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Ned

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Feb 4, 2009, 8:43:08 AM2/4/09
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PC

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Feb 4, 2009, 10:46:46 AM2/4/09
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On Feb 4, 5:43 am, Ned <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
> http://atu.ca/NGC1940

Does anyone still think Ned has some nefarious alterior motive?

Mr. Jaggers

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Feb 4, 2009, 11:14:10 AM2/4/09
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The only reliable evidence indicates that his (or her) motives are entirely
opaque.

James


RWF

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Feb 4, 2009, 11:59:20 AM2/4/09
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"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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Ned seems to like to point out high priced auction.
Where's the harm?

realit...@ausi.com

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Feb 4, 2009, 12:15:26 PM2/4/09
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I want to thank him for pointing out how many morons out there would
pay $1,000 or more for a $150 quarter in one cent's worth of plastic.

Roger Hunt

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Feb 4, 2009, 1:51:01 PM2/4/09
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In article <03b17055-87c4-4b23...@i18g2000prf.googlegroup
s.com>, realit...@ausi.com writes

I think the condition of the holder is relevant here. Is there a service
out there that grades NGC holders? Do they put them in a bigger holder?
--
Roger Hunt

Mr. Jaggers

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Feb 4, 2009, 1:54:13 PM2/4/09
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Anyone who needs this newsgroup to learn that shouldn't be buying coins at
all.

james


realit...@ausi.com

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Feb 4, 2009, 2:16:01 PM2/4/09
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On Feb 4, 10:51 am, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <03b17055-87c4-4b23-b50e-f72c058d8...@i18g2000prf.googlegroup
> s.com>, realitych...@ausi.com writes

It wouldn't surprise me if a TPG came up with something like that to
wring another $30 or so out of the uber gullible.

realit...@ausi.com

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Feb 4, 2009, 2:23:58 PM2/4/09
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On Feb 4, 10:54 am, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:

IMO the bidiots in this auction are going above and beyond the call of
duty for stupidity, so I don't see any harm in Ned putting it out
there and subjecting them to ridicule.

RWF

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Feb 4, 2009, 2:30:54 PM2/4/09
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<realit...@ausi.com> wrote in message
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>IMO the bidiots in this auction are going above and beyond the call of
>duty for stupidity, so I don't see any harm in Ned putting it out there
>and subjecting them to ridicule.

I never have minded Ned's posts.
Why it sets certain other posters into fits I'll never understand.

realit...@ausi.com

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Feb 4, 2009, 2:48:48 PM2/4/09
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On Feb 4, 11:30 am, "RWF" <R...@200902.invalid> wrote:
> <realitych...@ausi.com> wrote in message

Many of Ned's posts even stimulate actual discussions about *coins* in
a coin collecting NG. <gasp>

RWF

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Feb 4, 2009, 3:35:58 PM2/4/09
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<realit...@ausi.com> wrote in message
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>Many of Ned's posts even stimulate actual discussions about *coins* in
>a coin collecting NG. <gasp>

Shocking, absolutely shocking.
I thought the purpose of this NG was to mock Sarge's poor command of the
English language and general all-around buffoonery.

Mr. Jaggers

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Feb 4, 2009, 3:46:20 PM2/4/09
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This cannot continue. Something MUST be done! 8>)

James


Phil DeMayo

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Feb 4, 2009, 4:07:29 PM2/4/09
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On Feb 4, 3:35�pm, "RWF" <R...@200902.invalid> wrote:

> I thought the purpose of this NG was to mock Sarge's poor command of the
> English language and general all-around buffoonery.

There's always "Arizona"...the guy with the keyboard that seems to be
missing "ed".

He needs to learn that not every article his search engine finds on
the web with the word "coin" in it is reevant to this newsgroup.

Damn..now I'm gonna get "sue" or flaming.

Phil DeMayo

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Feb 4, 2009, 4:12:10 PM2/4/09
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just minutes ago I posted:

> is reevant to this newsgroup.

Time to clean the contact on the letter "l" on my own keyboard.

< blush >

RWF

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Feb 4, 2009, 4:14:01 PM2/4/09
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"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 4, 3:35�pm, "RWF" <R...@200902.invalid> wrote:

> Damn..now I'm gonna get "sue" or flaming.

Shouldn't that be "su" and "flam"?

Arizona Coin Collector

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Feb 4, 2009, 4:29:28 PM2/4/09
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"RWF" <R...@200902.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:3579fbe0-1e07-45c4...@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

> On Feb 4, 3:35?pm, "RWF" <R...@200902.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Damn..now I'm gonna get "sue" or flaming.
>
> Shouldn't that be "su" and "flam"?

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"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 4, 3:35?pm, "RWF" <R...@200902.invalid> wrote:

> I thought the purpose of this NG was to mock Sarge's poor command of the
> English language and general all-around buffoonery.

> There's always "Arizona"...the guy with the keyboard that seems to be
> missing "ed".

> He needs to learn that not every article his search engine finds on
> the web with the word "coin" in it is reevant to this newsgroup.
>

> Damn..now I'm gonna get "sue" or flaming.


Hello Phil and RWF

I cannot stand to do jury duty much less deal
with lawyers. I would not do a lawsuit for
flaming or spelling errors. I make enough on
my own. Don't need any help in that.

< Smile > :) (Both of You)

mazorj

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Feb 4, 2009, 5:18:06 PM2/4/09
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"Roger Hunt" <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Sure. Just be sure to look for slabbed slabs with the CAC sticker on
the outer slab. Better act fast, though, the Chinese are gearing up
to counterfeit the old-style holders in "MS-70" condition.


PC

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Feb 4, 2009, 8:00:13 PM2/4/09
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On Feb 4, 5:43 am, Ned <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
> http://atu.ca/NGC1940

Apart from the silly 'buy the slab' nonsense the auction drives me
crazy with the gross veruse of ellipses. Three dots at a time only and
not in between every half-baked thought, please.

Jon Purkey

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Feb 4, 2009, 8:37:26 PM2/4/09
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If I were foolish enough to pay that kind of money for a holder I
would want it to be in pristine condition. And from the pictures, it
does not appear to be even close.

mazorj

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Feb 4, 2009, 10:52:59 PM2/4/09
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"PC" <Super...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Oy, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who is irked by
excessive and excessively long ellipses.

Sometimes they make me want to.....................
well................. you know.....................

Bill Krummel

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Feb 5, 2009, 12:13:34 PM2/5/09
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"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I agree...about the strange use of ellipses. But, I am taking a contrarian
position from the other posters with regard to the auction and auction
result. People collect so many different things and are willing to pay
small and large amounts of money to add to their collection. I think the
slabbing companies plastic holders are a very valid item to collect and, as
with any other collectible, the amount of money required to obtain a given
item will reflect the demand versus the supply.

I was amused by one poster's comment about the morons who would spend $1,000
for the one cent plastic that holds a $150 quarter (what, $3 worth of
silver?). My ex-wife thought I was a moron if I considered spending $150 on
a quarter.

No, I do not collect slabbers' holders, but I think I would if I had more
than enough disposable income to buy the coins I wanted.

Bill


realit...@ausi.com

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Feb 5, 2009, 12:32:34 PM2/5/09
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On Feb 5, 9:13 am, "Bill Krummel" <dqu...@netins.net> wrote:
> I was amused by one poster's comment about the morons who would spend $1,000
> for the one cent plastic that holds a $150 quarter (what, $3 worth of
> silver?).  My ex-wife thought I was a moron if I considered spending $150 on
> a quarter.

So how is your collection of junk silver and circulated clad going
these days?

Apparently this will come as a shock to you, but believe it or not,
coin collectors will pay more money than base silver value for coins
in top uncirculated condition.

>
> No, I do not collect slabbers' holders, but I think I would if I had more
> than enough disposable income to buy the coins I wanted.
>
> Bill

Evedently there *is* one born every day.

Bill Krummel

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Feb 5, 2009, 1:06:51 PM2/5/09
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<realit...@ausi.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 5, 9:13 am, "Bill Krummel" <dqu...@netins.net> wrote:
> I was amused by one poster's comment about the morons who would spend
> $1,000
> for the one cent plastic that holds a $150 quarter (what, $3 worth of
> silver?). My ex-wife thought I was a moron if I considered spending $150
> on
> a quarter.

So how is your collection of junk silver and circulated clad going
these days?

Ha! Well, that is somewhat what I collected for awhile. I am a bit more
snobbish now that the wife is the ex.

Apparently this will come as a shock to you, but believe it or not,
coin collectors will pay more money than base silver value for coins
in top uncirculated condition.


If I may;

Apparently this will come as a shock to you, but believe it or not,

coin slab holder collectors will pay more money than base plastic value for
grading company slabs.

My point was that some consider it moronic to spend $1,000 for the one cent
of plastic that holds a coin. Others (not just my ex) can not fathom
spending $10, $100, or a thousand for a quarter. It makes no sense to some
and they would consider us moronic. Some can not understand spending large
sums of money for a piece of cardboard with an image of a baseball player on
it.

> No, I do not collect slabbers' holders, but I think I would if I had more
> than enough disposable income to buy the coins I wanted.
>
> Bill

Evedently there *is* one born every day.

Prolly. The evedence was evedent when I first paid more than face for a
coin. 8>)

Bill

Jon Purkey

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Feb 5, 2009, 8:07:59 PM2/5/09
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:06:51 -0600, "Bill Krummel" <dqu...@netins.net>
wrote:

>My point was that some consider it moronic to spend $1,000 for the one cent
>of plastic that holds a coin. Others (not just my ex) can not fathom
>spending $10, $100, or a thousand for a quarter. It makes no sense to some
>and they would consider us moronic. Some can not understand spending large
>sums of money for a piece of cardboard with an image of a baseball player on
>it.

I can understand people paying $1000 for a first generation slab that
is in excellent condition. I just question people paying $1000 for a
slab that from the scans appears to have several scratches and nicks.
Based on the serial # (121689) there must be more of the slabs out
there and some could even be listed by sellers who do not know the
slab the NGC coin they are selling is in has any extra value.

But maybe the buyers are trying to assemble a type set, rather than
looking for any coin in a 1st gen NGC slab, and not many Washington
quarters were submitted to NGC in the early days of grading. Today a
1940-D Washington graded MS-64 has a high enough value to justify the
grading fee, but has that always been the case?

Frank Provasek

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Feb 6, 2009, 4:32:52 PM2/6/09
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There are collectors of various versions of slabs who pay what appear
to be ridiculous prices.
I offered a sample NGC slab with a circulated V nickel which brought
$135.

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RWF

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Feb 6, 2009, 4:35:03 PM2/6/09
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"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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> There are collectors of various versions of slabs who pay what appear
> to be ridiculous prices.
> I offered a sample NGC slab with a circulated V nickel which brought
> $135.

What did you pay for it, Fwankie? $200.00?

Frank Provasek

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Feb 6, 2009, 7:33:34 PM2/6/09
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$7

Frank Provasek

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Feb 6, 2009, 8:27:21 PM2/6/09
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On Feb 4, 9:46 am, PC <Superfly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 4, 5:43 am, Ned <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>
> >http://atu.ca/NGC1940
>
> Does anyone still think Ned has some nefarious alterior motive?

There must be some reason Ned was banned from Google groups, as they
don't do that simply for being annoying.

There is always a risk with clicking on one of those "make a smaller
link" URLs, You cannot tell where the link points to until you click
on it. Could just as easily be a malware site that installs "drive-by"
trojans. And whoever is operating the redirect service can grab a
lot of information about you.

And before Finnan replies with one of his "put on your tin foil hat,
Fwankie" remarks, any interested person can verify the information
below:

Using TCPView from Sysinternals on Ned's link, for example, a TCP port
opens to easydns.com in Canada, which makes sense, but also opens a
TCP connection to http://akson.sgh.waw.pl . That's a student and
staff internal page at the Warsaw, Poland, School of Economics No
valid expanation for that connection. This connection is not made by
going to the ebay link directly.

Mr. Jaggers

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Feb 6, 2009, 8:42:37 PM2/6/09
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Just yesterday I had to take my computer to the shop to have it repaired. I
overheard the owner of the shop comparing the internet to a public toilet.
Methinks his analogy was quite appropriate. They still haven't figured out
what's ailing my machine, even after using several bots on it. Time to
reformat (again), I fear.

James


Jon Purkey

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Feb 6, 2009, 9:28:06 PM2/6/09
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:27:21 -0800 (PST), Frank Provasek
<fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote:

>There is always a risk with clicking on one of those "make a smaller
>link" URLs, You cannot tell where the link points to until you click
>on it. Could just as easily be a malware site that installs "drive-by"
>trojans. And whoever is operating the redirect service can grab a
>lot of information about you.

At least some of the sites now tell you where the link will take you,
giving you an option of whether to proceedd. Of course you do not know
that until you click.

Actually, I do not see why it is even necessary to use a redirect
service with eBay. Just search for your auction by auction # and copy
that URL. It is short enough that there should be no risk of it
breaking. And people are more likely to take a look.

Coffee's For Closers

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Feb 6, 2009, 9:40:04 PM2/6/09
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In article <03b17055-87c4-4b23-b50e-
f72c05...@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, realit...@ausi.com
says...

> On Feb 4, 8:59=A0am, "RWF" <R...@200902.invalid> wrote:
> > "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:gmceq...@enews2.newsguy.com...
> >
> > > PC wrote:
> > >> On Feb 4, 5:43 am, Ned <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
> > >>>http://atu.ca/NGC1940
> >
> > >> Does anyone still think Ned has some nefarious alterior motive?
> >
> > > The only reliable evidence indicates that his (or her) motives are
> > > entirely opaque.
> >
> > Ned seems to like to point out high priced auction.
> > Where's the harm?


> I want to thank him for pointing out how many morons out there would
> pay $1,000 or more for a $150 quarter in one cent's worth of plastic.


Why do you suggest that the quarter is worth $150? Serious
question.

And how is that different to someone else thinking that the
quarter is worth $1,000?

Sure, the grading service holder has maybe one cent's worth of
plastic in it.

But, with that attitude, the coin itself has about $2.37 worth of
metal in it (according to the Coinflation site.)

It is all about the psychology of what the market will bear,
with the supply/demand levels.


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Ned

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realit...@ausi.com

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Feb 11, 2009, 12:20:24 PM2/11/09
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On Feb 11, 8:35 am, Ned <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
> In article
> <0f2c93c043afdf392e6f27a22a0c2...@pseudo.borked.net>

>
> Ned <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
>
> >http://atu.ca/NGC1940
>
> Winning bid $1,530

That quarter looks like a crackout candidate to me.

Jon Purkey

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Feb 11, 2009, 2:40:19 PM2/11/09
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So goodbye to a $1400+ slab. :)

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