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Victor Manta
Apr 1, 2012, 11:29:24 PM4/1/12
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Ten years ago and earlier this was a hot topic on RCSD, being related to the
then Annual FIP Philatelic Website Evaluations.
The interest for this subject revived this year with the exhibition IPHLA
2012, where the philatelic pages presented on digital media are accepted
again in the competition. Based on my rather long experience in stamp
collecting and in the creation of philatelic web pages, I deal in my new
article with the evolution of philatelic websites, taking a no nonsense
approach to their evaluation.
http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
Your feedback is welcomed.
--
Victor Manta, PWO, AIJP
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then Annual FIP Philatelic Website Evaluations.
The interest for this subject revived this year with the exhibition IPHLA
2012, where the philatelic pages presented on digital media are accepted
again in the competition. Based on my rather long experience in stamp
collecting and in the creation of philatelic web pages, I deal in my new
article with the evolution of philatelic websites, taking a no nonsense
approach to their evaluation.
http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
Your feedback is welcomed.
--
Victor Manta, PWO, AIJP
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Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org/
Art on Stamps: http://artonstamps.org/
Romania by Stamps: http://marci-postale.com/
Communism on Stamps: http://reds-on.postalstamps.biz/
Spanish North Africa: http://www.sna-on.postalstamps.biz/
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Terry Reedy
Apr 2, 2012, 3:44:26 PM4/2/12
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On 4/1/2012 11:29 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
> Ten years ago and earlier this was a hot topic on RCSD, being related to
> the then Annual FIP Philatelic Website Evaluations.
>
> The interest for this subject revived this year with the exhibition
> IPHLA 2012, where the philatelic pages presented on digital media are
> accepted again in the competition. Based on my rather long experience in
> stamp collecting and in the creation of philatelic web pages, I deal in
> my new article with the evolution of philatelic websites, taking a no
> nonsense approach to their evaluation.
>
> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>
> Your feedback is welcomed.
In your concluding section on the new regulations, you intermix quotes
> Ten years ago and earlier this was a hot topic on RCSD, being related to
> the then Annual FIP Philatelic Website Evaluations.
>
> The interest for this subject revived this year with the exhibition
> IPHLA 2012, where the philatelic pages presented on digital media are
> accepted again in the competition. Based on my rather long experience in
> stamp collecting and in the creation of philatelic web pages, I deal in
> my new article with the evolution of philatelic websites, taking a no
> nonsense approach to their evaluation.
>
> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>
> Your feedback is welcomed.
without quote marks and your comments, both in the same font/style. This
make is hard to read as I had to puzzle out what what quite or paraphare
and what was your comment.
Victor Manta
Apr 2, 2012, 4:40:14 PM4/2/12
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"Terry Reedy" <tjr...@udel.edu> wrote in message
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Thank you for commenting.
I have checked in IE & Firefox, on the monitors of two different PCs, and
the difference in font sizes has been obvious. Anyway, I inserted in the
text quotation marks, which should solve the problem on any screens. Thanks
agaain.
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I have checked in IE & Firefox, on the monitors of two different PCs, and
the difference in font sizes has been obvious. Anyway, I inserted in the
text quotation marks, which should solve the problem on any screens. Thanks
agaain.
Terry Reedy
Apr 2, 2012, 10:32:26 PM4/2/12
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On 4/2/2012 4:40 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
> "Terry Reedy" <tjr...@udel.edu> wrote in message
> news:jlcvj2$hsa$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 4/1/2012 11:29 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
>>> Ten years ago and earlier this was a hot topic on RCSD, being related to
>>> the then Annual FIP Philatelic Website Evaluations.
>>>
>>> The interest for this subject revived this year with the exhibition
>>> IPHLA 2012, where the philatelic pages presented on digital media are
>>> accepted again in the competition. Based on my rather long experience in
>>> stamp collecting and in the creation of philatelic web pages, I deal in
>>> my new article with the evolution of philatelic websites, taking a no
>>> nonsense approach to their evaluation.
>>>
>>> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>>>
>>> Your feedback is welcomed.
>>
>> In your concluding section on the new regulations, you intermix quotes
>> without quote marks and your comments, both in the same font/style.
>> This make is hard to read as I had to puzzle out what what quite or
>> paraphare and what was your comment.
>>
> Thank you for commenting.
>
> I have checked in IE & Firefox, on the monitors of two different PCs,
> and the difference in font sizes has been obvious. Anyway, I inserted in
> the text quotation marks, which should solve the problem on any screens.
Your css says
> "Terry Reedy" <tjr...@udel.edu> wrote in message
> news:jlcvj2$hsa$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 4/1/2012 11:29 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
>>> Ten years ago and earlier this was a hot topic on RCSD, being related to
>>> the then Annual FIP Philatelic Website Evaluations.
>>>
>>> The interest for this subject revived this year with the exhibition
>>> IPHLA 2012, where the philatelic pages presented on digital media are
>>> accepted again in the competition. Based on my rather long experience in
>>> stamp collecting and in the creation of philatelic web pages, I deal in
>>> my new article with the evolution of philatelic websites, taking a no
>>> nonsense approach to their evaluation.
>>>
>>> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>>>
>>> Your feedback is welcomed.
>>
>> In your concluding section on the new regulations, you intermix quotes
>> without quote marks and your comments, both in the same font/style.
>> This make is hard to read as I had to puzzle out what what quite or
>> paraphare and what was your comment.
>>
> Thank you for commenting.
>
> I have checked in IE & Firefox, on the monitors of two different PCs,
> and the difference in font sizes has been obvious. Anyway, I inserted in
> the text quotation marks, which should solve the problem on any screens.
.style3 {font-size: 10pt} *you use this for quotes*
.style5 {font-size: 14px}
One chart I found says that 10 pt = 13px, (7% difference) but depending
on OS, font, browser. One should probably add: perhaps also depending on
browser settings and screen size and resolution. I have FF, Win7,
1680x1050 screen. In any case, I cannot see a difference, even with
magnification. Same with and without Javascript.
With Javascript on, there is a floating "Front page .... Exhibitions"
bar which bobs up and down when I scroll, returning to a position down
from the top of screen but on top of the text, which scrolls beneath.
This is really annoying. It should either be tied to the top of the
page, under the banner, or to the top of the screen.
Victor Manta
Apr 3, 2012, 1:04:01 AM4/3/12
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"Terry Reedy" <tjr...@udel.edu> wrote in message
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(both recommended), the bigger font looks about twice so tall as the other
one. Anyway, I have changed the style3 and I hope that now it is OK on your
screen too.
As for the floating menu bar, I raised it to the top of the screen, this
being one of your suggestions. Hopefully it is better now.
Many thanks.
Sir F.A. Rien
Apr 3, 2012, 11:03:32 AM4/3/12
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On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 22:32:26 -0400, Terry Reedy <tjr...@udel.edu>
sharpened a crayon and wrote:
>With Javascript on, there is a floating "Front page .... Exhibitions"
>bar which bobs up and down when I scroll, returning to a position down
>from the top of screen but on top of the text, which scrolls beneath.
>This is really annoying. It should either be tied to the top of the
>page, under the banner, or to the top of the screen.
It's the 'bling' effect, style rather than subsatance.
sharpened a crayon and wrote:
>With Javascript on, there is a floating "Front page .... Exhibitions"
>bar which bobs up and down when I scroll, returning to a position down
>from the top of screen but on top of the text, which scrolls beneath.
>This is really annoying. It should either be tied to the top of the
>page, under the banner, or to the top of the screen.
So many webpages go for 'effects' and forget that the -=information=-
contained within IS the real purpose.
Thankfully the days of flashing text and rotating colours seem to
behind ... or are they?
Sir F.A. Rien
Apr 3, 2012, 11:06:55 AM4/3/12
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>>> On 4/1/2012 11:29 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
>>>> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>>>>
>>>> Your feedback is welcomed.
Interesting that you write about yourself in the third person - is
>>>> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>>>>
>>>> Your feedback is welcomed.
this the 'royal we' creeping out?
Additionally, while I understand that English is not your base
language, you should have the page checked for grammar.
Run it through MS Word and most of the major errors of tense, etc.
should be caught.
Victor Manta
Apr 3, 2012, 2:41:31 PM4/3/12
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"Sir F.A. Rien" <xx...@lvdi.net> wrote in message
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As in bad Westerns films, Sir Ryan is shooting anything that moves,
forgetting that not everything that's flying is eatable (Romanian proverb).
The moving menu is there for a reason but because of it he oversees the real
purpose of the page, "the -=information=-" (cannot see the forest for the
trees?)
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forgetting that not everything that's flying is eatable (Romanian proverb).
The moving menu is there for a reason but because of it he oversees the real
purpose of the page, "the -=information=-" (cannot see the forest for the
trees?)
Victor Manta
Apr 3, 2012, 3:12:47 PM4/3/12
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"Sir F.A. Rien" <xx...@lvdi.net> wrote in message
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>>>> On 4/1/2012 11:29 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
>
>>>>> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Your feedback is welcomed.
>
> Interesting that you write about yourself in the third person - is
> this the 'royal we' creeping out?
It depends on the context. When I speak about the author, it is in the third
>
>>>>> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Your feedback is welcomed.
>
> Interesting that you write about yourself in the third person - is
> this the 'royal we' creeping out?
person. When I recommend something, I use the first person. And as a speaker
for an organization I write "we at PWO". Haven't found a better way.
> Additionally, while I understand that English is not your base
> language, you should have the page checked for grammar.
printed, it will be carefully proof-checked by a knowledgeable person.
> Run it through MS Word and most of the major errors of tense, etc.
> should be caught.
>
your own advice a try, and I assure you that you won't be happy...
BTW, the original of the article was written in MS Word. Of course all
mistakes are mine and I assume them entirely.
Interestingly enough, with all due respect, I noticed that some stamp
collectors on the _French_ philatelic ng had much more to say than you about
the contents of my article (no translation being provided). Ce n'est pas
rien.
Billns
Apr 3, 2012, 3:59:50 PM4/3/12
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On 4/3/2012 12:12 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
> "Sir F.A. Rien" <xx...@lvdi.net> wrote in message
> news:ub4mn71vsejfn696u...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On 4/1/2012 11:29 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
>>
>>>>>> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your feedback is welcomed.
>>
Your floating menu bar is ok when scrolling down, but flies back up when
> "Sir F.A. Rien" <xx...@lvdi.net> wrote in message
> news:ub4mn71vsejfn696u...@4ax.com...
>>>>> On 4/1/2012 11:29 PM, Victor Manta wrote:
>>
>>>>>> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your feedback is welcomed.
>>
scrolling up. It is your choice, of course, but I would have left the
menu bar fixed at the top of the page and have it disappear as the
reader scrolls through your document.
Apparently nobody ever puts "return to top" links in a scrolling window
anymore.
Bill
Victor Manta
Apr 3, 2012, 9:02:06 PM4/3/12
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"Billns" <bil...@nsverizon.net> wrote in message
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Thanks for commenting.
The obvious disadvantage of putting a fixed menu bar in a scrolling windows
is that it disappears when scrolling. One has to scroll back to reach the
menu bar, operation that can be tedious for longer pages (and sometimes they
have to be long).
The "simple" idea is to create a fixed region, in my case on the top of all
pages and to put the navbar there. But how to do it in a simple way? The
simplest is to use frames but they have many, known disadvantages. Another
solution is to use SSI, but one has to get access to them on the server
which is another pain. I have tried something by using CSS but so far
unsuccessfully, because I couldn't run the navbar's JS code in it.
An easy solution is welcomed.
--
Victor Manta
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The obvious disadvantage of putting a fixed menu bar in a scrolling windows
is that it disappears when scrolling. One has to scroll back to reach the
menu bar, operation that can be tedious for longer pages (and sometimes they
have to be long).
The "simple" idea is to create a fixed region, in my case on the top of all
pages and to put the navbar there. But how to do it in a simple way? The
simplest is to use frames but they have many, known disadvantages. Another
solution is to use SSI, but one has to get access to them on the server
which is another pain. I have tried something by using CSS but so far
unsuccessfully, because I couldn't run the navbar's JS code in it.
An easy solution is welcomed.
--
Victor Manta
Alyn
Apr 4, 2012, 9:05:34 AM4/4/12
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Good morning Victor,
The content of the article seems to be right on, however, I feel that judging guidelines should be based on, and be similar to those used for print literature.
For the menu bar, I would propose that you widen the left margin of the page and have it "float" in the space that is created. That way you can maintain the variable position, with no impact on the text of the article being obscured by any scrolling.
Alyn
The content of the article seems to be right on, however, I feel that judging guidelines should be based on, and be similar to those used for print literature.
For the menu bar, I would propose that you widen the left margin of the page and have it "float" in the space that is created. That way you can maintain the variable position, with no impact on the text of the article being obscured by any scrolling.
Alyn
Victor Manta
Apr 4, 2012, 5:46:50 PM4/4/12
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"Alyn" <alynstamp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hello Alyn and RCSD,
Many thanks for your comments. We talk here about my recent article:
http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
There are similarities between philatelic websites and the printed
literature but there are also important differences, which make the former a
separate category from the later. One example of differences, among many
others, is the second subject of your posting, a problem that doesn't exist
for the printed literature.
A disadvantage of your proposal is that it creates a quite big block of text
that is moved on the left site of each page. Compare this with "my"
solution, where I "eat" just two line of text, in a region where a scrolled
text is rarely read.
Another disadvantage is that the implementation demands the creation of a
large fixed region on the left side, and then we return to the problem that
I tried to explain in my posting to Bill, in this thread.
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Many thanks for your comments. We talk here about my recent article:
http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
There are similarities between philatelic websites and the printed
literature but there are also important differences, which make the former a
separate category from the later. One example of differences, among many
others, is the second subject of your posting, a problem that doesn't exist
for the printed literature.
A disadvantage of your proposal is that it creates a quite big block of text
that is moved on the left site of each page. Compare this with "my"
solution, where I "eat" just two line of text, in a region where a scrolled
text is rarely read.
Another disadvantage is that the implementation demands the creation of a
large fixed region on the left side, and then we return to the problem that
I tried to explain in my posting to Bill, in this thread.
Pierre COURTIADE
Apr 5, 2012, 6:20:47 AM4/5/12
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Victor Manta wrote :
You are right : Alyn's proposal would conduct to reduce too much the
useful text.
Nevertheless I agree with those saying that these scrolling stuffs
are *very* annoying.
As you say they hide two lines of the text, but IMHO this is not
the most important.
What is very boring is that the reader of your page feels offended by
this moving device which scrolls *independantly of his wishes*.
At least it is the case for me. I think that the *only* solution is
to leave this window *steady* at the top of your window.
--
All the best,
Amicalement
Pierre Courtiade
>
> A disadvantage of your proposal is that it creates a quite big block
> of text that is moved on the left site of each page. Compare this
> with "my" solution, where I "eat" just two line of text, in a region
> where a scrolled text is rarely read.
Hello Victor,
> A disadvantage of your proposal is that it creates a quite big block
> of text that is moved on the left site of each page. Compare this
> with "my" solution, where I "eat" just two line of text, in a region
> where a scrolled text is rarely read.
You are right : Alyn's proposal would conduct to reduce too much the
useful text.
Nevertheless I agree with those saying that these scrolling stuffs
are *very* annoying.
As you say they hide two lines of the text, but IMHO this is not
the most important.
What is very boring is that the reader of your page feels offended by
this moving device which scrolls *independantly of his wishes*.
At least it is the case for me. I think that the *only* solution is
to leave this window *steady* at the top of your window.
--
All the best,
Amicalement
Pierre Courtiade
Alyn
Apr 5, 2012, 8:54:35 AM4/5/12
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Good morning Victor,
I agree that there are fundamental differences between Web and traditional print media, but for consistency very few modifications to exhibiting regulations should be made for web media.
The American Philatelic Society in their April members newsletter has announced a website competition for their affiliates and chapters. More info can be found here: http://stamps.org/CAC/cac_wsa.htm.
My monitor at home and work would not have a very large block of text at the left of the article. You could dedicate maybe 10% of the left side of the page. Alternately you could also use context menus (right click), but most of the scripts I have found for this functionality is for I.E. only.
I agree that there are fundamental differences between Web and traditional print media, but for consistency very few modifications to exhibiting regulations should be made for web media.
The American Philatelic Society in their April members newsletter has announced a website competition for their affiliates and chapters. More info can be found here: http://stamps.org/CAC/cac_wsa.htm.
My monitor at home and work would not have a very large block of text at the left of the article. You could dedicate maybe 10% of the left side of the page. Alternately you could also use context menus (right click), but most of the scripts I have found for this functionality is for I.E. only.
Victor Manta
Apr 5, 2012, 9:24:23 AM4/5/12
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Hi Pierre and RCSD,
The problem with Alyn's proposal is not that it takes too much space on the
screen, today's screens being quite large. The problem is a rather ergonomic
one, the movement of large blocks of text being per se somehow disturbing.
The wishes of users are very different, and often contradictory. Those who
really feel "offended" by a particular implementation are, IMHO, in the
situation that I describe in what follows. When I was about 30 years old,
and I was sitting in a crowded bus, I noticed a lady, in her late 50th, who
was standing near me. Naturally, I stood up and offered her my place but, to
my big surprise, she took an offended look and admonished me, by shouting
that she is not so old to sit. This was my "reward" for trying to be
useful...
Well, I don't want to be stubborn either, and for this reason if several
readers nevertheless let me know that they feel offended by the movement of
this navbar too, then I will glue it with two hinges to the top of the
scrolling pages (which, btw, is the easiest way).
http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
If any others (Alyn did it already) were commenting also on the contents of
the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be even more grateful.
Many TIA.
news:4f7d7209$0$16500$426a...@news.free.fr...
The problem with Alyn's proposal is not that it takes too much space on the
screen, today's screens being quite large. The problem is a rather ergonomic
one, the movement of large blocks of text being per se somehow disturbing.
The wishes of users are very different, and often contradictory. Those who
really feel "offended" by a particular implementation are, IMHO, in the
situation that I describe in what follows. When I was about 30 years old,
and I was sitting in a crowded bus, I noticed a lady, in her late 50th, who
was standing near me. Naturally, I stood up and offered her my place but, to
my big surprise, she took an offended look and admonished me, by shouting
that she is not so old to sit. This was my "reward" for trying to be
useful...
Well, I don't want to be stubborn either, and for this reason if several
readers nevertheless let me know that they feel offended by the movement of
this navbar too, then I will glue it with two hinges to the top of the
scrolling pages (which, btw, is the easiest way).
http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
If any others (Alyn did it already) were commenting also on the contents of
the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be even more grateful.
Many TIA.
Victor Manta
Apr 5, 2012, 11:02:06 AM4/5/12
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"Alyn" <alynstamp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, provisional modifications were probably accepted already 15 years ago
by the Literature Commission of FIP, when they started the philatelic
websites evaluations. As I presented on my page:
http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
after four edition they stopped the evaluations, stipulating that the
differences between digital and printed media are too important, and for
this reason the Special Regulations for the Evaluation of Philatelic
Literature Exhibits at F.I.P. Exhibitions don't include digital media.
Thanks for the info and for the link to the APS website competition.
Unfortunately, it is a very limited one, which is the result of the facts
that they look for themselves (perfectly justifiable under actual
circumstances) and that the participation is free (being actually covered by
the membership fees).
As I have written to Pierre, I see no problem with the 10% of the space
taken off on the side. One of my problems is a rather an esthetical one.
Another is technical, that of creating a fixed region for the menu, as I
already mentioned. If I had a solution, I had preferred to put the menu on
top.
I have considered the context menus but I have rejected them because usually
the users don't read the initial instructions and immediately look for the
menu. If it isn't under their eyes, they navigate away from the site. It is
also possible that users like Pierre could be offended by something that
they don't expect.
Pierre COURTIADE
Apr 5, 2012, 11:27:02 AM4/5/12
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Victor Manta wrote :
> Well, I don't want to be stubborn either, and for this reason if
> several readers nevertheless let me know that they feel offended by
> the movement of this navbar too, then I will glue it with two hinges
> to the top of the scrolling pages (which, btw, is the easiest way).
>
> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
Personnally I am still disturbed by the fact that, when one scroll the
useful window, the navbar disappeares and comes back at each
movement of the main window.
Why not transforming the navbar into an upper window (height :
one line) and render it never ever moving or disappearing or
blinking or ... what else
???
:-)
And having the main window below it and this one moving.
May be this is technically too complicated ? I am not enough
skilled to know this.
> If any others (Alyn did it already) were commenting also on the
> contents of the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be
> even more grateful. Many TIA.
I will do this as well but a little bit later, Victor. And preferably on
FRP as I will be able to express myself more easily (as it will be in
French :-)
Cheers,
--
Bien amicalement,
Pierre
>>
> Hi Pierre and RCSD,
>
> The problem with Alyn's proposal is not that it takes too much space
> on the screen, today's screens being quite large. The problem is a
> rather ergonomic one, the movement of large blocks of text being per
> se somehow disturbing.
> The wishes of users are very different, and often contradictory.
> Those who really feel "offended" by a particular implementation are,
> IMHO, in the situation that I describe in what follows. When I was
> about 30 years old, and I was sitting in a crowded bus, I noticed a
> lady, in her late 50th, who was standing near me. Naturally, I stood
> up and offered her my place but, to my big surprise, she took an
> offended look and admonished me, by shouting that she is not so old
> to sit. This was my "reward" for trying to be useful...
:-)))
> Hi Pierre and RCSD,
>
> The problem with Alyn's proposal is not that it takes too much space
> on the screen, today's screens being quite large. The problem is a
> rather ergonomic one, the movement of large blocks of text being per
> se somehow disturbing.
> The wishes of users are very different, and often contradictory.
> Those who really feel "offended" by a particular implementation are,
> IMHO, in the situation that I describe in what follows. When I was
> about 30 years old, and I was sitting in a crowded bus, I noticed a
> lady, in her late 50th, who was standing near me. Naturally, I stood
> up and offered her my place but, to my big surprise, she took an
> offended look and admonished me, by shouting that she is not so old
> to sit. This was my "reward" for trying to be useful...
> Well, I don't want to be stubborn either, and for this reason if
> several readers nevertheless let me know that they feel offended by
> the movement of this navbar too, then I will glue it with two hinges
> to the top of the scrolling pages (which, btw, is the easiest way).
>
> http://www.pwmo.org/IPHLA/12-evaluation-websites.htm
useful window, the navbar disappeares and comes back at each
movement of the main window.
Why not transforming the navbar into an upper window (height :
one line) and render it never ever moving or disappearing or
blinking or ... what else
???
:-)
And having the main window below it and this one moving.
May be this is technically too complicated ? I am not enough
skilled to know this.
> If any others (Alyn did it already) were commenting also on the
> contents of the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be
> even more grateful. Many TIA.
FRP as I will be able to express myself more easily (as it will be in
French :-)
Cheers,
--
Bien amicalement,
Pierre
Victor Manta
Apr 5, 2012, 2:19:01 PM4/5/12
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The "simple" idea is to create a fixed region, in my case on the top of all
pages and to put the navbar there. But how to do it in a simple way? The
simplest is to use frames but they have many, known disadvantages. Another
solution is to use SSI, but one has to get access to them on the server
which is another pain. I have tried something by using CSS but so far
unsuccessfully, because I couldn't run the navbar's JS code in it.
An easy solution is welcomed.
>
>> If any others (Alyn did it already) were commenting also on the
>> contents of the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be
>> even more grateful. Many TIA.
>
> I will do this as well but a little bit later, Victor. And preferably on
> FRP as I will be able to express myself more easily (as it will be in
> French :-)
>
Thanks in advance, Pierre. You know that I love French too.
>> contents of the page, which I'm trying to improve, then I would be
>> even more grateful. Many TIA.
>
> I will do this as well but a little bit later, Victor. And preferably on
> FRP as I will be able to express myself more easily (as it will be in
> French :-)
>
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