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Arizona Coin Collector

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Dec 31, 2008, 8:41:37 AM12/31/08
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Hello

Interesting photos on the link below.

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A Texan looks at Lincoln on the 200th anniversary of his birth

By J D Murrah

The 200th birthday of Lincoln celebrations

2009 marks the 200th anniversary of the birth of Abraham
Lincoln and Charles Darwin. Both men were responsible for
shaping the way that people looked at themselves. Both
men made radical changes in their perspective fields.
The bicentennial of Lincoln's birth is the focal point
of many political pundits. With the approaching
bicentennial of his birth, people will examine who he
was and what he did.

Throughout the State of Illinois and Washington D. C.,
plans are being made to commemorate the birth of this
politician who is an icon in American and International
politics. Several national polls
(Gallup-2007, ABC -2000) ranked him the most influential
and best president. In the polls where he is not first,
he is often considered in the top three of Presidents
considered the "best".

Scheduled Celebration Events

In Washington, D.C., the following events are scheduled
as part of the celebrations:

· February 12, 2009, Lincoln's Birthday Tribute and
Wreath Laying

· February 12, 2009 - Reopening of Ford's Theatre

· April 12, 2009 (Easter Sunday) Re-enactment of Marian
Anderson's Easter Concert

· April 16, 2009 Emancipation Day Parade

April 16-19, 2009 American Association of Lincoln Presenters

· May 30, 2009 Re-Dedication of the Lincoln Memorial

There will also be two versions of a commemorative penny.
The commemorative coin will emphasize the childhood of
this political figure. Besides coins, there are
commemorative plates and other items marking the
bicentennial of Lincoln. The commemorative penny will
feature scenes associated with Lincoln's past on the
obverse side of the coin. This is not the first
Lincoln commemorative coin. On the centennial of his
birth, a half-dollar coin was minted to mark the
occasion.

The famous Lincoln Logs are also planning a
commemorative edition of their product to mark the
bicentennial of this President.

Celebrations are also planned at the University of
Illinois and Loyola University and other locations
throughout the States of Illinois, Kentucky and
Indiana.


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Mark B.

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Dec 31, 2008, 3:35:15 PM12/31/08
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Darwin was a great man, proving that God doesn't exist.

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John Ahnen

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Dec 31, 2008, 12:58:45 PM12/31/08
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He "proved" no such thing. What you or I choose to believe is up to us.
Darwin merely proposed a theory to dispute the creationist theory widely
accepted by most religions. As far me (still unable to grasp infinity) I
think that everything there is had to come from somewhere, somehow....

Just my two cents. John

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note.boy

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Dec 31, 2008, 2:18:29 PM12/31/08
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Here's one explanation of infinity.

Once every 10,000 years a magical bird flies over a mountain and drops a
feather, when the feathers have worn the mountain flat, that's infinity.
Billy


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Mr. Jaggers

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Dec 31, 2008, 2:54:35 PM12/31/08
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John Ahnen wrote:
> He "proved" no such thing. What you or I choose to believe is up to
> us. Darwin merely proposed a theory to dispute the creationist theory
> widely accepted by most religions. As far me (still unable to grasp
> infinity) I think that everything there is had to come from
> somewhere, somehow....

From the standard scientific point of view, Darwin formulated a hypothesis
based upon what he observed and then proceeded to test it in a variety of
ways. Once he found evidence to support that hypothesis, that hypothesis
became a theory. It remains a theory today, supported by overwhelming
evidence, to the point where, in the words of the late, great Stephen Jay
Gould, "it would be perverse to wothhold provisional assent." But no theory
ever achieves 100% confirmation, as there is always more research that can
be done.

His findings, by the way, neither prove nor disprove the existence of God.
Being evidence-based, science can only deal with the natural world and by
definition cannot deal with the supernatural world. So, your observation
that "everything there is had to come from somewhere, somehow..." can remain
intact and valid. I am convinced that, while science can and does explore
the realm of Time = Zero plus, and make that "plus" ever smaller and
smaller, it will never be able to examine T = Zero to learn the Who, How,
and Why.

James


mazorj

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"Mark B." <belli...@aol.spam.com> wrote in message
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> Darwin was a great man, proving that God doesn't exist.

How so?

Mark B.

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"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> How so?

Translation: mazorj needs to go back to school


mazorj

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"Mark B." <belli...@aol.spam.com> wrote in message
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I have plenty of schooling on Darwin. More than you, obviously, and
more than enough to know that he didn't "disprove the existence of
God". So justify your statement. Otherwise, the real translation is
"Mark B. is an ignorant troll."

Which, in view of your goofy economic analyses here, seems more and
more to be the case.


John Ahnen

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Dec 31, 2008, 6:52:37 PM12/31/08
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James, I agree with what you said, which as usual is much more eloquent than
I could express.

Happy New Year to you and all the rcc'ers. (trolls excluded) may 2009 and
beyond be numismatically friendly and prosperous for all of us.

John (top posting again)

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Bruce Remick

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"note.boy" <note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Here's one explanation of infinity.
>
> Once every 10,000 years a magical bird flies over a mountain and drops a
> feather, when the feathers have worn the mountain flat, that's infinity.
> Billy

Yeah, but............. how far am I seeing when looking up into the sky with
a powerful telescope. Where's it all end?


Peter

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Dec 31, 2008, 9:12:23 PM12/31/08
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On Dec 31, 8:41 am, "Arizona Coin Collector" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote:

... "· April 12, 2009 (Easter Sunday) Re-enactment of Marian
Anderson's Easter Concert " ...

So ... who stands in for Marian Anderson?


note.boy

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"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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42. Billy


Mike Marotta

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(Where are Gandalf and Aragorn? Never around when you are surrounded
by trolls ... )

For one thing, the title of the thread is a play on A TEXAN LOOKS AT
LYNDON, a classic conservative tract of the 1960s, exposing the
scandals surrounding Lyndon Baines Johnson's rise in politics. All of
that aside ...

You have to wonder what Lincoln would have thought of himself on a
coin. I feel that he would have objected. At least, I like to think
so.

The fact remains that the Lincoln Cent started the trend away from
Liberty on the coins and to the present situation of dead
politicians. One problem with that -- politics aside -- is that there
are many ways to allegorize Liberty but only so many ways to portray
Franklin D. Roosevelt. You are sort of limited there. So, the coins
become caricatures of themselves -- Spaghetti Hair Quarters.

I wholly support the viewpoint that without their wives many of our so-
called "leaders" would never have gotten much of anywhere, or gotten
through the crises in their administrations. Eleanor Roosevelt is an
easy example. She was the true vice president. Woodrow Wilson's
second wife, Edit Galt. has been accused of making herself regent.
Abigail Adams was probably the best example of a First Partner. Short
of that, however, the First Wives Club Coins remind me of the "Genuine
Nearly Silver Mongol Emperors" statues from Cyril Kornbluth's _The
Space Merchants_. Children of the Presidents... Dogs of the
Presidents...

The presidents are not that important, you know. This is a republic.
What about the Speakers of the House Dimes or the Justices of the
Supreme Court Half Dollar? (House Minority Whip Half Cent, anyone?)

That's why this Lincoln Cent thing, nice as it may be, sort of
detracts from the fundamental virtues of a democratic society that
created a constitutional republic to handle the details of social
living, so that we could all get on with more important tasks, like
trade, commerce, industry, invention, artistic creation, and the other
essential elements of civilization.

Frankly, I'd rather see America's Nobel Prize Winners.
And I have to repeat that I like to think that Lincoln would have
agreed.

Mike M.
Michael E. Marotta
"... and to the REPUIBLIC for which it STANDS..."

Bruce Remick

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"note.boy" <note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I've been there and can see past it.


mazorj

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"Mike Marotta" <mer...@torchlake.com> wrote in message
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> (Where are Gandalf and Aragorn? Never around when you are
> surrounded
> by trolls ... )
>
> For one thing, the title of the thread is a play on A TEXAN LOOKS AT
> LYNDON, a classic conservative tract of the 1960s, exposing the
> scandals surrounding Lyndon Baines Johnson's rise in politics. All
> of
> that aside ...
>
> You have to wonder what Lincoln would have thought of himself on a
> coin. I feel that he would have objected. At least, I like to
> think so.

Probably, but what politician is going to admit that truth be told, at
least a part of him wouldn't mind being memorialized on coins,
statues, monuments, or town, street, and school names?

> The fact remains that the Lincoln Cent started the trend away from
> Liberty on the coins and to the present situation of dead
> politicians. One problem with that -- politics aside -- is that
> there
> are many ways to allegorize Liberty but only so many ways to portray
> Franklin D. Roosevelt. You are sort of limited there. So, the
> coins
> become caricatures of themselves -- Spaghetti Hair Quarters.
>
> I wholly support the viewpoint that without their wives many of our
> so-
> called "leaders" would never have gotten much of anywhere, or gotten
> through the crises in their administrations. Eleanor Roosevelt is
> an
> easy example. She was the true vice president. Woodrow Wilson's
> second wife, Edit Galt. has been accused of making herself regent.
> Abigail Adams was probably the best example of a First Partner.
> Short
> of that, however, the First Wives Club Coins remind me of the
> "Genuine
> Nearly Silver Mongol Emperors" statues from Cyril Kornbluth's _The
> Space Merchants_. Children of the Presidents... Dogs of the
> Presidents...

Oy! "The Space Merchants" was a great 1950s satire. I read it in the
1960s (twice, under both titles - the original was "Gravy Planet"
IIRC) and had forgotten the statues bit. The more things change...

BTW, Frederik Pohl co-authored it. He was in marketing so he probably
was the source of a lot of the parody schtick.

> The presidents are not that important, you know. This is a
> republic.
> What about the Speakers of the House Dimes or the Justices of the
> Supreme Court Half Dollar? (House Minority Whip Half Cent, anyone?)

Oh, we've hardly exhausted the possibilities for presidents yet:

The Richard M. Nixon "Two-Faced Dollar" - both sides bearing his
likeness.

The William Henry Harrison "Limited Edition Dollar" - will be minted
only from March 4 to April 4.

The William Howard Taft "Big Buck" - 50% bigger than the average
dollar coin.

The Millard Fillmore Dollar - with a blank field where his face would
go because nobody can remember what he looked like, let alone what he
did in office.

And perhaps best of all, a promotional piece by the Mint to get people
to use dollar coins - the George W. Bush "Pass the Buck" dollar.

> That's why this Lincoln Cent thing, nice as it may be, sort of
> detracts from the fundamental virtues of a democratic society that
> created a constitutional republic to handle the details of social
> living, so that we could all get on with more important tasks, like
> trade, commerce, industry, invention, artistic creation, and the
> other
> essential elements of civilization.
>
> Frankly, I'd rather see America's Nobel Prize Winners.
> And I have to repeat that I like to think that Lincoln would have
> agreed.

You can come up with any number of themes for coins, but the
circulating "regular" issues should be limited to the most central
themes and the highest level of office holders. If you want to
commemorate other events or individuals, well, that's what
commemorative issues are for. The state quarters may have been a good
marketing gimmick but it marked a departure from the distinction
between regular and commemorative issues of circulating coins. It's
been all downhill from there.


note.boy

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"mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Some great suggestions there, send them to Washington. :-) Billy


mazorj

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"Bruce Remick" <rem...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Heh, heh. Good 'un, Billy.

> I've been there and can see past it.

To the Rainbow's End?


mazorj

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Mair-zee bo-coopses.


Bruce Remick

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No, not all the way. The rainbow ends in my neighbor's field, and he has
this dog......


Mark B.

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"note.boy" <note...@naespamntlworld.com> wrote > Once every 10,000 years a

magical bird flies over a mountain and drops a feather, when the feathers
have worn the mountain flat, that's infinity.


I know someone who has an actual feather from Gabriel's wing. Wonder what
that would bring at auction?


Jerry Dennis

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On Jan 1, 10:44�am, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote, in part:

> And perhaps best of all, a promotional piece by the Mint to get people
> to use dollar coins - the George W. Bush "Pass the Buck" dollar.

I'm inclined to consider the Truman dollar that nobody would accept,
simply because, "the buck stops here." There's humor in there,
someplace.

Jerry

mazorj

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On Jan 1, 10:44?am, "mazorj" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote, in part:

Somewhere in there... damifino, though.


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