Re: More bannings on the PCGS forum
Steve Spradlin
allow you to complain about PCGS (which IMO folks should be able to do
within reason since there are plenty of PCGS Defenders which post over
there myself included) but the fact that the PCGS Executives
"participate" in the forums thereby opening themselves up to DIRECT
criticism. Additionally, having the President of PCGS actually
MODERATE the forums is a huge mistake since its his primary duty to
protect PCGS. Their forums should be moderated but by actual
moderators not Company President. The current situation with
unqualified business executives handling things with arbitrary and
vindictive excommunications is a disgrace to the numismatic community
and is intolerable.
Nick Knight
at 12:48 AM, Delta <de...@pcgs.com> said:
>A few mentioned the NGC Chat rooms across the street as having a more
>congenial atmosphere although with a lower volume of messages.
Well, there you go. You have options.
Does anyone else find all of this PCGS talk ironic? I don't participate on
the PCGS system, I have no interest. But we get all sorts of complaints, at
least recently, "here", about this private discussion area (I'm pretty sure
you have to register, which is how they can "ban" you).
Knock knock! Why don't you invite all of those being banned to come here
and participate? Nobody can ban anyone here, which does create issues of
other kinds. But that's what killfiles are for, and I'd be glad to help
make suggestions to anyone new coming form PCGS's forums as to how to get
these started. Although, realistically, it wouldn't take but a week or 2 to
identify and killfile the foul and moronic all on there own. Probably best
that way, anyway.
What? We're good enough to host complaints about some other discussion
forum, but not the right place to host those very discussions? Seems funny
to me, and makes me care even less about the PCGS discussion forums. If
that's even possible.
I'll note that I found no evidence of "delta" posting here previously.
Others have been pretty active.
Nick
Reid Goldsborough
> But that's what killfiles are for, and I'd be glad to help
Plunk!
Sorry. Couldn't resist. <g> Besides, I think it's physically impossible
to killfile a killfiler. Or not.
It's funny ... to me ... that I don't killfile on Usenet yet make
liberal use of Facebook's hide tool that does the same thing, in my case
preventing me from having to see the often agonizingly chatty,
inconsequential posts of Facebook friends who are often friends in real
life or relatives but who feel everyone is interested in reading about
what they just ate for a snack. Using Facebook like Twitter and in the
most trivial way.
Similarly, a lot of people on unmoderated newgroups including this one
think it's perfectly OK to debate politics or talk about current events
and other matters totally unrelated to the purpose of the group.
I think a lot of it has to do with what people regard as their online
home, which makes them feel it's OK there to talk about whatever they're
thinking about.
I personally find the talk here about PCGS's message boards interesting,
they way they're managed and the involvement of the company president.
I've posted there only sporadically. Much of the discussion seems to be
I bought this coin, Wow, it's great, thanks for sharing. Too little
critical analysis for my tastes and the polar opposite of the
flame-infused talk here.
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Jerry Dennis
wrote, in part:
<snipped as unrelated to my reply>
> Similarly, a lot of people on unmoderated newgroups including this
> one think it's perfectly OK to debate politics or talk about current
> events and other matters totally unrelated to the purpose of the group.
I don't necessarily think it's okay to open a new thread about
anything unrelated to coin collecting, but if it logically drifts off-
topic, most of the time I have no problem with it. Back in the day,
when we were hundreds of regulars, we'd discussion practically
everything. This showed that we, as collectors, had varied interests
and could discuss them intelligently. Yes, the trolls ruined it, but
even now, I enjoy a good, off-topic debate occasionally.
Jerry
Frank Provasek
wrote:
>
> I personally find the talk here about PCGS's message boards interesting,
> they way they're managed and the involvement of the company president.
> I've posted there only sporadically. Much of the discussion seems to be
> I bought this coin, Wow, it's great, thanks for sharing. Too little
> critical analysis for my tastes and the polar opposite of the
> flame-infused talk here.
>
can
be accessed through Google groups, and is unmoderated.
A few have shown up here, but mostly to complain about PCGS
censorship,
Despite the trolls and Usenet companies like Altopia that base their
business
on selling access to them, this is the only place that you can truly
have your say
without getting in trouble with a corporate agenda or the ego of a
moderator.
A. Nony Moose
"YaHa" <yah...@msn.com> wrote in message news:iqf84g$soe$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
> Jerry Dennis <JDen...@aol.com> wrote in news:04919d4f-5957-4435-bd8e-
> fdc2f1...@x10g2000vbn.googlegroups.com:
> I was banned for Pcgs Member "Bochiman" calling me a rascist for me
> Calling incompetant Mint Director Moy 'Boc Choy'
>
> I was told Ron "Bochiman" went to West Point.. Go figure.. I know next
> summer when my son enlists in the Air Force as a Military Police, his
> Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers teachings before they past away and
> his training today in JROTC by a slew of different Army instructors, my
> son will never view a man's worth on text or looks or someones word,
> there is a process that must be followed.
>
> I hope one day a General or Major of this thread PCGS so desires to keep
> in their archives, reads this and puts this guy "Bochiman" in his
> place.. It is a huge smack in the face to every other Military person
> that live's with respect and honor. Not in this case though.. Pcgs
> banned me for his doings. Geesh!!!!
>
Bremick
"A. Nony Moose" <a...@nony.moose> wrote in message
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Banned from the PCGS forum? Nothing left to live for. Maybe you could
move, legally change your name, and sneak back in.
NotSure
has it 'moles' are looking to other forums for members badmouthing things
over there, badmouthing 'certain people', disagreeing with them. At least
one person was banned for something said on the NGC forum. Any CAC thread is
automatically poofed...can't badmouth product.....I can say, one of those
'certain people' is a member that was recently re-instated, after a rather
lengthy ban. Now, he's the 'New Sheriff in Town', thinks he's the do-all and
end-all (granted, he IS a very knowledgable person), thinks his excrement
smells like roses, and if you vehemently disagree with him or flat out diss
him publicly, he runs to the powers-that-be, and odds are you won't be able
to log on. Seems they just want 'Hitler Youth' being members there.
Understandably, it IS their site, and they DO/CAN make the rules they want.
Just seems they only want Stepford Wives posting.
Norm
she should think first. I suppose it's her ego that won't allow that. Laura
is her
own worst enemy and a complete narcissist.
You can't spend your time bad mouthing PCGS and go on and on and continue
creating fights with other posters and expect to be allowed to continue. It
is,
after all, a board hosted and paid for by PCGS. You go into somebody's
home, you are expected to act civil and not continually insult your host.
I've bought coins from her years ago and after she had my money she was
were back to her rude and arrogant self.
It is possible to be an expert in your field and still be a nice human
being.
She has the first part down but is a long way from the latter.
I've been a regular poster for 10+ years on the PCGS forums and I remember
her
vile insults towards anyone who wasn't at her level. She has nothing but
contempt
for the average collector and only cares about high dollar items and buyers
of same.
As for the rest of the crybabies on here, coming to RCC to complaim is just
juvenile. The majority of the complaints about the PCGS board simply
aren't
true and the few that are are symptomatic of the internet in general.
Gary
> The rules from Don Willis, President PCGS. I think is is not good use of
> the stockholders money to have the company president moderating the message
> board. It's one thing to get banned from by some board moderator, but many
> hard feelings when the president of the company personally bans customers
> that bring in money to the company.
>
> Rule 1) This is not a public forum. This is a PCGS forum paid for by PCGS
> and provided for PCGS customers to exchange information regarding collecting
> US coins. We make the rules this is not a democracy.
>
> Rule 2) Anyone posting crude or vulgar pictures or language will no longer
> be allowed to post. No more warnings.
>
> Rule 3) Anyone attacking another poster or making disparaging personal
> remarks will no longer be allowed to post. No more warnings.
>
> Rule 4) Anyone making libelous remarks concerning any individual, any
> company, or any other entity will no longer be allowed to post. No more
> warnings.
>
> Rule 5) If you have nothing to contribute to an OP then do not post. Snide
> remarks and other negative comments will result in your losing your ability
> to post. No more warnings.
>
> Rule 6) This forum is about US Coins. If your post is not directly related
> to US Coins then this is the wrong forum. Do not post it or your posting
> privileges may be removed.
>
> Rule 7) This is a PCGS forum. Posts promoting or bashing other grading
> companies or service are not allowed. Those posts will be removed and your
> posting privileges may be removed as well.
>
> Rule 8) This forum is provided for the education and sharing of information.
> Not as a personal soapbox. If you want to learn and share information about
> US Coins you are welcome.
>
> Rule 9) If you don't like any of the rules outlined above see Rule 1.
Thats a lot more heavy handed than David Hall's previous rules, which
were reasonable
From 2006
We just had a one hour management meeting in which we discussed
whether to continue to have a PCGS message board. We have had a lot of
complaints from our collectors and dealers, both of whom buy and sell
PCGS graded coins, about allowing PCGS bashing on our boards. And we
also don't like the bashing...especially since it is often anonymous,
meanspirited, and just flat out lies. Our choices were to close the
boards down...or to moderate the boards more tightly.
Several of us, including yours truly, were in favor of just shutting
down the boards. They are a cost of money and time to maintain and
frankly, they don't seem to generate any significant revenue. On the
other hand, we see our job as helping collectors and dealers with coin
grading (PCGS), transaction opportunities (CCE Collectors Corner), and
essential information (PCGS price guide and Pop Report.) The message
boards, when they are dedicated to sharing information about coins and
the coin market, are a source of useful information for our community
of PCGS collectors and PCGS dealers.
So for now, we have decided to leave the message boards up...with a
few changes...
First...three rules...
1. The PCGS message board is for talking about and sharing information
about coins, including info about the market and collecting and
collectors. If you want to talk about sports, politics, or other non-
numismatic topics, please go somewhere else.
2. No profanity...there are young numismatists that are on our boards.
If you can't watch your language, you will be banned from the boards.
3. No PCGS bashing of any kind. If you want to rag on us, go somewhere
else. If you have a customer service problem, call customer service.
If you have a suggestion, email PCGS President Ron Guth. Any threads
that bash PCGS in any way will be deleted and anyone who bashes PCGS
will be banned from furhter use of our message boards...and no warning
will be given.
Second...were looking for moderators to help us keep this message
board open. We are asking our board members to nominate people they
feel they would trust to do a good job as a PCGS message board
moderator. Please PM Carol J if you have any nominations.
We hope we can continue to provide the PCGS message boards as a place
for collectors and dealers to meet and exchange useful numismatic
information...but frankly...it's up to you.
David Hall
Norm
a terminal illness with only a few
weeks to live. He recently contacted with Jeremy Katz to liquidate his
collection.. It seems that during the last
few days before he was banned, he had increased his posting activity,
possibly afraid his failing health might
prevent him from reaching the 40,000 post milestone.
Banning him at this time was like sticking a knife in his back, a spiteful
reprehensible betrayal, a blight on PCGS
and a blight on numismatics. There have been many atrocious and undeserved
bannings by PCGS, and this is
one of the very worst. It's downright disgusting.
I took a look on the PCGS forum and noted someone had started a poll to see
how many members felt Bear should
be allowed back and shortly afterwards, the poll was deleted by Don Willis.
PCGS is truly a reprehensible company.
Just for the record, I never had contact of any kind with Bear, don't know
his real name, and wasn't in agreement
with some of his opinions. But he is a totally decent person who tried to
boost numismatics, and he deserved
genuine appreciation. His subtitle was Wise Old Bear.
Nick Knight
at 04:49 PM, Gmarguili <gr...@frozengold.com> said:
>He makes a ton of posts and a vast majority of them are not really coin
>related
We have several of him here! They just go by different names. Sometimes
shorter.
Nick
som...@some.domain
>"Ankur Jaiswal" <Anku...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:irlvq0$pl5$1...@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> Many of you who visit the PCGS forum may know Bear to be a very
>> knowledgable person with very informative posts. Apparently he was
>> banned. Not sure if it is temporary or not. But its getting sickening
>> the number of valuable members that are no longer allowed to post
>> there. Due to this, I know many people who no longer bother visiting
>> that board.
>>
>> So I was wondering if anyone knows if Bear posts here or on any other
>> coin forums.
>>
>>
>Trying to put this nicely.....
>
>Bear is an old man who only posts on PCGS. A PCGS Kool-Aid guzzler. He
>has been there for maybe 10 years. He likes to talk about jelly donuts
>to the point where you want to jump thru the screen and snap his neck.
>
>He honestly lacks a lot of knowledge about coins, but thinks otherwise
>and has foolded a lot of posters based on his vast number of posts. This
>is to his detriment. He spends decent amounts of money on coins based on
>what he is told by dealers and not what he knows. At least he did. I
>think someone said he sold his collection.
>
>I know of at least two dealers who are well regarded that took advantage
>of him several years ago, but he failed to realize it due to his lack of
>knowledge. I don't know if he still does business with them, but their
>names would shock you. One laughed to his partner about ripping him on a
>sale right in front of me (not knowing who I was or that I know who Bear
>was).
>
>He seems to be a love him or hate him guy on the forums. If you want to
>know how many jelly donuts it would cost to buy a proof silver eagle,
>he's your type. If you want to know facts about an 1801 $10, he's not
>your type.
good type for disinfromation war. too stupid to know he's being used so be
get sucked in by the sincerity.
a real goebbels goofball.
Norm
"Filpper" <coinf...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> It's about time PCGS cleaned up their coin message board.
>
> I see Condor101, Mark Feld, and many others got banned from posting on the
> PCGS message boards. About time. Wish they would get rid of Russ (total
> AH) and Tradedollar nut who shills for Legend Coins. I got banned for
> standing up to some of the ones that are now banned. Hey, I thought it was
> suppose to be about coins all along but a few years ago it was about who
> was in control. Coins were just a pretense for vulgar talk and posting
> rascist photos of the president.
>
> Good going Willis. It took a few years but you will eventually see more
> serious numismatic discussions taking place and perhaps you will be able
> to draw back some of the true numismatic luminaries.
>
PCGS has banned Roger W Burdette of the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee.
Like many collectors, Roger W. Burdette began the hobby of coin collecting
by attempting to fill cent and nickel albums from pocket change. During the
1970s he specialized in coin photography and produced the images for popular
advertisements and hobby books. After a pause of several years, Mr. Burdette
became interested in numismatic research. During more than ten years of
research he has uncovered a wide array of new information including many
previously unknown events.
Mr. Burdette is the author of three critically acclaimed numismatic research
books: Renaissance of American Coinage 1905-1908, Renaissance of American
Coinage 1916-1915 and Renaissance of American Coinage 1916-1921. Each book
was awarded the prestigious NLG Book-of-the-Year Award. The trilogy covers
the origin, design and initial production of our nation’s most beautiful
coinage. He is also the author of A Guide Book of Peace Dollars released by
Whitman Publishing in November 2008.
He has written numerous articles for Coin World magazine Coin Values
magazine, Coins magazine and The Numismatist. He is a contributor to the
Guide Book of United States Coins, the 8th and 9th editions of J. Hewitt
Judd’s United States Pattern Coins, Experimental and Trial Pieces, and the
USPatterns.com website. He has also contributed to Whitman Publishing LLC
books on double eagles, nickels, type coins, silver dollars, quarters and
others, and contributed to David Lange’s Complete Guide to Buffalo Nickels.
Mr. Burdette lives near Washington, DC with his daughters and canine
editorial advisor, Ivan. He is employed by a nationally known nonprofit
research and development corporation
Jud
us?
Bremick
"Norm" <Normn...@att.net> wrote in message
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This just shows that even those with exceptional numismatic credentials are
not exempt from being "punished" for breaking forum rules. I'm sure this
banning really breaks Mr. Burdett's heart.
Anonymous
Don Willis to a post of mine. I called Customer Service to renew my account
at the Silver Level. I was told that my account was blocked by PCGS upper
management. The Rep asked me if I wanted to contact them for a special ok to
re-join, I told her "no thanks". Just deleted all my coins from their
Registry and won't have anything to do with them in the future
"Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Ken Barr
<09e1f194-f6bf-40d4...@g28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
Jud <numis...@aol.com> wrote:
> If such luminaries are prohibited, where does that leave the rest of
> us?
r.c.c ... as long as Fluffy continues to let us post here ...
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Frank Provasek
Gary
create so much ill will toward the company.