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Alfred Regnery

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Feb 5, 2011, 11:39:09 AM2/5/11
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These are exciting times for patriotic Americans who continue to honor and
revere President Ronald Reagan. February 6, 2011, will mark the 100th
anniversary of Reagan's birth. As we observe the Ronald Reagan Centennial,
we are presented with a renewed opportunity to celebrate his ideals,
recognize his achievements, and preserve his legacy.
About the Artist
Elizabeth Jones

When President Reagan appointed Elizabeth Jones Chief Engraver of the United
States Mint in 1981, she was already revered as one of the world's finest
medallic sculptors. Ever since her days as an art student in Rome, she had
devoted her talent to bas relief sculpture for medals and Coins. After
completing her studies at Rome's unique Scuola dell'Arte della Medaglia, a
school inside the Italian mint, the young American artist went on to win
numerous prestigious commissions for her spirited medallic portraits. And by
1972, she was named Sculptor of the Year by the American Numismatic Society.

During her ten years at the U.S. Mint, Elizabeth Jones's coins gained
further recognition for their beauty. Her distinctive designs included the
only three US coins to ever win the International Medallion of the Year
Award.


To honor Ronald Reagan during his centennial celebration, Eagle Publishing
has partnered with the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation to introduce a
stunning tribute to the 40th President of the United States. The Ronald
Reagan "Great Moments" Commemorative Coins are heirloom-quality
commemoratives that memorialize two of Reagan's greatest achievements...


On the morning of his inauguration, Ronald Wilson Reagan addressed a nation
shadowed by inflation, heavy taxes, and self-destructive foreign policies.
And, as he foretold the bright future he would bring to America, sunlight
burst through the dark clouds above.

In June of 1987, President Reagan stood before the Brandenburg Gate. There
he challenged Mikhail Gorbachev to end the tyranny symbolized by the Berlin
Wall. Two years later, crumbled by Reagan's firm policy, this wall - and the
Communist regime it stood for - came tumbling down.


These prophetic occasions represent two of the great triumphs of Ronald
Reagan's presidency - as well as his insight into men's hearts ... his great
vision ... his strength. And now they lend their splendor to a very special
series of collectibles that honor the legacy of this great American - The
Ronald Reagan "Great Moments" Commemorative Coins.

Elizabeth Jones - the renowned artist Reagan appointed Chief Engraver of the
United States Mint - was commissioned to design the Ronald Reagan "Great
Moments" Commemorative Coins. Jones designed these Coins in the fresh,
spirited style Reagan especially admired.


In the striking bas relief portraits sculpted for the face of the
Inauguration Medallion, Jones captured the glory of Ronald Reagan's first
inauguration. Featuring both President and Mrs. Reagan in their jubilant
ride down Pennsylvania Avenue, the Inauguration Medallion honors the new
hope the Reagans brought to the White House on February 20, 1981. A phrase
made famous by Ronald Reagan later in his Presidency, - "It's morning in
America" - are engraved on the Inauguration Medallion to recall the optimism
our nation shared on that historic day and throughout his presidency.


President Reagan's bold challenge, "Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down this Wall"
graces the Berlin Wall Medallion. Jones captured the drama of Reagan's
resounding admonition to Mikhail Gorbachev at the Brandenburg Gate section
of the Berlin Wall in West Germany on June 12, 1987. The Berlin Wall
Medallion is a stunning tribute to the leader of the free world who brought
down Communism and ended the Cold War.


To grace the back of both Coins, Jones rendered a sculpt inspired by the U.S
presidential Seal in splendid detail. The dates of Reagan's presidency and
the silver content have also been engraved on the back of each medallion.
And every nuance of Jones's art has been perfectly preserved throughout this
important first edition. These flawless, proof-quality silver Coins are
truly worthy of the great man they honor.

As impressive in size as in beauty, each medallion measures a full 1.85
inches in diameter and is cast in one full troy ounce of .999 pure silver.
Each medallion is double-struck for maximum sharpness and detail. Enclosed
in a special presentation case, this is the perfect gift for the American
who reveres President Ronald Reagan.

This is a treasure of lasting value. And it is certain to be prized by
knowledgeable collectors. For each medallion is proof-quality, meeting the
highest numismatic standards ... double struck for exceptional clarity and
detail ... with the distinctive reeded edge that marks the most desirable
Coins. Packaged in a protective clear plastic capsule, and untouched except
by gloved hands, your Coins will hold their radiance and luster forever.

And, I know you'll agree, works that capture the legacy of the Reagan
presidency so well will be wonderful treasures to pass on to your children
and grandchildren someday.

But to fully appreciate the impressive size, beauty, and radiance of these
brilliant silver Coins, you really need to see them for yourself. Please
note: This is a strictly limited first edition. And only 5,000 of each
design of the two Coins will be issued worldwide. So it is essential that
you place your order now.

http://www.hebookservice.com/products/bookpage.asp?prod_cd=c7423

Dumfukistani Ronnie

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Feb 5, 2011, 11:41:34 AM2/5/11
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"Alfred Regnery" <in...@humanevents.com> wrote in message
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Good for nothing Reagan has his pot smoking face on money?


Ken Barr

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Feb 5, 2011, 12:52:08 PM2/5/11
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In article <iijuf9$2qm$2...@speranza.aioe.org>,
"Alfred Regnery" <in...@humanevents.com> wrote:

[snip]


> stunning tribute to the 40th President of the United States. The Ronald
> Reagan "Great Moments" Commemorative Coins are heirloom-quality

How odd ... the website cited calls them Medallions rather than Coins ...

# The Ronald Reagan "Great Moments" Commemorative Medallions are
# heirloom-quality commemoratives that memorialize two of Reagan's

> series of collectibles that honor the legacy of this great American - The
> Ronald Reagan "Great Moments" Commemorative Coins.

How odd ... the website cited calls them Medallions rather than Coins ...

# that honor the legacy of this great American -- The Ronald Reagan
"Great
# Moments" Commemorative Medallions.


> Elizabeth Jones - the renowned artist Reagan appointed Chief Engraver of the
> United States Mint - was commissioned to design the Ronald Reagan "Great
> Moments" Commemorative Coins. Jones designed these Coins in the fresh,
> spirited style Reagan especially admired.

How odd ... the website cited calls them Medallions rather than Coins ...

# Elizabeth Jones -- the renowned artist Reagan appointed Chief Engraver
of the
# United States Mint -- was commissioned to design the Ronald Reagan
"Great
# Moments" Commemorative Medallions. Jones designed these medallions in
the
# fresh, spirited style Reagan especially admired.

[several more examples of creative editing omitted]

How come on the website they are Medallions but on the r.c.c
newsfroup they are Coins?

And $199.90 for two one-ounce silver rounds??? Who do you think
I am, a Republican?!? I doubt even oly would buy these things
at a hunnertbux an ounze ...

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P. O. Box 32541 � � � � � � website: �http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA �95152 � � Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc.
408-272-3247 � ��NEXT SHOW: San Jose CC (Doubletree Hotel), Jan 28 - 30

oly

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Feb 5, 2011, 1:14:42 PM2/5/11
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On Feb 5, 11:52 am, Ken Barr <k...@kenbarr.com> wrote:
> In article <iijuf9$2q...@speranza.aioe.org>,

Indeed, while revering the memory of and most thankful for the
Gipper's service to the nation, I prefer more economical and
economically sensible forms of modern medallic tribute.

My objection in this thread was to the reference to Ronald Reagan as
"pot smoking". I'm sure that you ought to leave that specific
attrubute to his fer-shit kids.

oly

oly

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Feb 5, 2011, 1:16:33 PM2/5/11
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> oly- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course, s/b "attribute". Dam Know Spel Khecker!!!

oly

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Bremick

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Feb 5, 2011, 2:17:27 PM2/5/11
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"Alfred Regnery" <in...@humanevents.com> wrote in message
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> These are exciting times for patriotic Americans who continue to honor and
> revere President Ronald Reagan. February 6, 2011, will mark the 100th
> anniversary of Reagan's birth. As we observe the Ronald Reagan Centennial,
> we are presented with a renewed opportunity to celebrate his ideals,
> recognize his achievements, and preserve his legacy.
> About the Artist
> Elizabeth Jones

<snipped>

Honor? Revere? Celebrate his ideals?? Good lord! You make him sound like
some deity that must be worshipped. The man simply served as one of our
presidents as have many before him. He had his good points and his bad
points, as did most other presidents. I would "honor and revere" John Wayne
before I would Reagan.


robw

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Feb 5, 2011, 3:31:38 PM2/5/11
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On Feb 5, 11:48 am, "Alfred Regnery" <i...@humanevents.com> wrote:
> These are exciting times for patriotic Americans who continue to honor and
> revere President Ronald Reagan. February 6, 2011, will mark the 100th
> anniversary of Reagan's birth. As we observe the Ronald Reagan Centennial,
> we are presented with a renewed opportunity to celebrate his ideals,
> recognize his achievements, and preserve his legacy.
> About the Artist
> Elizabeth Jones
>
> When President Reagan appointed Elizabeth Jones Chief Engraver of the United
> States Mint in 1981, she was already revered as one of the world's finest
> medallic sculptors. Ever since her days as an art student in Rome, she had
> devoted her talent to bas relief sculpture for medals and Coins. After
> completing her studies at Rome's unique Scuola dell'Arte della Medaglia, a
> school inside the Italian mint, the young American artist went on to win
> numerous prestigious commissions for her spirited medallic portraits. And by
> 1972, she was named Sculptor of the Year by the American Numismatic Society.
>
> During her ten years at the U.S. Mint, Elizabeth Jones's coins gained
> further recognition for their beauty. Her distinctive designs included the
> only three US coins to ever win the International Medallion of the Year
> Award.
>
> To honor Ronald Reagan during his centennial celebration, Eagle Publishing
> has partnered with the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation to introduce a
> stunning tribute to the 40th President of the United States. The Ronald
> Reagan "Great Moments" Commemorative Coins are heirloom-quality
> commemoratives that memorialize two of Reagan's greatest achievements...
>
> On the morning of his inauguration, Ronald Wilson Reagan addressed a nation
> shadowed by inflation, heavy taxes, and self-destructive foreign policies.
> And, as he foretold the bright future he would bring to America, sunlight
> burst through the dark clouds above.
>
> In June of 1987, President Reagan stood before the Brandenburg Gate. There
> he challenged Mikhail Gorbachev to end the tyranny symbolized by the Berlin
> Wall. Two years later, crumbled by Reagan's firm policy, this wall - and the
> Communist regime it stood for - came tumbling down.
>
> These prophetic occasions represent two of the great triumphs of Ronald
> Reagan's presidency - as well as his insight into men's hearts ... his great
> vision ... his strength. And now they lend their splendor to a very special
> series of collectibles that honor the legacy of this great American - The
> Ronald Reagan "Great Moments" Commemorative Coins.
>
> Elizabeth Jones - the renowned artist Reagan appointed Chief Engraver of the
> United States Mint - was commissioned to design the Ronald Reagan "Great
> Moments" Commemorative Coins. Jones designed these Coins in the fresh,
> spirited style Reagan especially admired.
>

I know a guy who bought some of the coins and forgot where he put them
not ten minutes later.

Beanie

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Feb 5, 2011, 4:38:54 PM2/5/11
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"Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Reagan's legacy continue to be burnished by acolytes who forget what a really
crappy president he was.


Peter

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Feb 5, 2011, 5:28:25 PM2/5/11
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On Feb 5, 4:38 pm, "Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote:
> "Bremick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:iik7o9$hsc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Alfred Regnery" <i...@humanevents.com> wrote in message

> >news:iijuf9$2qm$2...@speranza.aioe.org...
> >> These are exciting times for patriotic Americans who continue to honor and
> >> revere President Ronald Reagan. February 6, 2011, will mark the 100th
> >> anniversary of Reagan's birth. As we observe the Ronald Reagan Centennial,
> >> we are presented with a renewed opportunity to celebrate his ideals,
> >> recognize his achievements, and preserve his legacy.
> >> About the Artist
> >> Elizabeth Jones
>
> > <snipped>
>
> > Honor?  Revere?  Celebrate his ideals??  Good lord!  You make him sound like
> > some deity that must be worshipped.  The man simply served as one of our
> > presidents as have many before him.  He had his good points and his bad
> > points, as did most other presidents.  I would "honor and revere" John Wayne
> > before I would Reagan.
>
> Reagan's legacy continue to be burnished by acolytes who forget what a really
> crappy president he was.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Crappy is harsh and not justified. Charming and lucky are certainly
correct.

Beanie

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Feb 5, 2011, 5:49:13 PM2/5/11
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"Peter" <w2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>Crappy is harsh and not justified. Charming and lucky are certainly correct.

Reagan certainly was lucky and it can't be denied he had a certain charm.
Nevertheless, I stand by my original assessment of his presidency - especially
the last few Alzheimer years when Nancy took over while Ronnie was busy smearing
his feces on the wall of the Oval Office.
Doesn't anybody remember Iran-Contra and the huge budget deficits he ran up?


oly

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Feb 5, 2011, 5:59:49 PM2/5/11
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Some people here have already accused Beanie of being RF and I was far
from certain as there seemed to be a bit of softness in the character
of Beanie that you'd never accuse RF of having. But a great antipathy
towards Reagan was one of the hallmarks of RF and so MAYBE Beanie is
RF IF RF has had some sort of a small stroke or something to take the
edge off of him.

The ability to remember a small Executive-branch pecadillo like Iran-
Contra places you in an exceedingly small group of haters with long
memories over nothing much. There's been so much worse, before and
since.

oly

Kevin Cunningham

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Feb 5, 2011, 6:29:15 PM2/5/11
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On Feb 5, 11:39 am, "Alfred Regnery" <i...@humanevents.com> wrote:
> These are exciting times for patriotic Americans who continue to honor and
> revere President Ronald Reagan. February 6, 2011, will mark the 100th
> anniversary of Reagan's birth. As we observe the Ronald Reagan Centennial,
> we are presented with a renewed opportunity to celebrate his ideals,
> recognize his achievements, and preserve his legacy.
(crap deleted for your reading pleasure)

Now you can get a coin for your collection that has Alzheimer's
disease!

Frank Provasek

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Feb 5, 2011, 7:16:19 PM2/5/11
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From Steve Lendman
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2011/02/reagan-revisionism-planned-centennial.html


Reagan's Legacy:


-- disdain for working Americans;

-- contempt for the rule of law, civil liberties, human rights, and
democratic freedoms; and

-- support for concentrated wealth, power and budget-busting
militarism.

He backed:

-- sweeping deregulation;

-- destructive "free trade;"

-- offshoring high-paying manufacturing jobs;

-- the war on drugs - in fact, a war on poor minorities, escalating
America's prison population to the highest by far in the world, two-
thirds in it Blacks and Latinos, most for nonviolent offenses;

-- tax cuts for the rich;

-- draconian social program cuts;

-- support for global despots, apartheid South Africa, star wars,
death squads, proxy wars in Central America, Africa, Afghanistan, and
Middle East by helping Iran and Iraq wage war;

-- contempt for gays, lesbians, people of color, the poor and
disadvantaged, and more.

Beanie

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Feb 5, 2011, 7:33:09 PM2/5/11
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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>The ability to remember a small Executive-branch pecadillo like Iran-
Contra places you in an exceedingly small group of haters with long
memories over nothing much. There's been so much worse, before and
since.

I never hated Reagan when he was POTUS nor do I hate him now.
I did, in fact, vote for him in 1980 when he ran against Jimmy "4 More Years of
Malaise" Carter.
My own business experienced a boom under his administration, so, at the time, I
was content to overlook his shortcomings.
I retrospect I can see his failures as POTUS and as a man.

oly

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Feb 5, 2011, 8:19:00 PM2/5/11
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On Feb 5, 6:16 pm, Frank Provasek <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote:
> From Steve Lendmanhttp://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2011/02/reagan-revisionism-planned-cent...

>
> Reagan's Legacy:
>
> -- disdain for working Americans;
>
> -- contempt for the rule of law, civil liberties, human rights, and
> democratic freedoms; and
>
> -- support for concentrated wealth, power and budget-busting
> militarism.
>
> He backed:
>
> -- sweeping deregulation;
>
> -- destructive "free trade;"
>
> -- offshoring high-paying manufacturing jobs;
>
> -- the war on drugs - in fact, a war on poor minorities, escalating
> America's prison population to the highest by far in the world, two-
> thirds in it Blacks and Latinos, most for nonviolent offenses;
>
> -- tax cuts for the rich;
>
> -- draconian social program cuts;
>
> -- support for global despots, apartheid South Africa, star wars,
> death squads, proxy wars in Central America, Africa, Afghanistan, and
> Middle East by helping Iran and Iraq wage war;
>
> -- contempt for gays, lesbians, people of color, the poor and
> disadvantaged, and more.

First there has to be a strong country with a solid economy, good
military defense and a passable currency in order for that same
country to afford the luxury of so many perverts.

You ought to be really grateful to Ronald Reagan, Frank.

oly

Bremick

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"Peter" <w2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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_______________

I felt comfortable with him during his years as our president. However,
having been a movie-goer through most of his film career, I often found it
difficult later to separate the movie star from the president. Celebrating
his 100th birthday is a no-brainer. Revering him as some kind of savior is
a bit over the top, IMO.


Jerry Dennis

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Feb 5, 2011, 8:39:26 PM2/5/11
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I'm only going to say that I thought Reagan was a great President. A
lot of people complain, "Obama inherited Bush's recession," let's
remember Reagan inherited Carter's. There are good and bad to be
found in every Presidency.

Jerry
Sitting on the sidelines on this one.

Frank Provasek

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Feb 5, 2011, 9:40:37 PM2/5/11
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> oly- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

In early 1980, Reagan's campaign manager William Casey had just met
with Iranian Jamshid Hashemi. Casey made it clear that he wanted to
prevent Carter from gaining political advantage from freeing the
Iranian hostages. There was also a second meeting in July 1980 in
Madrid. The July meeting included Mehdi Karrudi, who would go on to
become the speaker of the Iranian Parliament. At this meeting promises
were made of arms and unfreezing of assets in return for release of
the 52 American hostages after the November election, to keep Carter
from victory. So Reagan's people negotiated with our enemies to
persuade them to keep our hostages captive nearly a year longer with
promises of changing US policy to unfreeze their money and allow them
to have US weapons. Can anyone say "treason?"

oly

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Feb 5, 2011, 9:52:27 PM2/5/11
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> to have US  weapons. Can anyone say "treason?"- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

You're not this smart, Frank.

Where you blocking and posting from this time???

Probably Reagan will be on one of our circulating paper money notes
very soon (my guess is the ten dollar bill - very few Amercians are
well-educated enough anymore to know who Alexander Hamilton was).
Then Frank will have to carry the Great Man's portrait in his wallet
and pockets on a frequent basis!!!

oly

oly

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Feb 5, 2011, 10:13:59 PM2/5/11
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Ari David

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Feb 5, 2011, 9:21:12 PM2/5/11
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What is often not sighted is the fact that Reagan freed more people from
tyranny than any other human being in history. If you consider the Soviet
Union and it's eastern bloc neighbors as a gigantic prison camp populated by
hundreds of millions of people who were all freed directly by Reagan, the
greatness of this man starts to approach not other founding fathers of our
nation, but some of the great men of recorded history including biblical
history. He can truly be considered a type of Moses of our time, leading the
children of communism out of bondage. His work though is not done. Communism
and Socialism are on the march once again and now the world needs a new set
of leaders who are teachable like Reagan was to learn from Reagan's glorious
and humble life how to free
another generation from the shackles of tyranny once again.

God bless and thank you to Ronald Reagan for his life and God bless him on
his now infinite journey through Heaven. He improved our lives in ways we
will never be able to repay.

Bremick

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Feb 5, 2011, 11:17:06 PM2/5/11
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"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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______________

It's surprising you had so much access to these alleged meetings, Frank.
Care to reveal your source, and whether the conclusions you draw are yours
or theirs? Or would you have to kill us.


mazorj

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Feb 5, 2011, 11:21:16 PM2/5/11
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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oly
======================

"Small Executive-branch pecadillo"? Your ability to trivialize Iran-Contra
like that places you in the group of blinkered Reagan idolizers who never
saw a conservative they didn't adore.

If Obama had broken the law and done violence to U.S. foreign policy the way
Iran-Contra did, you'd be howling for his head on a silver platter.


Jason Burke

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Feb 5, 2011, 11:39:51 PM2/5/11
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It's too bad Finnan's first suicide attempt failed and just left him
even more of a vegetable than he was, Not to even mention that those of
us who actually work for a living are paying for him.

Next time for sure!

Message has been deleted

oly

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On Feb 5, 10:21 pm, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message

Your Beltway myopia shows through again and gain and again. I'd like
to give you credit, but in fact you're a product of a petri-dish
filled with self-important people who don't realize how little
"Flyover America" doesn't share your values.

oly

Frank Provasek

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Feb 6, 2011, 12:44:02 AM2/6/11
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> or theirs?  Or would you have to kill us.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

See October Surprise: America's Hostages in Iran and the Election of
Ronald Reagan by Gary Sick

Frank Galikanokus

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Feb 6, 2011, 12:48:10 AM2/6/11
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I agree, we should remember the man for what he did.

Record deficits, tax hikes, cut and run out of Lebanon, arms for
hostages and dealing with terrorists.

Although, he did make people feel good when he was acting like an
honorable man leading a great nation.

JAM

Frank Galikanokus

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Feb 6, 2011, 12:55:19 AM2/6/11
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Yes, only if you consider this ridiculous statement.

JAM

MKW

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Feb 6, 2011, 2:54:38 AM2/6/11
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There is nothing attractive about either the design or sculpting.
Throw in the price and no deal. The Franklin Mint did a much nicer
job
http://www.franklinmint.com/Ronald-Reagan-Centennial-Medallion--P10931C332.aspx

Bremick

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Feb 6, 2011, 9:08:52 AM2/6/11
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I thought so.


DominicJaw

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Feb 6, 2011, 6:23:46 AM2/6/11
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Lol Lol Lol


--
DominicJaw

mazorj

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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oly
===============

That's a pretty myopic reply on your part, oly. It's become habitual for
you now because It spares you from having to know anything about me
personally or more importantly, having to deal with anything I say. It's
the same level of mental laziness as if everyone here disregarded anything
you have to say about coins because you live in the hinterlands of a
Midwestern farming market center. "Hey, oly, stick to what you people out
there know. Go post in alt.corn.commodity_prices!"

You must have slept through Iran-Contra. It was on TV and in all the papers
all over the country, including editorial condemnations of it. If anything,
time has only dimmed the memory of how big a scandal it was at the time.

Like all mere mortals, Reagan was a mixed bag of the good and the bad. I
understand and give credit for the former. You are in denial of the latter.
The question of how his good and bad balance out will be for historians to
decide. We can add our pet likes and dislikes to the list here, but you
cannot deny the facts of how they played out in history.

Chas Edwards

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Feb 6, 2011, 9:39:50 AM2/6/11
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Frank Provasek

In early 1980, Reagan's campaign manager William Casey had just met
with Iranian Jamshid Hashemi. Casey made it clear that he wanted to
prevent Carter from gaining political advantage from freeing the
Iranian hostages. There was also a second meeting in July 1980 in
Madrid. The July meeting included Mehdi Karrudi, who would go on to
become the speaker of the Iranian Parliament. At this meeting
promises
were made of arms and unfreezing of assets in return for release of
the 52 American hostages after the November election, to keep Carter
from victory. So Reagan's people negotiated with our enemies to
persuade them to keep our hostages captive nearly a year longer with
promises of changing US policy to unfreeze their money and allow them
to have US weapons. Can anyone say "treason?"

***********************

Most of the material printed above was based on the articles by Gary
Sick, an appropriately named journalist. It was long ago proven to be
fabricated. One is also reminded of the famous Casey death-bed
interview by Bob Woodward; it too was later proven to be a fraud.

Chas Edwards

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"Small Executive-branch pecadillo"? Your ability to trivialize Iran-
Contra
like that places you in the group of blinkered Reagan idolizers who
never
saw a conservative they didn't adore.
If Obama had broken the law and done violence to U.S. foreign policy
the way
Iran-Contra did, you'd be howling for his head on a silver platter.

**********
Majorj again shows us how little he actually knows about politics or
history. There was exactly one criminal prosecution from the Iran-
Contra matter and that was of Col. North for building a security fence
to protect his family after the Washington Post had published a map of
how to find his home and all but invited someone to kill North and his
family.

oly

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Not only was it a Beltway/liberal media tempest in a tea-pot, but it
was TWENTY-FIVE YEARS AGO.

Nobody cared at the time, and certainly nobody with half-a-brain cares
now.

America's Liberal Faggotti class has been trying to recreate Watergate
endlessly for nearly forty years now. That's when folks like Hillary
got their first "legs-up" on the ladder of this world. That was back
when the Liberal Faggotti class could still get it up without pills.
They dream about those "glory" days, now that they are in their sick
and cold dotage.

oly

Bremick

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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As we have seen, there will be people out there with preconceived notions
who will embrace and quote that stuff without question, much as if grandma
told them they were descendants of Marco Polo. After all, it's written
right there in a book with a dust jacket.

Frank Galikanokus

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It was 100 years ago and nobody cared at the time, and certainly nobody
with half-a-brain cares
now.

JAM

oly

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On Feb 6, 10:32 am, Frank Galikanokus <"Frank Galikanokus"@nospam.net>
wrote:
> JAM- Hide quoted text -

>
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I daresay that nobody did much care 100 years ago, but Reagan will be
remembered today and probably 2000 years from today. If they can
remember Galba, Otho and Vitellius, then history will certainly
remember Ronald Reagan.

oly

Beanie

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>I daresay that nobody did much care 100 years ago, but Reagan will be
>remembered today and probably 2000 years from today. If they can remember
>Galba, Otho and Vitellius, then history will certainly remember Ronald Reagan.

Reagan will be a little-remembered footnote in American history in another
generation.
Better lay off the cheap Busch beer - it's rotting what few brain cells you have
left.


oly

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On Feb 6, 12:07 pm, "Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote:
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NOW you're starting to sound like yourself, RF!!! Hope your feeling
better!!!

What I do fear is that history will remember Reagan as the man who
bought America another 25 years, and then the Soviet Union-style
collapse came to our shores anyhoots.

oly

Sirpigsalot1

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This is nothing but absurd DemoCong propaganda. Carter is fully responsible
for creating the crisis in Iran and encouraged the toppling of an ally in
the Shah of Iran. And the resulting terror. Watch and learn from One of the
Greatest President's this nation has ever known.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Ae5FRHH0k

p.s. And one other thing; if there ever was a treasonous President it is the
one we currently have occupying the White House. You stupid goon. Reagan
never went around the world bowing to tyrants like your this Kenyan does.
Here's something else you can chew on about Odumbo: Then get back to me
about who is the TRAITOR is.

01. Frank Marshall Davis Obama Scandal
02. Obama Drug Use Scandal
03. Obama's Scandalous Strategy for Picking Friends!
04. VP Joe Biden had his own Plagiarism Scandal
05. Obama numerous tapes of his own Racist Rant against Whites!
06. Obama seeks Marxist endorsement for First Political Office !!
07. Obama Lies in 'Dreams from my Father' Book
08. Obama Saul Alinsky Training Scandal
09. Jeremiah Wright Obama Scandal
10. Father Michael Pfleger Obama Scandal
11. Emil Jones Obama Special Scandal
12. Obama 2001 Radio Interview Scandal #1 - Says Supreme Court Should Have
Redistributed Wealth from Whites to Blacks!
13. Obama 2001 Radio Interview Scandal #2 - Says Supreme Court was not
Radical Enough!
14. Obama 2001 Radio Interview Scandal #3 - Says U.S. Supreme Court is
Flawed!
15. Obama 1991 Radio Interview Scandal #4 - Says Supreme Court Should Bring
About Economic Changes
16. Obama Lies About a Presidential Run
17. Obama Raila Odinga Scandal
18. Biden's 7-11 Gaffle!
19. Michelle Obama Pay Increase Scandal
20. Tony Rezko Obama Scandal
21. Gaffe Machine Joe Biden Racist Comments about Barack Obama
22. LA Times Says Obama Strethed "Truth" in his Book
23. Obama's Fammily Owned Slaves!
24. Obama Gets History wrong saying the March in Selma resulted in his birth
25. Obama's Jack Kennedy Lie
26. Obama Says Muslim Call to Prayer is Most Beautiful Sound!
27. Obama Plays Dumb
28. Obama's Death Toll Gaffe
29. Obama Controversy: Supports Law-Breakers
30. Obama Flip Flops on Nuclear Weapons within Seconds!
31. Obama Flip Flops on Cuban Embargo!
32. Obama Campaign Finance Scandal
33. Obama Sex for Kindergarteneres Scandal
34. Obama's Big Fat Trillion Lie - War on Fat People
35. Obama's First Flip Flop on Nuclear Power
36. Obama Admits He's Not a Chief Operating Officer (COO)
37. Michelle Obama Slams America!
38. Obama Endorses Socialist Candidate Scandal
39. The Obama Plagiarism Scandal
40. Michelle Obama: "First Time...I'm Proud of My Country!" - Slams America
AGAIN!
41. Obama Flip Flop on Union Support!
42. Obama Flip Flop on Illegal Immigration!
43. Obama Flip Flop on Making Marijuana Legal
44. Obama's Ohio NAFTA Lie!
45. Obama's Ties to Rezko Larger Than Admitted
46. Another Pastor Problem for Obama: Rev. James Meeks
47. Obama's State Senate Records Missing?
48. Obama - Barry, What's the Facts on his early years!
49. Obama Was Not Truthful About Pastor Wright's 9/11 Comments
50. Obama lies about Obamacare not being a new TAX!!!

Sirpigsalot1

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This is just the start....here are some more serious discrepancies for you
fascist goons to chew on. So far there are ONLY 1900 of them:

1900. Obama's State of Confusion - Promises to Veto Pork and Earmarks for
Special Pet Projects!
1899. Obama's State of Confusion - We need to Spend, Spend, Spend...No,
Wait! We need to Cut!
1898. Obama's State of Confusion - Repeats Business Roadblocks Lie
1897. Obama's State of Confusion - Promised Free Broadband to 98% of
Americans!
1896. Obama's State of Confusion - Oops! He left out Employment FACTS!
1895. Obama's State of Confusion - He Lied about Making College Affordable
1894. Obama's State of Confusion - Wants to Replace Ted Kennedys No Child
Left Behind Bill
1893. Obama's State of Confusion - Government Invented the Internet
1892. Obama's State of Confusion - Still a Climate Hoaxer
1891. Obama's State of Confusion - Suddenly Pretends to be a Conservative?!
(Reagan, anyone?)
1890. Obama's State of Confusion - American's paychecks are Bigger Now (yeah
right)
1889. Obama's State of Confusion - Fighting is bad, no wait, it's Good!
1888. Obama's State of Confusion - Lie About Money for Infrastructure
1887. Obama's State of Confusion - Lie About Working Together
1886. Huffington Post's List of Obama Broken Technology Promises - #4 Public
Safety
1885. Huffington Post's List of Obama Broken Technology Promises - #3 Media
Ownership
1884. Huffington Post's List of Obama Broken Technology Promises - #2
Broadband Policy
1883. Huffington Post's List of Obama Broken Technology Promises - #1 Net
Neutrality
1882. Obama Flip Flops on the Chamber of Commerce!
1881. Obama's Broken Promise to Meet Monthy with the GOP
1880. Scandal! Obama Spends $150 million in Taxpayer Money on Legal Fees for
His Pal. Franklin Raines & Others!
1879. Obama Breaks Promise to Reward Success in Education
1878. Obama Plans Even MORE Spending??!!!
1877. Obama Stands by & Does Nothing While Chinese Performer Insults USA!
1876. Obama Lies about Executive Order to "Help Business"
1875. Obama's THIRD Special Day for General Electric (GE)
1874. Obama's SECOND Special Day for General Electric (GE)
1873. Obama's Special Deal for General Electric (GE)
1872. Obama's Peace Prize Hypocrisy!
1871. Another Obama Wal-Mart Flip-Flop!
1870. Obama's HUGE Flip-Flop on Military Tribunals!
1869. Obama's Healthcare Actuary Admits ObamaCare Lies!
1868. Left Says Obama is Lying About WikiLeaks
1867. Actor Obama Pretends He Has Truce in His Way on Business
1866. Dictator Obama Requiring Cheap Laptops and Hi-Speed Internet for All!
1865. Obama Has Failed to Improve US Reputation as Promised!
1864. Obama To Extend Patriot Act for 2nd Time - No One Cares Now that
Democrat is in White House!
1863. All That Obama Applause was Staged! (& Gibbs Lied About It!)
1862. Another Obama GM Lie!
1861. Obama Gaffe: Calls France our Strongest Ally!
1860. Obama Perpetuates Lie in Arizona
1859. Obama Appointment Scandal #174 - Inspector General Forced to Resign
Under Pressure!
1858. That's Not Mojo Obama Has Back, It's Manipulation!
1857. Even Democrats Try to Stop Obama's Weat Stance on Terrorism
1856. Obama CIA Scandal Reveals He's Not So Tough After All
1855. Health Care Reform Obama's "Choice and Competition" LIE!
1854. Obama's Breaks Gulf Oil Drilling Promise!
1853. Obama's Broken Inauguration Promises - American Thinker #11
1852. Obama's Broken Inauguration Promises - American Thinker #10
1851. Obama's Broken Inauguration Promises - American Thinker #9
1850. Obama's Broken Inaugural Promises - American Thinker #8
1849. Obama's Broken Inaugural Promises - American Thinker #7
1848. Obama's Broken Inaugural Promises - American Thinker #6
1847. Obama's Broken Inaugural Promises - American Thinker #5
1846. Obama's Broken Inaugural Promises - American Thinker #4
1845. Obama's Broken Inaugural Promises - American Thinker #3
1844. Obama's Broken Inaugural Promises - American Thinker #2
1843. Obama's Broken Inaugural Promises - American Thinker #1
1842. Obama's Environmental Lawlessness Scandal
1841. Obama's Half Brother Uses Donations to Help Secure Development Deal
1840. Obama Breaks Foreclosure Promise (Again)!

Sirpigsalot1

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1770. Obama Lied About Afgan Draw Down Date!
1769. Federal Salaries Increase TwoFold Under Obama Despite Recession!
1768. Obama Caught in Another Lie!
1767. Obama Panel Problem #1 - Recommends Contradiction?!
1766. Michelle Obama Praised for Muslim Headscarf!
1765. More Hypocrisy on Israel from Team Obama!
1764. Obama Green Energy Hiring Scandal!
1763. More Socialism From Team Obama's Solar Power Division!
1762. Obama's Broken Promise on Prison-to-Work Program
1761. Obama's Broken Promise on video taped interrogations
1760. Obama's Broken Promise on Racial Profiling
1759. Obama's Broken Promise on the Imprisonment of People of Color
1758. Obama's "Lie of the Day" in Mumbai
1757. Michelle Obama's Fat Fight Enemy is...Barack Obama?!
1756. Obama Gives India Broken Promises on Generic AIDS Meds
1755. Two Faced Obama Visits India, Cuddles with Pakistan!
1754. Obama's "Kashmir Crisis" Lie!
1753. Obama Admits Mistakes & Need for "Midcourse Corrections!"
1752. Obama's Economic Stimulus Wiping Out Lizard Species and Upsetting
Native Americans!
1751. Obama's Limo Hypocrisy!
1750. Obama's "Shipping Jobs Overseas" Hypocrisy
1749. Obama's Cap & Tax Flip-Flop
1748. Obama Lies About His "Goal"
1747. Obama's Artifical Hope "For Civility!"
1746. Obama Says Maybe to Some Tax Cuts if...(Yeah Right)
1745. Obama Repeats Broken Promise: Now (Maybe) He'll Stop Pork!
1744. Obama Flip-Flop on His "Enemies" List!
1743. Obama's Bipartisan Cooperation Pre-Election Lie
1742. Liar in Chief Claims GOP Not Funding Global Aids Fight!
1741. Obama Sends Observers to Arizona to Make Sure Illegals Can Vote!
1740. Obama Sends Birthday Card to Enemy Leader?! WTH?
1739. The Obama "Electric Car Cult" is an "Intellectual Scandal!"
1738. King Obama Taking 40 Planes to India?!
1737. Obama Lies to Stewart About Social Security
1736. Obama Lies Without Any Credibility - Financial Crisis Cost Less than
S&L Scandal?!
1735. Obama Drops Case Against Google After It Donates to Him!
1734. Another IG-Gate Scandal: Obama & Panetta Compromise CIA's Inspector
General
1733. You Really CAN'T Keep Your Doctor (Or Find His Office!) - ObamaCare
Nightmare Expanding
1732. ObamaCare Nightmare Eliminates Insurers Ability to Design Own
Products!!
1731. ObamaCare Nightmare was DESIGNED TO Reduce competition!!
1730. Obama Lied About ObamaCare: "We want competition!"
1729. Jarrett Angers Gays AGAIN!
1728. Obama Breaks Transparency Promise (AGAIN- AGAIN- AGAIN- AGAIN) at
Treasury Department #4
1727. Obama Breaks Transparency Promise (AGAIN- AGAIN- AGAIN) at Treasury
Department #3
1726. Obama Breaks Transparency Promise (AGAIN- AGAIN- AGAIN) at Treasury
Department #2
1725. Obama Breaks Transparency Promise (AGAIN) at Treasury Department #1
1724. Desperate Obama Playing Race Card - Suggests Latinos "Punish our
Enemies!"
1723. Desperate Obama Playing Race Card - Republicans have to "Sit in the
Back" of the Bus!
1722. Obama Planning To Take Away Your Mortage Interest Deduction!
1721. Obama Won't Give Union-Owned GM Car Keys Back to GOP?!
1720. Obama's Flip-Flop on ObamaCare Nightmare Tax
1719. Michelle Obama's "Seance" Moment - Unclean Spirits Around Her &
Barack!
1718. Obama Sells our Souls... to Create or "Save" Jobs?!
1717. Obama Appointment Scandal #164 and Lobbyist Scandal #55 - Thomas Nides
1716. Anti-Fat Crusader Michelle Obama Burger Scandal #2! - Five Guys
Burgers & Fries!
1715. More Obama Economic Hocus Pocus on Mortages
1714. Obama Lies to Seniors - ObamaCare Increases Their Costs!
1713. Obama Leaves God Out Again!
1712. Team Obama Lies About Citizens United
1711. Team Obama Lies About Job Creation (AGAIN!) - Counts Bush Jobs!
1710. Biden Gaffe - Forgets Who He Is Campaigning For!
1709. Obama's Foreign Policy Failure: IRAN
1708. Biden Gaffe - What did he Say About Obama's Brain?!
1707. Obama Tells Israel Don't Build, But Using Taxpayer $ To Help Palestine
Authority to do Just That!
1706. Obama Says American People are Not Thinking Clearly!! Or is it Him?!!
1705. Gibbs Flip-Flops on Chamber of Commerce!
1704. Obama's Rescinds "Fantastic" Lie on Kids Health Insurance!
1703. Obama Worse Than Bush on Afghan Prison Abuse??!!
1702. Obama's Foreclosure Flip-Flop!
1701. Obama Appointment Scandal #163 & Lobbyist Scandal #54 - Thomas Doniton

Sirpigsalot1

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Here's some more; google them - everything I've posted is proof positive
that Obama is a leftist wannabe lying tyrant. How do you explain this about
your puppet leader?????

1839. Obama Appointment Scandal #173 - William Boarman
1838. Obama Appointment Scandal #172 - Head-in-the-Sand Liberal Lawyer
Norman Eisen
1837. Obama Appointment Scandal #171 - Francis Ricciardone
1836. Obama Appointment Scandal #170 - Matthew Bryza
1835. Obama Appointment Scandal #169 - Robert Ford
1834. Obama Appointment Scandal #168 - Looney Lefty James Cole!
1833. Obama Administration Lying About Healthcare in Afghanistan?
1832. Obama Appointment Scandal #167 - Joseph Smith
1831. Obama Hearts Michael Vick, the Dog Killer?!
1830. Obama White House Denies Medicare Rule is "New!"
1829. Obama's Broken Promise to Double the Peace Corps
1828. Obama's Broken Promise to Stick it to the Rich with Higher Capital
Gains Taxes!
1827. Obama's Broken Promise to Expand Child Care Credit!
1826. Obama's Broken Promise to Phase Out Deductions for the Wealthy!
1825. Obama's Broken Promise on Indefinite Detention!
1824. Obama's Homeland Security Department is Closed One Day a Year!
1823. Obama's Intel Chief Missing the Chief Intel!
1822. Obama Appointment Scandal #166 - Louis Butler
1821. Team Obama Lying About Dream/Nightmare Act!
1820. Wiki-UhOh Obama used CIA for Political Purposes!
1819. Michelle Obama Claims Fak Kids are a National Security Threat!
1818. Michelle Obama's Fat Hypocrisy!
1817. Obama Expands Lefty Lie About "Paying For" Tax Cuts! Nonsense!
1816. Obama Contridicts Himself About Jobs Created By Extending Bush Tax
Rates
1815. Did Obama (& The GOP) Lie About Extending Unemployment Benefits?
(Obama Press Conference Lie #6)
1814. Obama Lies About Why Social Security was Started! (Obama Press
Conference Lie #5)
1813. The Audacity of an Obama Lie! (Obama Press Conference Lie #4)
1812. Bachmann Catches Obama Lies (Obama Press Conference Lie #3)
1811. Bachmann Catches Obama Lies (Obama Press Conference Lie #2)
1810. Bachmann Catches Obama Lies (Obama Press Conference Lie #1)
1809. Team Obama Admits Mistake on Taxes! Predicts Double-Dip Recession
1808. Something Fishy About Obama's Payouts to Black Farmers
1807. Obama Admits Broken Tax Promise!
1806. Obama's Wiki-Intelligence Failure Leads to Shake Ups at Embassies
Around the World!
1805. Obama Stimulus Complete Failure: Unemployment Rises to 9.8%
1804. Animal Rights Wackos Say Obama is a Big Let Down! Same as Bush!
1803. Billings Gazette: Obama Lies in Children's Book
1802. Greta: Obama's Justice (for Blacks) Department Hiding Report on
Mexico!
1801. Obama Get Free Pass from Media over Wikileaks Scandal!
1800. Obama's Broken Net Neutrality Promise
1799. Obama Drills Virginia's Economy
1798. Obama's Broken Jobs Promise: It's the end of 2010. So Where's the
4-Million Jobs, eh?!
1797. Obama's Federal Salary Freeze That Wasn't!
1796. Obama's Broken Promise to Help Prevent Foreclosure
1795. Obama's Democrats Reject GOP Plan to Ban Pork ("Earmarks")!
1794. Obama Delayed Action to Prevent Future Wiki-"Leaks!"
1793. Obama Funds Smithsonian Exhibit with Ants Eating Jesus!
1792. Obama Lies About Sarah Palin!
1791. Obama's Blunders Revealed by WikiLeaks - China
1790. Obama's Blunders Revealed by WikiLeaks - Qatar
1789. Obama's Blunders Revealed by WikiLeaks - Syria
1788. Obama's TSA Flip-Flop?
1787. Oops! Team Obama Negotiates with Fake Taliban Leader in Afghanistan!
1786. Janet Incompetano: Maybe Muslim Women Can Pat Themselves Down!!!
1785. Obama's TSA Thanksgiving Gate-Rape!
1784. Team Obama "Vastly Expands Federal Authority" over Health Insurance
1783. Obama Appointment Scandal # 165 - J. Dudley Butler
1782. Biden Gaffe - Never Hear Any Military Families Complain!
1781. Napolitano TSA Lie #7 - Naked Body Images Cannot Be Saved!
1780. Napolitano TSA Lie #6 - Naked Body Images Not Being Saved!
1779. Napolitano TSA Lie #5 - Scanners Are Popular with Public!
1778. Napolitano TSA Lie #4 - New Airport Security is "Risk Based!"
1777. Napolitano TSA Lie #3 - New Airport Pat Downs No Big Deal!
1776. Napolitano TSA Lie #2 - New Airport Pat Downs are Discreet!
1775. Napolitano TSA Lie #1 - Naked Body Scans Are Safe!
1774. Obama's GM IPO Lie!
1773. Ultra-Lefty Website: Obama Claims to be Honest, Lies One Minute
Later!!
1772. Holder & Obama Give Millions to Fight Illegal Immigrations to
Sanctuary Cities That Don't Do It!!
1771. Obama "Half-Lied" About Stimulus Projects

Bob-tx

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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Sorry, I have to reply to this mess. YES, Reagan was probably one of
our greatest presidents, and I hope history will remember him as such.

It seems that some of you consider LBJ and Jimmy Carter to far more
memorable. I feel sorry for you poor A-holes.

You have no idea why you currently have any freedom at all. This
is a paraphrase, but it goes something like this.

'When they came for the Jews, I did nothing because I wasn't Jewish.
When the came for Poland, I did nothing, I wasn't Polish.
When they came for ME, I asked for help, but there was no one
there to help'.

Reagan was not perfect, no president was, but he was a great
American in that he supported the constitution. Can you name
me one president since him who has not violated the constitution?
I can't, including the Bush 1 & 2 debacles.

Bob-tx

mazorj

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Once again Chas flaunts his errors. Are you that uninformed, that
forgetful, that stupid, or simply a liar?

From Wikipedia:

"Several investigations ensued, including those by the United States
Congress and the three-man, Reagan-appointed Tower Commission. Neither found
any evidence that President Reagan himself knew of the extent of the
multiple programs. [However, note that Reagan hand-picked the commission,
that Reagan had many records withheld or destroyed, and Oliver North in his
book was emphatically sure that Reagan knew much more that he ever let
on. -JM] In the end, fourteen administration officials were indicted,
including then-Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger. Eleven convictions
resulted, some of which were vacated on appeal. The rest of those indicted
or convicted were all pardoned in the final days of the George H. W. Bush
presidency; Bush had been vice-president at the time of the affair. Some of
those involved in the Iran-Contra affair who were convicted of felonies and
subsequently pardoned, later became members of the administration of George
W. Bush."

The way that the Great Communicator was able to bamboozle the public on the
gravity of this scandal and his role in it was one example of why they
called him the Teflon President. Nothing ever stuck to him.

The security fence thing was simply a farcical note in an otherwise
disturbing abuse of power and flouting of the law.

mazorj

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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oly
=======================

You know, oly, there is a pattern here. Your most insulting, bigoted,
intolerant posts tend to occur on weekends. Others already have ventured a
possible reason for the occasions when you sink to such garbage language.
All I will say about that is to add the note that your job in state banking
oversight presumably requires you to be sober-minded during the work week.

mazorj

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"Bob-tx" <No Spam no contact> wrote in message
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Anyone can say they support the Constitution. It's quite another matter
when the person at the top, who has sworn to uphold both it and the laws of
the United States, has blatant law-breaking (resulting in indictments and
convictions arising out of it) occurring in his own White House, cabinet,
and executive branch. Which, it might be argued, also did violence to the
separation of powers as mandated in said Constitution that he swore to
uphold, i.e., the executive branch taking it upon itself to ignore mandates
made by and under the purview of the legislative branch.

Among his chief accomplishments I include the fact that he was indeed the
needed anodyne of optimism that we really needed after the feckless Carter
presidency - just as the care-taker Gerry Ford was the perfect anodyne the
nation needed after the trauma of Watergate. (But with the further note
that simply restoring warm fuzzies to the public is not sufficient to be put
in the class of "great American president".) I also credit him with
*accelerating* (not "causing") the decline and fall of the Soviet Union.
But part of the price was aggravating the massive budget deficits that his
unrealistically massive initial tax cut caused (which had to be corrected
with 11 subsequent tax hikes). One can argue that it was money well spent
given the outcome of shortening the life of the Evil Empire; but it still
was spending money that we didn't have. Where have we heard that complaint
lately?

Beanie

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"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> I also credit him with *accelerating* (not "causing") the decline and fall
> of the Soviet Union.

The futile, costly war in Afghanistan (graveyard of empires) hastened the demise
of the USSR.
This is a fact ignored by the powers-that-be in Washington as they persue yet
another seemingly endless, unwinnable war.
"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain


Beanie

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"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> You know, oly, there is a pattern here. Your most insulting, bigoted,
> intolerant posts tend to occur on weekends. Others already have ventured a
> possible reason for the occasions when you sink to such garbage language. All
> I will say about that is to add the note that your job in state banking
> oversight presumably requires you to be sober-minded during the work week.

So Oly likes to drink too much cheap beer and put on his Usenet beer muscles on
the weekend (and holidays).
What else is new?


mazorj

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"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:iin262$vt0$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

Right. But it's "all of the above," not "either/or". And certainly not "he
did it all by himself as president".

Beanie

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"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Clearly, no one factor lead to the collapse of the USSR.
The Cold War arms race nearly bankrupted them, since their economy was nowhere
near as strong as the USA's.
Repressive control and the failure of communism to provide a sustainable
economic milieu also threw in their 2 cents.
Reagan or not, the USSR would have folded anyway.
Maybe Reagan's saber rattling hastened it somewhat, maybe it didn't.
Reagan's likeable personality did indeed make him the "teflon president" but his
administration was riddled with corruption and criminality.
Corruption and criminality that his acolytes today tend to dismiss and left-wing
hate mongering.


Beanie

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"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:iin433$5bf$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

That should be "AS left-wing hate mongering"


mazorj

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"Beanie" <b...@ea.ne> wrote in message news:iin2a7$g4$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

So... Ya think maybe Ecclesiastes had oly in mind when he wrote "there is
nothing new under the sun"?

Personally, when it comes to the wisdom of ancient aphorisms, I like what
the pagan Romans said: "In vino veritas".

oly

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On Feb 6, 2:24 pm, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message
> oversight presumably requires you to be sober-minded during the work week.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Please, please paint me with your AOPA-issued whitewash brush as a
drunk. Better a drunk than a queer or a lobbyist or a queer lobbyist
with full Liberal Beltway-blinkers.

Fact of the matter is, I've been fighting off a major infection and
haven't touched a drop of beer or wine in over two weeks.

Now, that "dryness" might make one belligerent.

If your gonna go after people's jobs, I'm certain that you're as
vulnerable as me & probably more so.

oly

mazorj

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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How and where, Chas? Authoritative, dispositive proof that the book and the
interview were fabricated, please. Not just some biased blatherer's claims
to that.

Remember, you're the guy who also claimed here just this morning that the
only indictment arising out of Iran-Contra was about Oliie North's security
fence, when the truth is that 14 administration officials were indicted.
Excuse us if we don't put full faith and trust in your undocumented
pronouncements here.

Remember also that you're the guy who further torched your credibility by
posting all your erroneous political blather *after* your 11/24/10 post
declaring that "If people like Frank Provasek did not post political rants
this would be a much better forum. I do not care which side is posting, post
it elsewhere!"

IOW, Chas, even you don't respect your own opinions.

oly

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On Feb 6, 4:12 pm, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Chas Edwards" <chas....@comcast.net> wrote in message
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As was said earlier, Mr. Mazor, you (and several others) are in your
cold old dotage, focusing on something that happened years ago and
that wasn't even important when it happened.

oly

Frank Provasek

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On Feb 6, 1:25 pm, "Sirpigsalot1" <sirpigsal...@natvan.org> wrote:
> This is nothing but absurd DemoCong propaganda. Carter is fully responsible
> for creating the crisis in Iran and encouraged the toppling of an ally in
> the Shah of Iran. And the resulting terror. Watch and learn from One of the
> Greatest President's this nation has ever known.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Ae5FRHH0k

>
> p.s. And one other thing; if there ever was a treasonous President it is the
> one we currently have occupying the White House. You stupid goon. Reagan
> never went around the world bowing to tyrants like your this Kenyan does.
> Here's something else you can chew on about Odumbo: Then get back to me
> about who is the TRAITOR is.
>
> 01. Frank Marshall Davis Obama Scandal
> 02. Obama Drug Use Scandal
> 03. Obama's Scandalous Strategy for Picking Friends!

More cut and paste from wing nut websites...

FreedomFan

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"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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Here's my idea, fagot.

Make OBongo a one term mistake; replace him with a Reagan clone.

(Apparently fagots think that the Washington Times is a wingnut website. )

oly

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>
> - Show quoted text -

Or is it your "ALPA-issued whitewash brush???". If I haven't looked
for a long time, I get AOPA and ALPA mixed up.

oly

mazorj

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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Please, please paint me with your AOPA-issued whitewash brush as a
drunk. Better a drunk than a queer or a lobbyist or a queer lobbyist
with full Liberal Beltway-blinkers.

Fact of the matter is, I've been fighting off a major infection and
haven't touched a drop of beer or wine in over two weeks.

Now, that "dryness" might make one belligerent.

If your gonna go after people's jobs, I'm certain that you're as
vulnerable as me & probably more so.

oly
======================

Not only do I have no interest in "going after" your employment status -
your paranoia is peeking through, oly, it was not a threat since I have zero
interest in going on a churlish fool's errand to try to harm your
employment - but for anyone entertaining any thoughts of reciprocating by
"going after my AOPA job," it's going to be a lot harder than you think, for
several reasons.

Okay, so this time your inhibitions against hate speech were down because of
medical reasons. Were you sick all those other weekends too?

Hmm... I just noticed that your admission that all "that 'dryness' (two
weeks on the wagon) might make one belligerent" seems to confirm what others
have conjectured about you and alcohol.

That, of course, is in addition to the significance of your repeated
implication that I and your despised liberals are "queer". There's an
interesting theory about homophobia...

Yer' sick all right, oly. One sick puppy, to be sure, even without the
infection.

oly

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Feb 6, 2011, 5:56:57 PM2/6/11
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On Feb 6, 4:50 pm, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message

Thanks for the compliment! Sick puppy, gee, it's been a long time
since I've been so recognized. And on good old Ronnie Regan's 100th
birthday too. I'll cherish the memory for years to come.

oly

mazorj

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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oly
==================

To quote Chas Edwards in his 2/24/10 post,

"If that's the best you can do, it says all that is necessary."

mazorj

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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Or is it your "ALPA-issued whitewash brush???". If I haven't looked
for a long time, I get AOPA and ALPA mixed up.

oly
=====================

Confusing two initialisms is the least of your mix-ups, oly.

oly

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Feb 6, 2011, 6:04:25 PM2/6/11
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On Feb 6, 5:01 pm, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "oly" <oly2...@aol.com> wrote in message

Of course, you may well be retired at this point, if lucky.

oly

mazorj

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"oly" <oly...@aol.com> wrote in message
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oly
====================

In the name of fairness and mercy, I ought to stop now. Your infection
obviously has brought on delusional brain fever.

oly

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Naw, since your so interested, I'll tell ya - had three or four
"coffee cups" worth of blood and pus come out from underneath my right
arm on Thursday about noon. All pinky and slushy with some light
consistency, it looked just like liberal brain matter and it was about
as smelly as liberal feces too. But I feel much much better now.

oly

Beanie

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"FreedomFan" <freed...@freerepublic.com> wrote in message
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>
> Here's my idea, fagot.

Hey Einstein, you spelled "faggot" wrong.


oly

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One thing my brain was clearly confused on that the events of this
celebratory day have made clear - Nancy Reagan is still alive!!! I'm
not sure what I was thinking, but I didn't think she was still with
us.

So, that's very nice, and I'm happy that Mrs. Reagan is in such good
shape; but why doesn't she just kick that youngest boy's ass???

oly

Tea Party Guy

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Feb 6, 2011, 7:47:17 PM2/6/11
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Frank Provasek <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in
news:a275a50f-4de1-4918...@z3g2000prz.googlegroups.com:

reagan was a terrible president only eclipsed lately by gw bush. his
policies were insane, so the young, dumb conservatives that are
entralled by him only show their immense stupidity. but you know there
is something else, that is never pointed out. if labor had stood up to
him and called a nationwide strike in support of the traffic
controllers, glass-steagall would never have been repealed, and the tens
of millions of american jobs would never have been moved to slave labor
countries. something else that is peddled as gospel but is a falacy is
that as a person ages they give up youthful liberal idealism and become
conservative. as i have aged for one, i have gone from being very
liberal to being socialistic. although a non christian, as a native
american, i don't see how you can be a christian and be indian, i still
like the socialistic ways of jesus in the new testament. it's too bad so
many people calling themselves christians (the bible belt & especially
southern baptists), always support the most reactionary war loving
conservative politicians, who are the exact opposite of jesus, your
leader. jesus would have hated reagan and bush

Sid9

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"Ari David" wrote in message news:iil52d$13v$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

What is often not sighted is the fact that Reagan freed more people from
tyranny than any other human being in history. If you consider the Soviet
Union and it's eastern bloc neighbors as a gigantic prison camp populated by
hundreds of millions of people who were all freed directly by Reagan, the
greatness of this man starts to approach not other founding fathers of our
nation, but some of the great men of recorded history including biblical
history. He can truly be considered a type of Moses of our time, leading the
children of communism out of bondage. His work though is not done. Communism
and Socialism are on the march once again and now the world needs a new set
of leaders who are teachable like Reagan was to learn from Reagan's glorious
and humble life how to free
another generation from the shackles of tyranny once again.

God bless and thank you to Ronald Reagan for his life and God bless him on
his now infinite journey through Heaven. He improved our lives in ways we
will never be able to repay.
.
.
.
.
========================
sid9 sez:

What total rubbish.

The Soviet Union had been on the verge of collapse for many years.
Republican St. Reagan spent us into a huge debt to defend against the
collapsing USSR.
========================

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Chas Edwards

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mazorj

How and where, Chas? Authoritative, dispositive proof that the book
and the
interview were fabricated, please. Not just some biased blatherer's
claims
to that.
Remember, you're the guy who also claimed here just this morning that
the
only indictment arising out of Iran-Contra was about Oliie North's
security
fence, when the truth is that 14 administration officials were
indicted.
Excuse us if we don't put full faith and trust in your undocumented
pronouncements here.
Remember also that you're the guy who further torched your credibility
by
posting all your erroneous political blather *after* your 11/24/10
post
declaring that "If people like Frank Provasek did not post political
rants
this would be a much better forum. I do not care which side is
posting, post
it elsewhere!"
IOW, Chas, even you don't respect your own opinions.
**********
The charge was widely made at the time by Casey's family, to note but
one example. Woodward and Sick notorious for lying and these
circumstances I well understand your admiration for them. Three of a
kind.

Perhaps you would like to prove that Woodward did not make up the
statements attributed to Casey, who had a 24 hour guard as well as
family members present virtually round the clock. Maybe Woodward is
like majorj, just wearing a little tin hat to receive all those
wonderful facts from outer space. Sick was also widely accused of
lying and produced no proof whatsover that his book was anything but
fabrications.

Chas Edwards

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Feb 6, 2011, 8:20:22 PM2/6/11
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Beanie

Clearly, no one factor lead to the collapse of the USSR.
The Cold War arms race nearly bankrupted them, since their economy was
nowhere
near as strong as the USA's.
Repressive control and the failure of communism to provide a
sustainable
economic milieu also threw in their 2 cents.
Reagan or not, the USSR would have folded anyway.
Maybe Reagan's saber rattling hastened it somewhat, maybe it didn't.
Reagan's likeable personality did indeed make him the "teflon
president" but his
administration was riddled with corruption and criminality.
Corruption and criminality that his acolytes today tend to dismiss and
left-wing
hate mongering.
********************
Always nice to hear from those who never met a far-left lie they
didn't like.

Aanderusa

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Feb 6, 2011, 8:48:34 PM2/6/11
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TI saw the interveiw with Bill Orelly where Obama said Egypt would be
transfourmed. This is really scairy that Obama admits this. Obama has been
selected by the Muslims to be the caliphate which will unite the USA,
Europeon Union and Africa and Asia under HIS RULE. This is big! It must be
stopped but I don't know if this might be Gods will and cannot be stopped,
although Isreal will be protected as God promised.

Beanie

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Always nice to hear from those who never met a far-left lie they
> didn't like.

And it's nice to meet a right wing troglodyte who believes everything Glenn Beck
and Limbaugh vomit out.
Welcome back to my killfile, asshole.


mazorj

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Your reading skills are as abysmal as your memory. I asked for
authoritative, dispositive documented proof. All you gave was what I
specifically said was not acceptable - vague hand-waving from someone who,
for reasons I cited in that post, has already torched his credibility. Tell
us again, Chas, how many indictments were handed down as a result of
Iran-Contra? One? Really?

You don't get off that hook with two cheap transparent Usenet ploys that
already were old hat when Iran-Contra went down: trying to dodge the issue,
and doing so with a demand that your accuser do the impossible, i.e., prove
the negative. As I told Ollie, only fools fall for fool's errands. You
made the extraordinary claim that both the book and Woodward were wrong, so
you prove it.

mazorj

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"Chas Edwards" <chas...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Tell us again, Chas. Were you lying, or merely as dumb and ignorant as a
gerbil, when you said today that there was only one indictment arising out
of Iran-Contra?

oly

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On Feb 6, 8:12 pm, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Chas Edwards" <chas....@comcast.net> wrote in message
> you prove it.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I love it when you confuse me with Col. "Ollie" North. It's so damn
patriotic (and reaffirms the dotage angle too)!!!

FWIW, Col. North had better looking secretaries than I could ever
dream of.

oly

FreedomFan

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One of the least credible tales to come out of President Obama's recent
ideological makeover is the story that he is modeling his presidency on
Ronald Reagan's. Time Magazine asserted this week that "there is no
mistaking Obama's increasing reliance on President Reagan's career as a
helpful template for his own." Just to keep this preposterous public
relations ploy in perspective, we have compiled a handy list to remind
people how little these two men have in common:

Reagan: Fostered national pride in the military.
Obama: Fostered gay pride in the military.

Reagan: We begin bombing in five minutes.
Obama: We begin golfing in five minutes.

Reagan: Made big government a bad word.
Obama: Made big government a bad dream.

Reagan: A shining city on a hill.
Obama: A home mortgage under water.

Reagan: Just say no.
Obama: Yes we can!

Reagan: Stood up to the Soviets.
Obama: Bowed to the Saudis.

Reagan: "Tear down this wall."
Obama: Tearing down this country.

Reagan: "Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty."
Obama: Concentrated power has always been the objective.

Reagan: Put labor unions in their place.
Obama: Put labor unions in charge.

Reagan: National health care is socialism.
Obama: National health care is socialism.

Reagan: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."
Obama: We are that generation.

Reagan: Morning in America.
Obama: Mourning for America.

Reagan: "Man is not free unless government is limited."
Obama: Man is not limited unless government is free.

Reagan: "Government programs, once launched, never disappear."
Obama: That's the plan.

Reagan: "The best minds are not in government."
Obama: The best mind is in the Oval Office.

Reagan: "I did not take the oath I have just taken with the intention of
presiding over the dissolution of the world's strongest economy."

Obama: It's all Bush's fault.

Reagan: Our adversaries "counted on America to be passive. They counted
wrong."
Obama: Who else can I apologize to?

Reagan: "Trust, but verify."
Obama: Let's do whatever Putin wants.

Reagan: "We have a rendezvous with destiny."
Obama: I have a rendezvous with destiny.

Reagan: Abortion is murder.
Obama: Abortion is paid for.

Reagan: Thou shalt not speak ill of any Republican.
Obama: Thou shalt not speak to any Republican.

Reagan: Appointed the wise Justice Scalia
Obama: Appointed a wise Latina

Reagan: A citizen-politician
Obama: A citizen (?) politician

Reagan: Proposed a missile defense
Obama: Disposed of missile defense

Reagan: "Go ahead, make my day."
Obama: Go ahead, tax and spend.

Reagan: The nine most terrifying words in the English language are:
Obama: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

Reagan: "Let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission
standards from man-made sources."
Obama: Why not?

Reagan: Middle class values
Obama: Middle class tax hikes

Reagan: "Information is the oxygen of the modern age."
Obama: Invented the internet kill switch.

Reagan: Supported the death penalty
Obama: Supports the death panels

Reagan: "I know that for America there will always be a bright dawn
ahead."
Obama: Let me get back to you on that one.

We knew Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a friend of ours. Mr. Obama, you're
no Ronald Reagan.


Chas Edwards

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On Feb 6, 9:18 pm, "mazorj">

> Tell us again, Chas.  Were you lying, or merely as dumb and ignorant as a
> gerbil, when you said today that there was only one indictment arising out
> of Iran-Contra?
*****************************
Well you have me on just this one point. I was thinking of all the
charges made against Col. North and only the one childish indictment.
I do note, however, that you did not dispute the statement that the
Washington Post set out to destroy North physically, which was
obscene. Judging by the tone of your posts I have little doubt that
this attempt met with your full approval.

I didn't think you could prove that Woodward was telling the truth
about the Casey interview. He was widely accused of lying at the time
and even some of his fellow Liberals refused to defend him. (Most
Liberals, by the way, are honest people, it is just the extremists
like majorj who give Liberalism a bad name.) However, Woodward has
majorj for a boot-licking friend and for whom no lie is too small to
repeat ad nauseum. The Woodward claims were bizarre on the face of it
and merely a cheap attempt by Woodward (in the best tradition of
majorj and the Washington Post) to trash Reagan with fabricated
interviews.

The best way of describing the book by Gary Sick? Sick.

Majorj's problem is that he thinks he is smarter than EVERYBODY else
on this forum and wishes, endlessly, to make this point. Not really,
unless you count repeating what you read on the left-wing blogs as
accurate.

Sid9

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"FreedomFan" wrote in message news:iinmu5$nsr$1...@speranza.aioe.org...

.
.
.
===============================
sid9 sez:

Another St Ronnie would have buried America completely:

ThinkProgress has compiled a list of the top 10 things conservatives rarely
mention when talking about President Reagan:

1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser.

As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase
in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly
doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in
office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan
Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised
taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never
afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s
memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit.

During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly
three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done
altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and
government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth
that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt
and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut.
Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income,
Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.

3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts.

Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax
cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level.
Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided
over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan
disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth
of the 1980′s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has
risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the
top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously.

Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the
runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under
Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize
it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the
future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy
and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of
Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close
to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a
year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.

5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose.

As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the
state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When
Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would
have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the
mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.”

He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear
weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical
account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be
averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,”
the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to
crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger
position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire
world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush,
when he became president.

7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants.

Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the
country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown,
but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were
removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions
more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of
major embarrassment for conservatives.

8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran.

Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in
Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for
American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund
anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already
prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the
Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal
that forced several senior administration officials to resign.

9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act.

which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with
the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled
Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen
fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious
problems that plague that country.”

10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.

Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming,
equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan
funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and
sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence
service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander —
emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy
towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’
close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue
the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role
in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.

Conservatives seem to be in such denial about the less flattering aspects of
Reagan; it sometimes appears as if they genuinely don’t know the truth of
his legacy. Yesterday, when liberal activist Mike Stark challenged hate
radio host Rush Limbaugh on why Reagan remains a conservative hero despite
raising taxes so many times, Limbaugh flew into a tirade and demanded,
“Where did you get this silly notion that Reagan raised taxes?“

oly

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John Francis Mazor's problem is that he has spent too many years as a
hanger-on in Washington D.C. and he has bought the Beltway's
Demopublican big government socialistic kulture hook, line and
sinker. Like so many of his ilk, he can't concieve that the rest of
the country may not have the same obsession with politics. He can't
concieve that the socialism/ paternalism of the last eighty years
(which made Washington so central to the nation) may be on its last
legs because of a lack of funds and because of the disgust and
indignation of the tax paying classes.

oly

Chas Edwards

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Feb 6, 2011, 10:29:59 PM2/6/11
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Beanie
"Chas Edwards" <chas....@comcast.net> wrote in message

*********************************************
I now feel better, having accomplished being put in your killfile. And
calling me your middle name is even more impressive. Or is it your
last name?


Chas Edwards

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On Feb 6, 10:22 pm, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:

8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran.
Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials
in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in
exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales
also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something
Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When
the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know,
was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior
administration officials to resign.

***********
Would you please quote the LAW that made these sales illegal? There
was a non-binding RESOLUTION put through Congress by the Far Left but
I do not know of a law to this effect. It was actually a brilliant
scheme, not only to get the hostages released but let Iran pay the
Nicaraguan rebel expenses. The sad part was that several hostages had
to endure more years of brutal treatment (welcomed by majorj, beanie,
and sid9) because a corrupt American media so hated Reagan that they
even let newsmen rot in these holes.

And why were arms supplied to Tehran by Reagan? It was to maintain the
balance of power, a term well over Sid9's head.

Frank Galikanokus

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oly wrote:
>
> On Feb 6, 10:32 am, Frank Galikanokus <"Frank Galikanokus"@nospam.net>
> wrote:
> > oly wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 6, 8:44 am, Chas Edwards <chas....@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > "Small Executive-branch pecadillo"? Your ability to trivialize Iran-
> > > > Contra
> > > > like that places you in the group of blinkered Reagan idolizers who
> > > > never
> > > > saw a conservative they didn't adore.
> > > > If Obama had broken the law and done violence to U.S. foreign policy
> > > > the way
> > > > Iran-Contra did, you'd be howling for his head on a silver platter.
> >
> > > > **********
> > > > Majorj again shows us how little he actually knows about politics or
> > > > history. There was exactly one criminal prosecution from the Iran-
> > > > Contra matter and that was of Col. North for building a security fence
> > > > to protect his family after the Washington Post had published a map of
> > > > how to find his home and all but invited someone to kill North and his
> > > > family.
> >
> > > Not only was it a Beltway/liberal media tempest in a tea-pot, but it
> > > was TWENTY-FIVE YEARS AGO.
> >
> > > Nobody cared at the time, and certainly nobody with half-a-brain cares
> > > now.
> >
> > > America's Liberal Faggotti class has been trying to recreate Watergate
> > > endlessly for nearly forty years now. That's when folks like Hillary
> > > got their first "legs-up" on the ladder of this world. That was back
> > > when the Liberal Faggotti class could still get it up without pills.
> > > They dream about those "glory" days, now that they are in their sick
> > > and cold dotage.
> >
> > > oly
> >
> > It was 100 years ago and nobody cared at the time, and certainly nobody
> > with half-a-brain cares
> > now.
> >
> > JAM- Hide quoted text -

> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I daresay that nobody did much care 100 years ago, but Reagan will be
> remembered today and probably 2000 years from today. If they can
> remember Galba, Otho and Vitellius, then history will certainly
> remember Ronald Reagan.
>
> oly

No doubt.

JAM

Frank Galikanokus

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So, you are ok with trading arms for hostages and money? Money that was
used to fund terrorist in Nicaragua?

JAM

JSUSA1

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Obama is "transforming America" as he promised at a rapid pace.
Socialist Tendencies of Obama

1. A strong, centralized government.
2. An executive arm growing at the expense of the legislative and judicial
arms.
3. The control of banking, credit and security exchanges by the government.
4. The underwriting of employment by the government, either through
armaments or public works.
5. The underwriting of social security by the government - old-age pensions,
mothers' pensions, unemployment insurance, and the like.
6. The underwriting of food, housing, and medical care, by the government.
7. The use of deficit spending to finance these underwritings.
8. The abandonment of gold in favor of managed currencies.
9. The control of foreign trade by the government.
10. The control of natural resources.
11. The control of energy sources.
12. The control of transportation.
13. The control of agricultural production.
14. The control of labor organizations.
15. The enlistment of young men and women in youth corps devoted to health,
discipline,community service and ideologies consistent with those of the
authorities.
16. Heavy taxation, with special emphasis on the estates and incomes of the
rich.
17. Control of industry without ownership.
18. State control of communications and propaganda.
He and his socialist democrats in our Congress need to be stopped.

Frank Provasek

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On Feb 6, 8:39 am, Chas Edwards <chas....@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Most of the material printed above was based on the articles by Gary
> Sick, an appropriately named journalist. It was long ago proven to be
> fabricated. One is also reminded of the famous Casey death-bed
> interview by Bob Woodward; it too was later proven to be a fraud.

It's been verified by former Iranian president Bani-Sadr in his book.

Frank Provasek

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Feb 7, 2011, 12:15:37 AM2/7/11
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A strong centralized government was supported by Hamilton and
Washington in 1787 after the Articles of Confederation didn't work
out. Lincoln established the Dept of Agriculture, First Highways in
1811, Goverment Hospitals in 1798 under Adams, All these items have
been managed or regulated by the government, mostly since the 1870s or
earlier. Social Security in 1935, Medicare in 1965. Your "stop
socialsim" and blaming Obama simply ridiculous.

Beanie

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"Frank Provasek" <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote in message
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Please trim your headers to prevent crossposting to the limbaugh group.
Dose folks am just plain crazy!


Wrench Bender

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Feb 7, 2011, 1:55:11 AM2/7/11
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Onumnutts should get Calypso Louie Farkakan and former muslim Chicken Roost
Wright to go and spread out the stinking goat dung rugs, and pray to the
clay figurine moon god named allaha!This marxist muslim moron who has never
been in fist fight only used his lying mouth to create problems, never
solve issues, is in a steep learning curve. His eductation in the art of
lying and book training theories just don't cut in the real world. When the
oil spill happened he gathered a Nobel Prize pinhead and several other
educated smucks at a million dollars a pop and theorized for days, went
home and never came up a solution. Just like a Chinese deisel lots of noise
and smoke and no power. Same goes with what is going on over in Eygpt now,
few people getting killed and he rotating thumbs between sitting on one and
pacifing himself with the other one. He can make any serios decisions
except for making a giantic mess of everything.

KDubb513

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obongo just need to crawl back into his hole and shut his stupid mouth and
let someone on the Republican side handle the Egypt crisis before he creates
another Iran.. Obongo is the biggest wuss I've ever seen in my life..

And some truth for you liberal idiots, OBONGO DONT EVEN COME NOWHERE CLOSE
TO COMPARING TO REAGAN.. So get it out of your heads.. By trying to compare
the two to one another, you're only disgracing Reagan..

Desparate is what the dumbacrats are... "Grossly desparate".

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Chas Edwards

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hilarious. Verified? Why would anyone trust anything said by the
crazies that run Iran?

The same government that denied it was involved in the hostage-taking.
Frank believes anyone that hates the U.S. The Sick book is SICK and
virtually no one, except of course the crazy Iranians, say otherwise.

Perhaps Frank would like to defend the Iranian trial now being held
for the tourists who accidentally crossed the border and are being
held in inhumane conditions. That government has assured us, and I am
sure that Frank believes them, that these really are espionage agents
out to overthrow the wonderful people that run Iran.

Chas Edwards

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On Feb 6, 10:57 pm, Frank Galikanokus <"Frank Galikanokus"@nospam.net>
wrote:

****************

Oh, I see, we take YOUR word that anyone opposing tyranny is a
"terrorist." The fact that you have not supplied the law asked for
says all that is necessary about your integrity; there is none.

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Frank Galikanokus

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The government in Nicaragua was elected by the people of Nicaragua. Show me how the
government of Nicaragua wa tyrannical.

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