Re: Warning on fake eBay coins
PeterD
> Saw a CCE bulletin and thought I would give a heads up
Damn, yet another unfair thing. Well, this completes our trifecta of
unfairness.
--
I'm never going to grow up.
rjn
> Subject: Warning on fake eBay coins
That's redundant. "warning on eBay coins" suffices.
And I'm speaking as someone who was a casual coin collector,
but bailed from that field around Y2K.
As I wrote this, that listing was still up, although one of the
two others had been pulled. eBay's eagle-eyed coin cops
are clearly on the case.
With the rising quality of PRC fakes, including fake slabs,
I can't imagine buying any items with a numismatic premium
on eBay (and because the alloys are faked, too, buying
bullion-grade is just as risky). Do you coin dealers realize that
coin collecting cannot survive this tsunami of clones, however clumsy?
> ... poor quality counterfeit 1889-CC Morgan listed as genuine.
At least it's a reproduction of an actual coin. Many eBay fakes
are complete fictions.
> Check out the rather dreadful morphology and that Chinese CC mintmark.
Comparing the listing photos to the ANA Grading Standards
(4th ed.), nothing really jumps out. Do you have to be a PCGS
grader to safely bid on coins on eBay?
I suspect that many of these sellers don't even know they are
selling fakes. And they get bids. Many of the buyers will never
know they bought fakes (their heirs will find out when they try
to cash in).
I wonder if anything can be done about this. Whatever steps
might be taken, debunking individual listings on AMOE is
easily the least effective thing to do.
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Steve
<lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> rjn wrote:
> > At least it's a reproduction of an actual coin. Many eBay fakes
> > are complete fictions.
>
>
> Lumpy
Here is a good basic site on ancients with lots of links.
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
> > > At least it's a reproduction of an actual coin. Many eBay fakes
> > > are complete fictions.
Lump:
> > I have a 25 drachma coin dated 224BC. How can I tell if it's fake?
Steve!:
> Here is a good basic site on ancients with lots of links.
>
> http://rg.ancients.info/guide/ancients.html
I looked around there and couldn't find anything
on coins dated 224BC. This one has a large bird
on one side. By any chance do you recognize if it
might be legit or not?
Lumpy
You sang all those car commercials?
You got it, Toyota.
www.LumpyMusic.com
Lono
> I looked around there and couldn't find anything
> on coins dated 224BC. This one has a large bird
> on one side. By any chance do you recognize if it
> might be legit or not?
>
> Lumpy
It is almost as legitimate as a 1933 Reichsmarch note on which is
printed "Pre-WWII"
I think you're giving us the bird...
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
> > I looked around there and couldn't find anything
> > on coins dated 224BC. This one has a large bird
> > on one side. By any chance do you recognize if it
> > might be legit or not?
Lono:
> It is almost as legitimate as a 1933 Reichsmarch note on which is
> printed "Pre-WWII"
>
> I think you're giving us the bird...
Boy, you can't pull anything over on these
coin dealers, can ya...
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
> Thank goodness none of us here are stupid enough to buy coins from a
> coin dealer on eBay.
Coin sales have been banned on eBay.
Notice came out this morning. Existing
listings will be allowed to expire.
No new listings.
rjn
> These people are making fun of coin dealers for claiming that
> "BC" would actually be part of the inscription of an ancient coin,
> yet their lack of knowledge makes THEM the actual fools.>
Lumpy keeps using the BC gag because people keep falling for it,
including some self-appointed coin experts. Everyone knows that
they didn't use "BC" dates, due to the off-by-one problem, the
disagreement on whether there would be a year zero or a year
one. This is the famous Y0K problem.
But if you listed a "Gem BU" 224BC coin on eBay, someone
would buy it.
Apparently, stamping dates on coins based on a perpetual
calendar didn't really start until 1234 AD. There were a few
earlier attempts, evidently based on dynasty year, as early
as 78 BC, but more usually ancient coins either had no numerical
date, or it was the current monarchy year.
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
> Lumpy keeps using the BC gag because people keep falling for it,
Doesn't really matter any more since, as eBay announced 2 days ago,
they will no longer accept new listings for coin sales. Allow the
current listings to expire, no new listings.
Gary
<lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> rjn wrote:
> > Lumpy keeps using the BC gag because people keep falling for it,
> > including some self-appointed coin experts...
>
> Doesn't really matter any more since, as eBay announced 2 days ago,
> they will no longer accept new listings for coin sales. Allow the
> current listings to expire, no new listings.
>
Link?
tony cooper
Hook, not link, and it's firmly secured in your lip.
Get out of the barrel. Lumpy's shooting at you.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
PeterD
Scored a direct hit, too...
clamz
"Gary" <garydor...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Link?
No, Lumpy.
Ken Barr
<567953c4-4e9e-405e...@v7g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
Gary <garydor...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Nope, definitely not Link.
Possibly Pete, but more likely Julie.
Which ever one it is, I'm sure that
Captain Greer will stand up for them ...
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PeterD
> In article
> <567953c4-4e9e-405e...@v7g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
> Gary<garydor...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 25, 8:25 pm, "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke"
>> <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
>>> rjn wrote:
>>>> Lumpy keeps using the BC gag because people keep falling for it,
>>>> including some self-appointed coin experts...
>>>
>>> Doesn't really matter any more since, as eBay announced 2 days ago,
>>> they will no longer accept new listings for coin sales. Allow the
>>> current listings to expire, no new listings.
>>>
>>
>> Link?
>
> Nope, definitely not Link.
>
> Possibly Pete, but more likely Julie.
>
> Which ever one it is, I'm sure that
> Captain Greer will stand up for them ...
>
Nope, not me.
Al's Coins
is probably the best thing that could happen to us. Then all the small coin
sellers (me included) who are struggling away & putting up with their
nonsense would have to migrate somewhere else. And hopefully someone with
an ounce of brains would pick up the slack & provide us with the kind of
selling platform that we need.
Al's Coins
"Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote in message
news:9bob0f...@mid.individual.net...
Bremick
"Al's Coins" <alsc...@uswest.com> wrote in message
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> IMHO, this is a hoax meesage, I think that eBay doing away with coin sales
> is probably the best thing that could happen to us. Then all the small
> coin sellers (me included) who are struggling away & putting up with their
> nonsense would have to migrate somewhere else. And hopefully someone with
> an ounce of brains would pick up the slack & provide us with the kind of
> selling platform that we need.
>
>
> Al's Coins
How did you operate before eBay?
Ken Barr
wrote:
Dunno about Al, but it was a lot harder for me back then ...
Keeping up a mailing list, printing up catalogs, mailing
them (bulk rate permit at one time ... over 1,000 customers
on my souvenir card price list alone), advertising heavily,
traveling to shows almost every weekend ... it wuz both
very expensive and quite exhausting.
Now, I can sell stuff on eBay whilst sitting in my office
in my bathrobe, and at a fraction of the expense. (Of course,
selling stuff via my website is even cheaper, but eBay is
still my second most cost-effective selling venue ...).
To paraphrase Chico Esquela, "eBay been berry, berry guud
to me!".
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408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: Livermore Valley CC show September 18
Bremick
"Ken Barr" <k...@kenbarr.com> wrote in message
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That's sort of what I was implying to Al.
Pogonip
> IMHO, this is a hoax meesage, I think that eBay doing away with coin sales
> is probably the best thing that could happen to us. Then all the small coin
> nonsense would have to migrate somewhere else. And hopefully someone with
> selling platform that we need.
>
>
> Al's Coins
Well, if you want to know what eBay has announced, where better to go
than to a newsgroup? You certainly wouldn't want to look at eBay's
Announcement Board, would you? Didn't think so.
--
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Spehro Pefhany
<j...@jkerncoins.com> wrote:
>This is untrue. Why are you harming our hobby and the eBay community by
>spreading false information? This newsgroup is supposed to help people.
The newsgroup does help people. It's the posters who are the problem.
som...@some.domain
Rav
> In article<ken-90C675.1...@nntp.aioe.org>, Ken Barr<k...@kenbarr.com> wrote:
>> In article<j3etit$uka$1...@dont-email.me>, "Bremick"<rem...@cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Al's Coins"<alsc...@uswest.com> wrote in message
>>> news:j3epqi$7i6$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> IMHO, this is a hoax meesage, I think that eBay doing away with coin sales
>>>> is probably the best thing that could happen to us. Then all the small
>>>> nonsense would have to migrate somewhere else. And hopefully someone with
>>>> selling platform that we need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Al's Coins
>>>
>>> How did you operate before eBay?
>>
>> Dunno about Al, but it was a lot harder for me back then ...
>>
>> Keeping up a mailing list, printing up catalogs, mailing
>> them (bulk rate permit at one time ... over 1,000 customers
>> on my souvenir card price list alone), advertising heavily,
>> traveling to shows almost every weekend ... it wuz both
>> very expensive and quite exhausting.
>>
>> Now, I can sell stuff on eBay whilst sitting in my office
>> in my bathrobe, and at a fraction of the expense. (Of course,
>> selling stuff via my website is even cheaper, but eBay is
>> still my second most cost-effective selling venue ...).
>>
>> To paraphrase Chico Esquela, "eBay been berry, berry guud
>> to me!".
>>
> i thoughtn it was garret morris?
It was the actor Garrett Morris (two T's in the first name), who played
the part of baseball player Chico Escuela on SNL.
som...@some.domain
hey, you got the reference! awright.
a very underated actor. i've always thought that he and ron glass got the
short end. glass's work on serenity was first rate. i was pissed when they
killed him.
clamz
"Rav" <Pa...@cais.com> wrote in message news:j3iv51$ase$1...@dont-email.me...
Sure that's not Greg Morris of Mission Impossible?
Will
wrote:
>On 8/28/2011 6:25 PM, Al's Coins wrote:
>> IMHO, this is a hoax meesage, I think that eBay doing away with coin sales
>> is probably the best thing that could happen to us. Then all the small coin
>> sellers (me included) who are struggling away& putting up with their
>> nonsense would have to migrate somewhere else. And hopefully someone with
>> an ounce of brains would pick up the slack& provide us with the kind of
>> selling platform that we need.
>>
>>
>> Al's Coins
>
>Well, if you want to know what eBay has announced, where better to go
>than to a newsgroup? You certainly wouldn't want to look at eBay's
>Announcement Board, would you? Didn't think so.
What part of Al's message indicates he came here to read eBay
announcements (as you so badly want to believe)? None, of course.
som...@some.domain
Ignoramus4719
i
Steve Spradlin
wrote:
> OK, how do real eBay coins look like?
>
> i
While some coins can be determined to be false from the the photos, it
is impossible to authenicate
a coin from a photo. For example, specific gravity, mass, diameter,
cannot be determined from a photo.
Indeed, many fraudulant coin sellers use a stolen photo of an
authentic coin. Your best bet
is to deal with sellers of known reputations, Membership in the
American Numismatic Association
is a good indication of an honest dealer, as sellers agree to abide by
the member-dealer Code of Ethics.
Their website is www.money,org
Dan Smith
> Steve Spradlin wrote:
>> ... Your best bet
>> is to deal with sellers of known reputations, Membership in the
>> American Numismatic Association
>> is a good indication of an honest dealer, as sellers agree to abide by
>> the member-dealer Code of Ethics.
>
> don't agree to be honest?
>
> That's quite a profession.
>
> Is there any legit/legal profession that doesn't agree
> to be honest?
>
> I guess the non ANA coin heads are like crack dealers
> and armed robbers.
>
> It's a good thing that magazine is around to keep
> us all safe.While the ANA does publish a magazine, the safety in joining comes from the
members and
dealers agreement to BINDING ARBITRATION to uphold the Codes of Ethics, viz:
Member Code of Ethics
Approved August 1965 by the ANA Board of Governors; revised February 1995.
Membership in the American Numismatic Association is a privilege extended to
those persons and organizations deemed worthy thereof and is not a matter of
right. Such membership can be maintained unless the Board of Governors
determines that the conduct of a member has been such that, in the best
interest of the Association, his/her membership should be terminated.
For the guidance of its members, this Code of Ethics has been duly adopted
by the Board of Governors under the authority vested in it by the Federal
Charter and the bylaws of the Association. Any violation of this code will
be grounds for expulsion from the American Numismatic Association.
As a member of the American Numismatic Association, I agree to comply with
the following standards of conduct:
•To support and be governed by the Federal Charter and the bylaws of the
Association, and by such rules, policies and regulations as may be in force
from time to time.
•To conduct myself so as to bring no reproach or discredit to the
Association, or impair the prestige of the membership therein.
•To base all of my dealings on the highest plane of justice, fairness and
morality, and to refrain from making false statements as to the condition of
a coin or as to any other matter.
•To neither buy nor sell numismatic items of which the ownership is
questionable.
•To conform to the accepted standards of dignified advertising.
•To take immediate steps to correct any error I may make in any transaction.
•Not to sell, exhibit, produce or advertise a counterfeit, copy, restrike or
reproduction of any numismatic item if its nature is not clearly indicated
by the word “counterfeit,” “copy,” “restrike,” or “reproduction,” incused in
the metal or printed on the paper thereof, with the exception of items
generally accepted by numismatists and not in any way misrepresented as
genuine.
•To represent a numismatic item to be genuine only when, to the best of my
knowledge and belief, it is authentic.
•To fulfill all contracts made by me, either oral or written, to make prompt
payments upon delivery and to return immediately any item that is not
satisfactory.
•To give aid to members in their quest for numismatic knowledge.
•To comply with the Dealer Code of Ethics with respect to my sale or
purchase of any numismatic item.
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Dealer Code of Ethics
Approved August 1967 by the ANA Board of Governors; revised March 2002.
As an ANA member dealer, I agree to comply with the following principles:
•To comply with the ANA Member Code of Ethics.
•To purchase and sell numismatic items at prices commensurate with a
reasonable return to the seller and for a reasonable return on my investment
with regards to the then prevailing rate.
•To furnish my clientele with advice on numismatic information to the best
of my ability.
•To not knowingly handle for resale forgeries, counterfeits, unmarked
copies, altered coins or other spurious numismatic merchandise that is not
clearly labeled as such.
•To frequently publish my statement of return privileges, which will allow
my customers a designated period of time in which to return numismatic
material for a refund, except bullion or bullion-related material may not be
returned for a refund. Said period of time shall not be less than fifteen
(15) days from the recorded date of receipt or other transmittal of said
material or not less than ten (10) days after my customer’s receipt thereof
or my attempted delivery thereof to my customer, whichever time period shall
be the earlier.
?If a customer submits a misdescribed or overgraded coin to a certification
service for authentication or grading and notifies me of such submission
within ten (10) days of my date of mailing or other delivery, I will
continue to recognize his/her return privilege for thirty (30) days after my
customer’s receipt of said coin from me.
?In an auction sale of consigned material, the return privilege period may
be made available only to mail bidders, and the period for the return of
such material may be limited to five (5) days from the mail bidder’s receipt
thereof or fifteen (15) days from the bidder’s receipt of the invoice for
such material or my attempted delivery of my invoice therefor, whichever
time period shall be the earlier.
?Whether or not an item has been returned within the limited return period,
a dealer may be subject to expulsion or other disciplinary action for
a) the intentional sale of any counterfeit item or any item with an altered
date or mintmark;
b) the intentional misrepresentation as to the grade of any item; or
c) the failure or refusal to provide a refund or replacement for any item
referred to in a) or b) preceding, whether or not the sale or
misrepresentation was intentional. Anything herein to the contrary
notwithstanding, I shall have the right to enforce my written terms of sale
furnished to a customer or the written provisions of my contract with a
customer, even if such terms and/or provisions restrict or prohibit the
return of numismatic material, contrary to the return privilege provisions
set forth herein.
However, said terms and provisions may not provide a time limit for the
return of a counterfeit coin unless I have informed my customer that a coin
may not be genuine and he/she has agreed that the coin cannot be returned to
me for a refund in the event it is determined to be counterfeit.
•To abide by all local, state and federal laws in all numismatic matters and
to assist in the prosecution of violators of the law in this respect.
•To recognize and respect my own contracts and business dealings and those
of fellow members of the Association.
•To refrain from making unjustified and/or false statements or
misrepresentations in my relations with others, and to fully cooperate in
the advancement of our hobby and business in my relations with collector and
dealer alike.
Any violation of this code will be grounds for expulsion from the American
Numismatic Association.
Gary Dorman
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:22:34 -0700 (PDT), Gary
>
There is something mentally wrong with a person like Lumpy who gets
their enjoyument
belittleing and mocking other people. He has done this for years.
Pogonip
>
> There is something mentally wrong with a person like Lumpy who gets
> their enjoyument
> belittleing and mocking other people. He has done this for years.
He does it for free, too. Don Rickles has made an excellent living at
it for years.
PeterD
>
> "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote in message
> news:9bob0f...@mid.individual.net...
>> rjn wrote:
>>> Lumpy keeps using the BC gag because people keep falling for it,
>>> including some self-appointed coin experts...
>>
>> Doesn't really matter any more since, as eBay announced 2 days ago,
>> they will no longer accept new listings for coin sales. Allow the
>> current listings to expire, no new listings.
>>
>>
> spreading false information? This newsgroup is supposed to help people.
Well, I think I see your problem...
clamz
"Steve Spradlin" <coing...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Membership in the
American Numismatic Association
is a good indication of an honest dealer, as sellers agree to abide by
the member-dealer Code of Ethics.
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
> Membership in the American Numismatic Association is a privilege
> extended to those persons and organizations deemed worthy thereof and
> is not a matter of right. Such membership can be maintained unless
> the Board of Governors determines that the conduct of a member has
> been such that, in the best interest of the Association, his/her
> membership should be terminated.
Hmmm. Same "privilege not right" extended to -
Members of Congress
Employees of Wendy's
Members of Alcoholics Anonymous
Jail trustees
Don Lancaster
>
> There is something mentally wrong with a person like Lumpy who gets
> their enjoyument
> belittleing and mocking other people. He has done this for years.
Doing something wrong once is just dumb.
Doing it often is a philosophy.
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still an official ANA online club? These people causing disruption need to
be removed.
"Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote in message
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clamz
"Tom McGilvray" <mcgilvr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>I don't know who these bozos are making fun of the ANA. Isn't this group
>still an official ANA online club? These people causing disruption need to
>be removed.
>
You forgot the L.
Jason Burke
> I don't know who these bozos are making fun of the ANA. Isn't this group
> still an official ANA online club? These people causing disruption need
> to be removed.
>
Lumpy has nothing better to do than show what a jackass he can be.
Bremick
"Tom McGilvray" <mcgilvr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>still an official ANA online club? These people causing disruption need to
>be removed.
IIRC, RCC is not and never was an "official ANA online club". Are you
suggesting here that bad things should happen to people "causing
disruption". Disruption here? Disruption at the ANA? Heaven forbid
anyone should be allowed to make fun of the ANA. Be aware though that bozos
by nature are expected to make fun.
Frank Provasek
> "Tom McGilvray" <mcgilvrayfam...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
RCC was an official ANA club during the early part of the decade. I
attended the
meeting at the ANA show in NY in 2002. Gary Lewis sponsored the group
and
paid the dues. Unfortunately, that is why the ANA got sued when people
here
made personal attacks against the owners of Accugrade.
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Tom McGilvray
someone
said in a newsgroup.
"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
> I find it highly immprobable that someone could sue anyone based on
> what someone
> said in a newsgroup.
RCC, an unmoderated newsgroup, has NEVER been, and could
never have been, any kind of "official" ANA club or group.
Frank is just another one of those Bozos from the eBay group
that likes to cause trouble.
Bremick
"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
news:df65dc61-0014-49bc...@s7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> "Tom McGilvray" <mcgilvrayfam...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:j3oo8i$2ji$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> >I don't know who these bozos are making fun of the ANA. Isn't this group
> >still an official ANA online club? These people causing disruption need
> >to
> >be removed.
>
> IIRC, RCC is not and never was an "official ANA online club". Are you
> suggesting here that bad things should happen to people "causing
> disruption". Disruption here? Disruption at the ANA? Heaven forbid
> anyone should be allowed to make fun of the ANA. Be aware though that
> bozos
> by nature are expected to make fun.
RCC was an official ANA club during the early part of the decade. I
attended the
meeting at the ANA show in NY in 2002. Gary Lewis sponsored the group
and
paid the dues. Unfortunately, that is why the ANA got sued when people
here
made personal attacks against the owners of Accugrade.
____________
Interesting. I believe I have been here since that time and never had a
clue this was anything other than an unmoderated usenet group.
Don Lancaster
> ____________
>
> Interesting. I believe I have been here since that time and never had a
> clue this was anything other than an unmoderated usenet group.
>
>
That is because Bruno does nothing in moderation.
Jud
[Headers trimmed]
A little clarification is needed here. RCC has never been an
'official' ANA member club. Yes, we did have an informal meeting at
the ANA convention (I can't remember which, but if you say NYC, I
believe you). Gary Lewis did pay for the use of the meeting room, and
yes, Gary was the President of the ANA at one time. Again, my memory
fails me, I don't know if he was the President at that time or not.
RCC as a whole, and a lot of posters here were sued by Alan Hagar, the
owner of ACG, a lower tier TPG service because of what was said here.
Along with RCC and RCC posters, the ANA itself was brought into the
law suit as it was then erroneously named by Hagar as an 'official'
ANA club, which it never was. RCC was one of the first to be dropped
from the suit.
I met a lot of RCC folks at that meeting, unfortunately I don't
believe any of them still post here. Eric Tillery, Jorg Lueke etc. I
do know for fact that many do lurk here but don't post. Gary Lewis
being one of them!
Ken Barr
"Tom McGilvray" <mcgilvr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I find it highly immprobable that someone could sue anyone based on what
> someone
> said in a newsgroup.
Hey, this is AMERICA! Anyone can sue anyone anytime for anything,
whether there is a scintilla of merit to the case or not!
The r.c.c newsfroup itself, along with many people who post here, was in
fact named as a DEFENDANT in a federal lawsuite ...
http://www.webservertalk.com/message1123246.html
among others. Google 1:04-cv-02213-RWR for more gory details in
various other threads ...
(And, NO, no one ever explained how rec.collecting.coins was supposed to
be formally served with the complaint ...)
The lawsuite was eventually dropped, but not until after numerous people
paid numerous lawyers numerous amounts of money ...)
[large snip]
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San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc.
408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: Livermore Valley CC show September 18
Steve
wrote:
>
> i
Everything from half cents to double eagles.
Phil DeMayo
> Interesting. I believe I have been here since that time and never had a
> clue this was anything other than an unmoderated usenet group.
Gary Lewis did pay dues for RCC to become an ANA member club so that
they would be able to get a meeting room at ANA shows.
Gary Dorman
<lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
> Tom McGilvray top-posted:
>
> > I find it highly immprobable that someone could sue anyone based on
> > what someone
> > said in a newsgroup.
>
> RCC, an unmoderated newsgroup, has NEVER been, and could
> never have been, any kind of "official" ANA club or group.
>
> Frank is just another one of those Bozos from the eBay group
> that likes to cause trouble.
>
> Lumpy
>
ANA.
What is your problem with him that you constantly belittle him?
I think posting his toll free phone number everywhere is a very low
act because this
costs the owner money every time they get a call.
I wonder if this is really the Lumpy Music guy and not someome trying
to get Lumpy into
trouble because he has made many disparaging remarks against various
people which would
have legal liability.
Bremick
"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.com> wrote in message
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So this is what made RCC an "official ANA online club"? If so, there must
be many other "official ANA clubs" like EAC, etc., if all that means is that
by paying dues they get a shot at a meeting room at an ANA show. Out of
curiousity, when was the last time RCC had a meeting room at an ANA show?
Some Guy
"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2e555eca-d8a1-45e1...@eb1g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>be able to get a meeting room at ANA shows.
Was that before or after his musical career with The Playboys?
Ken Barr
wrote:
EAC, SPMC, TAMS, etc. can all be ANA "club" members since they are truly
"clubs" (they have constitutions/bylaws, maintain membership lists, hold
elections, have officers, issue publications, etc.). They even get to
nominate candidates and vote in ANA elections if two of their officers
sign the nomination form / ballot.
I find it hard to believe that R.C.C meets any kind of definition of a
"club". The fact that Gary paid dues "for r.c.c" out of his own pocket
is fairly meaningless unless he was authorized by the
Rec.Collecting.Coins Board of Directors to do so. (TINR.C.CBoD ...).
I suspect that the ANA eventually rejected the r.c.c membership
application as "insufficient" since it could not have been signed by two
of the club's "officers".
Does anybody know the membership number of r.c.c and it's status??
(And FWIW I did attend one of the r.c.c "meetings" at an ANA show ...
not in New York, but I disremember where. IIRC, Gary showed up
initially but ducked out immediately to a Board meeting. I remember
Anka being there, and a few other people (one possibly Nick Knight), but
I don't think anybody took roll or meeting minutes, or even "ran" the
meeting for that matter ...
mazorj
"Some Guy" <so...@guy.xxx> wrote in message
news:j3rga8$rdt$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
The term "career" is a vast overstatement.
So is "musical".
BrotherBart
> Interesting. I believe I have been here since that time and never had a
> clue this was anything other than an unmoderated usenet group.
>
>
Yeah. If you go back and do the research you will find it was the
reach-around creativity conference usenet group. Eventually it became
obvious that most of the participants were coin dealers so it evolved.
Will
<fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote:
>On Sep 1, 4:12 pm, "Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Tom McGilvray" <mcgilvrayfam...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:j3oo8i$2ji$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>
>> >I don't know who these bozos are making fun of the ANA. Isn't this group
>> >still an official ANA online club? These people causing disruption need to
>> >be removed.
>>
>> IIRC, RCC is not and never was an "official ANA online club". Are you
>> suggesting here that bad things should happen to people "causing
>> disruption". Disruption here? Disruption at the ANA? Heaven forbid
>> anyone should be allowed to make fun of the ANA. Be aware though that bozos
>> by nature are expected to make fun.
>
>RCC was an official ANA club during the early part of the decade. I
>attended the
>meeting at the ANA show in NY in 2002. Gary Lewis sponsored the group
>and
>paid the dues.
Sure.............. a USENET NEWSGROUP.... PAID for and SPONSORED by
ANAL?
> Unfortunately, that is why the ANA got sued when people
>here made personal attacks against the owners of Accugrade.
Anyone stupid enough to allow themselves to get sued over a Usenet
post must be a moron. Sounds like complete bullshit, just like the
rest of your post.
>
>----
>Frank Provasek Rare Coins www.frankcons.com
>http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/frnkcoins Texas Auction License
>11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
>Member TNA, ANAL, PCGS, NGC, ICTA - Full Time Since 1991
Will
>In article <j3otoh$jmn$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> "Tom McGilvray" <mcgilvr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I find it highly immprobable that someone could sue anyone based on what
>> someone
>> said in a newsgroup.
>
>Hey, this is AMERICA!
No, it's a newsgroup. Another typical arrogant/ignorant american.
Jeff R.
"Will" <w...@hotmale.com> wrote in message news:cd55675vt3g3l9ft6...@4ax.com...
>
> Anyone stupid enough to allow themselves to get sued over a Usenet
> post must be a moron. Sounds like complete bullshit, just like the
> rest of your post.
New around these parts, are you?
--
Jeff R.
Will
If by 'new' you mean approx. 12 years 'around these parts', then yes.
Phil DeMayo
The original post was cross-posted to alt.marketing.online.ebay Jeff.
He's one of "them"
Jeff R.
"Phil DeMayo" <flip...@aol.com> wrote in message news:5ll567l5dv3n9pgls...@4ax.com...
Thanks Phil.
I don't pay a lot of attention nowadays.
--
Jeff R.
Jason Burke
> Tom McGilvray top-posted:
>> I find it highly immprobable that someone could sue anyone based on
>> what someone
>> said in a newsgroup.
>
> RCC, an unmoderated newsgroup, has NEVER been, and could
> never have been, any kind of "official" ANA club or group.
>
Gee, dipshit, wrong again.
Will
<jason...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On 9/1/2011 3:29 PM, Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke wrote:
>> Tom McGilvray top-posted:
>>> I find it highly immprobable that someone could sue anyone based on
>>> what someone
>>> said in a newsgroup.
>>
>> RCC, an unmoderated newsgroup, has NEVER been, and could
>> never have been, any kind of "official" ANA club or group.
>>
>
>Gee, dipshit, wrong again.
You clearly have no idea what Usenet is, nor how absurd your claim is.
You silly mongoloid child.
Pogonip
Many people born with Down Syndrome are capable of much. It is totally
unfair to them to lump this person, whatever his disability, in with
those hard-working individuals.
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/
Will
wrote:
>On 9/3/2011 10:43 PM, Will wrote:
>> On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:56:07 -0700, Jason Burke
>> <jason...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/1/2011 3:29 PM, Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke wrote:
>>>> Tom McGilvray top-posted:
>>>>> I find it highly immprobable that someone could sue anyone based on
>>>>> what someone
>>>>> said in a newsgroup.
>>>>
>>>> RCC, an unmoderated newsgroup, has NEVER been, and could
>>>> never have been, any kind of "official" ANA club or group.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Gee, dipshit, wrong again.
>>
>> You clearly have no idea what Usenet is, nor how absurd your claim is.
>> You silly mongoloid child.
>>
>
>Many people born with Down Syndrome are capable of much. It is totally
>unfair to them to lump this person, whatever his disability, in with
>those hard-working individuals.
Life is like that (unfair). One could easily argue that most of the
innocents who find their way here with legitimate questions are
generally treated unfairly, by you and others here.
I also know people with Downs Syndrome and agree with you as to their
abilities (well, some of them at least).
I just like using the word 'mongoloid' as an insult, almost as much as
I like the word 'faggot' for similar reasons.
PeterD
What is absurd about: "RCC, an unmoderated newsgroup, has NEVER been,
and could never have been, any kind of "official" ANA club or group..."
--
I'm never going to grow up.
Will
I think you need to learn how to read attributions correctly.
Jason Burke
A bit too many hits on the old crack pipe today, Little Willie?
Don Lancaster
> The ANA publication "The Numismatist" lists the names
> of several members and dealers per month who are expelled for failing to
> uphold the highest ethical standards of the organization.
>
Typo.
"Failing to Uphold" should be "Exceeding".
--
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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Please visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
Gary
> On 9/25/2011 8:34 AM, Mike Printz wrote:
>
> > The ANA publication "The Numismatist" lists the names
> > of several members and dealers per month who are expelled for failing to
> > uphold the highest ethical standards of the organization.
>
> Typo.
>
> "Failing to Uphold" should be "Exceeding".
>
> --
> Many thanks,
>
> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
The message was correct as written. You are expelled for FAILING TO
UPHOLD the ANA
ethical standards...not EXCEEDING them. Most good coin dealers DO
exceed the minimum standards,
but they certainly would not be EXPELLED for doing so!
Don Lancaster
It sure is rare to see so many whoosh birds flying so low in formation.
--
Many thanks,
Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
Chris S.
"Don Lancaster" <d...@tinaja.com> wrote in message
news:9e9anq...@mid.individual.net...
>> On Sep 25, 11:55 am, Don Lancaster<d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
>>> On 9/25/2011 8:34 AM, Mike Printz wrote:
>>>
>>>> The ANA publication "The Numismatist" lists the names
>>>> of several members and dealers per month who are expelled for failing
>>>> to
>>>> uphold the highest ethical standards of the organization.
>>>
>>> Typo.
>>>
>>> "Failing to Uphold" should be "Exceeding".
>>>
>>> --
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Don Lancaster voice phone: (928)428-4073
>>
>> The message was correct as written. You are expelled for FAILING TO
>> UPHOLD the ANA
>> ethical standards...not EXCEEDING them. Most good coin dealers DO
>> exceed the minimum standards,
>> but they certainly would not be EXPELLED for doing so!
>
>
> It sure is rare to see so many whoosh birds flying so low in formation.
>
Steve Spradlin
> "Steve Spradlin" <coinguy1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> Membership in the
> American Numismatic Association
> is a good indication of an honest dealer, as sellers agree to abide by
> the member-dealer Code of Ethics.
>
> Isn't that an oxymoron?
Whether you belive "all people are basically good" (the guy who
founded eBay, or you
believe that it takes a carrot and stick approach to keep people
honest, wouldn't
you rather buy your rare coins from a member of an organization who is
able to
enforce sanctions against a dishonest seller?
Will
wrote:
>Rec Collecting Coins was indeed given club status by the American Numismatic
>Association.
This is just too funny...
>Mike Printz
>Harlan J Berk, Inc
>
>"Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote in message
>news:9cafae...@mid.individual.net...
>> Tom McGilvray top-posted:
>>> I find it highly immprobable that someone could sue anyone based on
>>> what someone
>>> said in a newsgroup.
>>
>> RCC, an unmoderated newsgroup, has NEVER been, and could
>> never have been, any kind of "official" ANA club or group.
>>
Ken Barr
"Mike Printz" <mi...@hjb.com> wrote:
> Membership in the American Numismatic Association is contingent upon the
> Member
> upholding the Code of Ethics. The ANA publication "The Numismatist" lists
> of several members and dealers per month who are expelled for failing to
issues of "The Numismatist" published so far this year, I only
see three members listed as being expelled.
One wuz a collector expelled for failure to return books to the
library, one wuz a deeler expelled for failing to pay his
advertising/bourse fees and one wuz a deeler expelled for being
convicted of grand larceny.
Three members over the course of nine months is quite a far cry
from your claim of "several ... per month". (And with over
27,000 members, three expulsions is statistically negligible.)
Mike Printz
numismatist and former Executive Director of the American Numismatic
Association, has joined the U.S. Coin team at HJB Ltd. Larry joins Mike
Printz, Robert Greenstein, and David Greenstein in their continuing effort
to enhance their presence in the high grade
U.S. coin market. Sammy Berk and Dennis Forgue are recognized experts in
U.S. Paper Money, Maps and U.S. Medals. Tom DeLorey's encyclopedic knowledge
of U.S. coins adds further experience and depth of knowledge to the team as
a consultant.
"I'm thrilled to join such a well rounded team of experts. Harlan and the
staff at HJB have an outstanding reputation for honesty, integrity and
expertise across a broad spectrum of numismatic fields. I look forward to
working closely with Mike Printz, who I've valued as a close, personal
friend and have respected for his client oriented expertise for nearly 20
years. The opportunity to work closely with Mike, Harlan and the rest of the
staff was a strong incentive to join the firm," says Shepherd.
Harlan Berk adds: "Larry's unquestioned integrity and extensive knowledge of
rare coins and the coin market allows us to supply our customers with an
even larger inventory of high quality coins to choose from. We feel this
will enable us to move into the top tier of U. S. Coins, which we have
occupied in the field of Ancient Coins for the last several decades.
Additionally, Harlan J. Berk Ltd. is able to provide Larry's clients with a
wide array of numismatic products and services."
Larry will remain in Colorado Springs for now and can be reached via email
at: La...@HJBLtd.com or via phone at 719.464.8801
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
> Larry will remain in Colorado Springs for now and can be reached via
> email at: La...@HJBLtd.com or via phone at 719.464.8801
Lumpy
You played on "The Love Boat"?
Yes. White tux, huge sideburns.
www.LumpyMusic.com
Bremick
> Mike Printz wrote:
>> Larry will remain in Colorado Springs for now and can be reached via
>> email at: La...@HJBLtd.com or via phone at 719.464.8801
>
> Does he have a toll free number?
Are the people who still pay tolls?
ltl...@hotmail.com
Which organization had enforced what sanctions against which sellers?