Re: Hot Topics by Laura Sperber
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"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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> Coin Doctoring What Has Changed?
> Posted by CoinWeek on March 20, 2011 8:26 AM
>
> Hot Topics by Laura Sperber
>
>
> I have not written a HOT TOPICS in a while because I an burnt out from
> fighting about coin doctoring. At least there has been small postive
> steps happen. The good thing is we do have a lot of collectors more
> aware and many are talking and learning more. The issue definately is
> not hidden anymore. The bad thing-what really gets me going-is how the
> dealers will say yeah we agree then just turn their backs and keep
> supporting the doctors in ways they feel are justified. Its a disgrace.
> I believe the problem lies with the dealers who for the most part are
> enablers.
>
> At the Sacramento ANA Show I saw lots of people openly dealing with
> KNOWN coin doctors. The crackout guys especially flock to them (crackout
> guys in my opinion are a world class problem too). Several doctors were
> set up and had unsuspecting collectors buying. Even worse, I saw several
> well known retail dealers doing business with these guys. I do not think
> this is desperation-just greed.
>
> For as much as I live for this cause, I can not spend all my monies
> involved in lawsuits if I named names of these guys. PCGS can and has
> via their lawsuit. Unfotunately, the rats have done nothing directly to
> me where I can attack and out them. I am openly now suggesting that ALL
> collectors MUST ask your dealer who these scum are-and you MUST avoid
> them. Its time to cut them off. If your dealer says they do not know-
> time for a new dealer. Its also time for the auction companies to have a
> little more honesty in their descriptions. Maybe for once, one of them
> simply will not accept a coin or two. You need to have a ZERO tolerance
> for ANY dealer who agress with coin doctoring or won’t fight to end it.
>
> PCGS certainly has done a tremendous amount to slow the success rate of
> these guys. Sadly, that has not stopped the doctors. We all know the
> doctors feel they have a right to destroy coins and have made it a cat
> and mouse game. I know things are getting slightly better as CAC has
> informed me they are seeing fewer doctored coins. The key word is fewer-
> which is still not the same as stopped. So the fight MUST go on even
> harder.
>
> Of course the PNG now pretty much has laid down to its coin doctor
> laiden membership. I am furious at the ANA for teaming up with them for
> the summer show. That could potentially HURT the collector. BOTH of
> these organizations MUST do something. The fact that Bob Bruggeman (the
> director of PNG) can’t corral his membership about this shows how deeply
> rooted this disease is (and to make it worse, the motion to dismiss the
> dialogue was made by major retail dealer). I seriously wonder how any
> decent dealer could still be a PNG member if the PNG does not denounce
> coin doctoring.
>
> In the end, what I have said here is the same battle cry I have been
> saying. My blood pressure is at a high boiling point now. I know
> tomorrow when I go down to the show I’ll see the doctored dreck in every
> other case and the coin docs doing all the business they can. I’ll see
> all the major retail dealers just looking away and acting like there is
> no problem. If I could, I’d love to start outting those greedy whores-
> but then of course I’ll have to endure my Hot Topics being called self
> serving, grandstanding or something else stupid. I strongly believe if
> you want to act like a great friend to collectors and claim your coins
> are great-then do not lie about it and handle doctored coins. Sorry
> folks, this where dealers who sell mostly (but NOT all) CAC are making a
> huge statement.
>
> My message remains clear and simple: I have to say it again: Come on
> people-PUSH HARDER to say NO to coin doctors!!! Make your dealer talk
> and make them stop supporting these guys. There simply is NO excuse for
> ruining a single coin. There is no excuse for NOT careing (if you are a
> dealer). There is NO excuse for dealing with them either. We MUST make
> coin doctoring stop.
If we can't make people stop making phony knock-off products, what are the
prospects for coin doctoring? Who else cares outside the numismatic
fraternity? If you can't name these "doctors" for fear of a lawsuit, what
good is spouting generalities while indicating that you know their names
(wink. wink.)? That can only taint innocent dealers by inuendo. (Some
dealers are crooked but sorry, I can't tell you which ones.) If PCGS knows
who they are and their names appear in a lawsuit, why can't you simply quote
PCGS or provide a link to the lawsuit details? I would be willing to bet
that my dealer, a struggling strip mall guy, doesn't know their names. If
PCGS would quit slabbing their coins and/or prosecute anyone in the US who
messes with their slabs, most of us who rely on services like PCGS to do our
authenticating wouldn't need to know who the crooks are.
oly
>
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The real problem is the entire contrived business of selling "rare in
this condition" U.S. coins.
Buy rare coins (coins that are available in limited numbers), and
maybe the issue of coin doctoring doesn't go away, but at least it
primarily shifts to the issue of authenticity.
With the abuse by the sellers of "rare in this condition" and also the
counterfeiters, I can eventually see where whole areas of the U.S.
coin market sooner or later lose their liquidity/ saleability or re-
saleability.
This is compounded by the poor demographics of the U.S. coin
collector/ investor base.
These issues make me think that I need to get off my duff and peddle
some of my U.S. stuff.
But then, I gotta do something will that $$$.
Long trip to England and Scotland sounds nice.
oly
Gary
spelling.
Bob
> This Sperber woman is really hateful. Her company, Legend coins,
> sold one of the 1913 Liberty nickels which was known for many decades
> to have an obvious planchet flaw near the date. Suddenly the flaw is
> gone. When the noted owner of Anaconda coins called her on the
> deception, this is how Miss Sperber replied on the NGC board.
>
> I'm not done with you. I am only going to make this one appearance.
>
> You are a pathetic liar and scum bag who is crying for attention. Yeah,
> I said that-and oh I meant it. Better yet, I will prove it.
>
> Proof: Legend did sell the 1913 to a collector in CA (just call Ron
> Gillio) for $5 million dollars. In fact Coin World has a copy of the
> actually wire tranfer.
>
> Proof: the 1913 was NEVER EVER repaired. No auction catalog or any major
> dealer has ever questioned the coin. David Hall will tell you PCGS
> almost graded it PR67. PCGS will verify it has never been repaired.
>
> Proof: You have NEVER seen the 1C 1793 in person. THERE ARE NO SCRATHES.
> Eat your heart out fool-TDN was offered a $500,000.00 real profit by one
> of the sharpest dealer in the biz right after he bought it. How come
> only you-someone who never saw the coin in person sees these things????
>
> Proof: I was NEVER banned from ANY shows in the NE.
>
> I think its great you are making yourself look like the biggest whack
> job ever in numismatics.
>
> Its one thing you want to attack us, its another when you lie in your
> attacks.
>
> I'm sure you'll try to stir the pot further and make me reappear. Ain't
> happening troll. Flame me all you want. Your credibility was done in a
> long time ago.
>
> And for the record, I can go on the PCGS Forum anytime I want. I choose
> not too.
>
> Laura Sperber-yes folks, it is me! _________________________
> I'll always tell it like it is. I love handling the finest coins that
> exist!
Nothing against Laura Sperber, and I don't know which of the 1913
Liberty Head nickels was repaired, or when, but anyone wishing to
investigate this is advised to look at the photos in the auction
catalogs and judge for themselves. One of them has been repaired for
sure.