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stonej

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Nov 15, 2008, 1:30:12 PM11/15/08
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Frank Provasek

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Nov 15, 2008, 7:15:25 PM11/15/08
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On Nov 15, 12:30 pm, stonej <sto...@mail.lib.msu.edu> wrote:
> http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=...

Suspicious since the Mint has been using a waffle cancelling machine
only since 2003. The NGC grading company should have the ethics to
not be condoning the idea that industrial scrap has value by slabbing
this junk.

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1787

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Nov 15, 2008, 7:34:27 PM11/15/08
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Frank Provasek wrote:
> On Nov 15, 12:30 pm, stonej <sto...@mail.lib.msu.edu> wrote:
>> http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=...
>
> Suspicious since the Mint has been using a waffle cancelling machine
> only since 2003. The NGC grading company should have the ethics to
> not be condoning the idea that industrial scrap has value by slabbing
> this junk.

One collector's junk is another collector's treasure. Some collectors are
happy to buy these slabbed waffles.

There are plenty of people angry with NGC (or PCGS) for not slabbing (and
labeling as such) cleaned or surface-altered coins. The term "junk" is
subjective and some take exception with the TPGs deciding for collectors
what is and what is not junk.

W.


RF

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Nov 15, 2008, 7:59:16 PM11/15/08
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"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
news:4a476e55-f8d0-4ce2...@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

>Suspicious since the Mint has been using a waffle cancelling machine
>only since 2003. The NGC grading company should have the ethics to
>not be condoning the idea that industrial scrap has value by slabbing
>this junk.

Why don't you address the issue of why ebay stripped you of your "Power
Seller" status?
What are you trying to hide, Fwankie?

tony cooper

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Nov 15, 2008, 11:26:53 PM11/15/08
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I have no idea of why Frank is no longer a Power Seller, but the
answer can be as simple as "I didn't list enough items for a couple of
months.".

Requirements for a Power Seller include:

To qualify and remain in the PowerSeller program, members must: "Meet
the following average minimum sales requirements: Three Month
requirement: a minimum of $1,000 in sales or 100 items per month, for
three consecutive months"

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

RF

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Nov 16, 2008, 7:49:43 AM11/16/08
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"tony cooper" <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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If that is the case, why doesn't he say so?
In the past, he has claimed he was losing $10,000/month because people
were saying bad thing about him on the Usenet.
Surely somebody who has $10K/month sales qualifies to be a Power Seller
under the rule you cited.
Consumers have a right to know exactly what Fwankie did or did not do to
cause him to be stripped of his Power Seller status.

coinsusa

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Nov 16, 2008, 8:30:02 AM11/16/08
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>
> If that is the case, why doesn't he say so?

There is no requirement for him to say so, or discuss any aspect of
his business here.

> In the past, he has claimed he was losing $10,000/month because people
> were saying bad thing about him on the Usenet.
> Surely somebody who has $10K/month sales qualifies to be a Power Seller
> under the rule you cited.

You assumption anyone that qualifies to be a power seller has to be a
power seller is false.

> Consumers have a right to know exactly what Fwankie did or did not do to
> cause him to be stripped of his Power Seller status >

Again you make an unproven assumption that he was stripped of the
status.

When you say "Fwankie" you don't help your argument. In fact it makes
me think of you as immature.

By the way, what is your real issue with Mr. Provasek, and why do you
need to hide your identity? Are you hiding out from the police or
something?

RF

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Nov 16, 2008, 8:55:11 AM11/16/08
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"coinsusa" <vinces...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> If that is the case, why doesn't he say so?
>
> There is no requirement for him to say so, or discuss any aspect of
> his business here.


Yet he comes here to sell his wares, ipso facto he must be upfront about
why he is no longer a power seller.


>> In the past, he has claimed he was losing $10,000/month because
>> people
>> were saying bad thing about him on the Usenet.
>> Surely somebody who has $10K/month sales qualifies to be a Power
>> Seller
>> under the rule you cited.
>
> You assumption anyone that qualifies to be a power seller has to be a
> power seller is false.

Power Seller get better terms from ebay, to refuse to be one if
qualified is lunacy.

>> Consumers have a right to know exactly what Fwankie did or did not do
>> to
>> cause him to be stripped of his Power Seller status >
>
> Again you make an unproven assumption that he was stripped of the
> status.

And you make the assumption that he was NOT stripped of his PS status.

> When you say "Fwankie" you don't help your argument. In fact it makes
> me think of you as immature.

How fortunate for me that I don't give a shit what you think.


> By the way, what is your real issue with Mr. Provasek, and why do you
> need to hide your identity? Are you hiding out from the police or
> something?

My indentity is known to all the regulars in this group but, even if it
wasn't, what difference would that make about Fwanki being stripped of
his PS status.
He used to brag about it (check the Google Groups archives), so it is
unlikely that he willingly gave it up.

tony cooper

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Nov 16, 2008, 9:36:02 AM11/16/08
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Why should he? Because *you* have asked? He's under no obligation to
reveal his business volume to you or to anyone else in this newsgroup.

If you believe that this information should be revealed, then tell us
how many Cherry Ames books you sold last month? What was your profit
on these sales? Don't hide anything.

>Consumers have a right to know exactly what Fwankie did or did not do to
>cause him to be stripped of his Power Seller status.

No they don't. The Power Seller status is based on a set of
conditions that eBay has made up to encourage people to list more
items on eBay. There is absolutely no benefit to the customer to deal
with a Power Seller, and no loss to the customer who deals with a
seller that is not a Power seller. Some sellers who achieve the Power
Seller status do not display that logo in their ads. It's an
advertisement for eBay, not an honor for the seller.

coinsusa

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Nov 16, 2008, 12:56:00 PM11/16/08
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On Nov 16, 8:55 am, "RF" <R...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "coinsusa" <vincesmith...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:9d183417-36b6-4eb8...@s9g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> If that is the case, why doesn't he say so?
>
> > There is no requirement for him to say so, or discuss any aspect of
> > his business here.
>
> Yet he comes here to sell his wares, ipso facto he must be upfront about
> why he is no longer a power seller.

Ebay status or lack thereof is not a requirement for selling anything
here. Caveat Emptor.

>
> > You assumption anyone that qualifies to be a power seller has to be a
> > power seller is false.
>

> > Again you make an unproven assumption that he was stripped of the
> > status.
>
> And you make the assumption that he was NOT stripped of his PS status.

That is the correct thing to do sir. In this country there is the
presumption of innocence until proven guilty. You think he was
stripped, fine. PROVE IT.

>
> > When you say "Fwankie" you don't help your argument. In fact it makes
> > me think of you as immature.
>
> How fortunate for me that I don't give a shit what you think.

Use of foul language also makes me think of you as immature.


>
> > By the way, what is your real issue with Mr. Provasek, and why do you
> > need to hide your identity? Are you hiding out from the police or
> > something?
>
> My indentity is known to all the regulars in this group but, even if it
> wasn't, what difference would that make about Fwanki being stripped of
> his PS status.

Well, Mr "R...@invalid.invalid" , I consider myself to be a regular and
I don't know, so you are wrong once again. The difference it makes is
to determine if there is any relationship between the two parties to
ascertain why you have a vendetta against this one person going on
here. Your "consumer advocate" excuse doesn't hold water. If you
were, you would be reporting on many other things as well. Since you
didn't answer the question I posed originally, again I ask ...

What is your real issue with Mr. Provasek?

Joe Sewell

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Nov 23, 2008, 3:23:03 PM11/23/08
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In article
<4a476e55-f8d0-4ce2...@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Frank Provasek <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote:

> On Nov 15, 12:30 pm, stonej <sto...@mail.lib.msu.edu> wrote:
> > http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=...
>
> Suspicious since the Mint has been using a waffle cancelling machine
> only since 2003. The NGC grading company should have the ethics to
> not be condoning the idea that industrial scrap has value by slabbing
> this junk.

Assuming the linked article is correct, it's possible that it was
submitted for cancellation after 2003, for unspecified reasons.

As for the NGC complaint, it's obvious that, in "professional" (read
"the people eBay and their ilk listen to") opinions, NGC and PCGS
*never* make mistakes by definition, while everybody else is unreliable
because they aren't NGC or PCGS. QED.

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