Egypt Overprints
amesh (Mette)
http://shoebox.heindorffhus.dk/EgyptOvpt.jpg
What does O.H.H.S. mean? Something with "On His ... Service"?
What were they used for? Where do I look for them in the catalogues?
I am really getting far and wide around the world these days :-) Nearly
like my old StampTravel-site revived ;-)
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Best regards
Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)
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Aepaep00 [D*]
Bsr,
dans Yvert Egypte timbres de service
surcharge bilingue.
amicalement
yves claude
ah oui ; O.H.H.S =
on his highness service.
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amesh (Mette)
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>
> Bsr,
> dans Yvert Egypte timbres de service
> surcharge bilingue.
> amicalement
> yves claude
> ah oui ; O.H.H.S =
> on his highness service.
Merci! J'ai pas Yvert, mais je les trouverais dans Scott :-)
Thanks -- I don't have Yvert, but will find them in Scott.
Regards
Mette
Rodney
Looking down to 1922, what then, "O.H.E.M.S" ?
guessing
On His Exulted Majesties Service?
A.E. Gelat
stamps. In Scott, they are at the end of the regular listings. In Gibbons,
they are listed in the chronological order of all issues.
Tony
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A.E. Gelat
to as Excellency, but one never knows. Perhaps an Egypt Study Group expert
could answer that. Note: It should be On His Exulted "Majesty's" Service.
Tony
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Yes, of course Tony. Thanks.
P Hogwash@bigburp.com Alan Payne
> Note: It should be On His Exulted "Majesty's" Service.
>
> Yes, of course Tony. Thanks.
>
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Say I in a pedantic mode
Alan
P Hogwash@bigburp.com Alan Payne
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(Who really ought to proof read)
amesh (Mette)
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> In a lot received today I found these Egypt overprints
> http://shoebox.heindorffhus.dk/EgyptOvpt.jpg
> What does O.H.H.S. mean? Something with "On His ... Service"?
> What were they used for? Where do I look for them in the catalogues?
>
> I am really getting far and wide around the world these days :-) Nearly
> like my old StampTravel-site revived ;-)
Thanks to everyone who contributed here. Most helpful answers as always :-)
Rodney
I was having a dog day afternoon.
You know, I looked it up in the dictionary
because it looked odd, I read exulted = glory,
and said "Oh well" and typed out the wrong word.
(I hope I appeal to your "forgive" mode :)
TC Blair
> Note: It should be On His Exulted "Majesty's" Service.
>
> Yes, of course Tony. Thanks.
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1250 to 1517: A revolt among the war captives, known as Mamlukes,
starts and has as a final outcome the overthrow of the Ayyubids.
Tombs of the Mamlukes by David Roberts:
http://egipto.com/museo/david_roberts/img/243.gif
1517: Sultan Selim 1 of the Ottoman Empire takes control over Cairo.
From now on, Egypt is reduced to a province inside the Ottoman Empire.
paintings of Selim the Great:
http://www.info-regenten.de/regent/regent-d/pictures/turkey-selim-I.jpg
http://www2.egenet.com.tr/mastersj/selim-i-bearded.jpg
1798: The arrival of Napoleon, and his French army. Napoleon takes
control over strategic places in Egypt. The most important results of
the French arrival, is that contact with the Western world is restored
for Egypt, as well as that the modern science of Egyptology starts.
Napoleon I on model for a French stamp (Scott B263):
http://www.americanphoto.co.jp/photosearch/Previews/COM00350_131.jpg
1801: The French are expelled, but the memory of them impregnates the
way of thinking among the ruling elite of Egypt.
Title: 1805-1867 Wali = governor
1805: Albanian Muhammad Ali Pasha becomes viceroy of Egypt, with the
recognition of the Ottoman sultan. The modern Egyptian postal system
as we know it today was developed by Viceroy Mohammed Ali Pasha
Painting of Mohammed Ali Pasha:
http://linant.free.fr/Pages/mohamed.html
Scott 154 shows Mohammed Ali:
http://www.snap-dragon.com/_private/egypt/EgSG177.jpg
1811: The Mamlukes are driven out of power.
1820: Campaigns against Northern Sudan starts.
1831: After disagreement with the sultan of the Ottoman Empire,
Ibrahim, son of Muhammad Ali, conquers Syria.
Paintings of Ibrahim Pasha :
http://www.presidency.gov.eg/assets/images/ibrahim_pasha.gif
http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Egypt/egypt-Ibrahim.jpg
Scott 272 shows Ibrahim Pasha:
http://www.snap-dragon.com/_private/egypt/EgSG351.jpg
1838: Syria lost.
1841: War with the Ottomans. Muhammad Ali defeats the Ottomans, and he
becomes the hereditary ruler of Egypt. Muhammad started programs to
reform and modernize Egypt.
Nominal ottoman suzerainty
1866: First EGYPTIAN stamps
Title: 1867-1914 - Khedive (title granted by Ottoman sultan)
1867: Pyramid Issue
http://perso.club-internet.fr/klaseboe/brcol/egypt101.gif
1869: The Suez Canal is opened, after construction help from French
companies.
Suez Canal stamps: http://www.egy.com/P/articles/94-12-03.5.jpeg
1875: With the declining economy of Egypt, the new ruler, Khedive
Ismail Pasha, sold most of Egypt's shares in the Suez Canal to
Britain.
Ismail Pasha is shown on Scott 253:
http://www.snap-dragon.com/_private/egypt/EgSG303.jpg
1876: Egypt is put under control from a joint Anglo-French debt
commission.
1881: A nationalist revolt starts.
1882: The nationalist revolt is suppressed by the British, who takes
control over the country, but not in the shape of colony or
protectorate.
1883 Lord Cromer becomes, as the British administrator, the effective
ruler of the country.
Egypt - official stamps - 1893-1907 inscribed 'SERVICE DE L'ETAT' =
'State Service'
Egypt - official stamps - 1907-1922 overprinted 'OHHS' = 'On His
Highness's Service' http://i7.ebayimg.com/03/i/02/4f/13/50_1_b.JPG
1914: With the start of World War 1, Egypt is turned into a British
protectorate, and Egypt was used as a British base during the war in
the actions towards the Ottoman Empire.
Title: 1914-1922 Sultan
1922: The Protectorate is ended. Egypt becomes a monarchy, with Fuad
as king.
Title: 1922-53 King
On 1922, March 15 - Egypt gained nominal independence from the United
Kingdom, and Fuad I became King of Egypt. This event led to Egyptian
official stamps of 1922-1924 - overprinted 'OHEMS' = 'On His
Exhaulted Majesty's Service'
Interestingly, Fuad I spoke no Arabic.
http://www.snap-dragon.com/_private/EgSG101v2.jpg
King Faud (Scott 114) :
http://www.snap-dragon.com/_private/EgSG134v2.jpg
Egypt - official stamps - 1924-1926 - overprinted service in Arabic
Egypt - official stamps - 1926-1953 - inscribed 'SERVICE DE L'ETAT' =
'State Service' http://i15.ebayimg.com/02/i/01/b8/06/10_1_b.JPG
1937: Farouk becomes king. He is well known as a stamp collector.
Farouk is shown on many stamps:
http://www.snap-dragon.com/_private/egypt/EgSG265.jpg
The British troops leave the country, except from area around the Suez
Canal.
1940-45: Egypt becomes the allied to Britain during the World War 2.
1952: The army forces Farouk to abdicate.
1953: Egypt becomes a republic, and general Muhammad Naguib becomes
the first president.
Title: 1953-present President
Egypt - official stamps - 1959 onward - inscribed 'official'
I hope this explains why some of these overprints exist.
Blair Stannard (TC)
Jay T. Carrigan
were so many people guessing?
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amesh (Mette)
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It does indeed. Thank you, Blair. I will keep this explanation in my
archives.
Regards
Mette
Rodney
| were so many people guessing?
.....because some of us are not blessed with seeing the obvious :)
It's like walking into a glass door,........ it becomes painfully apparent after the event.
One of my first posts here enquired on an Italian issue "Due Lira"
thinking it was a postage due. (groan)
I survived the embarassment, and it will not inhibit my future gaffs.
What we <must> try to be aware of, that is, not to inhibit enquiry.
Newsgroups are sensitive places, we must attract the shy and reclusive
because only with broad support can our little world expand and become
richer for the experience.
(and he trips, as he alights the pulpit :)
Rodney
Great work, as usual.
Rodney
| On 1922, March 15 - Egypt gained nominal independence from the United
| Kingdom, and Fuad I became King of Egypt. This event led to Egyptian
| official stamps of 1922-1924 - overprinted 'OHEMS' = 'On His
| Exhaulted Majesty's Service'
Oh! Oh! I'm still guessing, so what is it? Exalted or Egyptian?
Jay T. Carrigan
When the question was first asked, I didn't know the answer.
I figured somebody else would know, so I didn't bother to
look it up.
When multiple answers were posted, I did bother to look it up.
Surprisingly there was nothing in Robson Lowe, my reference
of choice. Nothing in Gibbons either. Michel provided the
answer I gave - "On His Egyptian Majesty's Service" (but they
leave out the apostrophe-s).
Since this didn't seem to be the final answer, I checked that
fount of all knowledge - the Internet.
"On His Exhaulted Majesty's Service" is given by
<http://postage.20m.com/c0001025.htm>.
"On His Exalted Majesty's Service" is given by two sites:
<http://www.askphil.org/b25o.htm>,
<http://www.rapaphila.com/UK/marquesO.php>.
"On His Egyptian Majesty's Service" is given by
<http://www.sphinxauctions.com/symbols.php>,
and "On His/Her Egyptian Majesty's Service" is given by
<http://www.bnaps.org/answers1.htm>.
If anybody has access to Peter Smith's book
<http://www.jamesbendon.com/bke.htm>, I would think that
would have the definitive answer. Until then, ...
(Personally, I think "Egyptian" makes the most sense, since
these overprints were issued just after the end of the
British Protectorate and thus assert the Egyptian, rather
than British, nature of the stamps.)
Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
In article <4182...@usenet.per.paradox.net.au>, rod...@touch88.com.au says...
Jay T. Carrigan
history. And complicated.
To supplement and summarize.
Rulers of Egypt from 1863:
1863 - Khedive Ismail Pasha
(First stamps issued in 1866)
1879 - Khedive Tewfik Pasha
1892 - Khedive Abbas Hilmi Pasha (deposed)
1914 - Sultan Hussein Kamil (died in 1917)
1919 - Sultan Ahmed Fuad
(King Fuad I as of Mar. 15, 1922)
1936 - King Farouk (abdicated in 1952)
1952 - (infant) King Fuad II
On June 18, 1953 Egypt declared itself a republic.
The British Military Occupation began in 1882 in response
to rioting and massacres instigated by the Minister of War,
Col. Arabi Pasha. It lasted until World War I broke out
and in Dec. 1914 it became a British Protectorate and was
placed under martial law. Again in response to rioting
and disturbances, Egypt was granted indepenence on Feb. 28,
1922 - but with several strings attached. In particular,
Britain was not prepared to give Egypt control of the Sudan.
The result of this impasse became the "Anglo-Egyptian Sudan".
One outstanding reference that I read recently is
"Nineteenth Century Wars in Egypt and the Sudan" by John
Firebrace, published by the Stuart Rossiter Trust. See
<http://www.jamesbendon.com/bke.htm>, the same link I gave
for the Peter Smith book in an earlier post.
Finally, in the Spring 2004 "Wilson Quarterly", there is a
cool picture of Khedive Ismail and his eldest son Tewfik -
<www.jaypex.com/tewfik.jpg>.
Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi
P.S. "Mamlukes" is often spelled "Mamelukes", and can be
translated as "owned".
In article <3a155971.0410...@posting.google.com>,
stan...@sonetis.com says...
Rodney
I'll accept "Egyptian" until further notice.
TC Blair
I have heard both as well.
Blair
A.E. Gelat
"TC Blair" <stan...@sonetis.com> wrote in message
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> "Rodney" <rod...@touch88.com.au> wrote in message
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> > Note: It should be On His Exulted "Majesty's" Service.
> >
SNIP
> > Yes, of course Tony. Thanks.
> 1922: The Protectorate is ended. Egypt becomes a monarchy, with Fuad
> as king.
>
> Title: 1922-53 King
>
> Interestingly, Fuad I spoke no Arabic.
Blair, this is not only surprising, but shocking!. How can a ruler, son of
rulers, not speak the language of his countrymen? Where can I read more
about that?
During Ibrahim Pasha's stay in Palestine and Syria (1831-1838), he took to
Egypt a large number of artisans back, to further modernize the country.
One or more of those was/were great-great-great uncle(s) of mine. The
Gelat family was in Jerusalem. A descendant of those Cairo Gelats was
Edgard Gelat. He was appointed adviser to King Fouad and was given the
title Pasha. He arabized his name to Gallad (Egyptian Arabic pronounces the
hard "g" [=J] as "g" in glad), although his two brothers retained the Gelat
spelling. The Gelat family name is of French origin, derived from a French
Crusader that went to Palestine anywhere between 1097 and 1200, married
locally and remained there after the Crusaders were driven out.
Tony Gelat
Alan
> "TC Blair" <stan...@sonetis.com> wrote in message
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>>"Rodney" <rod...@touch88.com.au> wrote in message
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>>>Note: It should be On His Exulted "Majesty's" Service.
>>>
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> SNIP
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>>>Yes, of course Tony. Thanks.
>
> > 1922: The Protectorate is ended. Egypt becomes a monarchy, with Fuad
>
>>as king.
>>
>>Title: 1922-53 King
>>
>
> > Interestingly, Fuad I spoke no Arabic.
>
> Blair, this is not only surprising, but shocking!. How can a ruler, son of
> rulers, not speak the language of his countrymen? Where can I read more
> about that?
Many of the early British rulers only spoke French or German. Even now
the US has a president who has a hard time speaking English !
TC Blair
> During Ibrahim Pasha's stay in Palestine and Syria (1831-1838), he took to
> Egypt a large number of artisans back, to further modernize the country.
> One or more of those was/were great-great-great uncle(s) of mine. The
> Gelat family was in Jerusalem. A descendant of those Cairo Gelats was
> Edgard Gelat. He was appointed adviser to King Fouad and was given the
> title Pasha. He arabized his name to Gallad (Egyptian Arabic pronounces the
> hard "g" [=J] as "g" in glad), although his two brothers retained the Gelat
> spelling. The Gelat family name is of French origin, derived from a French
> Crusader that went to Palestine anywhere between 1097 and 1200, married
> locally and remained there after the Crusaders were driven out.
>
> Tony Gelat
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Crikey, Tony:
Does this mean that we have to address
you as Gelat Pasha in RCSD from now on?
Next thing we know, you will be emigrating
to SNA to become a high level functionary.
38*P
Blair
A.E. Gelat
children, but anyway, the title of Pasha is not inherited - it dies with the
person. I am still awaiting the reference to the fact that King Fuad did
not speak Arabic.
Tony, Mister
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