Dangerous Trade Dollar fakes in Fake PCGS slabs on ebay
Frank Provasek
Bob F.
"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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> http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/xavier001**20
Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion, Fwankie?
Seems to me that you are launching an unwarranted attack to sabotage his
business.
Could be what eBay in their infinite wisdom deems "auction
interference".
But how you love to come here to whine when your auctions get yanked.
Mr. Jaggers
> http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/xavier001**20
"The seller UserID you entered was not found"
James
Bob F.
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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That link works for me, James.
But it does beg the question of why somebody who has a history of
whining about his auctions being cancelled would post it in the first
place.
Bob F.
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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That link works for me, James.
Mr. Jaggers
Harrumph, it still doesn't open for me. I wonder if my browser doesn't like
those asterisks.
James
Mr. Jaggers
Hmmm, whenever I click on any of the posts, a second asterisk appears for
about 1/10 of a second and then disappears. I tried the advanced search on
eBay's home page and finally got to the auctions in question.
Both coins look cleaned to me, and I would not have then in my collection.
I am unable to verify that either is a fake from the pictures alone.
James
Frank
Because these are dangerous fakes and have been identified as such on
teletype bulletins and
confirmed by me as fake.
Frank
Likely your browser is seeing them as wildcards. They are not vaild as
filenames on most operating systems,
It's a surprise that they are permitted as ebay IDs.
A link to one of the auctions:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260393357307
Bob F.
> Both coins look cleaned to me, and I would not have then in my
> collection. I am unable to verify that either is a fake from the
> pictures alone.
That's probably due to your not being a "full time" numismatist since
1991 like the OP.
Super-Fwankie can tell at a glance when a coin is a phony, I guess.
Wonder if he can change the course of mighty rivers or bend steel in his
bare hands?
Bob F.
"Frank" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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> Because these are dangerous fakes and have been identified as such on
> teletype bulletins and confirmed by me as fake.
So, have you personally examined the coins in question or are you just
bloviating as usual, based on conjectural evidence?
Thomas A.
I'll bet you use Windows with OE6 and the QuoteFix add-in. QuoteFix uses
some font adjustment cues, like: asteriskWORDasterisk to make WORD bold and
then eats the asterisks. QuoteFix, while fixing the "reply-indent" problem,
has its own issues.
Steve Ruud
<fr...@frankcoins.com> did carve unto the very living rock upon which
we now stand:
>http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/xavier001**20
You would think that PCGS would flag the known fake serials when
verifying the certificate numbers ( http://www.pcgs.com/cert/ ).
Unfortunately, they don't. There is a mention of some known fakes in
the initial press release/article
(http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=5286&universeid=313
)
Since the fakes are using valid certificate numbers, it would be nice
if the PCGS database reflected this information as well when verifying
a known duplicated holder with some verbage like "While the
coin/holder may be genuine it is strongly advised that you visually
verify with coin in hand that the coin and holder are not
counterfeit."
<sarcasm>
And since every eBay bidder bidding on PCGS slabs will take the time
to verify the certificate number, putting that little addition in the
database would be a tremendous help in preventing unknowing purchasers
from assisting in the spreading the diseased coins
</sarcasm>
Steve
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It doesn't do anything just sitting on the shelf
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Frank
There are no such die pair matchings among genuine coins.
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11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC - Full Time Since 1991
Bob F.
> There are no such die pair matchings among genuine coins.
I submit that it is not possible to diagnose a fake coin based on the
photographs accompanying the auctions in question.
Unless, of course, you are SUPER-FWANKIE with powers and abilities far
beyond those of mortal man.
Care to leap any tall buildings in a single bound, Fwankie?
Mr. Jaggers
You speak the truth.
James***
Bob
> On Apr 14, 1:28�pm, "Bob F." <b...@april2009.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "Frank" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:2923726c-07e6-4684...@f19g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Because these are dangerous fakes and have been identified as such on
> > > teletype bulletins and confirmed by me as fake.
>
> > So, have you personally examined the coins in question or are you just
> > bloviating as usual, based on conjectural evidence?
>
> There are no such die pair matchings among genuine coins.
>
> --
> 11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
> Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC - �Full Time Since 1991
Frank, I assume that you have reported this to "EBay Trust & Safety"
or whatever. Probably a good idea. I doubt whether the seller is an
innocent party here--or even if he is not actually in China.
Bob F.
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> I doubt whether the seller is an innocent party here--or even if he
> is not actually in China.
And you base this on what? Fwankie's wild accusations? Intuition. Tea
leaves?
Frank
>
> Frank, I assume that you have reported this to "EBay Trust & Safety"
> or whatever. Probably a good idea. I doubt whether the seller is an
> innocent party here--or even if he is not actually in China.- Hide quoted text -
>
These have been reported but still remain online.
The seller claims to be in Fremont, CA, but the telephone number
is to a lady in Vincennes, Indiana who claims to know nothing about
any
ebay sales. No one of the same name or last name of the seller has
a drivers license, a telephone, or owns property in Fremont, CA.
Finally, a previous listing from the seller has this comment:
Find the notes in difficult very much,If you need more items Please
skype: chinacollect
Bob F.
>These have been reported but still remain online.
>The seller claims to be in Fremont, CA, but the telephone number is to
>a lady in Vincennes, Indiana who claims to know nothing about any ebay
>sales. No one of the same name or last name of the seller has a
>drivers license, a telephone, or owns property in Fremont, CA.
>Finally, a previous listing from the seller has this comment:
> Find the notes in difficult very much,If you need more items Please
skype: chinacollect
Honestly Fwankie, don't you have anything better to do?
The guy has 4 items listed on ebay and you're making a federal case out
of it.
No wonder you have trouble selling coins, you're too busy pretending to
be J. Edgar Hoover!
But how you whine when anybody reports you to eBay.
Karma, Fwankie, karma.
vinces...@hotmail.com
> On Apr 14, 5:16 pm, Bob <RLWinne...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Frank, I assume that you have reported this to "EBay Trust & Safety"
> > or whatever. Probably a good idea. I doubt whether the seller is an
> > innocent party here--or even if he is not actually in China.- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> The seller claims to be in Fremont, CA, but the telephone number
> is to a lady in Vincennes, Indiana who claims to know nothing about
> any
> ebay sales. No one of the same name or last name of the seller has
> a drivers license, a telephone, or owns property in Fremont, CA.
>
> Finally, a previous listing from the seller has this comment:
>
> Find the notes in difficult very much,If you need more items Please
> skype: chinacollect
> These have been reported but still remain online
Looks like they are both gone now.
If the account info doesn't pan out, I'm sure it will be another naru
seller.
Good catch Frank.
Bob F.
>These have been reported but still remain online.
Fwankie, a short while back you blathered that those who report
questionable auctions to eBay are "busybodies".
Guess you changed your tune, eh?
Can't wait until the next time one of your auctions gets yanked to see
you come here to whine and accuse people of "sabotaging" your business.
What a hypocrite!
look@worldnet.att.net don't look
"Steve Ruud" <steveru...@yahATTITUDEoo.com> wrote in message
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If you all check out the PCGS forums and the NGC forums you might find out
Frank is right.
Nick Knight
>Harrumph, it still doesn't open for me. I wonder if my browser doesn't
>like those asterisks.
It opened here, but there are only 2 Japanese coins currently listed. I
need to read the rest of the thread and see if this is explained.
Nick
Nick Knight
04/14/2009
>Because these are dangerous fakes and have been identified as such on
>teletype bulletins and
>confirmed by me as fake.
Oh, I see. JAPANESE trade dollars? I'm still confused, as I don't see any
mention of PCGS. Ok, ok, I'll read to the end before I comment again.
Nick
Bruce Remick
This is the first time I have become aware that fake Japanese trade dollars
are "dangerous". Apparently someone could poke his eye out with one, or a
child could swallow it. I'm glad to hear that these dangerous things are
being placed in safe hands, hopefully by an agency qualified to handle such
items and render them safe. We certainly don't need this problem in
addition to all the other concerns we have to worry about. I feel much more
relieved now. Thank God for the teletype and for cautious citizens.
Bob F.
"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> This is the first time I have become aware that fake Japanese trade
> dollars are "dangerous". Apparently someone could poke his eye out
> with one, or a child could swallow it. I'm glad to hear that these
> dangerous things are being placed in safe hands, hopefully by an
> agency qualified to handle such items and render them safe. We
> certainly don't need this problem in addition to all the other
> concerns we have to worry about. I feel much more relieved now.
> Thank God for the teletype and for cautious citizens.
There are areas where roving gangs of dangerous counterfeit trade
dollars roam the streets accosting innocent collectors and coin dealers!
Thank heaven SUPER-FWANKIE is on guard!
Let's see how gracious he is the next time eBay yanks one of his
auctions or suspends him again.
Bob
> In <2923726c-07e6-4684-bbf5-8bd974d63...@f19g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, on
Personally, I have doubts about the Japanese trade dollars also,
despite the convincing-looking chopmarks. Here's what we know about
this dealer: (1) He/she deliberately sells counterfeit coins or (2) he/
she can't tell the difference between a counterfeit and a genuine
coin. In either case, I would withhold my business and deal with
honest people and experts.
Bob F.
> Here's what we know about this dealer: (1) He/she deliberately sells
coin. In either case, I would withhold my business and deal with honest
people and experts.
We "know" nothing of the sort.
All we know for sure is that the auctions got yanked.
Bruce Remick
"Bob" <RLWin...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In <2923726c-07e6-4684-bbf5-8bd974d63...@f19g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, on
> 04/14/2009
>
> >Because these are dangerous fakes and have been identified as such on
> >teletype bulletins and
> >confirmed by me as fake.
>
> any
> mention of PCGS. ?Ok, ok, I'll read to the end before I comment again.
>
> Nick
Personally, I have doubts about the Japanese trade dollars also,
despite the convincing-looking chopmarks. Here's what we know about
this dealer: (1) He/she deliberately sells counterfeit coins or (2) he/
she can't tell the difference between a counterfeit and a genuine
coin. In either case, I would withhold my business and deal with
honest people and experts.
_______________-
The two things you "know" seem to contradict one another.
Frank
>
> There are areas where roving gangs of dangerous counterfeit trade
> dollars roam the streets accosting innocent collectors and coin dealers!
> Thank heaven SUPER-FWANKIE is on guard!
> Let's see how gracious he is the next time eBay yanks one of his
> auctions or suspends him again.
I have never offered counterfeit coins for sale. My auctions are
cancelled by
vindictive people trying to ruin my business and get me kicked off
eBay.
I have a copy of one complaint that eBay handed over to my attorney.
A pair of
Mercury dimes, hammered into bowl shape with earring hoops attached,
brand new, and
listed under the jewelry category, was ended because I had referenced
the
artisan's suggested retail price of $19.95. The complainer told ebay
that the
auction violated eBay's coin listing policy which required that any
coins
mentioning the price guide value must be slabbed by an approved
company.
Of course, when you report EVERY listing with some trumped up claim of
some violation, a few are acted upon by eBay's poorly trained staff.
(Most of
the coin reports are taken by eBay India Pvt Ltd in Mumbai, India )
When 3
complaints have "gone through" in a 90 day period, the seller receives
a 30 day
ban. Then for the next 60 days, only ONE more complaint out of the
many dozens
sent in needs to go through before ALL of the seller's auctions are
again cancelled,
and another 30 day ban goes into effect. It's easy to see how one or
more persons
with lots of time on their hands can completely destroy the ebay
business of someone
they just don't like.
Ebay has recently put in some procedures to make these kinds of
"games" more
difficult. Oddly, the eBay seller development team was unaware of
this until they
were presented with documentation obtained under subpoena from the
Trust and
Safety division. The seller development team had long dismissed
victims of these
tactics as "whiners" who were "unable to follow the rules."
----
Frank Provasek Rare Coins
http://www.frankcoins.com Ebay FRANKCOINS
Member ANA, Texas Numismatic Assoc, Texas Coin Dealers Assoc,
PCGS, NGC, & ANACS authorized dealer, Texas Auctioneer Lic 11259
Mr. Jaggers
> On Apr 15, 8:22 am, "Bob F." <b...@april2009.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> There are areas where roving gangs of dangerous counterfeit trade
>> dollars roam the streets accosting innocent collectors and coin
>> dealers! Thank heaven SUPER-FWANKIE is on guard!
>> Let's see how gracious he is the next time eBay yanks one of his
>> auctions or suspends him again.
>
>
> I have never offered counterfeit coins for sale.
That is good, but I don't remember anyone ever saying that you did.
My auctions are
> cancelled by
> vindictive people trying to ruin my business and get me kicked off
> eBay.
All this time I thought it was eBay that cancelled auctions.
> I have a copy of one complaint that eBay handed over to my attorney.
Was the complainant identified by name?
> A pair of
> Mercury dimes, hammered into bowl shape with earring hoops attached,
> brand new, and
> listed under the jewelry category, was ended because I had referenced
> the
> artisan's suggested retail price of $19.95. The complainer told ebay
> that the
> auction violated eBay's coin listing policy which required that any
> coins
> mentioning the price guide value must be slabbed by an approved
> company.
Did that or did that not violate eBay's policy? Apparently in eBay's eyes
it did.
> Of course, when you report EVERY listing with some trumped up claim of
> some violation, a few are acted upon by eBay's poorly trained staff.
> (Most of
> the coin reports are taken by eBay India Pvt Ltd in Mumbai, India )
Can you show proof that the service center employees in India are poorly
trained? Generally speaking, once I get past their often heavy accents,
they seem quite competent. In India, only the very top tiny fraction of the
population manages to get such a job, and they are highly motivated to keep
those jobs. Otherwise, it's back to poverty, starvation, squalor, and
begging alongside the roads.
Do you have proof that someone is reporting EVERY [caps yours] listing with
trumped up claims?
Is eBay sharing that person's identity with you?
> When 3
> complaints have "gone through" in a 90 day period, the seller receives
> a 30 day
> ban. Then for the next 60 days, only ONE more complaint out of the
> many dozens
> sent in needs to go through before ALL of the seller's auctions are
> again cancelled,
> and another 30 day ban goes into effect. It's easy to see how one or
> more persons
> with lots of time on their hands can completely destroy the ebay
> business of someone
> they just don't like.
If that is true, your beef would be with eBay for not properly screening the
complaints.
> Ebay has recently put in some procedures to make these kinds of
> "games" more
> difficult. Oddly, the eBay seller development team was unaware of
> this until they
> were presented with documentation obtained under subpoena from the
> Trust and
> Safety division. The seller development team had long dismissed
> victims of these
> tactics as "whiners" who were "unable to follow the rules."
It sounds to me like a "problem solved" situation then. I am glad that is
finally settled, and that you can get back to offering your merchandise on
eBay with confidence.
James
Bob F.
>I have never offered counterfeit coins for sale.
I have never seen anyone claim that you did.
> My auctions are cancelled by vindictive people trying to ruin my
> business and get me kicked off eBay.
Those "busybodies" again, right Fwankie? How does that differ from what
you did to the auctions in this thread?
> Of course, when you report EVERY listing with some trumped up claim of
> some violation, a few are acted upon by eBay's poorly trained staff.
> (Most of
the coin reports are taken by eBay India Pvt Ltd in Mumbai, India )
When 3 complaints have "gone through" in a 90 day period, the seller
receives a 30 day
ban. Then for the next 60 days, only ONE more complaint out of the many
dozens sent in needs to go through before ALL of the seller's auctions
are again cancelled, and another 30 day ban goes into effect. It's easy
to see how one or more persons with lots of time on their hands can
completely destroy the ebay
business of someone they just don't like.
Do you have proof that eBay Indian staff is "poorly trained" or that
"every" listing of yours was reported?
Don't you think it odd that you have a problem getting auctions of what
you consider "fake" coins cancelled yet "vindictive people" seem to have
no problem getting yours yanked, seemingly at will?
Are you saying that your auctions NEVER violated eBay rules?
> Ebay has recently put in some procedures to make these kinds of
> "games" more difficult.
Or is it that you finally learned to adhere to eBay's regulations?
> Oddly, the eBay seller development team was unaware of this until
> they were presented with documentation obtained under subpoena from
> the Trust and
Safety division. The seller development team had long dismissed
victims of these tactics as "whiners" who were "unable to follow the
rules."
Indeed.
Nick Knight
>> That link works for me, James.
>> But it does beg the question of why somebody who has a history of
>> whining about his auctions being cancelled would post it in the first
>> place.
>Because these are dangerous fakes and have been identified as such on
>teletype bulletins and
>confirmed by me as fake.
>This is the first time I have become aware that fake Japanese trade dollars
> are "dangerous".
Not to drag out an apparently dying thread, but I believe I helped lead it
down the Japanese trade dollar path, and later found out that this wasn't at
all what Frank was pointing out. I'll pass on trying to help RWF and his
begging for clues ... sometimes buying vowels won't even help, his case in
point.
The auctions in question disappeared, and I thought for awhile it was just
eBay finally catching up with their responsibility. No such luck. Looks to
me more like the seller caught wind of the cat being let out of the bag and
"closed the item early to sell to the highest bidder". All before eBay
COULD shut him down.
Frank posted this direct link, which is more telling (sold for $1102):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260393357307
Which you can then use to see COMPLETED auctions where a similar trade
dollar was successfully sold for $900. I have no expertise with US Trade
dollars of PCGS slabs, but if they are bogus, someone got stung pretty
badly.
Nick
Bob F.
news:49e6a060$3$avpx$mr2...@news.east.cox.net...
> Looks to
> me more like the seller caught wind of the cat being let out of the
> bag and
> "closed the item early to sell to the highest bidder". All before
> eBay
> COULD shut him down.
Another budding J. Edgar Hoover!
Do you have any FACTS to back up your assertion or are you, like
Fwankie, just bloviating?
oly
> "Nick Knight" <bhnc_1...@mr2ice.com> wrote in message
I must agree with RF - there is no way that you can tell "die pairs"
or anything else from the small, low-quality photos in these
auctions. Yes, there are a lot of fake Trade dollars out there. Many
are apparently on ebay. Some may be in phoney slabs. BUTT as usual,
Frank is just pulling it out the small-timey, hemorroidical, starving
coin dealer ass. I would guess that some of the other posters in this
thread are just Frank's sockpuppets.
I'm surprised the psuedo-Helen hasn't yet been resurrected to "back
up" Frank.
There are many forms of low-life that Frank could be compared to - but
it just wouldn't be fair to the low-lifes.
oly
Bob F.
"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>I must agree with RF - there is no way that you can tell "die pairs" or
>anything else from the small, low-quality photos in these auctions.
Fwankie considers himself a knight in shining armor, protecting the
numismatic community from coins that he in his infinite numismatic
wisdom considers "fake".
Oddly enough, when auctions of his that violated eBay rules were
reported, he became incensed and claimed that "vindictive" people were
attempting to "sabotage" his business (a claim he has been asserting for
years on Usenet.)
Guess Fwankie likes to have it both ways!
>I would guess that some of the other posters in this thread are just
>Frank's sockpuppets.
That would not surprise me either.
Claims of sockpuppetry have dogged him for a long time.
Certain posters' entire Usenet history consist of "defending" Fwankie.
Fwankie loves to be the topic of discussion, be it good or bad.
Many times he has resurrected a weeks-old thread, just to stir up
controversy.
I think he's pathetic.
PC
"Bob F." <b...@april2009.invalid> wrote in message
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Nick at Knight is the king of baseless conjecture.
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
I hesitate to join in any of Frank's threads whatsoever. This is not
because Frank has any superior knowledge, or because my knowledge is
inferior. I hesitate to join in because Frank seems to get his nuts
off by being mentioned on the internet.
oly
PC
> I hesitate to join in because Frank seems to get his nuts
> off by being mentioned on the internet.
Frank Provasec: the man, the myth, the legend.
Bob F.
Hence his proclivity to stir things up by resurrecting dead threads.
He also will issue posts denying that of which he has not been accused.
What he won't do is admit he is to blame for most of his problems.
Fwankie got his auction yanked? Couldn't be because it violated eBay
regulations. No, it's "vindictive busybodies" who are out to "sabotage"
his business.
He's a piece of work. Too bad he doesn't realize most people consider
him a buffoon.
Frank
> I must agree with RF - there is no way that you can tell "die pairs"
> or anything else from the small, low-quality photos in these
> auctions. Yes, there are a lot of fake Trade dollars out there. Many
> are apparently on ebay. Some may be in phoney slabs. BUTT as usual,
> Frank is just pulling it out the small-timey, hemorroidical, starving
> coin dealer ass. I would guess that some of the other posters in this
> thread are just Frank's sockpuppets.
>
> I'm surprised the psuedo-Helen hasn't yet been resurrected to "back
> up" Frank.
>
> There are many forms of low-life that Frank could be compared to - but
> it just wouldn't be fair to the low-lifes.
>
> oly
Interesting that you and PC come in within a few minutes of each other
agreeing
with Finnan, always to insult me.
oly
You can't be insulted Frank. You're something considerably less than
a piece of shit from the get go.
oly
Bob F.
>Interesting that you and PC come in within a few minutes of each other
>agreeing with Finnan, always to insult me.
Way to go Fwankie, you've managed to make a complete ass of yourself in
just one sentence!
Best defense is a good offense, eh Fwankie?
Way to beat those charges of sockpuppetry!
Would you be surprised to know you're the laughingstock of the
numismatic community, you poor pathetic wretch?
oly
Don't exagerate, RF - one rather feels that the numismatic "community"
isn't exactly cognizant of Frank's existence (how lucky they
are!!!).
oly
Bob F.
> Don't exagerate, RF - one rather feels that the numismatic "community"
> isn't exactly cognizant of Frank's existence (how lucky they are!!!).
Well, he's at least the laughingstock of RCC and the readers of Coin
World, where he had a rant published several months ago.
oly
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
It seems to be the policy of Coin World to try to publish at least one
letter from anyone who writes in, no matter how nonsensical or
borderline illiterate.
I am pretty certain that RCC doesn't have seventy-five regular readers
(maybe less than fifty). It's kinda like a coffee or doughnut shop
that used to be popular.
I suppose that you and I will be blamed for stinking up the place.
Can I buy you a refill on your Irish coffee, RF???
oly
PC
Interesting that you and PC come in within a few minutes of each other
agreeing
with Finnan, always to insult me.
>>
I did not intend to insult you. My bad.
mazorj
There's nothing at all interesting or even surprising here. They just don't
like you. You can't please everyone, and on UseNet, sometimes you're lucky
if you please anyone.
The only "interesting" thing here is why you even bother to keep rising to
the bait. It takes two to tangle.
Bob F.
news:Ea7Gl.1348$b11....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> The only "interesting" thing here is why you even bother to keep
> rising to the bait. It takes two to tangle.
Fwankie's life is so empty that he craves any attention, good or bad.
He's quieted down now but he'll resurrect this or another thread with
claims of "vindictive busybodies" who are out to "sabotage" his business
(such as it is!)
Frank
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
I was contacted by a couple of members of the ANA board of governors
who praised my Coin World
letter. Contacted by Michael S. Fey today who confirmed the PCGS
Trade dollars are indeed fake, also
confirmed by ANA president Barry Stuppler. Was interviewed yesterday
for an upcoming feature on ebay fakes for
CoinAGE magazine, which is licensing a couple of my original photos.
mazorj
On Apr 16, 6:31 pm, oly <oly2...@aol.com> wrote:
> You can't be insulted Frank. You're something considerably less than
> a piece of shit from the get go.
>
> oly-
< Bob (Olson), you might be getting a phone call from a mutual
acquaintance from the MPC world to see
if you are being spoofed. Such comments seem very out of character.
Frank,
I never was a member of the Bash Provacek Club (and even did some
e-Bay business with you) but this is contrived Drama Queen material.
Not that I care either way, but take it from a disinterested third
party - you're playing right into your detractors' hands.
mazorj
On Apr 16, 7:38 pm, "Bob F." <b...@april2009.invalid> wrote:
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:09ae03f0-c0b8-4251...@x3g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Don't exagerate, RF - one rather feels that the numismatic "community"
> > isn't exactly cognizant of Frank's existence (how lucky they are!!!).
>
> Well, he's at least the laughingstock of RCC and the readers of Coin
> World, where he had a rant published several months ago.
< It seems to be the policy of Coin World to try to publish at least one
letter from anyone who writes in, no matter how nonsensical or
borderline illiterate.
Have you written a letter to the editor there?
> I am pretty certain that RCC doesn't have seventy-five regular readers
> (maybe less than fifty). It's kinda like a coffee or doughnut shop that
> used to be popular.
Always an interesting question for any newsgroup. Just for grins, I looked
at the more than 5,000 posts on rcc in 2009. It all depends on your
definition of "regular" and there's no way to measure regular *readership*
so I winnowed the list to regular *contributors*. I did this by
eliminating:
1. Anyone who's had four or fewer posts in 2009. (Why 4? I set an
arbitrary floor so that by definition, a "regular" contributor should
average more than one post per month. We're almost 4 months into 2009, so
anyone with only 4 posts does not meet that minimum participation level.
For the record, this eliminated a dozen or two candidates but you have to
draw a line somewhere.)
2. A few with 4 or more posts that were confined to a short burst of
activity (not spreading over a period of 2 or more months). Most of these
probably do not read rcc regularly.
3. Vendors who only posted links to sales they have running.
4. Obvious duplications due to using different names.
5, Drive-by posters who for a while were in a thread cross-posted to their
home newsgroups.
6. Posters with a political or trolling agenda and no real numismatic
content.
I ended up with 92 names.
YMMV but that's more than I expected. It doesn't include our "regular
lurker" readership (among which are those who even made a few posts but
didn't meet the criteria outlined above for "regular contributors"). OTOH
it includes a handful who met the contributor criteria but IMO might not be
"regular readers". Given that this exercise was a bit loosey-goosey from
the start - hey, this is UseNet, folks - I would just round it to claim an
even 100 or so regular contributors plus an unknown number of lurkers.
Bob F.
>... advised me to refute every untrue post made about me so that
>adverse information that shows up would have a rebuttal.
> It's not something I take joy in, as it's a considerable task.
Fwankie, do you ever wonder why you have so many problems and why so
many people apparently despise you?
Mr. Jaggers
> On Apr 18, 6:03 am, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> YMMV but that's more than I expected. It doesn't include our "regular
>> lurker" readership (among which are those who even made a few posts
>> but didn't meet the criteria outlined above for "regular
>> contributors"). OTOH it includes a handful who met the contributor
>> criteria but IMO might not be "regular readers". Given that this
>> exercise was a bit loosey-goosey from the start - hey, this is
>> UseNet, folks - I would just round it to claim an even 100 or so
>> regular contributors plus an unknown number of lurkers.
>
>
> and you will see that this is a high activity group with 1030
> registered users, Also
> the posts are mirrored on the Internet on derkeiler.com,
> zealot.com,nntpnews.net,
> nnseek.com, so most of the posts here will show up on a normal Google
> web search--
> a potential audience of billions!
>
> Try entering " provasek coins" on Google and see how many disparaging
> and untrue posts
> show up...some even translated into Arabic and Japanese!
>
> Wait until you have had the joy of having the FBI come to your door
> and wanting your
> hard drive because of a forged newsgroup post making it appear that
> you are dealing
> in child pornography!
>
> The FBI agent, who after seeing some 300 PAGES of newsgroup posts
> making
> various disparaging claims about me, declared
> me a victim of a "joe-job" but also advised me to refute every untrue
> post made about me
> so that adverse information that shows up would have a rebuttal.
>
> It's not something I take joy in, as it's a considerable task.
Well, Frank, I've been away at a show for three days and am now catching up
on the soap opera here. You have responded at length to multiple posts from
your detractors, most of which have fallen just short of, or all the way in,
the gutter, but have chosen to ignore my post of 4/15/09 at 10:51 a.m., in
which I politely asked for answers to several reasonable questions.
James
Bob F.
news:gsdvu...@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Well, Frank, I've been away at a show for three days and am now
> catching up on the soap opera here. You have responded at length to
> multiple posts from your detractors, most of which have fallen just
> short of, or all the way in, the gutter, but have chosen to ignore my
> post of 4/15/09 at 10:51 a.m., in which I politely asked for answers
> to several reasonable questions.
Fwankie pathetically likes to portray himself as an innocent victim
beset by "vindictive busybodies" who are out to "sabotage" his business.
He wants to garner sympathy for himself, for reasons a psychologist
would probably have a field day with.
What he doesn't like to do is answer reasonable questions or respond to
the overarching question of why so many people (according to him, at any
rate) are out to "get" him.
He's probably rolling a couple of little metal balls around in his hand
even as we speak!
The mess boys "sabotaged" his auctions, right Fwankie?
I've got those Provasek blues
Down from my head to my shoes
All of my sales on eBay
They try to take them away
(Sung to the tune of "Yellowstain Blues")
PC
Yet you continue to mock me, insult me, call me "Fwankie"
call me a laughingstock. What do you do for the good of the
numismatic community. Mr
Finnan???
>>>
Read the writing on the wall: stop responding to him.
Bob F.
>Yet you continue to mock me, insult me, call me "Fwankie" call me a
>laughingstock.
Poor Saint Fwankie, put upon by a cruel world.
mazorj
On Apr 18, 6:03 am, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
> YMMV but that's more than I expected. It doesn't include our "regular
> lurker" readership (among which are those who even made a few posts but
> didn't meet the criteria outlined above for "regular contributors"). OTOH
> it includes a handful who met the contributor criteria but IMO might not
> be
> "regular readers". Given that this exercise was a bit loosey-goosey from
> the start - hey, this is UseNet, folks - I would just round it to claim an
> even 100 or so regular contributors plus an unknown number of lurkers.
< Check http://groups.google.com/group/rec.collecting.coins/about?hl=en
and you will see that this is a high activity group with 1030
registered users,
Fair enough. I just took a more limited empirical approach. You can't
measure how many of the 1,030 are actually reading, just those who posted.
And I purposely narrowed that group down significantly in what may be a
fruitless attempt to define who are the "regulars" here.
< Also the posts are mirrored on the Internet on derkeiler.com,
zealot.com,nntpnews.net,
nnseek.com, so most of the posts here will show up on a normal Google
web search--a potential audience of billions!
Yep, and they will be there for our grandchildren to read on whatever the
Internet looks like then.
< Try entering " provasek coins" on Google and see how many disparaging
and untrue posts show up...some even translated into Arabic and Japanese!
<
< Wait until you have had the joy of having the FBI come to your door
and wanting your
hard drive because of a forged newsgroup post making it appear that
you are dealing in child pornography!
<
< The FBI agent, who after seeing some 300 PAGES of newsgroup posts
making various disparaging claims about me, declared
me a victim of a "joe-job" but also advised me to refute every untrue
post made about me
so that adverse information that shows up would have a rebuttal.
<
< It's not something I take joy in, as it's a considerable task.
Sorry to hear that and you have good reason to be vigilant. However, the
UseNet flames here hardly are in the same league and you've already provided
plenty of paper trail replies to them for the record. Your legal due
dilligence is done. All you're doing now is prolonging the agony of a
meaningless flame war.
oly
> "Frank" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5819c512-5950-47d0...@g37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 18, 6:03 am, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > YMMV but that's more than I expected. It doesn't include our "regular
> > lurker" readership (among which are those who even made a few posts but
> > didn't meet the criteria outlined above for "regular contributors"). OTOH
> > it includes a handful who met the contributor criteria but IMO might not
> > be
> > "regular readers". Given that this exercise was a bit loosey-goosey from
> > the start - hey, this is UseNet, folks - I would just round it to claim an
> > even 100 or so regular contributors plus an unknown number of lurkers.
>
Frank is prolonging his orgasms, don't you know??? He gets off on the
insults.
oly
mazorj
...
< Frank is prolonging his orgasms, don't you know??? He gets off on the
insults.
That's a bit over the top, but along the same lines, I'll venture a little
pop psychology here:
After decades of observing UseNet flame wars, I've concluded that there are
a couple of previously undocumented personality sub-types that initiate and
prolong such exchanges.
1. Ego-sadist - someone whose ego drives him to validate his self-opinion,
and whose sadism provides him pleasure, by attacking anything that moves in
a newsgroup.
2. Ego-masochist - someone whose ego drives him to defend hs self-opinion by
responding to the former, and whose masochism motivates him to repeatedly
prolong the pleasurable agony of the attacks.
Both are "special case" sub-types of the classic Freudian dichotomy. Every
newsgroup has a few of each. :-D
Bob F.
> 1. Ego-sadist - someone whose ego drives him to validate his
> self-opinion, and whose sadism provides him pleasure, by attacking
> anything that moves in a newsgroup.
>
> 2. Ego-masochist - someone whose ego drives him to defend hs
> self-opinion by responding to the former, and whose masochism
> motivates him to repeatedly prolong the pleasurable agony of the
> attacks.
So... which are you?