The new Boy Scout Silver Dollar from the US Mint? Why a girl?
MKW
Scout silver dollar? I was at a banquet tonight for Boy Scout
Alumni...and NO one had ever heard of a girl being in the boy
scouts. That really is the dumbest design ever. Nice to see that
committees dictate art that have no clue about the organizations.
And being politically correct is not the same as being inaccurate.
Mr. Jaggers
I won't come right out and give away this
Communist/Socialist/Fascist/Atheist/Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist/French-Looking/Sissy/Librul
(pick one or more of your favorites from this list) plot, as it just
wouldn't be sporting of me. But if you'd really, really like to have a clue
about what the girl is doing on the boy scout coin, look up the term
"Venturing" on any good search engine and do some reading. You'll be glad
you did!
James
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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You left out Hippie/Femi-Nazi/Crypto-Muslim/Tree-Hugger
- mazorj the Pigeonholer
>
Bruce Remick
"MKW" <mwelb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Why are you presuming one of the featured individuals is a girl?
Michael Benveniste
> But if you'd really, really like to have a clue about what the girl is
> doing on the boy scout coin, look up the term "Venturing" on any
> good search engine and do some reading.
That's true. According to the 2008 membership numbers I've seen, in
2008, 83,544 U.S. scouts were female, out of a total claimed membership
of 2,772,649. Despite allowing girls to join since 1971, the
organization does not grant them full equality -- you still have to
be male to become an Eagle Scout.
Personally, I look at the coin as an expression of a committee's
artistic vision. Instead of choosing to depict a statistically
accurate representation of 100 years of Scouting in the U.S., they
chose to depict the ideals of Scouting as the committee thought they
should be.
Why yes, I did sneer when I wrote "committee's artistic vision."
--
Michael Benveniste -- m...@murkyether.com (Clarification required)
"The hippies wanted peace and love. We wanted Ferraris, blondes and
switchblades." Alice Cooper
Michael Benveniste
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> Why are you presuming one of the featured individuals is a girl?
Uh, because the mint says so?
http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/commemoratives/?action=2010BoyScouts
Mr. Jaggers
You wouldn't believe all the other stuff I left out then either. Wait,
maybe you would.
James the Bleeding Heart Environmentalist Wacko
Mr. Jaggers
> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:zvKon.53090$mn6....@newsfe07.iad...
>> Why are you presuming one of the featured individuals is a girl?
>
> Uh, because the mint says so?
> http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/commemoratives/?action=2010BoyScouts
Aw, you went and spoiled it. Alas, that's today's education for ya, served
up on a silver platter to the point where nobody has to work for it any
more.
James the One-Room School Alumnus
Mr. Jaggers
> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>
>> But if you'd really, really like to have a clue about what the girl
>> is doing on the boy scout coin, look up the term "Venturing" on any
>> good search engine and do some reading.
>
> That's true. According to the 2008 membership numbers I've seen, in
> 2008, 83,544 U.S. scouts were female, out of a total claimed
> membership of 2,772,649. Despite allowing girls to join since 1971,
> the organization does not grant them full equality -- you still have
> to be male to become an Eagle Scout.
>
> Personally, I look at the coin as an expression of a committee's
> artistic vision. Instead of choosing to depict a statistically
> accurate representation of 100 years of Scouting in the U.S., they
> chose to depict the ideals of Scouting as the committee thought they
> should be.
Looks to me as if the committee chose to depict the reality of scouting as
it is in 2010. Anyone who isn't aware of that reality can learn from
numismatics, which, after all, is one of the classic reasons given for doing
this in the first place.
James the Modernist
Bruce Remick
"Michael Benveniste" <m...@murkyether.com> wrote in message
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> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:zvKon.53090$mn6....@newsfe07.iad...
>> Why are you presuming one of the featured individuals is a girl?
>
> Uh, because the mint says so?
> http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/commemoratives/?action=2010BoyScouts
>
Okay. So which of the three then?
Bones
> Can someone tell me again why there is a female featured on the Boy
> Scout silver dollar?
You should note that BSA does not have a problem with the coin, and so
why should you. But, here have been females involved with the "Boy
Scouts" for a LONG time.
Examples:
Explorer Posts can, and do, have female members.
Den Mothers are a vitally important part of the Cub Scout system.
When a scout earns the Eagle Badge, it is typically his MOTHER that
presents him with the award.
Girls have sued for, and won, the right to be part of Scout Troops --
not common, but it does happen.
For these reasons, and more, "Boy Scouts" have called themselves
"Scouts" for more than 30 years. Basically, if it were not for the
involvement and support of females, there would be not such thing as
Scouting.
Michael Benveniste
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> Looks to me as if the committee chose to depict the reality of scouting as
> it is in 2010.
I'll accept that they depict _a_ possible reality. A statistically
unlikely one, especialy once you take Ethnic Involvement figures
into account, but _a_ reality nonetheless.
Mr. Jaggers
> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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>
>> Looks to me as if the committee chose to depict the reality of
>> scouting as it is in 2010.
>
> I'll accept that they depict _a_ possible reality. A statistically
> unlikely one, especialy once you take Ethnic Involvement figures
> into account, but _a_ reality nonetheless.
Depicting *the* reality would require a much larger coin, maybe one of those
gigantor gold things like the Canadians are producing!
James, Living Large and Thinking Big
Bruce Remick
"Bones" <mah...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Aside from spawning sons, it's a stretch to claim that there would be no
such thing as scouting without the involvement and support of females. Few
would discount the support moms give their sons, but then moms aren't
considered "Scouts" per se and would not likely be represented by the figure
depicted on the coin in question. Most moms support all types of activities
and goals of their sons and daughters equally. They typically served as den
mothers for young Cub Scouts largely because the dad's were working while
afternoon meetings were held. The dads I knew provided most of their their
support in the evenings and on weekends. IMO, having been a cub and boy
scout back when kids handled knives and guns without parents having heart
failure, I would not expect the design of a coin celebrating the history of
the Boy Scouts to feature a female on it. On the other hand, a coin noting
the "progress" of the Boy Scouts as it exists today might, and apparently
does.
tony cooper
wrote:
Perhaps the design should include an official of the Scouts barring
the door to gays, agnostics, and atheists so the coin would really
reflect the BSA's policies.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Bruce Remick
"tony cooper" <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Not necessary. Just a Boy Scout and Cub Scout. All the coin needs to
reflect is the light.
Mr. Jaggers
They only bar the door to professing gays, agnostics, and atheists. I am
sure there are plenty of each closeted within BSA ranks, just as in the
general population. But, why bring that up? Oops, I just did. Oh, well.
James the Agitator
Mr. Jaggers
Is that a deep cameo proof CAC PQ reflection, or just a low-end MS60 level
reflection that you're hoping for?
James On Topic
'I personally like to use my coins as shaving mirrors'
Bruce Remick
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
Most anything would be acceptable as long as it's not a reflection on me.
For some reason, I still have my 1951 BSA registration card which features a
Rockwell-type picture of a Cub Scout, Boy Scout, and what I presume is a Sea
Scout on the front. Maybe the 2010 equivalent registration card includes
some other folks, unless the whole process is done online now. Imagine
teaching young Cubs how to trap and skin animals today. There go the den
mothers.
Mr. Jaggers
Norman Rockwell's world exists only in our dreams. Very pleasant dreams,
but dreams nevertheless. The real world of his era was nastier than most
people imagine.
James, in Deep Reverie
Bruce Remick
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
I dunno. I sure identified with a lot of the scenes in his paintings. But
yeah, they're dreams now.
Frank Galikanokus
The Boy Scouts of America's executive board is
Communist/Socialist/Fascist/Atheist/Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist/French-Looking/Sissy/Librul?
JAM
Mr. Jaggers
None of the above. I suppose I shoulda just come right out and given the OP
the answer, but you know me...
James the Irascible
Mr. Jaggers
Oh, I didn't say I didn't identify with them, I'm just sayin' that in
retrospect they were wishful thinking, a fantasy we all wished were true.
On the wall in front of my computer position is a Rockwell print of the SEP
cover of Black Friday, which shows a staid violinist pensively standing near
a music shop counter, where is displayed an alto saxophone and a sign that
reads, "Jazz It Up With A Sax." Now, THAT I CAN relate to!
James "Saxie Dowell" the Contemplative
MKW
guys, usually older, at the fundraiser last night would not buy such a
coin.
MKW
not the best. Still not even remotely as good as those Scouting
Medals the Franklin Mint struck in 1973...design by Rockwell. This
site has some pics though the reflections hide the frosty details.
http://www.franklin-mint-silver.com/franklin-mint-rockwell-boy-scouts-medals.htm
MJKolodziej
> Alumni...and NO one had ever heard of a girl being in the boy
> scouts. That really is the dumbest design ever. Nice to see that
> committees dictate art that have no clue about the organizations.
> And being politically correct is not the same as being inaccurate.
I got my mint notice of the BSA dollar today and it made me think of Wes.
I'll bet he gets a BSA dollar.
mk
(his wife works for BSA)
Mr. Jaggers
If that's the Wes who used to post here, he recently had an article in the
John Reich Collectors Journal, reporting how he cherried a rare variety of
capped bust half dime off eBay. Lucky guy, that Wes.
James the NVS
sgt23
> MKW wrote:
> > Can someone tell me again why there is a female featured on the Boy
> > Scout silver dollar? I was at a banquet tonight for Boy Scout
> > Alumni...and NO one had ever heard of a girl being in the boy
> > scouts. That really is the dumbest design ever. Nice to see that
> > committees dictate art that have no clue about the organizations.
> > And being politically correct is not the same as being inaccurate.
>
> Communist/Socialist/Fascist/Atheist/Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist/French-Looking/Sissy/Librul
> (pick one or more of your favorites from this list) plot, as it just
> wouldn't be sporting of me. But if you'd really, really like to have a clue
> about what the girl is doing on the boy scout coin, look up the term
> "Venturing" on any good search engine and do some reading. You'll be glad
> you did!
>
> James
We had girls in our Boy's Scout's troop back in the early 90's. There
wasn't enough girls who were interested in starting a girl's troop.