the kids that I couldn't seem to grasp, and still can't.)
So.... I "failed" at my attempt at being a teacher, and became a computer
programmer instead. My dad and his engineer friends viewed this as a move up; I
did not.
I keep having this thought that maybe after I have some kids of my own I could
go back to it.
Lately I've been thinking of going back through another path, eg a PhD in
educational research (I was talking to some people and got very interested in
the area of Instructional Systems Technology, which deals with all kinds of
instructional media and I think I have an in there because one of the areas of
new research is distance learning, something I have an experience with because I
have gotten most of my MS through a distance learning program (and know just
what I don't like about it!). They do pure educational research also, so I
could drift that way once I get in, I figure :) ).
Of course, I may soon be looking for a job and if there was a way to try
teaching... but then I have had this thought many times that I don't wnat to
experiment on a year or any signifigant amount of time on 30 kid's educational
experiences just to find out what I like or am capable of.
I dunno.
marisa2
alia
created a system that actually keeps people who's true dream it is to
teach OUT of that proffession, while allowing for anyone with a knack
for busy work (the last thing you need to really help children) easy
access into it. AND we have made a salary for those who do care to
push through the BS and do it despite the paperwork that is JUST NOT
WORTH IT!!!
i feel like Archibald Tuttle from Brazil
alia