Beware dream smashers

Mxz Pantzz

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Sep 15, 2002, 3:03:56 AM9/15/02

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Beware the dream smashers
They are everywhere
Too afraid to follow their dreams
So they want to make sure they smash yours
Tell them about you big plans your big goals
And they will tell you why it can't be done
They will tell you that you must change your
persona and everythign about yourseff
That you must follow the rules that are
already in place
Follow what they say and watch your dreams
wash away
because then you are in the box
ands just like everyone else.

Beware the dream smashers
they want to keep you in their box
stay in your box
it is too scary to be different
to try soemthing different
to be something diffrent

ok and an ending haiku

In the bright of day
O beware the dream smashers
Guard your brain from them!

Loev,

Ms Pants
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your friend, s c r o o g e

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Sep 15, 2002, 3:37:17 AM9/15/02

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the doctor will see you now

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Mxz Pantzz

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Sep 15, 2002, 3:56:04 AM9/15/02

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On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 07:37:17 GMT, "your friend, s c r o o g e"
<eat@mama's.net> wrote:

>the doctor will see you now
>

S I S T E R or San Diego?

Loev,

Ms pNts

Beads1947

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Sep 15, 2002, 10:59:27 AM9/15/02

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When I think about the obstacles to following my dream or even if I need a
laugh, I check out Sharon Peter's website at www.smartassglass.com. She's
certainly following hers.
Patti

Tink

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Sep 15, 2002, 11:36:21 AM9/15/02

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I totally agree! Mz Pants, you should check out that site for sure!!!

Tink
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BJ And John

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Sep 15, 2002, 12:53:11 PM9/15/02

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I can relate to that. My husband and I have been "professional" musicians
for over 25 years and made a living at it to the consternation of nay
sayers.

The worst and hardest time for me was when I went from bass to lead
guitar. Absolutely no support and plenty of crap. But I was such a good
bass player they said. Why change? I only lost one club, but the tongues
were wagging, and the following did pare back. Well the dream smashers can
kiss my ass because i have about 8 years into it, and I'm glad I didn't stay
on the boring supportive instrument and I'm starting to sound pretty damn
good.
Now i'm lurking and listening here because I wanna be in jewelry a bit.
I am unpracticed at visual art and I like the struggle. I like sitting in
the beads, running them thru my fingers, trying to figure out what the hell
to do next. Already I've heard you can't make a living at this and you know
what? Thats hysterical.
There is always a way. Do what you love. I know I'm preaching to the
choir.
My motto is: NO DAY JOB EVER. Let the naysayers and dream smashers have
a hey day with that one. Like they F*****G define reality.
oh oh, ya got me started.
Yours in Dreams to Reality,
Beej

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Sep 15, 2002, 12:59:31 PM9/15/02

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You are just a complete fool.

~~
Sooz
Absence of stress means you're dead.

Mxz Pantzz

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Sep 15, 2002, 1:19:13 PM9/15/02

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On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:53:11 -0700, "BJ And John" <bis...@ywave.com>
wrote:

>I can relate to that. My husband and I have been "professional" musicians
>for over 25 years and made a living at it to the consternation of nay
>sayers.
>
> The worst and hardest time for me was when I went from bass to lead
>guitar. Absolutely no support and plenty of crap. But I was such a good
>bass player they said. Why change? I only lost one club, but the tongues
>were wagging, and the following did pare back. Well the dream smashers can
>kiss my ass because i have about 8 years into it, and I'm glad I didn't stay
>on the boring supportive instrument and I'm starting to sound pretty damn
>good.
> Now i'm lurking and listening here because I wanna be in jewelry a bit.
>I am unpracticed at visual art and I like the struggle. I like sitting in
>the beads, running them thru my fingers, trying to figure out what the hell
>to do next. Already I've heard you can't make a living at this and you know
>what? Thats hysterical.
>There is always a way. Do what you love. I know I'm preaching to the
>choir.
> My motto is: NO DAY JOB EVER. Let the naysayers and dream smashers have
>a hey day with that one. Like they F*****G define reality.
>oh oh, ya got me started.
>Yours in Dreams to Reality,
>Beej
>

What a refreshing post! I say to all the tongue waggers...put a
staple in it!

Beej you go go go and reach for the stars! You will go far!

Loev,

Ms Pants

Mxz Pantzz

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Sep 15, 2002, 1:31:11 PM9/15/02

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On 15 Sep 2002 16:59:31 GMT, diva...@aol.comeatpeeps (Sooz) wrote:

>You are just a complete fool.
>

o so u ar resorting to name callin now? Nowe that is just very classy
an professional.

u clearlee hace sum issues.

click click clik clikc that is teh staple gun fer negative tongue
waggers and dream smashers.

Loev,

Ms pants

I am not eccentric. It's just that I am more alive than most people. I am an unpopular electric eel set in a pond of goldfish.
Edith Sitwell

mkahogan

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Sep 15, 2002, 2:14:32 PM9/15/02

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This was good for me to read.
Thanks Pootie.
Kathy H

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Marisa Cappetta

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Sep 16, 2002, 1:55:19 AM9/16/02

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*laughing* you're so direct, Sooz! I tried to make sense of this, but
failed. Is poopie criticizing us? complaining about someone else? giving us
advice? off her rocker? Sorry, no hablar!!
Marisa
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Marisa Cappetta

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Sep 16, 2002, 5:06:22 AM9/16/02

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in article 3d84c074...@news.alt.net, Mxz Pantzz at Z...@ZZZ.com wrote
on 16/9/02 1:19 AM:

In my experience of this group, negative and positive experiences
regarding marketing jewellery are shared, and shared generously. These are
real experiences by real people, not mere nay-saying. What you have here is
a valuable resource to help build your own business, taking into account the
pitfalls as well as the succesful strategies you might make use of. There
are designer/makers here who have many years of experience in marketing the
arts, some of them on an international level. In your position, I would make
use of this information to construct a succesful business plan which will
lead to a sustainable income. This is how dreams are achieved. For what ever
my advice is worth to you.
Marisa

Christina Foster Peterson

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Sep 16, 2002, 5:46:32 AM9/16/02

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Poopie, you are full of yourself, and you know what that means you're full
of!

You asked for advise and got some. If you don't like it, or won't follow it
because of pride, just say thank you, and go on your way.

Dream smashers! You are ridiculous.

When I went to Dept of Small Business Development, and asked for
professional advice on how to get a business going, they have certain steps
you need to go through. Self indulgence is not the route to achieving fame.

It takes work, not just fantasy to build a dream. And I do mean build. You
can't imagine it into being, or play it into being. Even when you work with
white magic, shamanism, and Reiki or other energy manipulation, it is
neither a passive nor an indulgent activity.

I have said nothing to denigrate you, though I have suggested ways you could
work more effectively. It doesn't really matter to me if you take my
advise. I've ignored good advice when I was less mature too, because it
interfered with my pride, sloth, or self indulgence. And I've babbled about
people being mean to me, or trying to keep me down, or not respecting my
dreams.

Hell, Poopie, compared to me, and to Sooz who I also know in real life, you
haven't even looked outside the box. Don't just complain that people want
you in the box, step your own foot outside of that box. One more thing
about getting out of that box. What I think of you is none of your
business. Until you can live with that wisdom, you will keep yourself in
that box.

Tina

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Mxz Pantzz

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Sep 16, 2002, 6:08:07 AM9/16/02

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On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:46:32 -0800, "Christina Foster Peterson"
<cfosterd...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Poopie, you are full of yourself, and you know what that means you're full
>of!
>
>You asked for advise and got some. If you don't like it, or won't follow it
>because of pride, just say thank you, and go on your way.

Then stop trying to ram it down my throat!

>
>Dream smashers! You are ridiculous.

Name calling? Defining? Judgemental?

>
>When I went to Dept of Small Business Development, and asked for
>professional advice on how to get a business going, they have certain steps
>you need to go through. Self indulgence is not the route to achieving fame.
>
>It takes work, not just fantasy to build a dream. And I do mean build. You
>can't imagine it into being, or play it into being. Even when you work with
>white magic, shamanism, and Reiki or other energy manipulation, it is
>neither a passive nor an indulgent activity.
>
>I have said nothing to denigrate you,

Yes you have!

> though I have suggested ways you could
>work more effectively. It doesn't really matter to me if you take my
>advise.

It must Tina or why else would you insist on ramming it down my
throat.

chastise, chastise , chastise. judgement, judgement
control. control.

Loev,

Ms Pants

BeckiBead

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Sep 16, 2002, 8:25:49 AM9/16/02

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>*laughing* you're so direct, Sooz! I tried to make sense of this, but
>failed. Is poopie criticizing us? complaining about someone else? giving us
>advice? off her rocker? Sorry, no hablar!!

Good god who cares anymore. The posts are so "me me me" kilfile the crap and
keep on trucking.

Becki

Sooz

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Sep 16, 2002, 3:10:19 PM9/16/02

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>In my experience of this group, negative and positive experiences
>regarding marketing jewellery are shared, and shared generously. These are
real experiences by real people, not mere nay-saying. What you have here is a
valuable resource to help build your own business, taking into account the
>pitfalls as well as the succesful strategies you might make use of. There are
designer/makers here who have many years of experience in marketing the arts,
some of them on an international level.

Exactly. (This describes me, for instance.)

BJ And John

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Sep 16, 2002, 3:33:55 PM9/16/02

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So..let me see...does money legitamize art?

(my spell check doesn't work)

Beej

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BJ And John

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Sep 16, 2002, 3:35:29 PM9/16/02

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What do you risk by staying open to those you don't
agree with?
Beej

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Karen_AZ

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Sep 16, 2002, 3:36:27 PM9/16/02

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Nope, but it does legitimize keeping the bills paid and feeding the bead
habit.

--
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BJ And John

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Sep 16, 2002, 3:50:22 PM9/16/02

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Bead habit....thats what they call it, I always wondered.
I hope they don't start a 12 step program,
Beej
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Karen_AZ

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Sep 16, 2002, 4:02:38 PM9/16/02

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If they do, I am NOT joining!!!!!

Christina Foster Peterson

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Sep 16, 2002, 7:12:04 PM9/16/02

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Is Walnut Creek where your folks are? I had an "aunt" who had an orchard
there when we were kids. And an aunt and uncle were charter residents when
they moved to Rossmoor, when Uncle Tom turned 60. I think they were the
longest term residents they ever had. Rose was there into her 80s, and Tom
was there for 37 years, until about 4 years ago.

Tina

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>
> ]If they do, I am NOT joining!!!!!
>
> me, either!
>
> i'm away from home right now, staying with my mom while Dad is in the
> hospital. Saturday, we went to the LBS in Walnut Creek. told DH.
> "WHAT? you found ANOTHER one? are they EVERYWHERE?" of course, he
> was laughing when he said it.
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Sep 16, 2002, 9:33:04 PM9/16/02

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Concord is still nice. Life style is not too fast.

Tina

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>
> ]Is Walnut Creek where your folks are?
>
> close - Concord.
> all those walnut orchards i walked past to get to school are long gone
> - the smog killed them off, and the ranchers moved up Chico way . . .

Marisa Cappetta

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Sep 16, 2002, 11:49:40 PM9/16/02

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No, but it sure as hell means you can continue to buy the materials you need
to keep creating, not to mention all the other living expenses everyone has
to meet. Even those historically recognised as 'great' artists needed
patrons and sales to keep going.

If you want to make art for its own sake, you still need a day job. If you
want to make a living at it you have to treat it as a business, I believe
that was Tina's point. Anyone interested in putting together a business
plan, I'd be very happy to advise.
Marisa

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Sooz

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Sep 17, 2002, 12:46:08 AM9/17/02

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House of Beads! Am I right? I was there tonight, peering through the "Closed"
sign.....sobbing

>Saturday, we went to the LBS in Walnut Creek.

Sooz

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Sep 17, 2002, 12:48:01 AM9/17/02

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>a 12 step program,

This is by Becki (of course):

1. I am powerless over seed beads and it has made my life unmanageable.

2. I came to believe that a bead, greater than myself, could restore me to
sanity.

3. I made a decision to turn my will and my life over to my creativity, as I
understood it.

4. I made a searching and fearless moral inventory of my beads, leaving out
nothing, not even the ones I am trying to hide from my mate.

5. I admitted to God, to myself, and to another human being the exact size of
my inventory.

6. I became entirely ready to make up all these beads into jewelry.

7. I humbly ask God to remove my non-beady distractions.

8. I made a list of all my unfinished projects, and became willing to finish
them all.

9. I finished those projects whenever possible, except when to do so would
diminish my bead stash in some important area.

10. I continued to take my bead inventory and when I was cheating about how
many I had, or what I really paid for them, promptly admitted it.

11. I sought through touch and manipulation to improve my constant contact
with my bead stash, praying only for knowledge of what they were to become, and
the power to carry that out.

12. Having created beautiful projects as a result of these steps, I tried to
share my joy with the other bead addicts on the internet so that they too may
practice these techniques in all their jewelry creations.

Deirdre Sandstrom

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Sep 17, 2002, 1:28:57 AM9/17/02

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How's your dad doing?

Deirdre

vj wrote:

> vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Karen_AZ"
> <desertd...@cox.net> :
>
> ]If they do, I am NOT joining!!!!!
>
> me, either!
>
> i'm away from home right now, staying with my mom while Dad is in the
> hospital. Saturday, we went to the LBS in Walnut Creek. told DH.
> "WHAT? you found ANOTHER one? are they EVERYWHERE?" of course, he
> was laughing when he said it.
>
>

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Sooz

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Sep 17, 2002, 2:08:21 AM9/17/02

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YEAH.

>How's your dad doing?

~~
Sooz
Bat, bat, come under my hat
And I'll give you a piece of bacon.
And when I bake
I'll make you a cake
If I am not mistaken.

MeijhanaKittie

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Sep 17, 2002, 2:43:33 AM9/17/02

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Is that the one that's on a "main" street, a very small store, but very
nice??? I think down the street, in a mall (outdoor), there was a larger
store, but even larger prices, where the beads were sold by the piece, with
the express purpose of making it there (not priced for hobby beaders, but
for the one-time Express or Neiman Marcus or Macy's shopper types)

Mary

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Deirdre Sandstrom

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Sep 17, 2002, 3:33:37 AM9/17/02

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I'll be thinking about all of you. If you need anything specific ...
apart from healing energy, which pretty much goes without saying ... let
us hear about it.

Deirdre

vj wrote:

> vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Deirdre Sandstrom
> <deir...@worldnet.att.net> :
>
> ]How's your dad doing?
>
> **sigh**
> the surgeon says he is VERY happy with the results.
> the pneumonologist won't take the endotrach tube out because dad is
> coughing up so much stuff, they are afraid he will choke.
>
> but he is fighting the tube so much, they have to keep him pretty
> sedated. he is going to be REALLY p*ssed when he finally wakes up!
> he thought he would wake up last WEDNESDAY - it's now five days
> later.
>
> the end results seem to look good. he's quite a ways off from
> recovery, tho. and he is NOT going to be a good patient.
>
> right now, tho, he looks SO frail!
>
> i'm going to stay here for at least a week after he comes home - to
> make sure things are going well. then i'll see about going home.
>
> thanks for asking!

Kandice Seeber

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Sep 17, 2002, 4:24:37 AM9/17/02

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(((((hugs)))))) to you and your father sweetie - I hope he feels much
better soon. I can understand his wanting to fight the tube - I would too!

--
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> vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from Deirdre Sandstrom
> <deir...@worldnet.att.net> :
>
> ]How's your dad doing?
>
> **sigh**
> the surgeon says he is VERY happy with the results.
> the pneumonologist won't take the endotrach tube out because dad is
> coughing up so much stuff, they are afraid he will choke.
>
> but he is fighting the tube so much, they have to keep him pretty
> sedated. he is going to be REALLY p*ssed when he finally wakes up!
> he thought he would wake up last WEDNESDAY - it's now five days
> later.
>
> the end results seem to look good. he's quite a ways off from
> recovery, tho. and he is NOT going to be a good patient.
>
> right now, tho, he looks SO frail!
>
> i'm going to stay here for at least a week after he comes home - to
> make sure things are going well. then i'll see about going home.
>
> thanks for asking!
>
>

Kandice Seeber

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Sep 17, 2002, 4:25:20 AM9/17/02

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:) Nothing could restore me to sanity. :) But lampworking somes as close
as it's going to get. :)

--
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> vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from diva...@aol.comeatpeeps
> (Sooz) :
>
> ]2. I came to believe that a bead, greater than myself, could restore me
to
> ]sanity.
>
> are you listening, all you lampworkers?????????

Karen_AZ

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Sep 17, 2002, 8:53:48 AM9/17/02

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This is one of those things I'm agonizing over at the moment. For a while
there, ALL I did was make beads and jewelry, to sell at shows and online. By
my measure, I was pretty darned successful. Unfortunately, some of my
alternative cash resources, like a short-term trust from my dad, ended.
Thud, here I am, out on my own (child support is just lip service, and I
have it going direct to savings for the kids, to replace what their dad
ripped off).

So, I'm back to the "normal" work force. My new job is okay, but I don't
think I can make the production quota they expect, and I'm honestly waiting
to be shown the door, but still plugging away. Mike and I had a long talk
this weekend about how to approach what I think is inevitable. I'm
determined to give it my best shot....but I see the price I'm paying and I
get this knot in my gut that says it's too high. Ideally, I'd like to be
able to throttle back the transcription "day job" and at least have my beads
as a partial income again. It's a matter of spreading myself thin in the
right places. Hammering away at a keyboard for half-pay is making me crazy.
If I at least strike out on my own....in terms of the MT job as well as the
beads, I may make out better, and at least end up feeling more sane. What to
do, what to do. I need the arms of Kali to be able to "on this hand" all the
options. <G>

The sure sign to me that things are amiss is that I'm actively considering
going back on Wellbutrin so I can effectively joing the herd. <sigh> It's
weird, I could work 10-hour days on the torch, totally forget about lunch
and not mind it, and be happy. Now I'm back to all the little "devices" I've
relied on in the past to stick to my job, get the work done in 8 hours or
less, and at the end of the day I couldn't string a bead if my life depended
on it. This sucks.

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Sep 17, 2002, 10:52:18 AM9/17/02

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> So..let me see...does money legitamize art?
>
> (my spell check doesn't work)
>
> Beej
>

If you must put that question, I'll answer with an unqualified
Yes! Of course. How else? (My answer hangs on your choice of the
word "legitimate".) All definitions of "legitimate" that I scanned at
www.onelook.com (still my favorite site) agreed with my initial
impression in that they cite either law or consensus. Leaving out the
law side, *in general* money "legitimizes" art as nothing else does or
can.
So now I'll take issue with the application of that word to art.
In fact, I reject it, inasmuch as I reject the need for consensus,
along with the need or desire to differentiate between "art" and
"illustration" and "craft", etc. Not that I reject
appreciation-in-concert; that is lovely. But I cherish the blessing
of knowing and appreciating *art* where *I* find it, even if it sings
to noone but me.

Kirby

Rach

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Sep 17, 2002, 11:13:40 AM9/17/02

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"Kirby Cook" <kirby...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> But I cherish the blessing
> of knowing and appreciating *art* where *I* find it, even if it sings
> to noone but me.

Great line there, Kirby! Exactly the way I feel about things artistic. Also,
some of the best art I've ever seen is unintended art.

Hugs,
Rach

Deirdre Sandstrom

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Sep 17, 2002, 11:19:55 AM9/17/02

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I've got a fair bit to say on this topic, but not enough time to get
into it before my workday starts (is there an appropriate irony there?),
but I am filing it away to go back to tonight.

Deirdre

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Karen_AZ

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Sep 17, 2002, 4:35:29 PM9/17/02

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Oh, Karen, I sure wish I had the answer to your dilemma. I, too, am
trapped in the "day job" hell. If you figure it out, please be sure to
share!
(((((HUGS)))))

=^..^=
Patty
Rustic Studio
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my eBay auctions (ID rusticstudio):
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> "Karen_AZ" <desertd...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> .... So, I'm back to the "normal" work force
> .... I'm actively considering going back on Wellbutrin so I can
> effectively joing the herd. <sigh>...

Kathy N-V

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Sep 17, 2002, 4:59:32 PM9/17/02

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in article 20020917160314...@mb-cj.aol.com, Sooz wrote on
9/17/02 4:03 PM:

> He *is* absorbing it, though. You keep on talking to him.
>
>> i keep trying to talk to him, but he still isn't understanding yet -
>> just angry and frustrated.
>

I'll bet he's angry -- being intubated hurts, and it's terrifying to have
something else controlling your breathing. From what I understand, everyone
who is intubated is at least partially sedated so they don't pull out the
tube.

From personal experience, I can tell you that your dad hears and is aware.
The past few times I was intubated, I could hear everything around me, and
was aware of time passing. I was unable to respond or move, and it was like
a nightmare of pain and noise. I could hear DH from time to time, as he'd
talk to me about our daughter, the dog; anything really. It was a small
island of calm in a sea of terror and pain.

A few years ago, my uncle was comatose and dying, and in the ICU on a
respirator. Each morning after I took DD to school, I'd stop by the ICU and
read the morning paper aloud to him. It seemed to relax him, and he always
calmed down when I said that the Red Sox had one another one. I'm
absolutely sure that he heard every word I was saying, even if he didn't
know it was me, he knew it was a friendly voice addressing him, trying to
distract him and comfort him.

Your dad is in my prayers, and I hope that this will soon be a simple memory
in the midst of an active, happy life.

Kathy N-V
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in the world --
Those who understand binary, and those who don't."

Juanita Floyd

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Sep 17, 2002, 5:00:31 PM9/17/02

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Karen Dear,

I know exactly where you are coming from. EXACTLY! I am thinking about giving
up the auctions and such and taking on more time at my part time job. So I just
worked the last 2 days in a row and I am exhausted. I have to be on my feet
most of the time dealing with the public and I don't know if I can hack it
anymore without significant increase in medication. I have a similar situation
in that I was getting interest from a CD I had that was inheritance from my
Grandmother. I've pretty much been living off that since the bead business went
south for me. Well, the CD rolls over at the end of the month from a 6something
% deal to 2.69%. So there will be little or no interest to live on. I'm not
sure what's worth it.Some serious soul seraching going here in Virginia I can
tell you.

I don't want to be rich. I've been living on about 600.00 or less a month. But
I'm getting worn out on trying to figure out where the grocery money is coming
from.

Sorry to continue your rant...
Good Luck,
Juanita

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Sep 17, 2002, 7:35:52 PM9/17/02

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Seriously think of opening a brokerage account with interactive brokers.
Its a dollar to trade 100 shares, you can do it yourself , study up and buy
reits
and energy trusts. The ones I mentioned have stock growth and are pretty
safe. You can end up easily with 15% a year.
When the interest rates start to tighten roll mortgage reits into an energy
trust or apartment reits.
Remember, The one true way to self sufficiency and no day job is self
education and making money work for you, not you working for it.

Beej

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MG

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Sep 17, 2002, 7:38:09 PM9/17/02

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:00:46 -0800, "Christina Foster Peterson"
<cfosterd...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I feel so damn rich and so damn poor, both at the same time.

One of these days, I may have to snitch this for my .sig line!

MG

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Leslie

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Sep 17, 2002, 7:55:10 PM9/17/02

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Yeah same here. But I really need the day job because I sure as all get out
would starve if I had to depend on making any money from my jewelry. But I
love it. I'm finding I love weaving more than stringing and the funny part
is I HATE to sew. go figure.
Leslie (struggling with everything these days)

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Leslie

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Sep 17, 2002, 8:05:46 PM9/17/02

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Juanita, Karen and all {{{{HUGS}}}}. I wish with all my heart I had a
solution. You are all such wonderful people. Juanita, All I hope you'll
find a way. I love your beads and all and I'd hate it if you had to stop.
Wish I had all the right words but know it really is coming from my heart.
Leslie

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Kandice Seeber

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Sep 17, 2002, 8:48:24 PM9/17/02

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Karen, I totally feel for you and know exactly what you're going through.
It's so damn hard to try and be creative when you're working your ass off at
a day job. (((((hugs))))) I really hope you will be able to cut your work
hours to part time and have your beads and jewelry be a good source for a
second income at least.

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:53:48 GMT, "Karen_AZ" <desertd...@cox.net>
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>This is one of those things I'm agonizing over at the moment. For a while

Do you have any savings at all?

Do you have a financial plan?

I noticed quite a few people on here with mental problems. Is that
common in this froup?

Loev,

Ms Pants

BeckiBead

Kathy N-V

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Sep 17, 2002, 11:53:54 PM9/17/02

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in article 3d87d70e...@news.alt.net, mS pANTS eXCLUSIVE bEADS mADE
fROM pOO! wrote on 9/17/02 9:31 PM:

> I noticed quite a few people on here with mental problems. Is that
> common in this froup?
>

No, not more common than in the population as a whole. However, we are well
represented with people that have disabilities, which makes sense,
considering that beading is a sedentary pursuit that takes large chunks of
time.

Until a year and a half ago, I was working a 70+ hour/week as a Web Goddess,
and loved every moment of it. (really, I loved working, even though there
were some individual days that were horrid) I became ill and have been
disabled ever since. It is unlikely that I will work again. I started
beading to give myself something productive to do. Sadly, my story isn't
all that uncommon.

Often physical disability and depression go hand-in-hand. Again, this makes
sense when you consider the incredible life changes that go with the onset
of disability; including physical pain, poverty, and the feelings of sadness
that are normal when one is facing a life-altering illness. I wouldn't call
it "mental problems," as you do. Rather, it is yet another aspect of
dealing with disability.

Kathy N-V

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make us easy to live with."
~ Author Unknown

Sooz

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Sep 18, 2002, 12:38:43 AM9/18/02

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>I am working two jobs right now, and my boyfriend says that
>"two jobs are for two people." LOL. He's so cute.

I don't know about you guys, but I want to know more about this BOYFRIEND.

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Boy, we don't need interrogators here, do we??? The police have *nothing*
on this group!

Mary

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but nobody bothers to ask you the questions.
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Leslie

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Sep 18, 2002, 6:36:20 AM9/18/02

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Uh I noticed that too. Mmmmmmmmmm
Leslie

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On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:53:54 -0400, Kathy N-V <kath...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>in article 3d87d70e...@news.alt.net, mS pANTS eXCLUSIVE bEADS mADE
>fROM pOO! wrote on 9/17/02 9:31 PM:
>
>> I noticed quite a few people on here with mental problems. Is that
>> common in this froup?
>>
>No, not more common than in the population as a whole. However, we are well
>represented with people that have disabilities, which makes sense,
>considering that beading is a sedentary pursuit that takes large chunks of
>time.
>
>Until a year and a half ago, I was working a 70+ hour/week as a Web Goddess,
>and loved every moment of it. (really, I loved working, even though there
>were some individual days that were horrid) I became ill and have been
>disabled ever since. It is unlikely that I will work again. I started
>beading to give myself something productive to do. Sadly, my story isn't
>all that uncommon.

What type of disability do you have?

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On 18 Sep 2002 03:35:43 GMT, drag...@aol.combeads (Cheryl) wrote:

>>
>>I noticed quite a few people on here with mental problems. Is that
>>common in this froup?
>>
>>Loev,
>
>
>DOES THAT INCLUDE YOU

Oh Yes! I hace many many problems but you weill hace to buy my book

Change your Pants, Change your Life, to find out about them.

>
>will you just GO AWAY ......?????
>please!!!!!

Loev,

Ms Pants

Karen_AZ

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Sep 18, 2002, 9:32:29 AM9/18/02

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Juanita shared:

>I don't want to be rich. I've been living on about 600.00 or less a month.
But
I'm getting worn out on trying to figure out where the grocery money is
coming
from.<

I completely agree. Before my ex and I split up, arguing yet one more time
about his endless unemployment, I told him pretty much the same thing. I
don't want a house in Sedona, a big fancy car (well, maybe an old Cessna
172) or a huge house. My goal in life is to have enough cash flow to pay the
usual bills without having to stop and think, or to have my heart clench.
Solvent is ....heaven to me. LOL I'm perfectly willing to save for a trip
and things like that. I just want to be secure in a day-to-day sense. The
rest is extras.

Karen_AZ

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Sep 18, 2002, 9:45:10 AM9/18/02

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>Do you have any savings at all?

Do you have a financial plan?

I noticed quite a few people on here with mental problems. Is that

common in this group? <

Yes, bunches of long-term savings, which I'm resolved not to touch, because
it's for our new house. Same with the financial plan, although Mike has
thrown a wrench into it (we'll actually have MORE eventually, so he's thrown
my numbers off). I also have a trust, but I'd rather have my living,
breathing, travel-round-the-world Mom than the cash. My kids will be well
taken care of, too. Long-term, I have terrific peace of mind. It's just the
NOW that's making me crazy.

I do NOT have a "mental problem". LOL what I do have is Attention Deficit
Disorder (what my former doc called diabetes of the brain, bless her). I
struggled for years undiagnosed, finally got discovered in college, went on
meds for a few years and learned how to survive, then went off for many many
years. I've learned to adjust to the differences, but high levels of input
and my own internal stresses tend to put me on shaky ground. A short zap of
Wellbutrin would help bunches, but I'm stubborn and want to do it myself.
<G>

Oh, and I do NOT watch TV, except for the occasional old movie or cooking
shows on weekends. And that's when I settle in to string my designs. I wish
I could be off the computer, but that's regrettably how I earn my living. I
tend to just post while I'm waiting for downloads.

BeckiBead

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Sep 18, 2002, 10:09:06 AM9/18/02

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OH for god's sake please quit answering her posts. Then maybe it will go
"perform" somewhere else.

Becki

BeckiBead

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>I don't know about you guys, but I want to know more about this BOYFRIEND.

Sooz -- you do. He is the one you offered to eat crackers in bed with me when
we broke up in February. He's back. LOL
Becki

BeckiBead

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Sep 18, 2002, 10:14:57 AM9/18/02

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>Oh my god. I just love, love, LOVE this vision.

Sooz -- I dance everyday. Even when I was only doing Medical Transcription at
home. All the time. At all jobs, LOL.

When I came in for the second interview, I talked to three different people.
One was a VP. He was my third interview and I had been there for 2-1/2 hours,
and I finally said, "Jim. Do you want to know why I want this job?" And of
course he said Yes. So I told him, LOL. "I want to wear great jewelry and
either make or buy fabulous clothes to go with the jewelry and float around
your gorgeous houses."

The man put his head down on top of his hands on the table and stayed there for
at least 30 seconds, LOL. When he came up, his face was BRIGHT red. I don't
know if he was embarassed for me, or trying not to laugh, or just could not
believe the absurdity of it all. At any rate, they interviewed over 60 people
and hired me. It was the only job I interviewed for that I wanted. It was the
only one that was even slightly interesting and that I felt any energy towards.
Being entombed from 9-5 in some office building made me feel dead inside.
Couldn't bring myself to do it.

Becki

Deirdre Sandstrom

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Sep 18, 2002, 11:38:47 AM9/18/02

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I am going to carry this story with me to guide me on my job search in
Portland.

I truly believe that we are the most likely to get what we want when we
are absolutely honest about what that is. With ourselves, primarily. But
also including being honest with the people who have the power to give
it to us.

If they share my vision from the outset, then we are not going to be
constantly at odds -- as we would be if I falsified myself with
role-playing in order to get something. Then I either have to spend gobs
of energy sustaining the role, or when I take my mask off ... the other
person will (correctly) feel betrayed and deceived. They didn't get what
they wanted, they got me!

So, what *do* I want? I really want a job with minimal responsibility
and a whole lot of 'they also serve who only stand and wait'. One where
I don't spend absolutely all the energy I need to make the other aspects
of my life work.

Even if I couldn't string beads at such a job -- though I can imagine
some where I was sufficiently 'behind the scenes' so even that wouldn't
be impossible -- I could certainly make notes and think about / work on
my book idea.

Any great lightbulbs about functions that fit this description where my
tech qualifications might help? Or even things where my tech
qualifications are totally irrelevant? The tech background just has the
potential to raise the ante when it comes to wages.

I enjoyed working graveyard in the past, since usually that's where the
Peaceful part of the day falls. I am a night owl par excellence. And G.
is a day person. We laugh about that. She is up at dawn. I sometimes see
dawn at the point where I am ready to finally go to bed.

We will have to become masters of meeting in the middle.

Deirdre

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Sooz

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Sep 18, 2002, 12:45:36 PM9/18/02

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Oh, cool -- now you don't need me to eat those crackers with! Haw!

>BOYFRIEND.
>
>Sooz -- you do. He is the one you offered to eat crackers in bed with me
>when
>we broke up in February. He's back. LOL
>Becki

Sooz

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Sep 18, 2002, 12:49:40 PM9/18/02

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Beck, I LOVE you.

jonalisa

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Sep 18, 2002, 2:26:30 PM9/18/02

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"stalling" getting the tube out is not really fair to the respiratory
therapy folks and the nurses that are taking care of your special person.
there is a specific set of protocols for weaning someone off the tube, and
if they 'fail' any of the steps, it means that they are NOT READY to breathe
for themselves adequately enough to support life; therefore, they ramp up
the vent and keep them there until it's time to try weaning again.

yes, it is common practice to keep folks who are intubated in a medicated
state that limits their ability to 'fight' the tube or pull out the lines.
and it's common to keep them in soft wrist restraints. rarely, we will get
someone (usually an asthma patient) who is well aware of the need for the
intubation, and will come in asking to be tubed (they really know they need
it). these people usually can be counted on to keep their hands off the
tube. it's usually the 2nd or 3rd time for them, and we can leave them
unmedicated and unrestrained so they can communicate with their notepads and
pens.

sorry about the rant, it's just that we get so many people in the er that
don't understand why we have grandma on a vent, when they want us to do
'everything' to keep her alive. and in the icu, the respiratory therapy
folks try their darndest to get patients off the vent as soon as possible,
because it is better for you to breathe on your own, and it's a lot of work
to keep people on the vent. be fair to them - they are trying to get him to
a point where they don't have to start all over again.

jonalisa rn, bsn, er nurse
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> ]I agree that even comatose people 'know' what is going on around them.

> ]And that continuing to treat them like people instead of inanimate
> ]objects is a healing, comforting thing to do.
>

> it was really hard to convince the nurses that they would get much
> better cooperation out of him if they called him "Mr. _________"
> instead of by his first name! but i don't have any qualms about the
> care he is getting - just that they keep stalling about getting that
> breathing tube out. that is frustrating him no end.
>
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Sep 18, 2002, 3:10:14 PM9/18/02

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:45:10 GMT, "Karen_AZ" <desertd...@cox.net>
wrote:

>>Do you have any savings at all?
>
>Do you have a financial plan?
>
>I noticed quite a few people on here with mental problems. Is that
>common in this group? <
>
>Yes, bunches of long-term savings, which I'm resolved not to touch, because
>it's for our new house. Same with the financial plan, although Mike has
>thrown a wrench into it (we'll actually have MORE eventually, so he's thrown
>my numbers off). I also have a trust, but I'd rather have my living,
>breathing, travel-round-the-world Mom than the cash. My kids will be well
>taken care of, too. Long-term, I have terrific peace of mind. It's just the
>NOW that's making me crazy.
>

But you just said your were having financial problems?

You said,

Kathy N-V

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in article qz3i9.642$lL3.37...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, jonalisa wrote
on 9/18/02 2:26 PM:

> Rarely, we will get

> someone (usually an asthma patient) who is well aware of the need for the
> intubation, and will come in asking to be tubed (they really know they need
> it). these people usually can be counted on to keep their hands off the
> tube. it's usually the 2nd or 3rd time for them, and we can leave them
> unmedicated and unrestrained so they can communicate with their notepads and
> pens.

Where is this hospital? I've never been given the option of going without
sedation when intubated, and I'd gladly live with the pain if I were able to
think clearly. I can't imagine asking to be intubated, though -- I know I
need it sometimes, but I'd rather avoid it if at all possible.

Kathy N-V

Obligatory Bead Reference: Once again, I tried to start on my rubber duckie
for the swap. Unlike all my previous tries, it's actually working! I have
my duck about 1/3 covered with peyote, and then I get to do the fun part --
embellishment!

--
"No one is useless in this world who lightens the burdens of another."
- Charles Dickens (1812 - 1870)

Kandice Seeber

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Sep 18, 2002, 6:56:08 PM9/18/02

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ROFL! :)

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Kandice Seeber

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Sep 18, 2002, 7:35:20 PM9/18/02

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ROFL. :) Yes, I know exactly what you mean! :) I haven't had my
recommended daily allowance of lampwork today! I hear them
calling..........and I have to plug my ears, 'cause I am so broke! :)

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> <see...@attbi.com> :
>
> ]:) Nothing could restore me to sanity. :) But lampworking somes as
close
> ]as it's going to get. :)
>
> LOL! sorry! what i meant was, there are those of us out here who
> NEED those beads you make. they're calling!

Kandice Seeber

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I completely agree. I don't know how I would survive if I did not have the
financial ability to continue beadworking and lampworking. I would go nuts.
I wish with all my heart I could help! (((((hugs)))))

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> Juanita, Karen and all {{{{HUGS}}}}. I wish with all my heart I had a
> solution. You are all such wonderful people. Juanita, All I hope
you'll
> find a way. I love your beads and all and I'd hate it if you had to stop.
> Wish I had all the right words but know it really is coming from my heart.

> Leslie
>
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> "If you judge people, you have no time to love them."
> ~ Mother Teresa
>

> "Juanita Floyd" <rvn...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:20020917170031...@mb-mu.aol.com...
> > >
> > >This is one of those things I'm agonizing over at the moment. For a
while
> > >there, ALL I did was make beads and jewelry, to sell at shows and
online.
> By
> > >my measure, I was pretty darned successful. Unfortunately, some of my

> > >alternative cash resources, like a short-term trust from my dad, ended.
> > >Thud, here I am, out on my own (child support is just lip service, and
I
> > >have it going direct to savings for the kids, to replace what their dad
> > >ripped off).
> > >

> > >So, I'm back to the "normal" work force. My new job is okay, but I
don't
> > >think I can make the production quota they expect, and I'm honestly
> waiting
> > >to be shown the door, but still plugging away. Mike and I had a long
talk
> > >this weekend about how to approach what I think is inevitable. I'm
> > >determined to give it my best shot....but I see the price I'm paying
and
> I
> > >get this knot in my gut that says it's too high. Ideally, I'd like to
be
> > >able to throttle back the transcription "day job" and at least have my
> beads
> > >as a partial income again. It's a matter of spreading myself thin in
the
> > >right places. Hammering away at a keyboard for half-pay is making me
> crazy.
> > >If I at least strike out on my own....in terms of the MT job as well as
> the
> > >beads, I may make out better, and at least end up feeling more sane.
What
> to
> > >do, what to do. I need the arms of Kali to be able to "on this hand"
all
> the
> > >options. <G>
> > >
> > >The sure sign to me that things are amiss is that I'm actively
> considering
> > >going back on Wellbutrin so I can effectively joing the herd. <sigh>
It's
> > >weird, I could work 10-hour days on the torch, totally forget about
lunch
> > >and not mind it, and be happy. Now I'm back to all the little "devices"
> I've
> > >relied on in the past to stick to my job, get the work done in 8 hours
or
> > >less, and at the end of the day I couldn't string a bead if my life
> depended
> > >on it. This sucks.
> >
> > Karen Dear,
> >
> > I know exactly where you are coming from. EXACTLY! I am thinking about
> giving
> > up the auctions and such and taking on more time at my part time job. So
I
> just
> > worked the last 2 days in a row and I am exhausted. I have to be on my
> feet
> > most of the time dealing with the public and I don't know if I can hack
it
> > anymore without significant increase in medication. I have a similar
> situation
> > in that I was getting interest from a CD I had that was inheritance from
> my
> > Grandmother. I've pretty much been living off that since the bead
business
> went
> > south for me. Well, the CD rolls over at the end of the month from a
> 6something
> > % deal to 2.69%. So there will be little or no interest to live on. I'm
> not
> > sure what's worth it.Some serious soul seraching going here in Virginia
I
> can
> > tell you.

> >
> > I don't want to be rich. I've been living on about 600.00 or less a
month.
> But
> > I'm getting worn out on trying to figure out where the grocery money is
> coming
> > from.
> >

> > Sorry to continue your rant...
> > Good Luck,
> > Juanita
> >
> > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/rvnsbrk/
> >
> > Though words are spoken,
> > They cannot be grasped in hand,
> > Only held in heart.
> >
> > J. Floyd
> >
> >
>
>

Kandice Seeber

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Sep 18, 2002, 7:39:16 PM9/18/02

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ROFL - a beading commune. One of those farms where we raise everything and
grow everything and create gorgeous art. Wow, that actually sounds pretty
nice....

--
Kandice
Air & Earth Designs - Beaded Jewelry
www.eclecticbeadery.com
kseeber.rubylane.com

"Juanita Floyd" <rvn...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message

news:20020917170241...@mb-mu.aol.com...
> >Karen - I can so relate to what you're saying. i have just finished a
> >year off from having a "real" job (working really hard at my art and my
> >craftwomanship) and am happier than I've been in ages, but i hate
> >seeing my bank account dwindle to nothing. DH is super supportive, and
> >we CAN make it on one income, but ...
> >Part of that "but" is that I've never been financially dependent on
> >anyone else before and it feels icky sometimes.
> >
> >I really struggle with the marketing and promotion angle, but obviously
> >that is what I will have to do to be able to stay with this newly
> >chosen work that brings me such deep joy.
> >
> >Susan in Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Gotcha there too Susan. My husband's income pays for everything in the
housing
> department and the basic stuff. But I too have never been dependent and
while
> he keeps saying it is OK, I don't FEEL like it's OK.
>
> Maybe we should all get together and starve as a group. :0)

Karen_AZ

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Sep 18, 2002, 7:47:26 PM9/18/02

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Kandice fantasized (and very nicely too)

>ROFL - a beading commune. One of those farms where we raise everything and
grow everything and create gorgeous art. Wow, that actually sounds pretty
nice....<

Hmm, 10 acres suddenly seems too small.

DRUNK Poo BeAdS

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Sep 18, 2002, 7:47:58 PM9/18/02

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On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:35:20 GMT, "Kandice Seeber" <see...@attbi.com>
wrote:

BeckiBead

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Sep 19, 2002, 12:52:17 AM9/19/02

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Well, and now that I have "outted" my boyfriend, there is something I really
want to say about that. I would be with someone else if I could. However,
that someone else is not interested in being with me.

So, I am taking the advice of the mother of one of my good friends, who says,
"Like the one who likes you." The man I am seeing is wonderful, he's kind, he
would never run around on me and he wants me. Those last two qualities are
ones that the one I want does not have.

I didn't want you all to think this was the great love affair of the century or
anything. It was supposed to just be a physical relationship, however, he seems
to be taking it further. Which is interesting because it was me who was
interested before, LOL. Just felt like clearing that up. My heart still
belongs somewhere else. I am working on reeling it back in.

Becki

Rachel T.

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Sep 19, 2002, 1:21:06 AM9/19/02

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>I would be with someone else if I could. However,
>that someone else is not interested in being with me.

Funny how that works. My b/f and I have been together 6 years. Didn't start out
to be a relationship. Now look...

Rachel T.
"Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds
the universe together."
-Carl Zwanzig

Sooz

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Sep 19, 2002, 1:43:09 AM9/19/02

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>Soozie Q -- love you too, you know.

I do, smoochette.