GOLD AMERICAN QUESTION
BrianInNY
Mint appears to sell "proof" and "uncirculated" coins which,
typically, sell at a "premium". I wish to invest in the gold content;
"proof" is unimportant to me. Here's my question: How much in so-
called "commission" can I reasonably expect to pay for a 1 oz. Eagle?
In other words, if gold is priced at exactly $1,000, how much would a
typical dealer (or bank) charge for an Eagle? I'm new at investing in
gold, so please my lack of knowledge. Thanks.
Mr. Jaggers
There really is no such thing as the "typical" dealer." Of course, you will
want to acquire the gold at the lowest possible price, but that may not be
available to you in your situation and your location. If you are looking
long-term, and you figure that gold will dramatically increase in value, the
small differences in price right now will become less significant as it
rises.
You are correct that the mint's "premium" is artificial, and to be avoided
if you are just interested in accumulating gold as bullion. I overheard at
a coin show last week that Krugerrands are selling for very little above
spot. They're not very esthetically pleasing, and they're not American, but
they're still gold.
James
note.boy
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There is no such thing as investing in gold but it is possible to speculate
in gold, i.e. gamble, good luck. Billy
Steve
"BrianInNY" <bjn...@aol.com> wrote in message
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This site will give you a fair idea of the current premium for precious
metals.
https://online.kitco.com/bullion/completelist.html
Steve
Frank
>
> There is no such thing as investing in gold but it is possible to speculate
> in gold, i.e. gamble, good luck. Billy
So what do you consider an "investment?" Paper assets that have
fallen 50% to 100% in the past 6 months?
Bruce Remick
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___________
I assume you aren't including CD's and bank accounts. My 6 month CD is
about to pay me 3.85% at the end of the month. Can't say as much for the
bank account (2.4%), but at least both are making money where my IRA balance
is fizzling like most everyone else's.
BlackSpanielGallery
you can try this site for a price
http://www.thesilverxchange.com/american_gold_eagles.asp?PARTNER=blackspanielgallery
Frank
> I assume you aren't including CD's and bank accounts. My 6 month CD is
> about to pay me 3.85% at the end of the month. Can't say as much for the
> bank account (2.4%), but at least both are making money where my IRA balance
> is fizzling like most everyone else's.
Putting money in the bank is not normally considered an "investment"
in the financial-world
sense, because there is not the inherent element of risk which defines
the term.
Certainly it's possible to invest in gold, and it will never be worth
zero.
note.boy
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If you mean "safe investment", if I knew I would be posting from the Bahamas
but I see no palm trees outside my window.. Billy
note.boy
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Never is a long time, diamonds can be made, real ones not fake, how long
will it be until gold can be made?
It may indeed never we worth zero but it could be worth very little. Billy
Bruce Remick
On Feb 21, 9:12 pm, "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
> I assume you aren't including CD's and bank accounts. My 6 month CD is
> about to pay me 3.85% at the end of the month. Can't say as much for the
> bank account (2.4%), but at least both are making money where my IRA
> balance
> is fizzling like most everyone else's.
> Putting money in the bank is not normally considered an "investment"
> in the financial-world
> sense, because there is not the inherent element of risk which defines
> the term.
I understand. But it seems like savings and CD's are some of the only "sure
things" available at the moment. I'm inclined to leave my IRA and Roth
alone for now in hope that markets will rebound before I can see the decal
of Jack and Jill on the bottom of my cereal bowl.
> Certainly it's possible to invest in gold, and it will never be worth
> zero.
I trust the dollar never will be either, but gold does indeed seem like a
comfort food at the moment..
Michael Benveniste
>Never is a long time, diamonds can be made, real ones not fake, how long
>will it be until gold can be made?
It's been commercially feasible to create near-flawless gem quality
rubies and emeralds for quite a while. You'll find them at most mall
jewelry stores. It hasn't had a significant impact on the prices of
mined gems.
As for "making gold," gold is an element. So is carbon. The
difference is that gold has significant value regardless of form,
where as carbon only has significant value in diamond form.
You can manufacture diamonds out of those cheaper forms of carbon. To
manufacture gold requires neutrons in literally massive quantities.
The technology exists to make gold today using a nuclear reactor,
which means it's easier to dig it out of the ground or even extract it
from sea water. But no matter what the source, it's easier and more
profitable to make, say, Pu-239 or U-233 with those neutrons. And it
likely always will be.
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Cogito eggo sum -- I'm thinking toaster waffles for breakfast.
Paul Ciszek
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Most stocks are speculation, too. "Investment" would be buying an
apartment building with the intention of collecting rent, buying a
shitake musroom farm with the intention of operating it at a profit,
building a pharmacuetical factory with the intention of operating it
at a profit, etc. Of course it is also possible to lose money on an
investment, but neither the gains nor the losses are quite as
spectacular. Actual investment seems to play a very small role in
the American economy, since we don't make anything anymore.
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Paul Ciszek
In article <ji03q45f6huubcg51...@4ax.com>,
Michael Benveniste <m...@murkyether.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:23:45 -0000, "note.boy" wrote:
>
>>Never is a long time, diamonds can be made, real ones not fake, how long
>>will it be until gold can be made?
>
>It's been commercially feasible to create near-flawless gem quality
>rubies and emeralds for quite a while. You'll find them at most mall
>jewelry stores. It hasn't had a significant impact on the prices of
>mined gems.
I would have thought that the market for less-than-perfect natural
stones would have dropped to nearly zero, or rather, they would have
become of interest mainly to mineral collectors. DeBeers seems to
be scared spitless of synthetic gem-quality diamonds; they developed
an expensive machine to allegedly tell the difference between natural
and mined diamonds, and have been making it available to jewelers at a
highly subsidized price. I say "allegedly" because I'm pretty sure
that if the manufacturers of diamonds had any interest in doing so,
they could could mimick the properties that the machine measures.
>The technology exists to make gold today using a nuclear reactor,
>which means it's easier to dig it out of the ground or even extract it
>from sea water. But no matter what the source, it's easier and more
>profitable to make, say, Pu-239 or U-233 with those neutrons. And it
>likely always will be.
I think you could bracket the price of gold with the cost of extracting
it from seawater on the high end, and what would constitute the low end?
The price point at which it becomes an attractive replacement for silver
in electronic soldering? Or maybe the price at which it replaces silver
in dental work?
Anyway, I wouldn't rule out some sort of breakthrough in extracting gold
from seawater. Nanotechnology may be 99.9% hype, but progress is made
here and there in designing structures that sort molecules by size and
other properties.
note.boy
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Are you suggesting that there's a bigger chance of the USA having an Afro
American President before it will be possible to manufacture gold? :-)
Fifty years ago the answer would have been resounding yes. Billy
note.boy
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The UK also makes a lot less that it used to, the most powerful countries
will very soon be those that make lots of things.
Talking of cars sales, which we weren't, in January there were more new cars
sold in China than in the USA, this makes China the biggest market in the
world for new car sales relegating the USA to the number two position.
SAAB, owned by GM, is on the verge of going out of business. Billy
Bruce Remick
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I think it was NBC News that broadcast on Friday that GM's Pontiac brand was
being dropped. First I'd heard of that, even reading the latest in-depth
articles about GM's likely future plans. The way things are going, I
wouldn't be surprised if historic American brands like Pontiac, Mercury, and
Buick may no longer be made ten years from now, but nothing is imminent
AFAIK. I am a bit surprised that GM is continuing its plan to reintroduce
the Camaro this year (built in Canada).
mazorj
"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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The Buick nameplate apparently sells well in China, so it
will be around for a while. Go figure.
Bruce Remick
"mazorj" <maz...@erols.com> wrote in message
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Sells relatively well here, too. Assuming GM stays around, there will have
to be some intermediate brand to separate Chevrolet from Cadillac, and Buick
currently would seem more likely to survive than Pontiac. I miss some of
the discontinued brands mostly out of nostalgia, but there are enough
examples still around to feed the tastes of anyone who might want to own or
restore one.
RWF
> Sells relatively well here, too. Assuming GM stays around, there will
> have to be some intermediate brand to separate Chevrolet from
> Cadillac, and Buick currently would seem more likely to survive than
> Pontiac. I miss some of the discontinued brands mostly out of
> nostalgia, but there are enough examples still around to feed the
> tastes of anyone who might want to own or restore one.
Buick will stick around for the time being. If they were gone, what
would old people drive too slow with the blinker on for miles?
Pontiac will be gone except for a few performance models.
Saab will be ditched.
Saturn will either fold or be sold.
GM will have a full line of Chevies, a few Pontiacs, 3 or 4 Buick models
and the current lineup of Caddies.
Chrysler, OTOH, will fold within the year.
Arizona Coin Collector
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>
> Buick will stick around for the time being. If they were gone, what would
> old people drive too slow with the blinker on for miles?
> Pontiac will be gone except for a few performance models.
> Saab will be ditched.
> Saturn will either fold or be sold.
> GM will have a full line of Chevies, a few Pontiacs, 3 or 4 Buick models
> and the current lineup of Caddies.
> Chrysler, OTOH, will fold within the year.
>
RWF
One of General Motors biggest critics is Senator Bob
Corker of Tennessee. He wanted no federal aid to
General Motors. General Motors Saturn production
Is located in Spring Hill, Tennessee.
I would call that poetic justice for General Motors to
Shut down Saturn in Senator Bob Corkers senate
district and lay off a lot more people in his district.
Payback is a bitch!
Mr. Jaggers
So, let me get this straight - in your view, laying off a lot of people is
poetic justice against...some Senator?
James
Bruce Remick
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> news:%imol.33482$6r1....@newsfe19.iad...
>> Sells relatively well here, too. Assuming GM stays around, there will
>> have to be some intermediate brand to separate Chevrolet from Cadillac,
>> and Buick currently would seem more likely to survive than Pontiac. I
>> miss some of the discontinued brands mostly out of nostalgia, but there
>> are enough examples still around to feed the tastes of anyone who might
>> want to own or restore one.
>
> Buick will stick around for the time being. If they were gone, what would
> old people drive too slow with the blinker on for miles?
Most of the ones I see driving like that seem to be driving sporty new
Cadillac models. Ah, for the days when doctors drove Buicks.
> Pontiac will be gone except for a few performance models.
I would expect it's all or nothing. Like Plymouth. Interesting that
Pontiac isn't bringing back the Firebird as companion to the Camaro.
> Saab will be ditched.
And few will ever realize it.
> Saturn will either fold or be sold.
Too bad they can't catch on somewhere.
> GM will have a full line of Chevies, a few Pontiacs, 3 or 4 Buick models
Chevy HAS to reduce its line of models.
> and the current lineup of Caddies.
They seem to be selling pretty well.
> Chrysler, OTOH, will fold within the year.
What about Lincoln & Mercury? Jeep? Hummer? Harley Davidson?
Michael Benveniste
<note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>Are you suggesting that there's a bigger chance of the USA having an Afro
>American President before it will be possible to manufacture gold? :-)
>Fifty years ago the answer would have been resounding yes. Billy
I'm not sure I understand your logic, your analogy, or your
conclusion. It's possible to manufacture gold today. It was even
possible 50 years ago. It's just not economical to do so.
The "resounding yes" for the premise that it would be possible to
manufacture gold before the USA had an African-American president is
correct.
If you wish to drift over to www.longbets.org and set a timeframe and
odds for economical transmutation of gold, my heirs will be happy to
take your money.
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A-U! Get off of my cloud.
Arizona Coin Collector
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
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It is not only my view, but the view of
General Motors management and the UAW.
Be careful what you ask for, for you
may get it. Senator Bob Corker has the
job losses in his own district from his
lack of support for General Motors.
Saturn production plant is located in Spring
Hill, Tennessee. (His Senate District).
.
PC
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>
>>>
>>> One of General Motors biggest critics is Senator Bob
>>> Corker of Tennessee. He wanted no federal aid to
>>> General Motors. General Motors Saturn production
>>> Is located in Spring Hill, Tennessee.
>>>
>>> I would call that poetic justice for General Motors to
>>> Shut down Saturn in Senator Bob Corkers senate
>>> district and lay off a lot more people in his district.
>>>
>>> Payback is a bitch!
>>
>> So, let me get this straight - in your view, laying off a lot of people
>> is poetic justice against...some Senator?
>>
>> James
>>
>
> It is not only my view, but the view of
> General Motors management and the UAW.
>
> Be careful what you ask for, for you
> may get it. Senator Bob Corker has the
> job losses in his own district from his
> lack of support for General Motors.
>
> Saturn production plant is located in Spring
> Hill, Tennessee. (His Senate District).
>
I think what Mr. Jaggers is missing is the next logical step - those people
layed off will not be happy and may take it out on the Senator by voting
against him. Too bad people have to suffer for him to get his.
Michael Benveniste
Ciszek) wrote:
>I would have thought that the market for less-than-perfect natural
>stones would have dropped to nearly zero, or rather, they would have
>become of interest mainly to mineral collectors.
It's easy enough to test your theory at most jewelry stores, or even
on eBay.
It hasn't happened for the same reason most of us would prefer a worn
original coin to a uncirculated reproduction.
>I say "allegedly" because I'm pretty sure
>that if the manufacturers of diamonds had any interest in doing so,
>they could could mimick the properties that the machine measures.
Until recently, it was fairly easy to spot a created emerald by the
total lack of inclusions, but apparently some created stones now
include artificial imperfections.
The technological war between the people who create forgeries and
those who attempt to detect them has been going on for literally
thousands of years with no end in sight. (Remember Archimedes?) The
forgers win more often than most people realize.
>Anyway, I wouldn't rule out some sort of breakthrough in extracting gold
>from seawater. Nanotechnology may be 99.9% hype, but progress is made
>here and there in designing structures that sort molecules by size and
>other properties.
I don't see it happening any time soon, but why not? Here's a story
from earlier this year about extracting gold from sewage:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2009-02/01/content_7434450.htm
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RWF
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US Senators don't have "districts", numbnuts. They are elected by the
entire population of their state.
Paul Ciszek
In article <%imol.33482$6r1....@newsfe19.iad>,
Bruce Remick <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>"mazorj" <maz...@erols.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> for a while. Go figure.
>>
>
>Sells relatively well here, too. Assuming GM stays around, there will have
>to be some intermediate brand to separate Chevrolet from Cadillac, and Buick
Does there have to be? What's wrong with a carmaker having only one or
two brands and using model names to distinguish finer grades of snob
factor? Honda does OK with just Honda and Acura.
Paul Ciszek
In article <X7idnagVEtDbjz_U...@earthlink.com>,
Arizona Coin Collector <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>Be careful what you ask for, for you
>may get it. Senator Bob Corker has the
>job losses in his own district from his
>lack of support for General Motors.
>
>Saturn production plant is located in Spring
>Hill, Tennessee. (His Senate District).
As others have pointed out, he is supposed to represent the whole state.
Tennessee also contains Nissan North America, which is not seeking a
government bailout. Maybe he figures that we need to bite the bullet
and amputate the gangrenous leg so that the rest of the body can live.
Paul Ciszek
In article <TJnol.42252$2h5....@newsfe11.iad>,
Hummer has been marked for death since before the crash. Even cheap
gas couldn't quite save it.
note.boy
The man made diamonds are not forgeries or reproductions, they are real
diamonds, they sell for 75% of the price of mined diamonds.
Watch for them on "How It's Made". Billy
note.boy
How can gold be manufactured? Don't tell me from lead. Billy
note.boy
Hummer will die, Jeep will survive, don't know about the others. Billy
note.boy
Trying to have a vehicle to suit all types of possible buyer seems to have
been a mistake made by car makers in the US.
Very expensive to have a very large range of makes and models, just think of
all those spare parts that have to be stored.
Toyota make the world's most boring cars but up until recently they have
been the most profitable car maker. Billy
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How can you tell that Toyota is a great automaker??? Because all the
other Japanese companies and some American companies copy Toyota's
products extensively and in close detail. Imitation is the sincerest
form of flattery. oly
mazorj
>
> In article <TJnol.42252$2h5....@newsfe11.iad>,
> Bruce Remick <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>What about Lincoln & Mercury? Jeep? Hummer? Harley Davidson?
>
> Hummer has been marked for death since before the crash. Even cheap
> gas couldn't quite save it.
Good riddance, because they aren't real Humvees, just pretenders
mocked up using standard truck bodies to appeal to snobs. The only
time they go "off road" here is when soccer moms have to park them on
the grass at soccer games. Given what's happened to the "upscale"
target market and the fact that the Hummer nameplate was just a
gimmick, it's not surprising that the Hummer line would be one of the
first to be shoved over the side from the industry's burning decks.
If I'm going to have a gas-guzzling Humvee, I want the real thing.
With a .50 cal. Browning M-2 ring turret on top to deter car-jackers
and clear traffic jams ahead of me. Someone in my 'hood had one
(minus the MG accessorization). It even had the required DOT safety
enhancements for road use. There's no mistaking the real thing. You
could see heads swiveling all the way as it drove by. Unfortunately,
they stopped selling them when they introduced the fakes. Jeep did
pretty much the same thing when they realized that there was a market
for civilian imitations bearing the same nameplate of the WW2
workhorse.
Maybe after we extricate ourselves from the Iraq quagmire, the
military will surplus the worn-out Hummers so we can buy one, like the
elusive $50 post-WW2 Jeeps and Indian motorcycles that existed only in
pulp magazine ads. :-)
mazorj
Yep, lead. You just whack it with enough energy. Unfortunately, the
cost far exceeds the value of the gold. And it's actually easier to
turn gold into lead.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_transmutation
Bruce Remick
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>
From straw, silly. Don't you follow history?
Rumplestiltskin
Bruce Remick
"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Or the real surplus WW I & II Webley revolvers and Enfield rifles advertised
for $9.95 in most magazines that appealed to boys. Every kid needed one, or
both. No FFL required. Great for playing war or cowboy games in the woods.
Bruce Remick
>
> In article <%imol.33482$6r1....@newsfe19.iad>,
> Bruce Remick <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>"mazorj" <maz...@erols.com> wrote in message
>>news:Mqjol.1029$Ez6...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>
>>> The Buick nameplate apparently sells well in China, so it will be around
>>> for a while. Go figure.
>>>
>>
>>Sells relatively well here, too. Assuming GM stays around, there will
>>have
>>to be some intermediate brand to separate Chevrolet from Cadillac, and
>>Buick
>
> Does there have to be? What's wrong with a carmaker having only one or
> two brands and using model names to distinguish finer grades of snob
> factor? Honda does OK with just Honda and Acura.
Tradition, my son.
Bruce Remick
>
> "Paul Ciszek" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> In article <%imol.33482$6r1....@newsfe19.iad>,
>> Bruce Remick <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>"mazorj" <maz...@erols.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> The Buick nameplate apparently sells well in China, so it will be
>>>> around
>>>> for a while. Go figure.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sells relatively well here, too. Assuming GM stays around, there will
>>>have
>>>to be some intermediate brand to separate Chevrolet from Cadillac, and
>>>Buick
>>
>> Does there have to be? What's wrong with a carmaker having only one or
>> two brands and using model names to distinguish finer grades of snob
>> factor? Honda does OK with just Honda and Acura.
>>
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>
>
> Trying to have a vehicle to suit all types of possible buyer seems to have
> been a mistake made by car makers in the US.
Granted, the major brands do have too many competing models within the
marque.
>
> Very expensive to have a very large range of makes and models, just think
> of all those spare parts that have to be stored.
But then most mechanical parts are pretty much interchangeable among them.
The odd thing is that many parts are discontinued about the time the
original is due to break. Like that elusive oven knob that snaps its shaft
after fifteen years.
>
> Toyota make the world's most boring cars but up until recently they have
> been the most profitable car maker. Billy
Maybe they followed VW's lead.
mazorj
Yup. For some reason, my parents nixed those for me.
Bruce Remick
Mine, too. Even the Red Ryder BB gun was off limits. But we did improvise
with dad's war souvenirs and cap pistols.
mazorj
>
> "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> "Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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...
>>>> Maybe after we extricate ourselves from the Iraq quagmire, the
>>>> military will surplus the worn-out Hummers so we can buy one,
>>>> like the elusive $50 post-WW2 Jeeps and Indian motorcycles that
>>>> existed only in pulp magazine ads. :-)
>>>
>>> Or the real surplus WW I & II Webley revolvers and Enfield rifles
>>> advertised for $9.95 in most magazines that appealed to boys.
>>> Every kid needed one, or both. No FFL required. Great for
>>> playing war or cowboy games in the woods.
>>
>> Yup. For some reason, my parents nixed those for me.
>
> Mine, too. Even the Red Ryder BB gun was off limits.
You'll shoot your eye out!
Eventually I was allowed to order a nicely made pellet rifle, $9.95,
made in Czechoslovakia.
> But we did improvise with dad's war souvenirs and cap pistols.
I've still got my cap pistol. I wonder what it would fetch today (not
that I'd ever sell it or my Hopalong Cassidy watch).
Bruce Remick
I check on eBay every so often. The one kids wanted most but couldn't
afford was the Stallion .45 that used actual "bullets" that you could take
apart and load with a cap. Taught one to be frugal with our shots. There
are lessons to be learned everywhere. My favorite was a revolver that used
6-shot disc caps. I forget the brand but I've never seen one on eBay. If I
did I would be tempted to buy it, if only for protection against any burglar
armed with a Stallion .45.
mazorj
I had one! It went for $5, which at the time was quite expensive for
a cap gun. As soon as the kid next door got one, I just had to have
one, too. At $5, you would have thought that I had asked for my own
car or motor boat, but I bugged my mother relentlessly until she took
me to the one shop in the area that had them. Too bad it disappeared
somewhere along the line.
> Taught one to be frugal with our shots. There are lessons to be
> learned everywhere. My favorite was a revolver that used 6-shot
> disc caps. I forget the brand but I've never seen one on eBay. If
> I did I would be tempted to buy it, if only for protection against
> any burglar armed with a Stallion .45.
Remember Greenie Stick-um Caps? You could use them on the Stallion.
They were pretty expensive compared to rolled caps so we had to ration
our use of them until we discovered that you could tear off rolled
caps and insert them in the shell.
Paul Ciszek
In article <22vol.10316$Ii4....@newsfe19.ams2>,
note.boy <note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>Toyota make the world's most boring cars but up until recently they have
>been the most profitable car maker. Billy
Aren't they still the least unprofitable car maker?
Bruce Remick
I remember them. But I never had a gun that could use them. That left the
6-shot discs as the authentic ammunition of choice. I never found a cap gun
that used roll caps to be much fun. Maybe it was that curly strip of paper
discharge that just didn't look right. It was more exciting to take a full
roll of caps and smash it with a rock. Talk about NOISE!
Funny, as opposed as parents were to those BB guns, they usually had no
problem with homemade sling shots, bows and arrows, spears, etc. Even pea
shooters could shoot your eye out I suppose. And it seemed that every kid
owned a hunting knife in a sheath that they often wore when pretending to be
Indians or whatever. More kids got hurt playing sports than they ever did
with their assortment of lethal weapons. I can't remember the last time I
saw a young kid in the neighborhood wearing a western gun and holster.
Totally different times...................
Paul Ciszek
In article <%Qwol.1159$Ez6...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
mazorj <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>Yep, lead. You just whack it with enough energy. Unfortunately, the
>cost far exceeds the value of the gold. And it's actually easier to
>turn gold into lead.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_transmutation
If you want to create gold, start with platinum. Or mercury 197 will
decay into gold via electron capture, but I don't know how you would
produce mercury 197 in the first place.
Gold is really a poor choice for production through transmutation; it
has only one stable isotope.
mazorj
...
>> Remember Greenie Stick-um Caps? You could use them on the
>> Stallion. They were pretty expensive compared to rolled caps so we
>> had to ration our use of them until we discovered that you could
>> tear off rolled caps and insert them in the shell.
>
> I remember them. But I never had a gun that could use them. That
> left the 6-shot discs as the authentic ammunition of choice. I
> never found a cap gun that used roll caps to be much fun. Maybe it
> was that curly strip of paper discharge that just didn't look right.
> It was more exciting to take a full roll of caps and smash it with a
> rock. Talk about NOISE!
Yup on both counts. It was definitely uncool to have to keep tearing
off the paper strips.
> Funny, as opposed as parents were to those BB guns, they usually had
> no problem with homemade sling shots, bows and arrows, spears, etc.
> Even pea shooters could shoot your eye out I suppose.
When I was 8 or 9, my younger brother shot an arrow at me that hit
about two inches below my eye. And it wasn't one of the wimpy rubber
suction tips, either. Full metal jacket tip, like a sharpened pencil.
It happened when we all, including my parents, were in the living room
getting ready to go to church. We weren't fooling around or anything,
he just hauled off and let one fly at me. The round indentation scar
on my cheek was visible for years after.
> And it seemed that every kid owned a hunting knife in a sheath that
> they often wore when pretending to be Indians or whatever. More
> kids got hurt playing sports than they ever did with their
> assortment of lethal weapons. I can't remember the last time I saw
> a young kid in the neighborhood wearing a western gun and holster.
> Totally different times...................
Totally different, indeed. At about 13, a kid down the street and I
would take his .22 rifle to a nearby gravel pit and kill tin cans.
Today, we'd be in juvenile detention and our parents would be doing
time for allowing us to be such dangerous threats to the community.
And nowadays, brandishing even a non-functioning replica pistol can
get you shot by a nervous cop regardless of your age.
Besides, why play hokey cops 'n robbers games with your friends when
you can play a first-person shooter video game like Grand Theft Auto,
complete with profanity, blood spatters, and bragging rights to your
personal high score?
mazorj
>
> In article <%Qwol.1159$Ez6...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
> mazorj <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>Yep, lead. You just whack it with enough energy. Unfortunately,
>>the
>>cost far exceeds the value of the gold. And it's actually easier to
>>turn gold into lead.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_transmutation
>
> If you want to create gold, start with platinum. Or mercury 197
> will
> decay into gold via electron capture, but I don't know how you would
> produce mercury 197 in the first place.
Right, but lead has the cachet of the centuries-old alchemists' quest.
> Gold is really a poor choice for production through transmutation;
> it
> has only one stable isotope.
>
> --
> "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from
> malice."
Nice play off of Arthur C. Clark's observation about technology!
Bruce Remick
We did the same thing. I had several .22 rifles that I we could carry down
the street toward the woods and fire away at targets at the base of a
hillside. I cringe when I recall my friend toting a nice clean Confederate
Whitney .36 revolver that was handed down in his family out to the woods
where we would take turns loading and firing it until one of main spring
broke. That thing, in its condition before we finished playing with it,
would bring a pretty penny from a collector today. What did we know. That
was back in a time when everyone also heard that Confederate money was
"worthless".
Today, instead of fun weapons, kids walk down the street with Ipods. You
could ruin your HEARING!!
Coffee's For Closers
<lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> says...
> BrianInNY wrote:
> > I'm interested in purchasing 1 oz. gold American Eagles. The U.S.
> > Mint appears to sell "proof" and "uncirculated" coins which,
> > typically, sell at a "premium". I wish to invest in the gold content;
> > "proof" is unimportant to me. Here's my question: How much in so-
> > called "commission" can I reasonably expect to pay for a 1 oz. Eagle?
> > In other words, if gold is priced at exactly $1,000, how much would a
> > typical dealer (or bank) charge for an Eagle? I'm new at investing in
> > gold, so please my lack of knowledge. Thanks.
> There really is no such thing as the "typical" dealer." Of course, you will
> want to acquire the gold at the lowest possible price, but that may not be
> available to you in your situation and your location. If you are looking
> long-term, and you figure that gold will dramatically increase in value, the
> small differences in price right now will become less significant as it
> rises.
>
> You are correct that the mint's "premium" is artificial, and to be avoided
> if you are just interested in accumulating gold as bullion. I overheard at
> a coin show last week that Krugerrands are selling for very little above
> spot. They're not very esthetically pleasing, and they're not American, but
> they're still gold.
I vaguely recall hearing about some people getting a bad attitude
towards Krugerrands in the 1980s, when Aparthied was still going
on.
If a person were going to really over-alalyse things, they might
consider which bullion-producing countries are more/less likely
to offend anyone politically.
I would expect that Maple Leafs carry the lowest risk on that
issue.
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note.boy
I wonder if any gold was produced at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Billy
note.boy
I still have my Lugar cap pistol in a very fetching shade of silver with a
red grip, 1950's or 60's. Billy
note.boy
I drove a VW Beetle about 35 years ago and it was horrible, how they managed
to sell 20 million of them I'll never know.
The VW Golf is held in high regard in the UK and it's seen as classless, I
have driven one and it's a lovely drive. Billy
Bruce Remick
We bought a new 1969 Beetle, one of those with the "semiautomatic"
transmission that Consumer Reports claimed made it a lemon. After many
miles, the transmission was about the only thing that had been trouble-free.
But with Toyota, it wasn't so much that they were boring. People began to
notice the cobwebs over the doors at Toyota dealer service departments and
decided there must be something to that "boring" car.
som...@some.domain
i still have trouble believing the whole singing cowboy thing lasted as long
as it did. or crumbled as fast. took rockets and spacemen about 15 minutes to
take over.
too bad sky king didn't go nuclear.
Michael Benveniste
<note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>The man made diamonds are not forgeries or reproductions, they are real
>diamonds, they sell for 75% of the price of mined diamonds.
Agreed, so long as they aren't misrepresented as a mined product. I
expect that price will come down considerably in the next 10 years.
--
Mike Benveniste -- m...@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
Diamonds aren't forever. Paying for them is.
Michael Benveniste
Ciszek) wrote:
>If you want to create gold, start with platinum. Or mercury 197 will
>decay into gold via electron capture, but I don't know how you would
>produce mercury 197 in the first place.
There have been at least two celebrated cases of "20th century
alchemists" who claimed to have made gold from mercury using
non-nuclear methods. Both were refuted.
--
Mike Benveniste -- m...@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
PC
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:28:01 -0000, "note.boy"
> <note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>>The man made diamonds are not forgeries or reproductions, they are real
>>diamonds, they sell for 75% of the price of mined diamonds.
>
> Agreed, so long as they aren't misrepresented as a mined product. I
> expect that price will come down considerably in the next 10 years.
>
Why would someone care? They are both diamonds. One was found in some
dirt. Whoopie.
note.boy
"PC" <P...@Minneapolis.mn.us> wrote in message
news:gnvqf1$n23$1...@news.motzarella.org...
If you get a visit from a black helicopter soon it will have De Beers on the
side. Billy
note.boy
A very good point as Toyota do have a very high reputation for reliability,
as do Skoda, yes really, no doubt VW ownership has something to do with it.
Skoda is now the brand of choice for UK taxi drivers. Billy
RWF
> I drove a VW Beetle about 35 years ago and it was horrible, how they
> managed to sell 20 million of them I'll never know.
I had several Beetles and a Karman Ghia and I loved them.
They were fun to drive, easy to service and provided miles of
trouble-free service.
The only downside was the atrocious heating system.
Bruce Remick
I'm still waiting for my windfall from that DeBeers lawsuit. They may not
be able to afford a helicopter after that.
https://diamondsclassaction.com/
Michael Benveniste
> Why would someone care? They are both diamonds. One was found in
> some dirt. Whoopie.
Why would someone care? They are both Brasher Dubloons. One was
made in China last month. Whoopie.
Same logic.
--
Michael Benveniste -- m...@murkyether.com (Clarification required)
Nid wif yn y swyddfa ar hyn o bryd. Anfonwch ar unrhyw waith i'w
gyfieithu.
Michael Benveniste
> I wonder if any gold was produced at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Billy
Not in any sort of measurable amounts. The bombs did produce
a few grams of silver, however.
--
Michael Benveniste -- m...@murkyether.com (Clarification required)
Legalize Updoc.
PC
> "PC" <P...@Minneapolis.mn.us> wrote:
>
>> Why would someone care? They are both diamonds. One was found in
>> some dirt. Whoopie.
>
> Why would someone care? They are both Brasher Dubloons. One was
> made in China last month. Whoopie.
>
> Same logic.
>
No, not at all actually. Nice try though.