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oly

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Oct 8, 2010, 9:59:17 PM10/8/10
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This strikes me the wrong way. Am I wrong?

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-REALES-MADRID1793-CARLOS-IV-COUNTERMARK-GEROGE-III-/350395302439?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5195300227

oly

Bob

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Oct 8, 2010, 10:19:30 PM10/8/10
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On Oct 8, 8:59 pm, oly <oly2...@aol.com> wrote:
> This strikes me the wrong way.  Am I wrong?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/4-REALES-MADRID1793-CARLOS-IV-COUNTERMARK-GEROGE-...
>
> oly

Oly, I don't like it one bit. In the first place, this countermark is
not supposed to appear on anything but 8 reales coins. In the second
place, this is not a Spanish-American 4 reales, but a Spanish 4
reales, worth less. In the third place, the Numismatic Circular has
run two articles this year exposing fake Scottish countermarks
originating in Spain (but I don't know the seller).

And that's before we get to the countermark itself, which looks VERY
strange.

I wish that there was a way we could get these people off eBay.

Bob Leonard

Peter

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Oct 9, 2010, 10:23:55 AM10/9/10
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Not quite sure what you mean by "very strange". My (2004) copy of
Krause Mishler doesn't show that countermark at all. Could it be a
countermark used somewhere else than Scotland?

oly

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Oct 9, 2010, 10:37:05 AM10/9/10
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It certainly raised my eyebrows, but it's not an area where I have
much knowledge or chance to see or handle such items. I'm glad that
such an eminent numismatist shares my suspicions.

See what you find when you mis-type "George" as "Geroge"!!! And I was
looking for "George IV" at that.

For Peter: IMHO the host coin isn't right (not an 8R and anyhoots
probably not genuine) and the countermark lacks the detail and
definition that it should have unless the coin were heavily
circulated. The countermark is flat and gooney-looking.

oly

Zapp Brannigan

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Oct 9, 2010, 11:00:07 AM10/9/10
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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>For Peter: IMHO the host coin isn't right (not an 8R and anyhoots
probably not genuine) and the countermark lacks the detail and
definition that it should have unless the coin were heavily
circulated. The countermark is flat and gooney-looking.


I don't know about the countermark but the coin itself appears to be a fake,
probably from our good friends over in China.


oly

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Oct 9, 2010, 12:14:03 PM10/9/10
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On Oct 9, 10:00 am, "Zapp Brannigan" <j...@one.more> wrote:
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message

My thought on the putative 4R as well. Plus the private auction
status. How do these people keep their perfect feedback records?

oly

Bob

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Oct 9, 2010, 7:26:52 PM10/9/10
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It is an English counterstamp, not Scottish, but the market for fake
counterstamp makers in Spain would be the same.

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