When were successive monarchs first portrayed facing in opposite directions?
Ice Torch
directions on the coins of the UK - apart from Edward VIII, who was
forced to abdicate after insisting on facing the wrong way. I had
assumed that that tradition was/had been universal among European
monarchies. It was only when looking at portraits of King Peter II of
Yugoslavia, that I realised he had faced two different ways in 1938.
Looking at the kings of Romania, I then found the same phenomenon. So
how and when did this tradition start in England? And did any other
monarchies (independent Scotland, perhaps) adopt a similar policy?
Ice Torch.
Beanie
"Ice Torch" <icet...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's taken for granted now that successive monarchs face in opposite
> directions on the coins of the UK - apart from Edward VIII, who was
> forced to abdicate after insisting on facing the wrong way.
To say he was "forced to abdicate after insisting on facing the wrong way" is
the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Are you a moron, boy?
oly
> "Ice Torch" <iceto...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
Well, Gee, I always thought that the first monarchs to do this (face
in opposite directions) were Alfred the 69th and Maurice the 96th,
Their Serene Hereditary Fellators of "Soixante-Neuf-Analia".
oly
Ice Torch
> "Ice Torch" <iceto...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
I'm neither a moron nor a boy, dear girl. T'was meant to be a joke.
It's often said in England that Americans don't do irony, but I
disagree. Guess that must make you a wetback...
Anything positive to contribute, Beavis, er, I mean Beanie?
Ice Torch.
Ice Torch
I see I'm dealing with the Beavis and Butthead of RCC here. Is there
any hope of rescuing the newsgroups from spammers and trolls, and
maybe attracting some adults?
Ice Torch.
oly
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Pick anybody between Edward VI and Charles II - it's difficult to say
when a "tradition" actually consciously starts - by the reigns of
Charles II (second or milled coinage), James II and William and Mary
the tradition of alternating direction portraits on English/ Great
Britain coinage was firmly established.
Don't you have a copy of Spink (Seaby) OH EXALTED PEDAGAGG???
As for adults, I'm sure that Frank will be your pitcher as long as you
agree to be the catcher!!!
oly
oly
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P.S. As you seem to understand Beavis and Butthead, I suppose you are
qualified to be "Cornholio".
oly
Ice Torch
Your obsession with homosexual innuendo tells me a lot about you,
gal. :-)
Ice Torch
Wow, a semi-intelligent answer. Far from being a pedagogue, I know
little about any coins before the First World War, so, no, I've never
bothered getting hold of a Spink or Seaby catalogue. So I'm an exalted
pedagogue, eh? Then I annoint thee: Beanie's catamite.
oly
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I'm afraid that as much as I enjoy Mr. Bean's viewpoint on the world,
we live too far apart to attend the same coin shows, leta alone be
catty.
Now on the other hand, I have been at several coin shows where Frank
has been set up; just not recently.
You don't have a copy of Spink (Seaby)??? Just one more reason to
dismiss you as a 'donk'.
oly
Ice Torch
Which shows your narrow-mindedness, silly gal. The 20th century areas
onwards I already know about - I did use the coins back to Victoria's
bunhead as a child in the 1960s - the older stuff has never interested
me. Since I'm listed as a contributor in editions of SCWC and Gerhard
Schön's Weltmünzkatalog, that hardly makes me a "donk", you wannabe.
oly
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It's nice that you could pencil your name in on those pages; butt I'm
not going to run off and see if "Cornholio" is actually listed there.
oly
Ice Torch
Oh, the wit (NOT!). I'm bored with you hillbillies now...
Beanie
Ice Torch.
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Oh that sophisticated British wit!
Welcome to my kill file, Cornholio.
Ice Torch
> "Ice Torch" <iceto...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:264bdcb1-dfdd-46e2...@l18g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 26, 2:29 pm, "Beanie" <b...@an.ie> wrote:
>
> > "Ice Torch" <iceto...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:9337934d-0690-4491...@k9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > It's taken for granted now that successive monarchs face in opposite
> > > directions on the coins of the UK - apart from Edward VIII, who was
> > > forced to abdicate after insisting on facing the wrong way.
>
> > To say he was "forced to abdicate after insisting on facing the wrong way" is
> > the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
> > Are you a moron, boy?
>
> I'm neither a moron nor a boy, dear girl. T'was meant to be a joke.
> It's often said in England that Americans don't do irony, but I
> disagree. Guess that must make you a wetback...
>
> Anything positive to contribute, Beavis, er, I mean Beanie?
>
> Ice Torch.
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> Oh that sophisticated British wit!
> Welcome to my kill file, Cornholio.
Will be pleased to hear the last of you, Beavis.
oly
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We love hillbillies, we embrace hillbillies, we are hillbillies!!!
HILLBILLY, HILLBILLY, HILLBILLY
And listen, Iced Faggot - when you're paddling your contributor's
canoe down the RCC river -
when you hear the banjos - when you HEAR THE BANJOS----
SQUEAAALLL LIKE A PIGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!
SOOOOOOOO-KIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SQUEEAAALLL ICED FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOOOOKIEEEE!!!!
Hillbilly!!!!!!!!!!!!
CONTRIBUTOR CONTRIBUTOR CONTRIBUTOR EXALTED DONK
oly
Beanie
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Clearly that British twit has no idea of how a kill file works.
Ice Torch
Gee, Oly, you drama queen, you really think to scare me with all those
screaming caps, old gal? Keeping taking the tablets... :-)
Jeff R.
"Beanie" <b...@an.ie> wrote in message news:imlmu3$2en$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
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> Ice Torch.
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> Oh that sophisticated British wit!
> Welcome to my kill file, Cornholio.
Nick?
Is that you?
oly
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Didn't think you probably knew enough about America to understand the
reference to the classic movie "Deliverance".
I was right again.
oly
Ice Torch
No, you were wrong again, dumbass. Course I knew your little reference
to Duelling Banjos and the hillbilly sodomising the fat guy. Hence my
talking about your trying to scare me, you weirdo pussy cat. Get it?
Got it? Good.
oly
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Doubtful that you got it, but you seem to be a quick 'Googler'.
Probably a helpful talent in conjunction with being an "Exalted
Pedagagg".
oly
oly
Ice Torch
Hardly that quick, dumbass. You're not so clever as you think you are,
try as you may to be a pedagogue.
oly
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You're just another phoney baloney, trying to run up some "ego
balloons" to show us how intelligent you are. Not.
Happily, I am an ignorant American hillbilly (who owns about a dozen
editions of Spink, BTW).
IF you are somewhere across the pond, you are awake at a rather late
hour. This must be upsetting you. If so, good.
oly
Ice Torch
No, I find it very amusing. I have no need to show anyone how
intelligent I am. I just enjoy enthusing about coins. Pity you don't.
You were just trying to test me on "Deliverance", and now you're
boasting about the number of editions of Spink you own - got something
to prove, have we? Bit defensive, are we? Also implying that everybody
else ought to do as you do - showing your narrow-mindedness again.
Perhaps you should go to Libya and join Gadaffy Duck?
oly
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The reference to Spink is something along the lines of how can someone
purportedly in England who 'enthuses' coins operate without a copy???
Especially when it's so very common.
It is similar to a U.S. coin collector who doesn't have a Red Book (I
actually don't believe I've ever met one).
More than a bit phoney.
But then you have quite a few Reid-isms and you may just be another
sockpuppet.
oly
Ice Torch
I would be phoney if I pretended to know everything. I've always made
do with SCWC, because my main interests lie in thematic designs, which
really only come into their own after World War 1. Everyone has their
niche - nobody knows everything, and certainly not me. I've recently
been getting into numismatic portraits too. So, I came here to ask a
question about something I wasn't knowledgable about, and didn't have
any references books on. How that amounts to trying to show off my
intelligence, I've yet to figure. Though I've always found it
intelligent to ask if I don't know - to that extent I plead guilty.
But there is no must-have in numismatics - everybody moulds himself
into the type of numismatist he wants to be, by following what
interests him.
Don't know what a Reid-ism is, BTW.
Beanie
>But then you have quite a few Reid-isms and you may just be another sockpuppet.
If it's not Reamo, they at least share the same DNA.
Frank Provasek
> It's taken for granted now that successive monarchs face in opposite
> directions on the coins of the UK - apart from Edward VIII, who was
> assumed that that tradition was/had been universal among European
> monarchies. It was only when looking at portraits of King Peter II of
> Yugoslavia, that I realised he had faced two different ways in 1938.
> Looking at the kings of Romania, I then found the same phenomenon. So
> how and when did this tradition start in England? And did any other
> monarchies (independent Scotland, perhaps) adopt a similar policy?
>
> Ice Torch.
From www.australian-threepence.com
From the time of Charles II (1660) a tradition developed where the
succeeding
monarch's portrait on coins faced in the opposite direction to their
predecessor.
Up until this day there has been a general tradition on Commonwealth
coins
that a representation of the reigning monarch be shown and this
includes Australia.
The portrait must be approved by the King or Queen before being
struck onto
coins. Queen Elizabeth II always faces to the right. She has had a
number of
formal portrait designs through the years still seen on all decimal
currency.
There was a glitch in the tradition of the direction that the royal
portraits faced
after George V. King Edward VIII who succeeded the throne
had coins issued in his name which depicted his portrait facing to the
left. He
thought it was his "best side" and refused to follow the royal
tradition. After just
11 months as King, Edward VIII voluntarily renounced the throne
because of
public disapproval for his wife-to-be Wallis Simpson. Objections were
raised
over her two previous failed marriages and she was labelled as
unsuitable to
be the King's consort. Edward VIII, unwilling to give her up,
abdicated the
throne in December 1936. Because of the short time that he reigned and
the
disagreement over his portrait no coins containing his portrait were
issued.
Some extremely rare pattern coins were struck in anticipation of his
coinage
being released but these never entered circulation. In more recent
times some
fantasy pieces containing his portrait have become available on the
collector market.
George VI followed reigning 1936-1952 facing to the left and Queen
Elizabeth
in 1952 facing to the right. All the coins seen with her majesty Queen
Elizabeth II
depict her portrait profile facing to the right, from a pre-decimal
1964 penny to
your 1966 round 50c to your 2010 Australian Tax Office 20c you got in
change
at the supermarket today.
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Frank Provasek Rare Coins www.frankcoins.com
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/frankcoins Texas Auction License
11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC, ICTA - Full Time Since 1991
Ice Torch
> 11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
> Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC, ICTA - Full Time Since 1991
Thanks, Frank. So it started with Charles II. Despite being English,
I've always been more interested in world coins, so I've never really
looked back any further than the coins I encountered as a child (i.e.
back to the Victoria bunhead - occasionally found in change on pennies
and halfpennies back in the 1960s). Numismatics is a journey though,
so I end up looking at areas I wouldn't have considered before. I've
learnt a lot from books and the internet, but even more from my fellow
numismatists on the forums - you can read till you're blue in the
face, but a book can't read what you've written and challenge your
opinions.
Phil.