FS: US Gold (Details)
tony cooper
Closing tomorrow are four of my auctions for US Gold graded (Details)
by ANACS.
1928 $2.50 Gold AU 58 (Details)
1885 $1.00 Gold AU 55 (Details)
1886 $10.00 Gold AU 55 (Details)
1881 $10.00 Gold EF 45 (Details)
http://shop.ebay.com/tony_cooper/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25
Thanks for looking.
The last batch of four all sold despite Oly's vituperative comments
about the coins and the prices and Reid's spit-spluttering over the
term (Details). Goes to show who to pay attention to.
All paid promptly, three of the four left positive feedback, and the
fourth left no feedback. No complaints or returns. No questions from
bidders about what (Details) means.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
oly
Say Tony, how many of the bids are you acting as your own shill??? oly
Reid Goldsborough
> Say Tony, how many of the bids are you acting as your own shill??? oly
I don't see any evidence for shilling, but Tony sure has a good eye for
quality coins! I know, I know. Somebody has to specialize in selling
junk. Details, details.
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Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide
Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom
Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos
oly
wrote:
Well, we already had another frequent poster poseur who specializes in
junk and vids. We don't need two. oly
Beanie
"tony cooper" <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Once more into the fray...
>
> Closing tomorrow are four of my auctions for US Gold graded (Details)
> by ANACS.
>
> 1928 $2.50 Gold AU 58 (Details)
> 1885 $1.00 Gold AU 55 (Details)
> 1886 $10.00 Gold AU 55 (Details)
> 1881 $10.00 Gold EF 45 (Details)
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/tony_cooper/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25
>
> Thanks for looking.
I won't criticize you for selling really crappy coins, since they are adequately
described and sellers are aware (or should be) of what they are bidding on.
Your shipping seems a tad excessive, no strike that, your shipping charge is
exorbitant.
But it is, at least, stated up front.
I wouldn't buy those coins at anything other than their melt value (and maybe
not even then) but don't understand why some other posters are having
conniptions over your auctions.
Bremick
"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:iglhp4$o4v$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Makes one wonder why anyone would have paid to submit such obviously cruddy
coins to a TPG. Likely worth little more than melt, any bullion buyer would
be able to authenticate these things without the need to pay a TPG to do so.
And I agree about the shipping charges, especially with an auction likely to
bring several hundred dollars, but then to each his own.
oly
> "Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in messagenews:iglhp4$o4v$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> > "tony cooper" <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
For the tyros that the OP is trolling to hook, the lower-tier TPG
lends an aura of credibility to something that should otherwise raise
a bunch of red flags.
BTW, been on spokeo.com trying to figure out exactly which Anthony
Cooper in Orlando, Florida whom the OP actually is. Amazingly, there
are six or seven people by that name down there.
oly
tony cooper
>
>"tony cooper" <tony_co...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:g64si6lqi4m9ckt3l...@4ax.com...
>> Once more into the fray...
>>
>> Closing tomorrow are four of my auctions for US Gold graded (Details)
>> by ANACS.
>>
>> 1928 $2.50 Gold AU 58 (Details)
>> 1885 $1.00 Gold AU 55 (Details)
>> 1886 $10.00 Gold AU 55 (Details)
>> 1881 $10.00 Gold EF 45 (Details)
>>
>> http://shop.ebay.com/tony_cooper/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25
>>
>> Thanks for looking.
>
>I won't criticize you for selling really crappy coins, since they are adequately
>described and sellers are aware (or should be) of what they are bidding on.
>Your shipping seems a tad excessive, no strike that, your shipping charge is
>exorbitant.
Shipping by US Priority Mail (small box) is $5.20, insurance for $500
is 6.70, and delivery confirmation is .70. Total: $12.60. I charge
the buyer $12.00. I use the $500 figure for insurance as a
representative price; some coins sell for more, some for less. The
shipping conditions and price are stated in the ad.
Over the long run, I think I about break even on shipping, but I've
never kept track.
>But it is, at least, stated up front.
>I wouldn't buy those coins at anything other than their melt value (and maybe
>not even then) but don't understand why some other posters are having
>conniptions over your auctions.
I don't either. Any coin that sells at any price is something the
buyer wants and is willing to pay for.
Reid Goldsborough
> I don't see any evidence for shilling, but Tony sure has a good eye for
> quality coins! I know, I know. Somebody has to specialize in selling
> junk. Details, details.
Let me correct myself. It's not "junk." That's a value judgment. One
person's junk is another person's treasure. Junk and treasure are both
largely subjective terms, and though there can be widespread agreement,
it's unfair to label in this way what others specialize in.
I should have said that Tony appears to be trying to corner the market
not on junk coins but on damaged coins. He's a latter-day Nelson Bunker
Hunt. Watch out, you other dumpster divers. Oops, there I go again.
Seriously, though, I have some damaged coins myself, and like them for
the reasons I said earlier. They're visually interesting counterparts to
coins of the same type that have beautifully preserved surfaces. The
various ways that coins can become damaged can also be interesting
commentary on the lives of coins in general.
Beanie
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:42:25 -0500, "Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote:
>>I won't criticize you for selling really crappy coins, since they are
>>adequately
>>described and sellers are aware (or should be) of what they are bidding on.
>>Your shipping seems a tad excessive, no strike that, your shipping charge is
>>exorbitant.
>
> Shipping by US Priority Mail (small box) is $5.20, insurance for $500
> is 6.70, and delivery confirmation is .70. Total: $12.60. I charge
> the buyer $12.00. I use the $500 figure for insurance as a
> representative price; some coins sell for more, some for less. The
> shipping conditions and price are stated in the ad.
Try shipping 1st Class in a padded mailer.
Bubble mailers are cheap - esp. when bought in bulk - the Dollar Tree by me
sells ones big enough for coins for 3 for a buck.
Postage would be about $1.25.
Insurance and delivery confirmation would be the same, of course.
See, I just knocked off almost $4 from your delivery costs - you can thank me
later.
tony cooper
<reidgol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 1/12/2011 5:29 PM, Reid Goldsborough wrote:
>> I don't see any evidence for shilling, but Tony sure has a good eye for
>> quality coins! I know, I know. Somebody has to specialize in selling
>> junk. Details, details.
>
>Let me correct myself. It's not "junk." That's a value judgment. One
>person's junk is another person's treasure. Junk and treasure are both
>largely subjective terms, and though there can be widespread agreement,
>it's unfair to label in this way what others specialize in.
That's true. I have no objection to people who have, collect, or
offer to sell, holed coins or "bogos". It's been quite a while, but I
sent (as a gift) someone on this group a flattened coin because he
collects them. It's not for me to say that his interest is misplaced.
>I should have said that Tony appears to be trying to corner the market
>not on junk coins but on damaged coins.
I'm selling, not buying, the coins. The last time we went round on
this I explained why I'm selling these coins and keeping the gold
coins that aren't problem coins. I'll take the flak, but I don't want
my heirs to. I certainly wouldn't want them to acquire a stalker like
Oly.
>Seriously, though, I have some damaged coins myself, and like them for
>the reasons I said earlier. They're visually interesting counterparts to
>coins of the same type that have beautifully preserved surfaces. The
>various ways that coins can become damaged can also be interesting
>commentary on the lives of coins in general.
--
tony cooper
Shipping a slabbed coin in a padded mailer may be your choice, but it
isn't mine. I feel the Priority Mail box is a better way to package
for coins sold for several hundred dollars. The feedback given to me
often mentions careful packaging and quick delivery. I've not had a
comment or complaint from a buyer* or a bidder on my choice of
shipping methods or the cost of shipping for any coin. No one -
except you - has called the charge "exorbitant", and you aren't
bidding. Are you?
*In 2003, a buyer neg'd me for charging the $6.00 Priority Mail
shipping fee that was stated in the ad and short-paid. The item
wasn't a coin, though. Had he requested 1st Class, I would have done
so. He didn't say anything until feedback time.
Beanie
>> No one -
> except you - has called the charge "exorbitant", and you aren't
> bidding. Are you?
I can buy junk US gold coins at my local dealer at a tad over melt, so I have no
need to buy your way-over-melt gold and pay $12 to boot.
I have never rec'd a coin in a bubble mailer that has been damaged in transit.
When I mail coins in bubble mailers, I wrap an extra layer of bubble wrap around
the slab and have never had any complaints.
OTOH I have no objection to your listing your coins here or getting them slabbed
by ANACS or charging whatever you want to mail them.
Speaking of ANACS, I'm satisfied with their grading, unlike some posters here.
They do a great job on modern (post WWII) issues, especially varieties.
The earlier slabs were conservatively graded, the latest ones seem to be jumping
on the market grading bandwagon.
tony cooper
>Makes one wonder why anyone would have paid to submit such obviously cruddy
>coins to a TPG.
I would think you would know the reason. Ads for coins listed for
sale on eBay cannot contain a numeric grade in the title of the
listing unless they are certified by an accepted TPG.
An ad competes with hundreds of other ads for coins, so it is
advantageous to include a numeric grade in the title. The object of
listing is to sell the item, and the item has to be noticed to sell.
Also, counterfeit gold coins are not at all unknown. A slabbed and
TPG graded coin assures the bidder that the coin is authentic. The
image of a raw coin can be altered in Photoshop. On eBay, one is
bidding on coins that cannot be examined, so any assurance of true
condition is beneficial to the buyer...especially for coins listed for
several hundred dollars.
There is no requirement for me to include "Details" or "Problem coin"
in the title or the text. I do include that in both title and text,
though, make it clear about what I'm offering. I also include the
reason for this distinction.
oly
And has been pointed out here many times already, "details" has no
meaning except to very knowledgeable collectors.
And you've never placed the words "Problem Coin" in the title. Now
THAT would be clear, compared to your self-serving dissimulation.
You are looking to take advantage of tyros and newbies, plain and
simple.
oly
tony cooper
>On Jan 18, 11:48 am, tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:00:39 -0500, "Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>> >Makes one wonder why anyone would have paid to submit such obviously cruddy
>> >coins to a TPG.
>>
>> I would think you would know the reason. Ads for coins listed for
>> sale on eBay cannot contain a numeric grade in the title of the
>> listing unless they are certified by an accepted TPG.
>>
>> An ad competes with hundreds of other ads for coins, so it is
>> advantageous to include a numeric grade in the title. The object of
>> listing is to sell the item, and the item has to be noticed to sell.
>>
>> Also, counterfeit gold coins are not at all unknown. A slabbed and
>> TPG graded coin assures the bidder that the coin is authentic. The
>> image of a raw coin can be altered in Photoshop. On eBay, one is
>> bidding on coins that cannot be examined, so any assurance of true
>> condition is beneficial to the buyer...especially for coins listed for
>> several hundred dollars.
>>
>> There is no requirement for me to include "Details" or "Problem coin"
>> in the title or the text. I do include that in both title and text,
>> though, make it clear about what I'm offering. I also include the
>> reason for this distinction.
>
>And has been pointed out here many times already, "details" has no
>meaning except to very knowledgeable collectors.
Perhaps you can't make the connection between "Details" and the text
addition of "This coin has been graded AU 55 (Details) and noted as
'Cleaned'", but it doesn't take much knowledge to do so.
Your argument about "Details" vs "Problem coin" would be more
appropriately addressed to ANACS. That is their choice of terms and
what they put on the slab.
Bremick
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:00:39 -0500, "Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>Makes one wonder why anyone would have paid to submit such obviously
>>cruddy
>>coins to a TPG.
>
> I would think you would know the reason. Ads for coins listed for
> sale on eBay cannot contain a numeric grade in the title of the
> listing unless they are certified by an accepted TPG.
What does that have to do with the fact that the coins simply looked cruddy,
in a graded slab or not.
>
> An ad competes with hundreds of other ads for coins, so it is
> advantageous to include a numeric grade in the title. The object of
> listing is to sell the item, and the item has to be noticed to sell.
That's your call. The coins still looked cruddy and IMO it was a waste of
money to get them slabbed. Yours may vary.
>
> Also, counterfeit gold coins are not at all unknown. A slabbed and
> TPG graded coin assures the bidder that the coin is authentic. The
> image of a raw coin can be altered in Photoshop. On eBay, one is
> bidding on coins that cannot be examined, so any assurance of true
> condition is beneficial to the buyer...especially for coins listed for
> several hundred dollars.
Then sell them raw to a dealer or jeweler. The TPG fee and eBay/PayPal fee
savings should about offset the dealer discounted offer.
>
> There is no requirement for me to include "Details" or "Problem coin"
> in the title or the text. I do include that in both title and text,
> though, make it clear about what I'm offering. I also include the
> reason for this distinction.
There may be no legal requirement, but there is a moral requirement that a
seller not hide or avoid mentioning a term like "details", "cleaned", etc.
if it appears on the TPG label. I suspect that anyone who bought your items
had the melting pot in mind anyway, so any problems are probably moot. You
shouldn't let all this bother you so much. Just go on with whatever pleases
you. No need to apologize to us or to seek our approval.
tony cooper
>What does that have to do with the fact that the coins simply looked cruddy,
>in a graded slab or not.
That really should be blamed on my photography, not the coins. The
photography is execrable. At the time I sent the coins off for
slabbing (several years ago), I was using a cheap point-and-shoot and
knew nothing about lighting or technique.
The results got me interested in photography, but it's too late to
photograph them raw. I've since upgraded my photographic equipment
and worked on close-up and macro photography. I'd like to think I
could do a much better job now. Photography, but not coin
photography, has become my major hobby area.
>You shouldn't let all this bother you so much. Just go on with whatever pleases
>you.
Oh, I am. I'll continue to list using the same format until all the
coins I want to move out are gone.
>No need to apologize to us or to seek our approval.
I don't think I owe any apology. If a coin sells on eBay, it sells
because someone wants that coin for the price they're bidding, and
I've sold several coins. One closed Friday at over $700.
I'm not particularly worried about the group's attitude. It's not
like everyone here has nothing but MS coins and never sells a
low-grade coin.
oly
When they hear "Tony Cooper - Orlando Florida" people should put their
hands over their wallets and keep them there until you leave.
It's NOT the low grade or problem coins that are the sin.
It's the prevarication, misrepresentation and overpricing - and those
are human failings, not the shortfall of some inanimate object.
The sin isn't in the item being sold.
It's in the seller.
And, may you live to see the day when you'll wish you had every gram
of this gold back in your possession.
oly