Half Dollar size
malanu...@aol.com
I asked this before, but, not really diretly. Is it a good idea to
propose changing the size, color, and thickness of the half dollar
coin, in my dog proposal? Or should I just rewrite the legislation, to
keep the same half dollar size, and color, and advocate the dog
designs to be put on the current sized half?
Also, if these things took off, and were really circulating (which I
doubt will happen, but...) did someone here, tell me that the
faceplates on vending machines only cost around 5 cents to replace? I
thought I heard that price here, or somewhere else, but I believe it
would cost at least a little more for that. If I could convince the
vending industry to retool their machines and put a slot big enough to
take the current size half, I would just advocate a design change,
instead of a full blown weight, size and color redesign.
I wrote a letter to NAMA, about the dog halves, the Louisiana/
Monticello $2 bills, and even though the vending industry likely would
not benefit from it much, I'm sending a copy of the $200, $500, and
$1,000 bill legislation, as well, to see if they are interested in
supporting all three bills. I did suggest that the vendors should not
waste time, upgrading their machines to take the $2isiana Purchase $2
bills, but to wait for a year later, to program their machines to take
the permenant Monticello design, that comes out a year after the
$2isiana bill one year program.
I know that the vending industry doesn't really like the half dollar,
but I'm willing to give it a try.
Bruce Remick
<malanu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Guys,
>
> I asked this before, but, not really diretly. Is it a good idea to
> propose changing the size, color, and thickness of the half dollar
> coin, in my dog proposal? Or should I just rewrite the legislation, to
> keep the same half dollar size, and color, and advocate the dog
> designs to be put on the current sized half?
You're barking up a tall tree with your dog halves to begin with. Adding a
change in design and/or thickness would just about doom any chances of
anyone taking you seriously.
>
> Also, if these things took off, and were really circulating (which I
> doubt will happen, but...) did someone here, tell me that the
> faceplates on vending machines only cost around 5 cents to replace? I
> thought I heard that price here, or somewhere else, but I believe it
> would cost at least a little more for that. If I could convince the
> vending industry to retool their machines and put a slot big enough to
> take the current size half, I would just advocate a design change,
> instead of a full blown weight, size and color redesign.
If you could somehow provide firm documentation that configuring all their
machines to accept half dollars will result in increased sales, you may get
someone in the industry to listen to you. As for the design change, I
wouldn't trouble them with that proposal.
>
> I wrote a letter to NAMA, about the dog halves, the Louisiana/
> Monticello $2 bills, and even though the vending industry likely would
> not benefit from it much, I'm sending a copy of the $200, $500, and
> $1,000 bill legislation, as well, to see if they are interested in
> supporting all three bills. I did suggest that the vendors should not
> waste time, upgrading their machines to take the $2isiana Purchase $2
> bills, but to wait for a year later, to program their machines to take
> the permenant Monticello design, that comes out a year after the
> $2isiana bill one year program.
If I were you, I'd stick with one proposal at a time. Research all aspects
of your proposal thoroughly and provide as much documented cost savings as
possible.
>
> I know that the vending industry doesn't really like the half dollar,
> but I'm willing to give it a try.
Your assignment then is to MAKE them like it.
RWF
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> <malanu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Guys,
>>
>> I asked this before, but, not really diretly. Is it a good idea to
>> propose changing the size, color, and thickness of the half dollar
>> coin, in my dog proposal? Or should I just rewrite the legislation,
>> to
>> keep the same half dollar size, and color, and advocate the dog
>> designs to be put on the current sized half?
>
> You're barking up a tall tree with your dog halves to begin with.
> Adding a change in design and/or thickness would just about doom any
> chances of anyone taking you seriously.
Do you honestly believe that anyone who is a recipient of his letters
takes him seriously in the first place?
The best Mnutt can hope for is a polite form letter thanking him for his
letter (which, of course, immediately thereafter is consigned to the
circular file).
Bruce Remick
"RWF" <R...@200901.invalid> wrote in message
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Hey, Democrats are in charge. Anything is possible. Somebody actually got
those (sigh) National Park quarters approved, with an apparent option for a
follow-up series in the out years. That should take care of MY lifetime.
Who let the dogs out?
RWF
> Hey, Democrats are in charge. Anything is possible.
After years of the GOP idiot poster boy Dubya, anything has got to be an
improvement.
Put don't blame me, I voted the straight Communist ticket again this
year!
Bruce Remick
"RWF" <R...@200901.invalid> wrote in message
You voted?? What an optimist!
RWF
If you don't vote, you can't complain about the gubmint.
Personally, I plan on writing my congressman about my plan for a 12.5¢
coin featuring little known bit players from Hollywood's golden era.
Bruce Remick
"RWF" <R...@200901.invalid> wrote in message
>
> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "RWF" <R...@200901.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:gke85v$fgu$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e7xal.6670$1k1...@newsfe14.iad...
>>>> Hey, Democrats are in charge. Anything is possible.
>>>
>>> After years of the GOP idiot poster boy Dubya, anything has got to be an
>>> improvement.
>>> Put don't blame me, I voted the straight Communist ticket again this
>>> year!
>>
>> You voted?? What an optimist!
>
> If you don't vote, you can't complain about the gubmint.
If it were only that simple. But I never read where non-voters couldn't
complain. Seems like they would have the most to complain about, especially
if they didn't like either of the candidates running.
> Personally, I plan on writing my congressman about my plan for a 12.5¢
> coin featuring little known bit players from Hollywood's golden era.
The key would be to use four 12½ cent stamps on the envelope. That would be
sure to get some attention. Keep in mind that there already are some little
known bit-players in Congress.
Mr. Jaggers
How many folks here will pick up on that excellent pun?
James
Bruce Remick
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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Two.
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "RWF" <R...@200901.invalid> wrote in message
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>>>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e7xal.6670$1k1...@newsfe14.iad...
>>>>> Hey, Democrats are in charge. Anything is possible.
>>>>
>>>> After years of the GOP idiot poster boy Dubya, anything has got
>>>> to
>>>> be an improvement.
It's been said that a district attorney can indict a ham sandwich. I
would have voted for one if that were the only alternative nominee.
>>>> Put don't blame me, I voted the straight Communist ticket again
>>>> this year!
What, they ran a gay Communist ticket too?
>>> You voted?? What an optimist!
>>
>> If you don't vote, you can't complain about the gubmint.
>> Personally, I plan on writing my congressman about my plan for a
>> 12.5¢
>> coin featuring little known bit players from Hollywood's golden
>> era.
>
> How many folks here will pick up on that excellent pun?
Technically it's a double entendre ("two meanings") and not a pun,
which is a double entendre based on a similarity in the sounds of
different words. I loved it, but then, I'm not of the opunion that
the pun is the lowest form of humor.
mazorj
>
> "RWF" <R...@200901.invalid> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "RWF" <R...@200901.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:gke85v$fgu$1...@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e7xal.6670$1k1...@newsfe14.iad...
>>>>> Hey, Democrats are in charge. Anything is possible.
>>>>
>>>> After years of the GOP idiot poster boy Dubya, anything has got
>>>> to be an improvement.
>>>> Put don't blame me, I voted the straight Communist ticket again
>>>> this year!
>>>
>>> You voted?? What an optimist!
>>
>> If you don't vote, you can't complain about the gubmint.
>
> If it were only that simple. But I never read where non-voters
> couldn't complain. Seems like they would have the most to complain
> about, especially if they didn't like either of the candidates
> running.
The First Amendment guarantees that they can complain. It doesn't
guarantee that anyone will listen to complaints from someone who
doesn't understand the importance of the ballot. Most times, I've
ended up voting for the lesser of two evils. (Or as Capt. Jack Aubrey
would say, "the lesser of two weevils" - so who gets than pun without
googling it?)
If someone can't be troubled to at least vote against the greater
"evil" of the two, then as a listener, IMO he has a lot less authority
and credibility when he joins us voters in kvetching about government.
And no, I don't accept an explanation that the voter doesn't like
either candidate and is voting with his feet. That might be a
legitimate position to take in places where the election is a sham,
but that's not what the ballot is about in a democracy. If you don't
like the candidates, write in your own choice.
Mr. Jaggers
Beg to respectfully differ. A pun is defined as a play on words, which this
definitely was. There was not a homophonous pair of words involved, just
the one word "bit." A double entendre is similar, in that an expression has
two meanings, but one of them must be risqué or otherwise indelicate.
Where's Tony Cooper when a guy needs him? Normally he would come barrelling
in at this point to settle the dispute and perhaps stave off a much larger
conflict. I don't want either of us to get all bunged up as a result of all
this hoop-la.
James
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> mazorj wrote:
>> "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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>>> RWF wrote:
...
>>>> If you don't vote, you can't complain about the gubmint.
>>>> Personally, I plan on writing my congressman about my plan for a
>>>> 12.5¢
>>>> coin featuring little known bit players from Hollywood's golden
>>>> era.
>>>
>>> How many folks here will pick up on that excellent pun?
>>
>> Technically it's a double entendre ("two meanings") and not a pun,
>> which is a double entendre based on a similarity in the sounds of
>> different words. I loved it, but then, I'm not of the opunion that
>> the pun is the lowest form of humor.
>
> Beg to respectfully differ. A pun is defined as a play on words,
> which this definitely was. There was not a homophonous pair of
> words involved, just the one word "bit." A double entendre is
> similar, in that an expression has two meanings, but one of them
> must be risqué or otherwise indelicate.
>
> Where's Tony Cooper when a guy needs him? Normally he would come
> barrelling in at this point to settle the dispute and perhaps stave
> off a much larger conflict. I don't want either of us to get all
> bunged up as a result of all this hoop-la.
Nice double entendres! You're on a barrel roll! But since we're
respectfully agreeing to respectfully disagree...
Regardless of any (inadequate) definitions to the contrary, a
technical distinction needs to be made between a simple double
entendre (double meaning) and the subset of DEs that are based on two
different words or phrases that sound much alike but the *words
themselves* are different and they have two *totally unrelated*
meanings. They both are "word play" but in a simple DE, the play is
not on the sounds themselves. The two meanings *must* have some kind
of ironic tie to each other. Puns do not require, and seldom have,
any ironic tie between the two meanings.
In a pun, the phonic similarity is more important than the substance
of the double meaning. For example, in the pun joke that ends with
"Pardon me Roy, is that the cat who ate your two shoes?" the punch
line has to track closely with, but differ from the original "Pardon
me boy, is that the Chattanooga choo-choo?" Otherwise, it's complete
nonsense to the listener. In fact, without the conceit of using it as
the foil in a pun, it's still a nonsense sentence. So the humor of a
pun depends entirely on the play on the sounds.
Risque non-punning DEs are just another subset. We all remember Mae
West's lines like "Is that a comb in your pocket or are you just happy
to see me?" No mistaking the double meaning there. A fellow named
Ted Mark made a writing career out of risque DEs and puns - the title
of his short story "The Girl in the Freudian Slip" says it all.
However, even though most people associate DEs with sly risque humor,
most DEs do not involve risque themes. For example, any statement
that concludes with "so to speak" probably means that the speaker was
flagging a DE for the listener. Ditto for any statement that
concludes with "It gives a new meaning to the word 'X'." In a Mae
West DE, the humor is not in the similarity of sounds - the operant
words "happy to see me" are in fact exactly the same in both
meanings - but in the double interpretation that can be placed on
"happy to see me".
So... All puns are DEs; but not all DEs are puns.
BTW, I just noticed that your barrel-theme DEs are an extension of
your invocation of "Cooper". Nice. ;-)
Mr. Jaggers
Thanks. But I think that the Wild Mae West actually asked whether it was a
gun (sometimes substituted by a banana) in the guy's pocket...but let's
exit, stage left, before we get into trouble here.
James the Pious
mazorj
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
> mazorj wrote:
>> BTW, I just noticed that your barrel-theme DEs are an extension of
>> your invocation of "Cooper". Nice. ;-)
>
> Thanks. But I think that the Wild Mae West actually asked whether
> it was a gun (sometimes substituted by a banana) in the guy's
> pocket...
IIRC, I've heard it from her both as a comb and a gun - she probably
used them on different occasions. I suspect the banana was from a
copycat. Her DEs had a certain prim propriety and the banana image
crosses into the crass. I may be wrong there but if so, it may have
been used in a Vaudeville routine and not in the more priggish movie
venues.
> but let's exit, stage left, before we get into trouble here.
Amen. Lead on, MacDuff. (I'd have used the accurate citation, "Lay
on, MacDuff," but that might be misinterpreted as a risque DE.)
Jon Purkey
>Guys,
>
>I asked this before, but, not really diretly. Is it a good idea to
>propose changing the size, color, and thickness of the half dollar
>coin, in my dog proposal? Or should I just rewrite the legislation, to
>keep the same half dollar size, and color, and advocate the dog
>designs to be put on the current sized half?
I'd go with trying to get the size changed first which just *might*
result in half dollars circulating more and then try for the famous
dog series idea. Personally I would like to see any new coin series
wait until at least the Presidential series ends in 2016/17. We don't
want $40 Mint Sets.
Scott Stevenson
>The First Amendment guarantees that they can complain. It doesn't
>guarantee that anyone will listen to complaints from someone who
>doesn't understand the importance of the ballot. Most times, I've
>ended up voting for the lesser of two evils. (Or as Capt. Jack Aubrey
>would say, "the lesser of two weevils" - so who gets than pun without
>googling it?)
Next time, vote Cthulu--the evil of two lessers.
take care,
Scott
"Don't blame me--I voted for Kodos!"
RWF
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Yes, of the little-known Necronomicon party, headquartered in Arkham.
PC
"RWF" <R...@200901.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
> If you don't vote, you can't complain about the gubmint.
> Personally, I plan on writing my congressman about my plan for a 12.5¢
> coin featuring little known bit players from Hollywood's golden era.
>
I would like to see a half dollar series of obscure "jobber" wrestlers from
the 80s.