Check out this Half Dollar Redesign proposal
malanu...@aol.com
To: President George W. Bush
Theodore Roosevelt was one of the greatest men to ever hold the office
of President of the United States. He is the only President to have
won both the Nobel Peace Prize, and the Congressional Medal of Honor.
His legislative reforms at the dawn of the 20th Century, paved the way
for America to take her rightful place as a world power, and gave us
the stability and sensibility to survive as a Constitutional
Republic.
There is no telling what the world would have been like, had not
Theodore Roosevelt been President, and we are fortunate to live in a
world where he did. As such, it is a great injustice to deny this
great man his rightful place on American coinage. For far too long, he
has gone without monetary tribute, and we implore you to change this.
It is also true that the once popular Half Dollar coin has fallen into
disuse. Few people spend this denomination, despite the growing need
for such a coin. With many small priced items now standing at 50
cents, it would not take much to popularize the Half Dollar as a coin
to once again be spent and used as pocket change. Why carry 2
quarters, when you can carry 1 half? However, the current drab
appearance of the half leaves it an undesirable coin, destined to
elimination.
For these reasons stated above, we, the undersigned, ask that you
seriously consider commissioning a redesign for the Half Dollar by
executive order, with Theodore Roosevelt as the figure to appear on
the obverse. Putting Theodore Roosevelt on the Half Dollar would both
honor one of America's greatest Presidents, and bring back into use a
nearly forgotten denomination.
Please, do not let Theodore Roosevelt, nor the half dollar of the
United States, fade into darkness. Let them shine together!
Sincerely,
END
I copied and pasted it, in case the link didn't work for you people.
This person thinks that the half would once again circulated if
Theodore Roosevelt were placed on the coin (which I don't buy. I think
it would take more than that, such as, self-checkouts, and vending
machines retooled to accept and dispense halves, as I said in a
previous post)
I should email this guy about my dog proposal, just to see what he
thinks. And I should also mention that I wanted Theodore Roosevelt on
a new circuating $200 bill.
Arizona Coin Collector
<malanu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.petitiononline.com/trhalfd/petition.html
Bush will no longer be President as of January 20, 2009 so
the petition is a waist of time. Today is Tuesday 01/13/2009.
Theodore Roosevelt will be on the one-dollar coin in 2013.
Source: http://www.usmint.gov/$1coin
The change is not going to happen on the 50-cent piece.
Bruce Remick
You'd better hurry!
> Theodore Roosevelt was one of the greatest men to ever hold the office
> of President of the United States. He is the only President to have
> won both the Nobel Peace Prize, and the Congressional Medal of Honor.
> His legislative reforms at the dawn of the 20th Century, paved the way
> for America to take her rightful place as a world power, and gave us
> the stability and sensibility to survive as a Constitutional
> Republic.
Right about here, President Bush scratches his head and tosses this message
aside to return to his Style section of the Washington Post. Your specific
point should have been proposed up front. Journalism 101 or some such
thing.
>
> There is no telling what the world would have been like, had not
> Theodore Roosevelt been President, and we are fortunate to live in a
> world where he did. As such, it is a great injustice to deny this
> great man his rightful place on American coinage. For far too long, he
> has gone without monetary tribute, and we implore you to change this.
So you're suggesting we remove either Lincoln, Jefferson, FDR, Washington,
Kennedy, or Sacagewea (hmmm) from one of our coins to be replaced with TR?
Why not simply a TR medal, the president's corresponding secretary asks?
>
> It is also true that the once popular Half Dollar coin has fallen into
> disuse. Few people spend this denomination, despite the growing need
> for such a coin. With many small priced items now standing at 50
> cents, it would not take much to popularize the Half Dollar as a coin
> to once again be spent and used as pocket change. Why carry 2
> quarters, when you can carry 1 half? However, the current drab
> appearance of the half leaves it an undesirable coin, destined to
> elimination.
er....President John F. Kennedy currently is portrayed on our half dollar.
Drab? Undesireable?
>
> For these reasons stated above, we, the undersigned, ask that you
> seriously consider commissioning a redesign for the Half Dollar by
> executive order, with Theodore Roosevelt as the figure to appear on
> the obverse. Putting Theodore Roosevelt on the Half Dollar would both
> honor one of America's greatest Presidents, and bring back into use a
> nearly forgotten denomination.
>
> Please, do not let Theodore Roosevelt, nor the half dollar of the
> United States, fade into darkness. Let them shine together!
What if the president is perfectly content without the half dollar?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> END
>
> I copied and pasted it, in case the link didn't work for you people.
>
> This person thinks that the half would once again circulated if
> Theodore Roosevelt were placed on the coin (which I don't buy. I think
> it would take more than that, such as, self-checkouts, and vending
> machines retooled to accept and dispense halves, as I said in a
> previous post)
Once again, you seem to be of the impression that people will spend coins
based on who is pictured on them. Well, if Lincoln can't get the cent
moving and JFK no longer inspires excitement over the half dollar, it's
obvious to me that nothing short of Obama and his family and their new dog
on a half dollar will open peoples' eyes. And even then they probably would
just save a few and forget about the half dollar as a coin when they didn't
receive any in change.
>
> I should email this guy about my dog proposal, just to see what he
> thinks. And I should also mention that I wanted Theodore Roosevelt on
> a new circuating $200 bill.
This guy? You're still talking about President Bush here? You have his
email address? Just between you and me.....nobody else has to
know...........
RWF
news:2X0bl.41394$pe.3...@newsfe13.iad...
> Well, if Lincoln can't get the cent moving and JFK no longer inspires
> excitement over the half dollar, it's obvious to me that nothing short
> of Obama and his family and their new dog on a half dollar will open
> peoples' eyes.
Barack IS on the half dollar.
At least the ones Montel Williams is huckstering.
Mr. Jaggers
I presume a series of coins with designs appealing to the prurient interest
might circulate. And, with IGWT in boldcaps, prominently placed, there
would be something for everyone. Who would dare complain?
James
malanu...@aol.com
> Bruce Remick wrote:
> > <malanutt4l...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
WHOA! guys,
I know that Bush will only be in the office after the 20th. I have no
plans to send anything addressed to Bush.
This is NOT my proposal. I just found it on Google, and posted it
here. Does that clear things up for you?
malanu...@aol.com
Sorry, I meant that I know that Bush will only be in office UNTIL the
20th of January. Damn, I hate making mistakes.
Mr. Jaggers
Reeding threw watt yew right befour yew hitt CEND offen reveels yer
missteaks an chanjes yew knead two mayke.
Jemas
Bruce Remick
<malanu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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[Snips]
WHOA! guys,
I know that Bush will only be in the office after the 20th. I have no
plans to send anything addressed to Bush.
This is NOT my proposal. I just found it on Google, and posted it
here. Does that clear things up for you?
______________
We don't want to see copies of other peoples' stuff. We want to see yours.
Every one of your posts seem to contain another of your proposals, so I for
one thought this was another one.
Dave Allured
I checked out the link. I did not see any way to vote "no". I do not
have anything much against ole Teddy, except he was a bit too fond of
blasting away at the creatures of the wild.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TR_Buckskin_Tiffany_Knife.jpg
My problem is with the coin. It's bad economic policy to keep making
half dollars. Their usefulness has been surpassed by inflation. Half
dollars became unpopular decades ago, presumably for their size, right
after the government took the silver out of them. The vending machine
industry stopped supporting them too, even though the same industry
keeps promoting the smaller sized dollar coin.
Use of half dollar coins harms the promotion of the much needed dollar
coin by competing with limited coin slots in US cash registers, and by
contributing to the popular notion that coins are too large and heavy.
The U.S. needs to drop the paper $1 and $2 bills, and the penny, nickel,
and half dollar coins. Just use dimes, quarters, dollar coins, and $5
coins; and I am no longer sure about the dimes.
Your best chance for sled dogs on circulating money would be to ask
congress to make a quarter series for them. They really go for that
sort of thing, you know. Heck, I am sure that woofies would make better
engraving subjects and be more popular than, er, obscure parks and
territories.
--Dave
RWF
news:496E06...@nospom.com...
> The U.S. needs to drop the paper $1 and $2 bills, and the penny,
> nickel,
> and half dollar coins. Just use dimes, quarters, dollar coins, and $5
> coins; and I am no longer sure about the dimes.
SO, you suggest rounding to the nearest 10 cents?
You, sir, are an ass.
Mr. Jaggers
I've been reading about the Comstock Lode of the 1870s, and the financial
situation that existed in the West at the time. It seems that cents and
nickels did not circulate there at all, as the inflationary local economy
dictated that everything would be rounded to the nearest dime. That was one
of the bullet points used to promote the minting of the ill-fated 20c coins.
The other primary point was that the Spanish-American 2 reales was still
very much in circulation out west, and when one was tendered for a 10c
purchase, only a dime would be returned as change.
James
sgt23
I really don't want too see a dollar coin, it makes us here in the
united states look very european. Then whats next the amero? I'm sorry
but I'm completely against this. Their has been nothing but lies since
the beginning about this saving us money. The only way I would except
a dollar coin if it was made of silver. Once our government starts
backing our money with silver and gold again. It will be worth
something and we will be out of this economic mess.
Mr. Jaggers
1) Study your U.S. history in some detail and you will see it punctuated
with financial panic after financial panic, depression after depression.
Our gold-backed currency prevented none of them. The Great Depression
occurred in spite of it.
2) The dollar-denominated coin is a European concept through and through.
It evolved directly from the Spanish-American 8 reales, or "piece of eight",
thanks to the ministrations of Thomas Jefferson and other of our Founders.
The name derives from a large silver coin from Germany. We got along with
this "furrin'" denomination for over two hundred years. Dollar coins have
been around since 1794 and are still here. What's your problem with them
all of a sudden?
3) I will not even attempt to explain yet again the savings in switching to
a metal dollar to save money, as your mind, by your own admission, is
closed. I will not waste my time trying to pry it open. Enjoy.
4) Please learn the difference between "accept" (to welcome) and "except"
(to reject). Your failure to use the words correctly often completely
destroys your argument.
James
Bruce Remick
"sgt23" <bravesfa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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__________________________________
If you think the US is looking very European, perhaps you should consider
where most of the our immigrants have come from over the past three
centuries. Meanwhile, we'll record you here as against the dollar coin.
P.S. If someone should happen to hand you one, you can refuse to spend it
in protest.
som...@some.domain
>On Jan 14, 7:39=A0pm, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote:
>> RWF wrote:
>> > "Dave Allured" <nos...@nospom.com> wrote in message
>> >news:496E06...@nospom.com...
>> >> The U.S. needs to drop the paper $1 and $2 bills, and the penny,
>> >> nickel,
>> >> $5 coins; and I am no longer sure about the dimes.
>>
>> > SO, you suggest rounding to the nearest 10 cents?
>> > You, sir, are an ass.
>>
>> I've been reading about the Comstock Lode of the 1870s, and the financial
>d
>> nickels did not circulate there at all, as the inflationary local economy
>s one
>> of the bullet points used to promote the minting of the ill-fated 20c coi=
>ns.
>> The other primary point was that the Spanish-American 2 reales was still
>> very much in circulation out west, and when one was tendered for a 10c
>> purchase, only a dime would be returned as change.
>>
>> James
>
>I really don't want too see a dollar coin, it makes us here in the
>united states look very european. Then whats next the amero? I'm sorry
>but I'm completely against this. Their has been nothing but lies since
>the beginning about this saving us money. The only way I would except
>a dollar coin if it was made of silver. Once our government starts
>backing our money with silver and gold again. It will be worth
>something and we will be out of this economic mess.
steady value. if we were the only country doing silver, it would leave the
country as fast as made, like what happened early in our history.
we've beat it to death, but a dollar coin won't fly unless there's no paper
dollars.
i like dollar coins, but the one's i like are 38mm and not really useable.
how would our having real silver coins help? especially if we were the only
ones doing it? they wouldn't last a week before they were smelted and shipped
out.
som...@some.domain
them maria theresa's.
som...@some.domain
Mr. Jaggers
I have only two, one original and one restrike, and somewhere a website
bookmarked that explains how to tell the difference. MT, as everyone knows,
was the Empress of Austria and mother of many, among whom her son Joseph,
who was played by Jeffrey Jones in Amadeus but who, contrary to the
screenplay, did not originate the phrase accusing Mozart of writing "too
many notes," and her daughter Marie-Antoinette, who was whisked off to
France at a disgustingly young age to become the bride of the
temporarily-impotent Louis XVI and who, contrary to rumor, never said "Let
them eat cake."
James
som...@some.domain
spent his wedding night playing war......apparently all things girl terrified
him.
Mr. Jaggers
There are several accounts of his having had a "deformity" that prevented
consummation. Once that was repaired by medical science of the day, such as
it was, things functioned normally. Those accounts, of course, could have
been nothing more than a whisper campaign designed to cast a negative light
on the long-childless couple. It is likely that we will never get
definitive proof one way or the other.
James
malanu...@aol.com
I'm an ass, too, because, not only do I support rounding to the
nearest dime, but I also support eliminating the quarter, and bringing
back the 20 cent coin, which would be Hell for vendors to reprogram
for a completely new denomination. But the quarter would be a pain in
the ass, since you couldn't make change for that odd 5 cents.
Hopefully, they'll start calling this new 20 cent coin a "fifth"
"Hey buddy, I gotta make a call. You got a fifth on you?"
sgt23
> "sgt23" <bravesfandevo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
The europeans of now and 3 centuries ago are very different.
sgt23
>
> - Show quoted text -
Because then our money would actually be backed by something other
than the false hope we have in our money now. I'm sorry to say it, but
me and my generation unlike yours was able to be. Have no faith in our
government anymore. The way we are seeing it and I hear this from a
lot of my friends. We will probably never be able to retire. We have
to work and pay for the mess that our government is leaving us right
now till the day we die. Unless by some miracle someone comes alone
and figures out how to cut the deficient in half in the next few
years. This will be the only way we will have to look at this mess. So
you guys can go head make fun of my grammar or spelling and what not.
But this how I feel. No dollar coin is going to save us anything. It
may help pay for the rest of your retirement life but we are still
screwed.
som...@some.domain
>On Jan 15, 11:55=A0am, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <0bb8154e-b309-4256-9ca1-21848d3cd...@r27g2000vbp.googlegroups=
>..com>, sgt23 <bravesfandevo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Jan 14, 7:39=3DA0pm, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrot=
>e:
>> >> RWF wrote:
>> >> > "Dave Allured" <nos...@nospom.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:496E06...@nospom.com...
>> >> >> The U.S. needs to drop the paper $1 and $2 bills, and the penny,
>> >> >> nickel,
> and
>> >> >> $5 coins; and I am no longer sure about the dimes.
>>
>> >> > SO, you suggest rounding to the nearest 10 cents?
>> >> > You, sir, are an ass.
>>
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>> >> situation that existed in the West at the time. =3DA0It seems that cen=
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>> >d
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>omy
>> >> dictated that everything would be rounded to the nearest dime. =3DA0Th=
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>> >s one
>> >> of the bullet points used to promote the minting of the ill-fated 20c =
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>> >ns.
>> >> The other primary point was that the Spanish-American 2 reales was sti=
>ll
>> >> very much in circulation out west, and when one was tendered for a 10c
>> >> purchase, only a dime would be returned as change.
>>
>> >> James
>>
>> >I really don't want too see a dollar coin, it makes us here in the
>> >united states look very european. Then whats next the amero? I'm sorry
>> >but I'm completely against this. Their has been nothing but lies since
>> >the beginning about this saving us money. The only way I would except
>> >a dollar coin if it was made of silver. Once our government starts
>> >backing our money with silver and gold again. It will be worth
>> >something and we will be out of this economic mess.
>>
> a
>> steady value. if we were the only country doing silver, it would leave th=
>e
>> country as fast as made, like what happened early in our history.
>er
>> dollars.
>> i like dollar coins, but the one's i like are 38mm and not really useable=
>..
>> how would our having real silver coins help? especially if we were the on=
>ly
>> ones doing it? they wouldn't last a week before they were smelted and shi=
>pped
>> out.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Because then our money would actually be backed by something other
>than the false hope we have in our money now. I'm sorry to say it, but
>me and my generation unlike yours was able to be. Have no faith in our
>government anymore. The way we are seeing it and I hear this from a
>lot of my friends. We will probably never be able to retire. We have
>to work and pay for the mess that our government is leaving us right
>now till the day we die. Unless by some miracle someone comes alone
>and figures out how to cut the deficient in half in the next few
>years. This will be the only way we will have to look at this mess. So
>you guys can go head make fun of my grammar or spelling and what not.
>But this how I feel. No dollar coin is going to save us anything. It
>may help pay for the rest of your retirement life but we are still
>screwed.
how old do you think i am? i used silver coins for a large chunk of my life.
i retired some years ago, not by choice.
i don't remember making fun of you. i suspect you might want to look before
you jump....
sgt23
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't know how old you are but I was speaking to the majority age
group here. Which or who are mostly over 50 from what I saw on a
average age topic posted here a few months back. The reason I brought
up spelling and grammar is due to people insulting me about it awhile
back. I may have also confused you because I replyed to your post. I
was posting to the group in genral and shouldn't have replyed to your
reply but deleted your text. I apologize for the confusion.
som...@some.domain
>On Jan 15, 11:48=A0pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <db013798-dc3b-4a8b-9140-f5db1fe86...@f20g2000yqg.googlegroups=>> >On Jan 15, 11:55=3DA0am, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> >> In article <0bb8154e-b309-4256-9ca1-21848d3cd...@r27g2000vbp.googlegro=
>ups=3D>> >> >On Jan 14, 7:39=3D3DA0pm, "Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com>=
> wrot=3D
>> >e:
>> >> >> RWF wrote:
>> >> >> > "Dave Allured" <nos...@nospom.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:496E06...@nospom.com...
>> >> >> >> The U.S. needs to drop the paper $1 and $2 bills, and the penny,
>> >> >> >> nickel,
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>> > and
>> >> >> >> $5 coins; and I am no longer sure about the dimes.
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>> >> >> > You, sir, are an ass.
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>> >> >> James
>>
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>e
>> >> >the beginning about this saving us money. The only way I would except
>> >> >a dollar coin if it was made of silver. Once our government starts
>> >> >backing our money with silver and gold again. It will be worth
>> >> >something and we will be out of this economic mess.
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>> >> out.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Because then our money would actually be backed by something other
>> >than the false hope we have in our money now. I'm sorry to say it, but
>> >me and my generation unlike yours was able to be. Have no faith in our
>> >government anymore. The way we are seeing it and I hear this from a
>> >lot of my friends. We will probably never be able to retire. We have
>> >to work and pay for the mess that our government is leaving us right
>> >now till the day we die. Unless by some miracle someone comes alone
>> >and figures out how to cut the deficient in half in the next few
>> >years. This will be the only way we will have to look at this mess. So
>> >you guys can go head make fun of my grammar or spelling and what not.
>> >But this how I feel. No dollar coin is going to save us anything. It
>> >may help pay for the rest of your retirement life but we are still
>> >screwed.
>>
>fe.
>> i retired some years ago, not by choice.
>re
>> you jump....- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I don't know how old you are but I was speaking to the majority age
>group here. Which or who are mostly over 50 from what I saw on a
>average age topic posted here a few months back. The reason I brought
>up spelling and grammar is due to people insulting me about it awhile
>back. I may have also confused you because I replyed to your post. I
>was posting to the group in genral and shouldn't have replyed to your
>reply but deleted your text. I apologize for the confusion.
that's ok. i make mistooks, too.
RWF
<malanu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>I'm an ass, too,
Indeed!
Bruce Remick
_________________
How profound! Are you reading my comment to mean that all Europeans came
here en masse three centuries ago?
Bruce Remick
____________________
With that woe is me attitude, you likely will indeed get screwed since you
seem resigned to it. I retired 12 years ago and have never lost faith in
our country or government. I was raised during WW II so I, learned young
how to adapt my lifestyle to various economic conditions. I saved early on,
lived within my means, and kept my financial house in order. As long as you
rely on the government alone to keep you solvent without taking any creative
initiative yourself, all you can look forward to is more complaining.
RWF
news:db013798-dc3b-4a8b...@f20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> I'm sorry to say it, but me and my generation unlike yours was able to
> be.
I don't know what generation you are a member of (I suspect you're about
12 years old) but whatever generation it is, they surely deserve a
better spokesman than you.
rwalker
<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
><malanu...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:9298db39-0313-4113...@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
>
>> http://www.petitiononline.com/trhalfd/petition.html
>
>Bush will no longer be President as of January 20, 2009 so
>the petition is a waist of time. Today is Tuesday 01/13/2009.
>
>Theodore Roosevelt will be on the one-dollar coin in 2013.
>Source: http://www.usmint.gov/$1coin
>
>The change is not going to happen on the 50-cent piece.
>
>>
I think this same guy has been on this crusade for a decade or more
now.
sgt23
> "sgt23" <bravesfandevo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yeah if we could have it as nice as the baby boomers. I would have
loved had to live back then. But I'm not able to and can only see what
is going on now. Our economy doesn't allow for much of making it
anymore. I hate looking in the glass and seeing almost empty. But
right now from where I set, I no longer see much hope. You can flame
if you like, but its not going to change my view.
Mr. Jaggers
The world has been a hostile place since our eviction from the Garden of
Eden. Since that time, there never has been a generation born with a silver
spoon in its mouth. Oh, sure, one can always point to one individual or
another who appears to have been so born, but throughout the history of any
society you care to name, and for the vast majority of those afflicted with
being human, life has been a struggle to get ahead.
There have always been those who accept the challenges of that struggle,
rise up to figure out how to meet those challenges, and make something of
themselves, and there have always been those who resist the challenges,
believe in a Golden Age that never existed outside of fairy tales, sit
around blaming the world and refusing to take any responsibility for their
circumstances, and who live and die bitter men.
I wish I could say something here that would make you feel better about your
situation and yourself. If I were rich, I could give you one hundred
million dollars. That would certainly make you financially independent for
the rest of your life. You could do anything you wanted, have anything you
wanted. But you wouldn't be happy, of that I am certain, because it would
not be of your own making. So, in the absence of the 100 mil, you will have
to play with the hand you have been dealt, just as billions of human beings
before you. What you do with it is entirely up to you.
James
mazorj
"rwalker" <rwa...@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:h4u2n49cd9upedocb...@4ax.com...
Isn't that 7 decades in dog years?
mazorj
...
< Yeah if we could have it as nice as the baby boomers. I would have
loved had to live back then. But I'm not able to and can only see what
is going on now. Our economy doesn't allow for much of making it
anymore. I hate looking in the glass and seeing almost empty. But
right now from where I set, I no longer see much hope. You can flame
if you like, but its not going to change my view.
The part about "your view" that says that the current economic
environment sucks is accurate. What some of us older guys object to
is that your view has tunnel vision. Yours is not the only generation
that's suffering right now. The majority of all those laid off
factory and office workers and retail clerks and other occupations
that have lost jobs and career prospects are from generations well
into their 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. They have families and the huge
responsibilities that come later in life, so they had more to lose
than you do. They might complain about it - like you, they have a
right to - but you're coming across as more of a cry-baby whiner who
has foolishly thrown away all hope just because we're no longer in the
Golden Age for job hunters.
True, times used to be better for my generation, but we had our
recessions during which pickings were lean. Even in the best times,
hiring for specific occupations rose and fell with market demand for
those occupations; and too bad if you came out of college with a
degree in something that was a hot prospect 5 years ago but now was a
drug on the market. I put myself through college while working
part-time and living on my own. We didn't give that a second thought.
It was assumed that unless your parents were affluent or you snagged a
full scholarship, that was what you did if you were lucky enough not
to get your ass drafted and killed in Vietnam. We didn't run around
saying the sky is falling. We sucked it in, made do for the time
being if our upward mobility was stalled, and adapted to the changing
conditions. IOW, we didn't let anything defeat us, we dealt with it.
You know I haven't been bashing your coin posts here, so this isn't a
flame job. It's straight talk - a form of "tough love" if you insist
on a label. Suck it in and pull up your socks, man. Stop thinking
that the world revolves around you and owes you a living, because
there are plenty of us older folks in the same crappy situation.
Don't try to tell the generation whose parents survived the real
Depression how bad it is for you. Even if we were spared the worst of
those times, we know how bad it could be and how the real survivors
dealt with it.
So if you want to get any respect here, stop acting like a spoiled
child, keep looking, don't give up hope, and just deal with it. Keep
up your coin posts, lose the self-pity act, and you won't get these
chastising replies from us old farts.
Bruce Remick
__________________
You claim our "economy doesn't allow for much of making it anymore."
If you don't think so, just take a look at all the no-talent individuals who
are raking in big money as rock groups that can't sing, YouTube & Facebook
addicts that got lucky, etc. by daring to take chances and go for the gold.
Many made it, many didn't. You just seem resigned to sit back and wait for
someone to lift you up into success, while others who may have fewer skills
than you are taking the initiative to make that silk purse out of the sow's
ear. So when prosperity doesn't fall in your lap, you blame the economy and
country and express envy for baby boomers (I was born long before them) who
probably had fewer opportunities than you do. As long as you're locked into
never changing your views, you have no credibility complaining about your
situation.
RWF
>Yeah if we could have it as nice as the baby boomers. I would have
>loved had to live back then. But I'm not able to and can only see what
>is going on now. Our economy doesn't allow for much of making it
>anymore. I hate looking in the glass and seeing almost empty. But
>right now from where I set, I no longer see much hope. You can flame
>if you like, but its not going to change my view.
Well, when you go thru life uneducated, semi-literate and self-pitying,
life can indeed be tough.
Anybody else note that malanutt and sarge are one and the same person?
Mr. Jaggers
Probability of .0000000001, due to the huge differences in style, interests,
and attitudes.
James
RWF
"Mr. Jaggers" <lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com> wrote in message
news:gksq6...@enews2.newsguy.com...
I disagree.
Thye are both half-wits, semi-literate and probably about 12 years old.
sgt23
wrong in whining about it. But like everyone else right now I keep
feeling like everything is getting worse. It keeps making me think
with all this money that our government keeps spending who is going to
pay for it? Are they really putting all this money in the right
places? I have also been trying to avoid this but RWF would you
stfup please? I'm not 12 years old I am 28, and unlike you I don't
create names to hide my identity so I can keep annoying people on this
group. RWF when it seem you have decided to act like a decent person,
your mouth has a way over running its self. So like I've asked for
don't reply to my messages if you do not like me!?
Bruce Remick
>I agree maybe I have been over reacting to this situation and I was
> wrong in whining about it. But like everyone else right now I keep
> feeling like everything is getting worse. It keeps making me think
> with all this money that our government keeps spending who is going to
> pay for it? Are they really putting all this money in the right
> places?
Until they come asking you for money, don't lose sleep over it. In hard
times, channel your concerns toward things that affect you personally and
which you can control. You're wasting your time worrying about things you
have no control over. Unless you simply want to.
sgt23
> "sgt23" <bravesfandevo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I don't really want to, but I wish was 12 as RWF would like to think.
That way I could be carefree and not have a worry in the world. That
is what sucks about getting older.
Mr. Jaggers
As I reflect upon my past, I find that age 12 was the absolute worst period
of my life. I had the worst sixth grade teacher imaginable, an incompetent
prettyboy who belittled at every opportunity, the only one who ever hit me,
and he did it all in front of my peers. On more than one occasion he picked
the biggest kid (who was somewhat retarded, handicapped and overweight) in
the room up off the floor and body slammed him against the chalkboard, for
nothing worse than farting in class. My teeth were bad, and I often had to
wait until my parents could scrape enough money together to send me to the
dentist, who employed that wonderful dental technology of the 1950s. The
Russians had just invaded Hungary, and we were hearing stories about how
they took people to their kitchen sinks, forced their mouths around the
faucet, and turned on hot water full blast. I remember wondering if their
tanks might come into my town, and whether our house could withstand. Oh, I
almost forgot, that was the same year that hormones were starting to rage,
and I had no idea what was happening to me.
Yep, I didn't have a worry in the world back then. Now it is a half century
later and life just sucks something fierce. I came to realize that I had
come into this world naked, wet, and hungry, and after that, things went
downhill. Hey, I understand there's a newsgroup called alt.life.sucks.
Sometimes their members show up here, crossposted to RCC, I'm sure you've
seen them from time to time. Guess I'll go over there and see if I can get
some sympathy. Wanna join me?
Count your blessings, sgt.
James
RWF
>I don't really want to, but I wish was 12 as RWF would like to think.
Cheer up sarge, you have the mentality of a 12 year old and that's a
start!
RWF
>I'm not 12 years old I am 28,
You have an IQ of 28 perhaps but we all know you're just a pimply-faced
little squirt.
Bruce Remick
__________________
If I were 12 today, and even casually aware of the world situation, I'd be
scared to death. Twelve-year-olds can have real concerns and fears that are
important to them in their own little world, even if others might consider
them trivial or unfounded. Make the best of whatever hand your dealt and
you'll find it easier to live with yourself.
sgt23
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry I wasn't trying to compare my child hood to anyone else's. I was
just explaining how I wish things now were more like my childhood when
I was carefree and had less to worry about. I feel sorry for you and
am thankful growing up for me wasn't like when you were a kid. Back
when the Cuban Crisis was going on and many other horrible things.
Also I have never heard of the group your talking about, but I have
seen the idiots cross-posting.
sgt23
> "sgt23" <bravesfandevo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
WOW IQ insults. Even the 2nd graders are getting access to the usenet
now.
sgt23
I was 12 years old in 1992. That was a completely different time. I
think this subjects has got along ways away from $1 coins and halves
with mutts on them. How about us talking some coins instead? PLEASE?!
Mr. Jaggers
In another post you mentioned that you are 28 years old, certainly old
enough to have now seen a sample of what the world has to offer. I was
going to mention that my supervisor had taken me aside and told me that my
job was going to be cut due to bad economic times - on my 29th birthday.
Now, enough of this Pity Party. Tell you what - let's agree that life can
throw some nasty stuff at us and make us feel really bad sometimes. But,
the minute we start complaining, somebody else comes along who can top any
problem we have or have had. We can fantasize about some person we know of,
and how they've got things so easy, while we've got it so hard, and never
know of the horrible things they might be going through - cancer, divorce,
bankruptcy, job loss, death of a child. The study of the Human Condition is
the study of constant struggle for survival in a very hostile, uncaring
world. It is our job, individually and collectively, to rise up to overcome
whatever life throws at us. As for me, in spite of all I've seen and
suffered through, I wouldn't want to be anyone else, or trade my situation
for anybody else's. Nor would I wish to go back in time and be me at any
other age. In my philosophy, these are the good old days.
The ancient Romans had a motto that is appropriate to this discussion:
Carpe diem, meaning "Seize the day", loosely interpreted as "grab the
opportunity to make of today the best it can be." To swing this back on
topic, it's one of many reasons that we collect coins, which often provides
an escape and refuge from the ravages of life.
James
RWF
> WOW IQ insults. Even the 2nd graders are getting access to the usenet
> now.
Indeed!
Bruce Remick
________________
The Cuban Crisis? I was in the Army back then getting ready to deploy to
Florida if need be. The "Crisis" lasted merely a few days and didn't really
worry anyone who wasn't glued to a TV or newspaper. It was hardly a
horrible milestone in most peoples' lives. I would say that the Vietnam War
years affected more people by far. You lucked out there.
Bruce Remick
_______________
Sure. Scrolling back a ways though, it appears to have been you who drifted
from the topic with your lament about our country's economic future, your
lost youth, the bleak future, etc.
Have you completed a BU/Proof birth year coin set already? What would it
be, 1980? You're young enough yet to enjoy admiring it for many more years.