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Ironside produced TWO sets of designs for the UK's decimals!

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Ice Torch

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Feb 17, 2011, 11:00:29 PM2/17/11
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The UK recently celebrated the 40th anniversary of the adoption of the
decimal system. Many of you will know that Christopher Ironside was
responsible for the original reverse designs. What isn't generally
known is that he had to produce TWO sets of designs. Find out why, and
view some of his sketches for his earlier UK designs, by clicking on
the link below:

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php/topic,8790


Ice Torch.

Hans Goossen

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Feb 18, 2011, 2:19:41 PM2/18/11
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So he won two times! WOW! I like the ship design of the penny. Nice story.

hans

http://www.paraguaycoins.com/

Ice Torch

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Feb 18, 2011, 3:18:37 PM2/18/11
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On Feb 18, 7:19 pm, Hans Goossen <goos...@gmx.com> wrote:

> So he won two times! WOW! I like the ship design of the penny. Nice story.
>
> hans
>
> http://www.paraguaycoins.com/

Yes, I prefer thematic designs too. Heraldry and state symbols are
very old-fashioned.

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oly

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Feb 18, 2011, 3:38:50 PM2/18/11
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Well, I say "Hail Britannia!".

It's just plain wrong not to have Britannia on at least one of the
U.K. circulating coins after damn near 350 years.

oly

Ice Torch

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Feb 18, 2011, 4:47:27 PM2/18/11
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On Feb 18, 8:38 pm, oly <oly2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Well, I say "Hail Britannia!".
>
> It's just plain wrong not to have Britannia on at least one of the
> U.K. circulating coins after damn near 350 years.
>
> oly

"Britannia" was an invention of the ancient Romans. No sleeping with
the Occupation, I say! No looking back - only forward!

Ice Torch.

oly

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Feb 18, 2011, 7:58:18 PM2/18/11
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And what, pray tell, is forward for your country???

Having pot-metal coins that form a jig-saw puzzle???

I like England very much, but I don't see much "forward" involved in
it.

As for whom you're sleeping with, I think I like D. Cameron's "multi-
culturalism has failed", at least to the minimum extent that that
speech has been allowed to be reported in America.

oly

Ice Torch

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Feb 18, 2011, 8:11:36 PM2/18/11
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On Feb 19, 12:58 am, oly <oly2...@aol.com> wrote:

> And what, pray tell, is forward for your country???
>
> Having pot-metal coins that form a jig-saw puzzle???

Yes, I despise the "jigsaw puzzle". Was hoping for a modern thematic
set.

Ice Torch.

oly

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Feb 18, 2011, 8:26:59 PM2/18/11
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If you like "modern", at least they didn't mess with the reverse of
the two pounds coin, which is "modern" in an interesting but also
confusing way.

oly

Ice Torch

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Feb 19, 2011, 7:03:08 AM2/19/11
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Modern in a symbolic way. The symbolism is not confusing once you
understand that it cleverly represents technology through the ages,
from the Iron Age through to the microchip and the Internet. Onr you
understand it, you never forget it, and yes, it's an attractive design
too. Unlike the confusing symbolism of the pyramid and eye that you
find on the greenback and which confuses simple-minded conspiracy
theorists. :-)

Ice Torch.

oly

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Feb 19, 2011, 2:21:26 PM2/19/11
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Well, actually I think in less than 20 years, the most recent elements
of the bimetalic UK 2 pound reverse (like the computer disc) will
probably be incomprehensible - that is how fast technology is
changing.

oly

Ice Torch

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Feb 19, 2011, 2:39:43 PM2/19/11
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On Feb 19, 7:21 pm, oly <oly2...@aol.com> wrote:

> Well, actually I think in less than 20 years, the most recent elements
> of the bimetalic UK 2 pound reverse (like the computer disc) will
> probably be incomprehensible - that is how fast technology is
> changing.
>
> oly

Certainly not incomprehensible. Outmoded, probably.


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oly

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Feb 19, 2011, 4:15:17 PM2/19/11
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Well, if they had put a square five-inch "floppy disc" on it instead
of the round CD, a lot of people wouldn't recognize that. And that's
just a few years since those big ugly things were everywhere.

FWIW, the Krause Catalogs call the reverse of the 2 bi-metallic pounds
a "Celtic Design", not recognizing what it is at all, not even close.

oly

Beanie

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Feb 19, 2011, 4:50:39 PM2/19/11
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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:a34361dd-68c8-4b3e...@8g2000prt.googlegroups.com...

On Feb 19, 1:39 pm, Ice Torch <iceto...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 19, 7:21 pm, oly <oly2...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, actually I think in less than 20 years, the most recent elements
> > of the bimetalic UK 2 pound reverse (like the computer disc) will
> > probably be incomprehensible - that is how fast technology is
> > changing.
>
> > oly
>
> Certainly not incomprehensible. Outmoded, probably.
>
> Ice Torch.

Well, if they had put a square five-inch "floppy disc" on it instead
of the round CD, a lot of people wouldn't recognize that. And that's
just a few years since those big ugly things were everywhere.

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More like 15 years...


Frank Provasek

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Feb 19, 2011, 9:34:30 PM2/19/11
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The alternate designs are very nice. Given two choices, government
authorities
seem to always choose the least creative.

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Hans Goossen

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Feb 21, 2011, 7:19:49 AM2/21/11
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011, Frank Provasek wrote:

> The alternate designs are very nice. Given two choices, government
> authorities
> seem to always choose the least creative.
>

I wonder if is that or is the fact that we are used to see the actual
designs and our mind makes them appear boring over the time.
So when we see the alternate designs think they are better just because
they are "new" to us.

hans

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Ice Torch

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Feb 21, 2011, 11:26:30 AM2/21/11
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If I like a design, I like it forever. Sometimes I don't like a
design, then I change my mind - bu then too, I like it forever after
that. And I prefer SOME of the alternative designs of Mr Ironside.
Let's be honest, of his Uk decimal final set, there is not one piece
you would call a classic. He himself was known to be disappointed with
the results, because he'd been asked to change them so often that they
no longer carried his original vision.

Ice Torch.

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