why aren't nickels in Silver Proof Sets 90% silver?
yawnmoth
that the nickel consists of 25% nickel and balance copper, whereas all
the other silver colored coins consist of 90% silver and balance
copper. Any ideas as to why this is?
oly
Traditionally, the five cent coin never was 90% silver. Only the
traditional silver denominations are represented in silver. Color has
nothing to do with it.
oly
Edwin Johnston
But if they were truly being traditional, they'd have made the cent out
of 95% copper instead of copper coated zinc.
Arizona Coin Collector
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Hello
On U.S. Mint silver coins.
The U.S. Mint makes both "clad proof" and "Silver
proof" coins. The "clad proof" coins do not contain
silver in them. "Clad proof" coins contains a
mixture of different metals such as copper
and nickel. Despite their appearance, "clad proof"
coins do not contain silver.
Since 1992, the San Francisco facility has produced
an annual set called the United States Mint Silver
Proof Set. For this collection, the dime,
quarter-dollar and half-dollar coins are all struck
from lustrous 90% silver, also known as coin silver.
Since 1999, this set has contained silver versions
of all five coins issued as part of the 50 State
Quarters Program.
Both pure silver, and pure gold, are very soft
metals. Copper is added as a hardener to both gold
and silver coins. The ratio mix is usually 90/10
(90% silver - 10% copper). Otherwise, pure gold or
silver coins would be to soft and easy to
deface.
.
RWF
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Gee thanks Mr. Science!
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and even with the hardening, people were shaving, hollowing out and even
splitting coins in half to steal gold right up to the day gold was recalled to
the mint. i know someone who collects coins that were nicked, one of each
variety of nicking he can find. he has a saint with a lead interior.
Arizona Coin Collector
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> Gee thanks Mr. Science!
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> and even with the hardening, people were shaving, hollowing out and even
> splitting coins in half to steal gold right up to the day gold was
> recalled to
> the mint. i know someone who collects coins that were nicked, one of each
> variety of nicking he can find. he has a saint with a lead interior.
Hello
I have often though of taking a job with the United
States Mint. I could not afford the move from
Phoenix to Denver (or any other place). The economy
is just to bad, and I am to poor to take such a risk of
moving at this time.
My education, and 20-plus years of experience has been
in Electronics. My last employer was a small manufacturing
contractor that did both electronic circuit cards, and sheet
metal enclosures. A very strange combination. He also did
wet and power paint as well.
I will be telling my grandnieces when they go to college,
to take a profession that cannot be exported out of the
United States. That is what I should have done when I
was young. :(
..
som...@some.domain
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or nursing. chronic shortage of nurses and when the boomer die off gets
rolling, ka-ching!
if they are inclined, pa's and drs, too.
oly
Very frankly, I am reasonably certain that the Mint could do a good
sale of traditional copper cents. Maybe make two or three million per
annum and sell them in $25 or $50 bags at five cents per coin. I wish
that they would do next year's four commemorative cents in good
bronze. It would be a boost to the elongated coin rollers, for sure.
oly
Paul Ciszek
In article <uZWdnYGrhepu4sjU...@earthlink.com>,
>metals. Copper is added as a hardener to both gold
>and silver coins. The ratio mix is usually 90/10
>(90% silver - 10% copper). Otherwise, pure gold or
>silver coins would be to soft and easy to
>deface.
Last time the issue of gold content of jewelry came up in another
newsgroup, the same statement was made--that pure gold was too soft
to make anything out of--and the reply was "Only Americans seem to
have that problem". Allegedly jewelers in India, etc. have no
problem making jewelry out of pure gold. I don't know who to
believe.
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oly
> In article <uZWdnYGrhepu4sjUnZ2dnUVZ_j2dn...@earthlink.com>,
It is partly a cultural thing - in India, women apparently like to
have their jewelry remade every few years (according to National
Geographic) and thus the fact that higher grade gold jewelery WILL
tend to lose its shape is not so much of an issue. Anything over 18
karat is relatively soft when it comes to jewelry that is worn often.
oly
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> Last time the issue of gold content of jewelry came up in another
> newsgroup, the same statement was made--that pure gold was too soft
> to make anything out of--and the reply was "Only Americans seem to
> have that problem". Allegedly jewelers in India, etc. have no
> problem making jewelry out of pure gold. I don't know who to
> believe.
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Apparently, the US Mint used to know how to make circulating coins out
of pure gold as well...
http://www.coinflation.com/gold_coin_values.html
Seems like the real reason for adding copper to gold coins was the
Mint equivalent of adding bread crumbs to meat loaf ...
Paul Ciszek
In article <15fe6c48-9939-42c9...@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com>,
oly <oly...@aol.com> wrote:
>On Dec 27, 11:06 am, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
>> In article <uZWdnYGrhepu4sjUnZ2dnUVZ_j2dn...@earthlink.com>,
>> Arizona Coin Collector <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >Both pure silver, and pure gold, are very soft
>> >metals. Copper is added as a hardener to both gold
>> >and silver coins. The ratio mix is usually 90/10
>> >(90% silver - 10% copper). Otherwise, pure gold or
>> >silver coins would be to soft and easy to
>> >deface.
>>
>> Last time the issue of gold content of jewelry came up in another
>> newsgroup, the same statement was made--that pure gold was too soft
>> to make anything out of--and the reply was "Only Americans seem to
>> have that problem". Allegedly jewelers in India, etc. have no
>> problem making jewelry out of pure gold. I don't know who to
>> believe.
>
>have their jewelry remade every few years (according to National
>Geographic) and thus the fact that higher grade gold jewelery WILL
>tend to lose its shape is not so much of an issue. Anything over 18
>karat is relatively soft when it comes to jewelry that is worn often.
Would 90% gold work out to 21.6 karat, or is it not that simple?
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> Would 90% gold work out to 21.6 karat, or is it not that simple?
>
It's that simple...
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The cents in next years annual coin sets will be 95% copper / 5% tin
and zinc:
http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/lincolnRedesign/
They should do the cents that way every year.
Bruce Farley
Edwin Johnston
I think perhaps only one of next year's cents will be issued in 95%
copper (not always sure about how legislation is written, then actually
enacted).
In any case, it will likely sell for more than 5 cents, and I'm guessing
some type of proof coin or satin finish, so as to charge way too much
money to purchase by the roll quantity.
RWF
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>Apparently, the US Mint used to know how to make circulating coins out
>of pure gold as well...
The US Mint has never made circulating coinage of unalloyed gold.
Pure gold is far too soft to last in circulation, so copper was added to
toughen it up.
Frank Provasek
>
> Apparently, the US Mint used to know how to make circulating coins out
> of pure gold as well...
>
The US Mint never made circulating coins of pure gold, only the recent
Buffalo nickel-design bullion coins.
Edwin Johnston
It may turn out as you allege, but from the link it does not say so
specifically. It could be a single proof cent and a single satin finish
cent and still fit the description on the Mint's website.
Jon Purkey
wrote:
With what they'll probably charge for the 36-coin mint sets you would
think they could do them all in copper.
Aladdin Sane
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We could go back to the days when we all carried pouches of gold dust and
assay scales.
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yawnmoth
> Arizona Coin Collector <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Both pure silver, and pure gold, are very soft
> >metals. Copper is added as a hardener to both gold
> >and silver coins. The ratio mix is usually 90/10
> >(90% silver - 10% copper). Otherwise, pure gold or
> >silver coins would be to soft and easy to
> >deface.
>
> Last time the issue of gold content of jewelry came up in another
> newsgroup, the same statement was made--that pure gold was too soft
> to make anything out of--and the reply was "Only Americans seem to
> have that problem". Allegedly jewelers in India, etc. have no
> problem making jewelry out of pure gold. I don't know who to
> believe.
That's always struck me as odd. Jewelry, in the states, is usually
done at 14k, in my experience. Circulating gold coins were done at
22k. If jewelry is less prone to damage than coins are (and
intuitively, it seems that it would be), than it seems that they could
use higher caret gold than circulating gold coins - probably even
24k. So why don't they?
gogu
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I don't know why but I can tell you that not only in the US jewelry is
(generally) manufactured with 14K gold.
In many countries in the old Europe most of the jewels are made also from
14K gold, the rest is made of 18K gold.
Same reasoning: higher grade gold would result in "softer" jewels thus
jewels faster deteriorating...
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More profit for the jewelers probably.
Harv
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I see there were plenty of other replies.. but I'll just add this..
A few years go, I forget how many, The Jefferson Full Step Nickel Club, who
always has a table at the Long Beach Coin Shows.. issued a limited Edition
series of the Jefferson Nickel based on Felix Schlag's original design,
which was rejected back in 1938.. Too bad, because it was much prettier than
the design that The Mint kicked him into changing it to.. On his original
design, he used an Art Deco style lettering for all the mottos, and
Monticello is shown at an oblique angle, rather than head-on.. The JFSNC
coins are not legal tender, but they are the exact dimensions of circulating
Nickels, and are stamped "JFSNC" in small incuse (I think) letters on
Jefferson's bust or somewhere like that.. ALL of them were serial numbered
and slabbed by SEGS.. none were sold raw.. they produced them in both Matte
Proof (Unc.) and regular Proof.. the slab labels did not have any grades..
just serial numbers.. and JFSNC attribution.. I forget how many of each they
made.. anyway, they are all 90% Silver.. I have a matched-number pair of
them bought at one of the Long Beach shows years ago.. and as far as I know,
they are still available.. something like $25.00 each.. maybe more, maybe
sold out, dunno.. I'd have to go dig them outta the safe and check the
receipt.. occasionally they show up on eBay.. I vaguely remember that when
they came out, one could buy a matched number pair, and really low serial
numbers (on the slab labels, not on the coins..) .. might have been a bit
pricier.. or not.. I don't know if the JFSNC still sells them, or if they
eventually sold them all.. some Googling should get you the information if
you care or want to bother seeking them out..
Besides the absence of any 90% legal tender Silver Nickels, as best I can
recall, the SBA was never issued in Silver at all..
HNY
HTH
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TTFN
Harv
PC
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On Dec 27, 12:40 pm, nos...@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek) wrote:
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> Would 90% gold work out to 21.6 karat, or is it not that simple?
>
It's that simple...
>>>>
The karat may be antiquated and has long outlived it usefulness but the math
behind it is sound.
PC
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> Would 90% gold work out to 21.6 karat, or is it not that simple?
>
Actually probably not that simple. Some unscrupulous dealer no doubt
exploits the karat and its horrible relationship with a modern percentage
scale and sells 20 karat gold as 90% pure.