Shield nickel struck thru cloth

[dwhe...@ipns.com]

Today I received an Ebay purchase of 2 Shield nickels. I was
especially curious about one, which is atypical. I took it to a local
coin dealer, who declined to speculate on what it was or what it was
struck on.

I have not photos, yet, on the coin. One side is described as an 1873
"closed 3" in VF+ condition. The container it came in state "split
after strike". A curious statement. Looking through my copy of 2006
U.S. Coin Digest, p. 30, the reverse of the nickel appears to be
"struck through cloth" or III-K-1 error. Rippling ridges are present
over the entire reverse.

The coin was weighed (only approximate, I'm afraid, since the dealer's
scale only gives the weight in grams) at 2 grams. A Shield nickel
should weigh about 5 grams. The coin is visibly much thinner than the
other Shield nickel I received. The edge, near what would be the rim,
is missing, and is quite sharp, like a dull knife. A Seated Liberty
Dime for 1874 should weigh 2.4900 grams if uncirculated.

I suspect this is a Shield nickel struck through cloth on a Seated
Liberty dime planchet. I will be posting photos of this, uh, thing
shortly.

My questions to the group: has anyone seen such an error before? Does
it make economic sense to submit such a coin to PCGS or other grading
company (ANACS, NGC, etc) for grading/authentication?

Daniel B. Wheeler

[dwhe...@ipns.com]

On Apr 2, 5:13 pm, dwhee...@ipns.com wrote:
> Today I received an Ebay purchase of 2 Shield nickels. I was

Just took photos of above and posted at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/577219857lAqKRM

Daniel B. Wheeler

[Scurvy Dog]

<dwhe...@ipns.com> wrote in message
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It's a split planchet.
The split occurred after the coin was struck, so conceivably its mate is still
out there somewhere.

[dwhe...@ipns.com]

On Apr 2, 5:59 pm, "Scurvy Dog" <scurvyd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <dwhee...@ipns.com> wrote in message

So you are saying it is approximately half of the original planchet?
Do you know of any photos of such a thing?

Why would the reverse have such ordered, wavy lines, which appears to
mimic the photo in 2006 Coin Digest (p. 30) of an III-K-1 Struck
Through Cloth? Wouldn't a split planchet be a clean surface?

Just asking. I've never seen a split planchet before, nor seen photos
of it.

Daniel B. Wheeler

[dwhe...@ipns.com]

Just reviewed photos, and found something else. On the reverse of the
1873 at the top, the U (in TRUST) looks more like either a C, O, or U,
depending on which way the coin happens to be facing. Odd.

Daniel B. Wheeler

[dwhe...@ipns.com]

On Apr 2, 5:59 pm, "Scurvy Dog" <scurvyd...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> <dwhee...@ipns.com> wrote in message

Just went to this site:

http://www.jimscoins.com/error_coin_examples.php

and found example of split planchet coin. I can see where you might
think this was the same.

I don't think it matches the description, though. A split planchet
should have striations: lines, on the split surface. My coin appears
to have an irregular wavy appearance.

Daniel B. Wheeler

[Jud]

On Apr 2, 10:48 pm, dwhee...@ipns.com wrote:

> I don't think it matches the description, though. A split planchet
> should have striations: lines, on the split surface. My coin appears
> to have an irregular wavy appearance.
>
> Daniel B. Wheeler

Dan, I too believe it to be a split planchet. I don't believe it to be
struck on wrong planchet as the obverse was well struck, and
practically zero reverse. The photos of the edge were quite telling,
as it appears that one side of the coin to be thicker than the other
but not affecting the strike on the obverse. Conclusion: well struck
coin that split after being minted.
Just my 2¢ worth, 2.5 times.

Jud

[Scurvy Dog]

<dwhe...@ipns.com> wrote in message
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You asked for opinions.
Then you want to argue when you get them.
I'm done with you.

[dwhe...@ipns.com]

On Apr 3, 7:09 am, "Scurvy Dog" <scurvyd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
> You asked for opinions.
I did.

> Then you want to argue when you get them.

I'm not arguing. I thought we were discussing a coin.

> I'm done with you.

Thanks for your opinion. Bye.

Daniel B. Wheeler

[dwhe...@ipns.com]

Thanks, Jud.

Daniel B. Wheeler

[Wm Hopkins]

<dwhe...@ipns.com> wrote in message
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Should that be "obverse?" To MY untrained eye the letters "RUST" all appear
slightly deformed from some mild 2-7 o'clock offset.

Anyone else see this?

Bill

[Scurvy Dog]

<dwhe...@ipns.com> wrote in message
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Daniel
Take your condescending attitude and stick it up your ass.
PLONK

[Jason Burke]

The scary thing about all of this is that old Bobbie REALLY thinks
anyone gives a rat's ass about who he puts in his kill file.

[Jud]

On Apr 3, 3:54 pm, Jason Burke <jason-bu...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> The scary thing about all of this is that old Bobbie REALLY thinks
> anyone gives a rat's ass about who he puts in his kill file.

I am in his killfile, and damned proud of it too!