Question for Lampworkers/fusers
Karleen Page
also had won some LW beads from another artist - although they are lovely
the edges of the holes are very sharp and I'm afraid they might cut my
threads. Also I had won quite a few fused pendants a while back from a fuser
on Ebay, and sent them all back because of the hole problem, although they
were very pretty as well.
This is my question - why are some holes smooth and some sharp? Is there
something that the other LW/fusers should be doing to combat this problem?
One of the ones mentioned above told me to take an emery file and try to
smooth them, but surely that should be part of the bead/pendant making
process before it gets to the beader? I was afraid I might break them also
and lose my investment! Should the beads be put back in the kiln after
removing them from the mandrel, to smooth rough edges, as FP crystals are
done?
I realize the importance of annealing, and always check to see that the
beads are annealed. Perhaps there should also be an indication that the bead
hole edges are smoothed in some way? I also noticed bead release in the
problem beads. Perhaps these artisans aren't cleaning them correctly either?
As I said, I was delighted with Jackie Mixon's beads and they had very
smooth holes too!
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Suzanne Gunn
your money. Lamp worked beads should have puckers, and should never
have sharp ends.
The ones with sharp ends go to my 5 yr old, or in the trash.
No offense to the lampworker, but they should never sell those beads.
Suzanne
Suzanne Gunn
Sorry, I responded before reading your entire post.
Yes, the bead release should be always be cleaned out before selling.
The beads should be made in such a way as not to have sharp ends.
If they have sharp ends, you would have to use a diamond file to get rid
of them, and then the bead is ruined anyway. They should have never
been sold.
As far as the fused beads, usually the hole is formed using fibre paper
in the kiln. The artist doesnt have as much control over sharpness
etc...since it's done in the kiln, except maybe by grinding the edges of
the glass in a different way before firing.
Ive only fused tiles and things like that..
Joan..are you reading? You could give more insight on the fused jewelry
stuff.
Suzanne
Suzanne
Karleen Page
technique, as I haven't ever made LW beads or fused pendants... But couldn't
the Lampworker/fuser put them back in the kiln like fire polished crystals
and help smooth the edge as well? Or is it too late by then? I hate to think
of all the lovely beads that might be thrown away! :)
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Suzanne Gunn
lol...LOTS of beads hit the trash in a lampworkers life! And apparently
a lot more SHOULD!
Suzanne
Beadesignr
>something that the other LW/fusers should be doing to combat this problem?
>One of the ones mentioned above told me to take an emery file and try to
>smooth them, but surely that should be part of the bead/pendant making
>process before it gets to the beader? I was afraid I might break them also
>and lose my investment! Should the beads be put back in the kiln after
>removing them from the mandrel, to smooth rough edges, as FP crystals are
>done?
>
>I realize the importance of annealing, and always check to see that the
>beads are annealed. Perhaps there should also be an indication that the bead
>hole edges are smoothed in some way? I also noticed bead release in the
>problem beads. Perhaps these artisans aren't cleaning them correctly either?
There's no excuse for selling beads with the bead release still in the holes!
It takes a second to clean out. As for sharp holes, any good lampworker will
smooth them before selling (although they shouldn't be there in the first
place). It should NOT be up to the buyer to have to smooth them out.
If anyone is ever unhappy with my beads for any reason, I offer a full refund
or other beads of thier choice. This is simply good business.
Evalynne
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Quest Glass Studio
strongly enough with Suzanne! What causes sharp edges and some
thoughts on the topic in general....
Beads that have 'sharp edges' come from a LW either 'tipping
the mandrel one way or the other when the glass is molten
OR simply heating the gather on the mandrel waaaaayy too hot
causing excessive retraction. And once that glass is 'sticking
out there' the bead belongs in the glass trash bin IMO. Grinding
them off as Suzanne said can be done but in my mind defaces the
quality of the bead (unless the bead is purposefully faceted mind
you or ground for some specific purpose). Quality beads have
'puckered butts' lol! And should be smooth as a babies)!
These things you describe are a HUGE problem - and
I'll probably displease some (or many) by saying the following,
but any bead with sharp ends, not KILN ANNEALED, one 'bad side',
chipped, cracked (yes, even TINY chips/cracks) should be trashed!...
Here's why......
(And I tell my students this EVERY CLASS -)
Not only are these points of of personal
mastery/honor/skill but it effects the 'bead economy'
If buyers invest in a bead (even cheap!) they are still unhappy
if it breaks in their treasure box or design. If a designer buys
uses and resells it and it breaks then both the original designer
and the secondary customer think 'lampworkbeads = BAD BUY'!
Remember too - if you're a new LW You and your work will get better,
(or if you're an older lampworker, you'll have a better day next
time at the torch!) WE all have bad beads on occasion, newbie
or veteran! But like things put in writing, bad beads can long
outlive your control - and I've talked to LWBM who WISH they could
'call back' early less than ideal work that now haunts their
name/rep! Remember the adds, 'sell no wine before it's time'
(old wine add) or 'you never get as second chance to make a
first impression? (old head & shoulders shampoo add)
Both statements are true! (not that I'm suggesting any of us
have dandruff or drink LOL!)
If beadmakers 'annoy' the buyers buy selling 'inferiors' or
become 'known' with less than good work it harms not only the
just seriously reemerging art of lampwork, but also the beadmaker
AND the market for lampwork beads. (Now remember I'm referring
to TECHNICALLY good beads as in: good ends KILN annealed, no
cracks, beads that are clean, etc. Not art/personal style!
Those evolve all thru any artist life - and new technique will
show growth and advance so don't think I suggesting no one should
offer a bead till they arrive at some 'artistic zenith' - I'm not!
(and I don't want to have my hair ripped out, lol!) There's a REALLY
important distinction between TECHNICALLY SOUND and THE PERFECT BEAD!)
Don't know a thing about fusing (aren't you glad? lol!) so no rambling
on that topic!
I'd certainly let the seller know that the bead presents use problems
and quality concerns for you (the sharp glass ends you describe
WILL cut - not IF but when - the stringing material) so contact
her/him
with the information at the very least. As to return/refund, Face it
a great deal of 'quality control' in the LW bead market comes from
all the GREAT buyers! If bidders/buyers wont tolerate sharp edges,
or non kiln annealed beads, etc then it will stop (sadly) much
more quickly than the slower 'evolution' of convincing all beadmakers
that these are essential requirements for quality beads.
I'm astoundingly aware that these are not views/standards shared
by all LWBM or even all bidder/buyers. But if you (not you
Karleen!lol!
I mean in general!) think about it, it's really an opportunity we all
share (LWBM, LWBM teachers, and buyers) to be able to improve and
shape
the long term expectations, acceptance, growth and economy of this
astoundingly beautiful art form!
Hmmm, think I should shut up now?!?
Thanks to all for reading
(at least if I get flamed I'm USED to fire! lol!)
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Beadesignr
>mastery/honor/skill but it effects the 'bead economy'
>If buyers invest in a bead (even cheap!) they are still unhappy
>if it breaks in their treasure box or design.
That's the great thing about buying lampwork on eBay - you can read all of the
customer's feedback for the lampworkers. I would advise everyone to click on
the "feedback" number.
Evalynne
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Bev Brandt
> If you fire polish a lampworked bead it will be a puddle.
>
> lol...LOTS of beads hit the trash in a lampworkers life! And apparently
> a lot more SHOULD!
>
> Suzanne
Suzanne, if it looks like I'm electronically stalking you, it's just
because I'm not only a beginning stained glass worker, but also a
beginning lampworker and a future fuser. (And remember, you and I have
similar...*friends* with blue wine bottles!) If it's made of glass,
I'm interested.
I've kept nearly every one of my beads - which at this point in my
"career" is less than 100 and mostly mistakes. I only pitched them if
they cracked. While I too have youngsters that would be interested,
the oldest boy is a 6 and really only interested in the process
because it includes FIRE! My girl would leave them scattered around
the house and my youngest is at the very young stage in life when most
items are either thrown or eaten - or both.
So. The mistakes stay in the workshop under a large glass bell
inherited from grandpa the watchmaker.
I have some ideas for these beads - my own wine glass markers, string
a bunch of them for myself, fill a "mistake jar" and call it art, or
put them in an aquarium if I can (does the release hurt the fish? I
think someone asked that a while back...) What else do you and other
lampworkers do with their mistakes?
Or am I just too emotionally attached to my globs of glass?
Bev
Pam East
bowl" myself. I can't bring myself to throw any of them out! I would never
sell less than perfect beads, of course, but that doesn't mean I won't think
of SOMETHING to do with them eventually. Sometimes just fondling them is
soothing. lol
Kaytee
>bowl" myself. I can't bring myself to throw any of them out!<
opinion on what constitutes a "reject", that includes most of my former
treasure hoard of Indian lampwork....).
Kaytee
Suzanne Gunn
Bev Brandt wrote:
lol...that's VODKA in the blue! ;o)
Well...welcome to the world of glass. Nothing like getting into it all
at once! ;o)
You'll be less obsessed with keeping your mistakes as time goes by.
My little guy oohs and aahhhhs with every thing I make. A couple of
years ago at the dinner table he announced "I want to be a mommy when I
grow up.." I said..."dont you mean a daddy?" "nope"...
Went back and forth like that a while, and finally I asked "why do you
want to be a mommy?" He said "so I can make glass!"
He likes to touch all my glass. He's a natural, but not frequently
allowed in my studio, cause it's 5 work benches in only about 150 sq
feet, and LOTS and LOTS of glass. If he fell anywhere it could be
disastrous.
He gets reject beads and adds them to a long string he has. Some of
them are just wild.... and I make something really off the wall! ;o)
Beads with petticoats sort of thing.
I dont feel stalked, and if I can help you in anyway...just let me know.
Suzanne Gunn
in my studio, I toss them in the trash.
Suzanne
Rachael
>in my studio, I toss them in the trash.
>
>Suzanne
Suzanne,
What was your address again? Oh, and if you see a brunette woman, about
5'4 going through your trash late one night, PLEASE don't call the cops.
Rachael
There isn't a bead that I don't need!
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Karleen Page
My hubby thinks he can fix the ones I was talking about, because I really
like the color/designs in them, and think they'll be ok if I put them on
headpins instead of thread. I WILL let her know though that it is a problem!
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Karleen Page
OR maybe you could turn them into glass donuts!!! if they puddle...
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Karleen Page
Of course the problem still is, from a buyer's perspective, if you are
buying beads on auction or through a website and not in person, that you
can't tell by looking at a pic if the edges are sharp or not - So I guess
trying out a new lampworker is a risky business!
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Jackie Mixon
Hi Karleen - I am so happy that you like my beads. I have been making
lampwork beads for 7 years and would be horrified to have beads with
sharp edges. That is an absolute no-no. Those are practice beads and
should not be sold. I agree that you should get your money back from
the LWs that sent you inferior beads. We all work very hard to have a
nice pucker around the bead hole.
That is one of the things on ebay - buyer beware. It is so unfortunate
that you can't tell the good experienced lampworkers from the newbies.
We are thrown in there with everyone else and there is no way to know.
This is something that I voiced earlier. How do I get more people to
look at my auctions. I've been told it is just going to take time and
it is the comments from people like yourself who can help me to
succeed. Myself and other experienced beadmakers would not sell a bead
that was not well made. It's not easy and takes constant effort. There
are diamond tools you can use to fix any rough spots but it is still
an inferior product. And of course every bead should be cleaned.
You and other buyers need to help push the bar of excellence - don't
accept bad product. Make sure that you let these people know the
product is not good. How else are they going to know to work harder
make a better product. I do teach glass beadmaking and I stress smooth
holes, evenly weighted beads, don't work too hot, don't smear the
design. When I'm teaching I take a couple of beads and we go through
what makes a good lampwork bead:
Are the holes smooth and have a slight pucker around them?
There should be no separator sticking to the edges or showing.
Design should be clean and crisp - if the design is overheated it is
soft and sometimes smeared.
Airbubbles should be to a minimum if at all.
Bead should be centered and evenly weighted - not more glass on one
side than another.
I could go on and on but those are some of the things you should watch
for before buying a bead.
I have a friend who is a known beadmaker and is considering putting
beads on ebay. I have already warned her what I am going through just
to get people to view my auctions, let alone buy my beads on ebay. She
said there must be a way we can let people know who we are and what
kind of product we have. I'd sure like other people's opinions.
jmdesign - Jackie Mixon
Suzanne Gunn
You dont want junk beads.
you want the good stuff.
if they are in the trash..trust me, that's where they belong! ;o)
Suzanne
Suzanne Gunn
melt moretti. Different glasses have different COE's (coeffient of
expansion) melts at different temp.s etc.
Suzanne
Suzanne Gunn
be discovered and you can enjoy it at a great price while you can.
Suzanne
Karleen Page
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> Airbubbles should be to a minimum if at all.
What about those plunged beads that have an air bubble as part of the
design?
Karleen Page
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Beadesignr
>trying out a new lampworker is a risky business!
That's why feedback on eBay is such a good idea! If the seller has a lot of
positives, her or his work is probably good. (proud of my 703 positives, 365
from unique users and zero negatives). I would say, go ahead and give new
lampworkers a try, too. How else will you discover new talent? Newbies need
encouragement.
Evalynne
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Beadesignr
>Airbubbles should be to a minimum if at all.
>Bead should be centered and evenly weighted - not more glass on one
>side than another.
Depends. If I'm making a waterfall bead or an oceanic style, I purposely poke
air bubbles to give it an underwater look. Some of my pendants are meant to be
slightly heavier on one side as part of the design. Part of the "Uncommon" in
"Beads Uncommon". They have a look all thier own. I've always felt that there's
too much copying in the glass world.
I do agree about the sharp edges and bead release, though.
Evalynne
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Lee S. Billings
says...
>I make tree jewelry out of "reject" Indian lampwork (and with my current
>opinion on what constitutes a "reject", that includes most of my former
>treasure hoard of Indian lampwork....).
"Tree jewelry"?
Celine
--
"Only the powers of evil claim that doing good is boring."
-- Diane Duane, _Nightfall at Algemron_
Shel
work of artisans. Could you and other lampworkers of a similar mind in
terms of quality form some sort of guild? Or is there one already?
Just a thought thrown out before I've had my coffee.
Shelby
Beadesignr
> We all work very hard to have a
>nice pucker around the bead hole.>>
Maybe someone should post a jpg of "bead butts" so people can see what we mean.
>That is one of the things on ebay - buyer beware. It is so unfortunate
>that you can't tell the good experienced lampworkers from the newbies.
>We are thrown in there with everyone else and there is no way to know.>>
This is where feedback comes in. Always check the seller's feedback. It's also
a good idea to find out about the seller's exchange policy. Some of the newbies
who have very little feedback can be quite good, too. Well worth taking a
chance.
>This is something that I voiced earlier. How do I get more people to
>look at my auctions. I've been told it is just going to take time and
>it is the comments from people like yourself who can help me to
>succeed.
There's a Yahoo list called Bead Shop. You can advertise your auctions on
there. I also have Virtual Bead Market every Friday on my Yahoo group (Things
of Beauty Beadwork). You're more than welcome to advertise there.
<< Myself and other experienced beadmakers would not sell a bead
>that was not well made. It's not easy and takes constant effort. There
>are diamond tools you can use to fix any rough spots but it is still
>an inferior product. And of course every bead should be cleaned.>>
Cleaning the release only takes a few seconds. There's no excuse for neglecting
to do it.
>
> I do teach glass beadmaking and I stress smooth
>holes, evenly weighted beads, don't work too hot, don't smear the
>design.>>
Smooth holes, always a must. But some of my beads are purposely weighted more
on one side than the other. This is so they'll hang at an angle - really great
for sculptural necklaces and bracelets.
I overheat for certain effects. For example, if I want the metal oxides to come
out on the rubino or aqua, I'll overheat the bead. Then it goes into a
reduction flame for a few minutes. Another "rule" that I break is overheating
the bead for a smoky appearance in a certain area.
>
>Design should be clean and crisp - if the design is overheated it is
>soft and sometimes smeared.>>
This is another "rule" I purposely break in order to acheive a certain effect.
>Airbubbles should be to a minimum if at all.
I put air bubbles in my oceanic and waterfall beads. It gives them a more
aquatic look.
>I could go on and on but those are some of the things you should watch
>for before buying a bead.
Depends on the style the person is looking for.
>
>I have a friend who is a known beadmaker and is considering putting
>beads on ebay. I have already warned her what I am going through just
>to get people to view my auctions, let alone buy my beads on ebay. She
>said there must be a way we can let people know who we are and what
>kind of product we have. I'd sure like other people's opinions.>>
There are lots of places online where you can "let 'em know you're there"! It
does take a while to build up a customer base.
Please don't take my comments the wrong way. I really admire your lampwork; my
favourites are the dark floral hearts and the amazing sunflower cylinders.
Absloutely elegant!
I feel that there is room in the glass world for many styles. I've always
"coloured outside the lines" and got into trouble for it in grade school..LOL!
I'm still colouring outside the lines. I don't believe in strict rules for
design - all the beads would look alike. However, my beads have smooth holes
and no leftover bead release. On that we agree!
Evalynne
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Mike Aurelius
Airbubbles should be to a minimum if at all.
I dunno about this one...many times bubbles are part of the design, and put
there intentionally. There are a great number of well respected beadmakers
(as well as marble makers) who use bubbles for wonderful effect.
Mike
Kaytee
Yes. Strings of beads, some with sun-catchers (CD's mostly) or jingles on the
ends, hanging from my trees.... Beads are on wire (tiger tail or copper),
connected to the wire-wrapped CDs/etc with a swivel connecter (from the fishing
dept at WalMart). Of course, you can also put them on plant hangers/hanging
baskets....
Kaytee
DivaOcean
school..LOL! I'm still colouring outside the lines.
Do you remember that TV ad a few years back (for Toyota??-??) that had a young
woman behind the wheel of a car, laughing wildly, as she recalled her strict
grade school teacher saying, "STAY BETWEEN THE LINES!" I LOVED that ad! She
wasn't staying inside the lines anymore!!
I had a rubber stamp in my art stamp company that said (in bold, bossy
lettering) STAY BETWEEN THE LINES. Meant to be ironic, it sold really well....
--Sooz
Lori Sousa
>buying beads on auction or through a website and not in person, that you
>can't tell by looking at a pic if the edges are sharp or not -
this is why I buy lampwork mostly at shows - I do the same w/ pearls and stone,
too - can't always tell from the pics, whether it be web or catalog.
However,last nite I was browsing thru a catalog, looking at the finished
designs for sale, just for kicks, and noticed the really out of aligmment
necklaces they were selling. Way too many crooked beads in that bunch!
Lori Sousa
Briarrose Designs
handcrafted jewelry, traditional care, contemporary flair
Lori Sousa
>slightly heavier on one side as part of the design.
right - but those are pendants - not beads (if you see what I mean) A bead
meant to be strung and to spin should spin freely - not always hang the same
way down cos its lopsided. (you can check out stone beads the same way) Your
pendants are *meant* to always fall one way - not the same thing at all.
Bev Brandt
I had a bunch of tiny bubbles in a couple of beads I was making in a
class. The instructor - who is really friendly and wonderful - was
telling the class (as we were all making some beads, including me and
my bubblies) that bubbles were "tacky."
After our beads annealed, I showed her mine in an effort to ask what
happened and how I had inadvertently achieved this "tackiness." To
which she responded: "Oh! I changed my mind! Those are pretty!" If
they'd been done in a light amber, they'd have looked like champagne.
I can't for the life of me replicate it.
Bev
BJ Chadwick
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>
> Evalynne
> http://www.beadsuncommon.com
>
>
Just caught up with some of your auctions on e-bay. I really like your work
-- You have an interesting style on the ones I saw. May have to bid on one
or two.
BJ
BeckiBead
stones. A lot of normal everyday items around the house work on jewlery
products.
BeckiBead
>5'4 going through your trash late one night, PLEASE don't call the cops.
>
>Rachael
I'm only 5-3-1/2, but I can push you out of the way....LOL
BeckiBead
Turn them into frit, then use in on your beads. Because of Mavis Smith, I am a
freak for frit beads now.
BeckiBead
the holes and finishing processes prior to buying, perhaps the bad beadmakers
will realize they have to change or they won't be able to sell their wares.
RVNSBRK
>like the color/designs in them, and think they'll be ok if I put them on
>headpins instead of thread.
Karleen,
I guess I'm not the expert, but I was taught a long time ago when I started
doing lampwork (8 years or more now) that most if not all lampwork should be
strung on something like softflex or tiger tail. Never on thread at any rate.
Not only because the beads themselves no matter how well made, can not only cut
the thread, but the weight alone stretches out the thread itself. I NEVER
string lampwork on thread of any kind. That might solve your problem.
Juanita
Jackie Mixon
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I needed to be that literal. If air
bubbles are a part of a design they should be where they are placed
not all over the place! If the bead is encased and air bubbles are NOT
part of the design they should be minimal if at all.
Jackie
Suzanne Gunn
and maybe we should add to our auction descriptions...
"nice firm puckered hinies!" ;o)
Suzanne
Kandice Seeber
That's priceless! I dare you!! :D :D :D
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Suzanne Gunn
The little boy went first day of school
He got some crayons and started to draw
He put colors all over the paper
For colors was what he saw
And the teacher said.. What you doin' young man
I'm paintin' flowers he said
She said... It's not the time for art young man
And anyway flowers are green and red
There's a time for everything young man
And a way it should be done
You've got to show concern for everyone else
For you're not the only one
And she said...
Flowers are red young man
Green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than they way they always have been seen
But the little boy said...
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every one
Well the teacher said.. You're sassy
There's ways that things should be
And you'll paint flowers the way they are
So repeat after me.....
And she said...
Flowers are red young man
Green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than they way they always have been seen
But the little boy said...
There are so many colors in the rainbow
So many colors in the morning sun
So many colors in the flower and I see every one
The teacher put him in a corner
She said.. It's for your own good..
And you won't come out 'til you get it right
And are responding like you should
Well finally he got lonely
Frightened thoughts filled his head
And he went up to the teacher
And this is what he said.. and he said
Flowers are red, green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than the way they always have been seen
Time went by like it always does
And they moved to another town
And the little boy went to another school
And this is what he found
The teacher there was smilin'
She said...Painting should be fun
And there are so many colors in a flower
So let's use every one
But that little boy painted flowers
In neat rows of green and red
And when the teacher asked him why
This is what he said.. and he said
Flowers are red, green leaves are green
There's no need to see flowers any other way
Than the way they always have been seen.
Suzanne Gunn
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Just now catching up on posts. I was looking to see if anyone
else had responded to the question on fused beads. Of course, fused beads
should NEVER have sharp jaggies (I call them 'widowmakers" :-) by the holes, or
anywhere else. I also don't like a puckered in look that you sometimes see on
fused bead/pendant holes. Almost everything I make has gone through several
firings, the last one is usually a final fire polish. If there are sharp edges
anywhere, I file them off gently on my glass grinder, and firepolish in the
kiln. And, no, I don't sell my stuff on eBay.... yet!
I used to use cut up
mandrels coated in kiln wash to create holes, but I had such a hard time getting
rid of the bead release, I have switched to using fiber paper to create holes...
it rinses out with absolutely no residue.
Joan
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:11:51
GMT, Suzanne Gunn wrote:
>
>
>Sorry, I responded before reading your entire
post.
>
>Yes, the bead release should be always be cleaned out before
selling.
>
>The beads should be made in such a way as not to have sharp
ends.
>If they have sharp ends, you would have to use a diamond file to get
rid
>of them, and then the bead is ruined anyway. They should have never
>been
sold.
>
>As far as the fused beads, usually the hole is formed using fibre
paper
>in the kiln. The artist doesnt have as much control over
sharpness
>etc...since it's done in the kiln, except maybe by grinding the edges
of
>the glass in a different way before firing.
>
>Ive only fused tiles and
things like that..
>
>Joan..are you reading? You could give more insight on the
fused jewelry
>stuff.
>
>
>Suzanne
>
>Suzanne
Suzanne Gunn
paper under also?
So...first firing...say the edge next to my kiln shelf is a little
sharp...you grind a little then firepolish? It wont flatten out on the
edge again?
Kandice Seeber
wonderful, too. :)
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I can't wait to see what my mother has to say! ;o) Somethings never
change!
Suzanne
Lee S. Billings
says...
Cool! Thanks for the elaboration -- they sound lovely.
Karleen Page
cut the soft flex or tiger tail as well. I just repaired a necklace for a
lady where the tiger tail broke - perhaps from sharp beads. I'm thinking
that if the beads are strung on headpins, that might be the safest way.
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bitsy pieces, and sometimes things shift a little in firing. Sometimes I need
to refine the shape, or take off a sharp piece. If I have to do a lot of
grinding on one edge, I will grind all the edges so when they are firepolished,
they will all look similar in 'roundness'.
Joan
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> news:33c3c488.0110...@posting.google.com...
> > Karleen, you bring up some EXCELLENT points "
Karleen Page" <DONTSPAM...@vibrantpages.com> wrote:
LOL you should write a book!
Karleen!
:-) LOL! For sure no one who knows me EVER says I'm capable
of (or inclined to be) 'brief'! :-) And without doubt this
is a subject of passion for me ~ I'm so glad you
started this thread - which is becoming a very interesting
'tapestry'! (& glad you found my 'ramblings' useful! Thanks)!
Now I have to go see if Suzanne REALLY put 'HINNES' in
her auction copy! (Oh Kandice what have you started! lol!)
Faith
> "
> > strongly enough with Suzanne! What causes sharp edges and some
> > thoughts on the topic in general....
> >
> > Beads that have 'sharp edges' come from a LW either 'tipping
> > the mandrel one way or the other when the glass is molten
> > OR simply heating the gather on the mandrel waaaaayy too hot
> > causing excessive retraction. And once that glass is 'sticking
> > out there' the bead belongs in the glass trash bin IMO. Grinding
> > them off as Suzanne said can be done but in my mind defaces the
> > quality of the bead (unless the bead is purposefully faceted mind
> > you or ground for some specific purpose). Quality beads have
> > 'puckered butts' lol! And should be smooth as a babies)!
> >
> > These things you describe are a HUGE problem - and
> > I'll probably displease some (or many) by saying the following,
> > but any bead with sharp ends, not KILN ANNEALED, one 'bad side',
> > chipped, cracked (yes, even TINY chips/cracks) should be trashed!...
> >
> > Here's why......
> > (And I tell my students this EVERY CLASS -)
> >
> > Not only are these points of of personal
> > mastery/honor/skill but it effects the 'bead economy'
> > If buyers invest in a bead (even cheap!) they are still unhappy
> > if it breaks in their treasure box or design. If a designer buys
> > uses and resells it and it breaks then both the original designer
> > and the secondary customer think 'lampworkbeads = BAD BUY'!
> > Remember too - if you're a new LW You and your work will get better,
> > (or if you're an older lampworker, you'll have a better day next
> > time at the torch!) WE all have bad beads on occasion, newbie
> > or veteran! But like things put in writing, bad beads can long
> > outlive your control - and I've talked to LWBM who WISH they could
> > 'call back' early less than ideal work that now haunts their
> > name/rep! Remember the adds, 'sell no wine before it's time'
> > (old wine add) or 'you never get as second chance to make a
> > first impression? (old head & shoulders shampoo add)
> > Both statements are true! (not that I'm suggesting any of us
> > have dandruff or drink LOL!)
> >
> > If beadmakers 'annoy' the buyers buy selling 'inferiors' or
> > become 'known' with less than good work it harms not only the
> > just seriously reemerging art of lampwork, but also the beadmaker
> > AND the market for lampwork beads. (Now remember I'm referring
> > to TECHNICALLY good beads as in: good ends KILN annealed, no
> > cracks, beads that are clean, etc. Not art/personal style!
> > Those evolve all thru any artist life - and new technique will
> > show growth and advance so don't think I suggesting no one should
> > offer a bead till they arrive at some 'artistic zenith' - I'm not!
> > (and I don't want to have my hair ripped out, lol!) There's a REALLY
> > important distinction between TECHNICALLY SOUND and THE PERFECT BEAD!)
> >
> > Don't know a thing about fusing (aren't you glad? lol!) so no rambling
> > on that topic!
> >
> > I'd certainly let the seller know that the bead presents use problems
> > and quality concerns for you (the sharp glass ends you describe
> > WILL cut - not IF but when - the stringing material) so contact
> > her/him
> > with the information at the very least. As to return/refund, Face it
> > a great deal of 'quality control' in the LW bead market comes from
> > all the GREAT buyers! If bidders/buyers wont tolerate sharp edges,
> > or non kiln annealed beads, etc then it will stop (sadly) much
> > more quickly than the slower 'evolution' of convincing all beadmakers
> > that these are essential requirements for quality beads.
> >
> > I'm astoundingly aware that these are not views/standards shared
> > by all LWBM or even all bidder/buyers. But if you (not you
> > Karleen!lol!
> > I mean in general!) think about it, it's really an opportunity we all
> > share (LWBM, LWBM teachers, and buyers) to be able to improve and
> > shape
> > the long term expectations, acceptance, growth and economy of this
> > astoundingly beautiful art form!
> >
> > Hmmm, think I should shut up now?!?
> >
> > Thanks to all for reading
> > (at least if I get flamed I'm USED to fire! lol!)
> >
> > Faith
> >
> > http://www.fdferrisbeads.bigstep.com Just Beads Auctions
> > http://www.justbeads.com/auction/SellerAuctions.asp?User=5733
> > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/the*quest*continues
> >
Beadesignr
>young
>woman behind the wheel of a car, laughing wildly, as she recalled her strict
>grade school teacher saying, "STAY BETWEEN THE LINES!" I LOVED that ad! She
>wasn't staying inside the lines anymore!!
>
>I had a rubber stamp in my art stamp company that said (in bold, bossy
>lettering) STAY BETWEEN THE LINES. Meant to be ironic, it sold really
>well....
Lol! That's how I've always been - "outside the lines". "Lines" stifle
creativity.
Evalynne
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Beadesignr
>-- You have an interesting style on the ones I saw. May have to bid on one
>or two.
>
Thank you! I get a lot of joy out of making them.
Evalynne
http://www.beadsuncommon.com
Beadesignr
Beadesignr
>meant to be strung and to spin should spin freely - not always hang the same
>way down cos its lopsided. (you can check out stone beads the same way) Your
>pendants are *meant* to always fall one way - not the same thing at all.
>
cases when I make a set. Even then, some of my sets will consist of a Wave
pendant with tiny matching Wave pendants.
Evalynne
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Beadesignr
>"nice firm puckered hinies!" ;o)
>
>Suzanne
If you will, I will ..LOL!
Evalynne
http://www.beadsuncommon.com
Beadesignr
>doing lampwork (8 years or more now) that most if not all lampwork should be
>strung on something like softflex or tiger tail. Never on thread at any rate.
>Not only because the beads themselves no matter how well made, can not only
>cut
>the thread, but the weight alone stretches out the thread itself. I NEVER
>string lampwork on thread of any kind. That might solve your problem.
>
>Juanita
I have this little tool that not only removes bead release, it gives the hole a
tiny chamfer. This is visible only with a magnifying glass. It takes out any
possibility of inner sharp edges.
There's also Power Pro for stringing. I dulled some scissors cutting this
stuff! You can only cut it with a razor or kid's Fiskars.
Evalynne
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BeckiBead
before I went to bed.
DivaOcean
I'm 5' 7". Watch out.........
--Sooz (shoving)
DivaOcean
What is frit?
--Sooz
DivaOcean
>"nice firm puckered hinies!" ;o)
A sense of humor like that in the auction text would make me buy from that
buyer. I LOVE that.
--Sooz
Letrinka
Umm, 5' 10.5", add another 2 or 3 inches for the heels of my pointy-toed boots,
it's no contest, those beads are mine. And I've got a team of Samoyeds in
training right now to pull a sled full of them home.
Suzanne Gunn
It's an upbeat tune and teaches a lesson. It's not that depressing when
you hear it.
Suzanne
Suzanne Gunn
of frit. You can have chunks of glass, or fine powdered frit.
Frit beads are usually rolled in frit.
Suzanne
Suzanne Gunn
Ive been teaching all week...and those kids wear me out.
Suzanne
Suzanne Gunn
Kandice Seeber
what you mean. I didn't know what they were called though. :)
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little puckered hinies. :)
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them home.
HAH! I've been dogsledding for 11 years. Next?
--Sooz
Karleen Page
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> I've never heard the song before but it depressed the hell out of me last
night
> before I went to bed.
>
us listened to that first teacher's advice! Probably not ANY of us! And I
imagine our kids didn't/won't either!
When my children were very young, my art teacher let me bring them to class
with me - and she liked my son's drawings & paintings better than mine! LOL
I'll never forget the pic I so carefully spent hours sketching before water
coloring it, and then Seth decided to color it red with a crayon when my
back was turned. At first I was upset, then I took his cue and began to
experiment with wax resist - turned out to be a one of my better paintings.
My art teacher actually took some of his scribblings and incorporated them
into her paintings.
Coloring in the lines with the "right colors"? NO WAY!!! LOL
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I really did! Honest.
___________________________________________
Suzanne!
LOL! I love it! Count me in!
(Do I see the beginnings a group of beamakers known as...
"The cute bead hinnie bead gals?!!! ROFLMAO!) I'd thought of
"The cute puckered bead hinnie women", but sounded
toooo much like a hemmaroid ad! LOL! ;-)
(Tho we'll have to be careful or we may give Suzannes's mom a
heart attack!) Not to mention what ebay may think of it! ha!
Oh Evelynnneeeeeeeee....you game?
Wait! What about' BUFF HINNIE BEADS?
Or BUFF HINNIE BEAD BABES! (no that sounds like WE have
buff hinnies (and I for one do NOT - TOOOO MANY TWINKIES!lol!)
(wow, I'm on a roll - watch out! ;->
Ok, leaving now......!
F.
Lori Sousa
Depends - they can if you leave them pretty much "as is" or you can melt them
in more and just use them for visual texture instead of physical texture.
Unfortunately, the effects don't show off too well in photos, but they are
great in person!
Lori Sousa
Briarrose Designs
handcrafted jewelry, traditional care, contemporary flair
Beadesignr
>Ive been teaching all week...and those kids wear me out.
I don't have an auction running this week. I need to make some more beads.
Weaseled out of that one, eh?..LOL!
I will when I run my next auction, though.
Evalynne
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Beadesignr
>in more and just use them for visual texture instead of physical texture.
>Unfortunately, the effects don't show off too well in photos, but they are
>great in person!
Or if you're feeling especially brave, you can make crackle beads with frit on
them.
Evalynne
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BeckiBead
crystal glass, and those are vintage sugar beads.
Sometimes, especially in India lampwork, the frit isn't melted back in and
leaves a raised portion. I only had one picture of a bracelet made with a frit
bead (and I don't like it) so I will see what I can find for the "visual
explanation"
BeckiBead
>training right now to pull a sled full of them home.
>
I've a got a pocketful of biscuits, and I can can duck right under your arm.
Bring it on.
Letrinka
>Bring it on.
Biscuits they'll pass on. But bring a pocketful of bait (liver and garlic,
mashed together and baked) or salmon, and they'll follow you anywhere. Just be
sure to wash the pockets before heading out on a date LOL
Suzanne Gunn
I've been teaching school all week this week, and those kids wear me
out. Im hoping to get caught up this weekend so I can at least get some
up Sunday or Tuesday. Im teaching Monday too...and dont know how much
energy I'll have that night. Sometimes when Im teaching I just come
home and crash!
TGIF!! ;o)
Suzanne
Suzanne Gunn
DivaOcean
mashed together and baked) or salmon, and they'll follow you anywhere. Just be
sure to wash the pockets before heading out on a date LOL
HO HO HO!! What a scene!
(My huskies prefer freshly-killed gopher.)
--Sooz
BeckiBead
>sure to wash the pockets before heading out on a date LOL
>
And take off the clothespin I'll have on my nose, LOL
Jim Moore
For those of you folks who are new to lampworking like myself and you want
to avoid "sharp holes" and make nice "puckered holes" please read the
article "Making a Fine Round Bead" by James Smircich in the October issue
(Bead Annual) of Lapidary Journal on page 76.
I have had several teachers who showed me the "wrong way" as Jim talks
about. I read this article and now I make "Fine Round Beads". It's pretty
simple stuff.
I am working with a "Hot Head" torch and it's a little slow, but then again
so am I!
I wish you all happiness!!
Jim Moore
Terra Firma Ltd.
Cahslc
they might cut my threads.<
The artist should have ground these sharp edges down BEFORE selling their
beads, but you can use bead caps pretty effectively on these if you have some.
HTH!!
Carol Ann Hopkins
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You're welcome, :-)
Laura A
sizing of the fiber paper inside the hole decreases the chances of the sharp
points.
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>
>
> As far as the fused beads, usually the hole is formed using fibre paper
> in the kiln. The artist doesnt have as much control over sharpness
> etc...since it's done in the kiln, except maybe by grinding the edges of
> the glass in a different way before firing.
>
> Suzanne
>
>
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sharp... so that's a big help.
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come out much nicer and I rarely have sharp edges. If you do have them -
little ones can be filed, big ones can be ground on the grinder and then
fire polished.
Nancy
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rounds, or a turquoise/lapis mixture, with big holes? (I get a big kick out
of saying "big holes" and I don't even want to know why, LOL). Our friend
Chris needs some help. I went all the way through my stash, and had a great
time, and made a HUGE mess, but couldn't find anything to help him out with.
Becki
GlassOrchid
to check. I also have some tranparent cobalt which might make the tq/lap
mixture you mention????
Email me or have Chris email me.....
Best,
Nan
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it looked almost like from my house 'til I saw the date. That's a view from
my deck (more or less) but in the middle of July.
greetings from NE Oregon
Bob
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beck...@aol.com (BeckiBead) wrote:
> Nancy -- do you have any interest in making a matched pair of turquoise
> colored
> rounds, or a turquoise/lapis mixture, with big holes? (I get a big kick
> out
> of saying "big holes" and I don't even want to know why, LOL). Our
> friend
> Chris needs some help.
Thanks, Becki!
> I went all the way through my stash, and had a
> great
> time, and made a HUGE mess,
I bet you had fun, though! hehe I know I do when I go through my
(meager) supply of beads.
> but couldn't find anything to help him out
> with.
I appreciate your time. Thx again!
Chris :-)
Chris
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>
> Email me or have Chris email me.....
Thanks, Nancy. I'll send an e-mail right now.
Chris :-)
Laura A
staining from the metal on the glass?
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> I use steel mandrels like lampworkers use to make my fused beads. The
holes
> come out much nicer and I rarely have sharp edges. If you do have them -
> little ones can be filed, big ones can be ground on the grinder and then
> fire polished.
>
> Nancy
>
>
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