The fate of rec.collecting.coins in in your hands
G
were
many active participants representing all areas of collecting, ranging from
newbies to advanced collectors, major dealers, scholars such as Reid
Goldsborough,
Mike Marotta and R.W. Julian. But there was an enemy of this community.
He used aliases to set people against each other, and even sent email
tirades
and spam to make it look as if one participant had done it to another. He
was
a cancer, eating the group from the inside out.
Practically no one noticed, because good people aren't quick to discover
when Absolute Evil has arrived in their midst. And he had an interesting
tactic: generate enough disguises and enough lies, and the average Good
Person simply won't punch through the cloud.
Today, rec.collecting.coins is under a death sentence mandated by a person
who much cleverer than you are at the tactics of evil. You don't seem
to understand that he wants to kill you, not physically, but to kill the
part of you who enjoys the pleasure of conversing about the joy of coins.
In this thread, I have seen you criticize each other, which is a
bit like helping the executioner knot the rope. I have watched some
individuals seeking help be brutally attacked. This is because Absolute
Evil
has asked so many charmingly novice type questions, under so many aliases,
and
so many of you have offered to help, only to be attacked, slandered and
cursed
for your help, that you now look at any new poster with a jaded eye.
Will RCC become one of the many once vibrant, now abandoned newsgroups, or
will
it thrive in spite of the efforts of Absolute Evil? Permit me to suggest a
few simple
principles that would give you a better chance.
1. Do not respond to these posts, and do not respond to people who respond.
Let them die!
2. Your debates about these individuals are avidly read by The Evil. You're
writing their personal tabloid, which they very much enjoy. Cease
publication immediately!
3. Understand who your friends are. Since coin grading is subjective, no
coin
seller can please everyone all the time. Earning a profit is not a crime.
No one
is perfect, but those who continue to participate in RCC should be
encouraged.
4. Do not discuss strategy publicly. They read it, love it, and negate it.
Communicate privately.
5. Issue no threats. They love to show you're impotent. Why give them the
means?
6. Continue to report posts to the abuse address shown in the headers. But
make
no public comments such as "I have reported you and I hope you lose your
account!!"
You have a choice. If you choose to unite and fight the Evil, you will be
rewarded with the knowledge that you tried to preserve freedom of expression
for
all coin collectors. You won't find that on the PCGS forum. Not on the NGC
forum.
Not on the forums created in response to censorship on the latter two, such
as
Open Forum Refuge or Coin Talk. Not on Yahoo groups. Certainly not on eBay
forums
where you can lose your livelihood for expressing your opinion.
If you continue to attack each other, it could be argued you deserve your
fate.
Bruce Remick
"G" <anon...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote in message
news:ggmsj3$sdp$1...@aioe.org...
I hope this wasn't your Masters thesis. I think I saw a grammatical error.
And I'm almost sure I heard the exact same thing in Hyde Park.
Jim Menning
"G" <anon...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote in message news:ggmsj3$sdp$1...@aioe.org...
>
You are doing a great job of giving him all the attention he wants.
By doing so, you are a major part of the problem. Now go away.
Ken Barr
rca...@live.com wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
> On Nov 27, 11:31 am, "G" <anonym...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote:
> > Ten years ago, rec.collecting.coins was not the wreck it is today. There
> > were
> > many active participants representing all areas of collecting, ranging
> > from
> > newbies to advanced collectors, major dealers, scholars...
>
> Usenet
> 1980-2008
> R.I.P.
Nah, most of us OldeTimers date the Death of Usenet
at September 1993 ... Google "eternal September"
for the <AOL> gory </AOL> details ...
[Am I the only one still around who ever posted
to net.rec.coins, before The Great Renaming??]
--
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P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA 95152 (souvenir cards, MPC, Hickey Bros tokens)
408-272-3247 Next show: Chico CC 12/14 (tentative, no table)
B.J.
>
> [Am I the only one still around who ever posted
> to net.rec.coins, before The Great Renaming??]
No. Here's a message of mine from before the Internet existed.
http://groups.google.com/group/net.rec.coins/msg/8a23dee56eb2a829?hl=en
Twenty four years ago (minus five days).
B.J. Herbison
Superfly
>
> > Usenet
> > 1980-2008
> > R.I.P.
>
> Nah, most of us OldeTimers date the Death of Usenet
> at September 1993 ... Google "eternal September"
> for the <AOL> gory </AOL> details ...
>
No that was a mere disease. Asshat politicians are what killed it.
Superfly
rec.collecting.coins.reid.goldsborough maybe we should post there
instead?
sgt23
> x-no-archive:yes
> On Nov 27, 11:31 am, "G" <anonym...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote:
>
> > were
> > many active participants representing all areas of collecting, ranging from
>
> Usenet
> 1980-2008
> R.I.P.
>
> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2326848,00.asp
It may be dead as it was once known. But dead would mean you are
unable to access it. Which I still do through google.
Reid Goldsborough
> Ten years ago, rec.collecting.coins was not the wreck it is today. There
> were
> many active participants representing all areas of collecting, ranging from
> newbies to advanced collectors, major dealers, scholars such as Reid
> Goldsborough,
> Mike Marotta and R.W. Julian. But there was an enemy of this community.
The above is a person who thinks he's clever. You put my name in front
of Bob Julian's. Gee, I wonder who you are, you anonymous.anonymous
you. Kind of a byzantine thing to do, this.
Lorrie S.
news:ggmsj3$sdp$1...@aioe.org...
I've seen the scum regulars in this newsgroup run off a lot of good and
informative posters over the years. Tom Klein comes immediately to mind as
one of the best and most knowledgable.
Frank Provasek
> "G" <anonym...@anonymous.anonymous> wrote in message
>
> news:ggmsj3$sdp$1...@aioe.org...
>
> > Ten years ago, rec.collecting.coins was not the wreck it is today.
>
> I've seen the scum regulars in this newsgroup run off a lot of good and
> informative posters over the years.
If you mean Bob Finnan, Bob Olson, and yourself as "scum regulars"
then I agree.
note.boy
"Reid Goldsborough" <reidgold...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:95e8dd08-4d9d-4b42...@v4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Perhaps you have a secret admirer? :-) Billy
RWF
news:896e5c36-043f-42a7...@h5g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
.
>If you mean Bob Finnan, Bob Olson, and yourself as "scum regulars" then
>I agree.
Fwankie, why don't you tell us why eBay stripped you of your "Power
Seller" status?
I can only assume you must have done something terrible, since you
refuse to address this issue.
What are you trying to hide?
At least let's hear one of your humorous conspiracy theories or one of
your whines about how you're losing $10K a month on eBay because
everybody on RCC is being mean to you!
Lorrie S.
If you mean Bob Finnan, Bob Olson, and yourself as "scum regulars"
then I agree.
Who is Bob Olson? All I know is that you people ran off Tom Klein, who was
the most knowledgable coin collector on the entire group.
Lorrie S.
then I agree.
And don't try lumping me in with some crowd of deficient, dysfunctional
posters. I've forgotten more than most of you people know about coins.
Anka
wrote:
> On Nov 30, 5:29�am, "note.boy" <note....@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps you have a secret admirer? �:-) �Billy
>
I guess it's not surprising that your secret admirer is not a she.
~Anka
Mike Marotta
> I guess it's not surprising that your secret admirer is not a she.
> ~Anka
Only because _he_ is not a she. Although, if you use the Advanced
Search for
"Reid Goldsborough sockpuppet" you will see that sometimes he is a
she.
The <g> is a hallmark.
In the opening post in this topic thread, repetition ("enjoy the joy")
is another hallmark.
From: flip1...@aol.compulsion (Phil DeMayo)
Date: 10 May 2004 08:05:54 GMT
Local: Mon, May 10 2004 3:05 am
Subject: ACG and a Reid Goldsborough Sock Puppet
On February the 10th of 2001 an anonymous poster using the handle
"coin
collector" started a thread titled "ACG: What you can do". The
original post
contained a sample letter critical of ACG that the poster suggested
should be
sent to ACG dealers:
http://tinyurl.com/2kggn
The funny thing is, the post contained a one line sig-file....a link
to Reid
Goldsborough's old web page on Draped Bust dollars.....hmmm. Reid made
the same
mistake when he used the "pseudonym" Jay Berman to respond to BillW
who had
hinted at legal action against certain RCC posters.
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins
From: Coin Collector <coincollec...@home.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:07:34 GMT
Local: Sat, Feb 10 2001 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: ACG: What you can do
On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:56:19 GMT, Coin Collector
<coincollec...@home.com> wrote:
>Every time you see a dealer selling ACG coins online, email him this.
>Every time you see a dealer on a bourse floor selling ACG coins, give
>him a printed version of this. (Or something like it.)
Your choice: Use your name, or do it anonymously (or semi-anonymously
<g>). Just get the word out.
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins
From: Alan & Erin Williams <willia...@mindspring.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:37:14 -0400
Local: Thurs, Oct 24 2002 12:37 am
Subject: Re: Earth to "the" Dave A. Vogel, Where R U?
But Phil! We have Reid Goldsborough's *word* that he used sock
puppets
only *only* to conduct a flame war against me! Just as when I
blocked
Reid's e-mail address he mailed me from the account of 'Jody
Leiberman'
to bypass my filter, and then identified her to me as 'a secretary of
a
friend, I just happened to be in her office'.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins
From: "PC" <PCame...@Minneapolis.mn.us>
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:06:48 -0500
Local: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:06 am
Subject: Re: People are stupid
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"Reid Goldsborough" <reidgoldsboro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:49:11 -0700, "Bob G." <robertgra...@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>>I think that calling the person who called the seller stupid is stupid.
> Who would have guessed it? DeMayo is trying to pull another thread
> into the gutter. He's an unethical trolling dullard who seeks to
> disrupt threads. Again and again and again.
Another sock puppet?
Dik T. Winter
...
> [Am I the only one still around who ever posted
> to net.rec.coins, before The Great Renaming??]
No. Around 1985/86. (The Renaming was 01/01/1987.)
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PC
*who cares history snipped*
>
> Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins
> From: "PC" <PCame...@Minneapolis.mn.us>
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:06:48 -0500
> Local: Wed, Aug 22 2007 10:06 am
> Subject: Re: People are stupid
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> "Reid Goldsborough" <reidgoldsboro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:49:11 -0700, "Bob G." <robertgra...@nospam.net>
> > wrote:
> >>I think that calling the person who called the seller stupid is stupid.
> > Who would have guessed it? DeMayo is trying to pull another thread
> > into the gutter. He's an unethical trolling dullard who seeks to
> > disrupt threads. Again and again and again.
>
> Another sock puppet?
Huh? I am not entirely sure if you are alleging that I am a sock
puppet. If so, I am no suck puppet! But then again... does a sock
puppet know they are one?
Chuck D'Ambra
wrote:
> In article <ken-C8AF95.2...@aioe.cjb.net> Ken Barr
> <k...@kenbarr.com> writes:
> ...
> > [Am I the only one still around who ever posted
> > to net.rec.coins, before The Great Renaming??]
>
> No. Around 1985/86. (The Renaming was 01/01/1987.)
I read and occasionally posted to Usenet before the great renaming but
not coin related.
As it seems the answer to Ken's question is that he's indeed the only
one from that time still active in Usenet coin discussions, is there
anyone else from before r.c.c was created still participating? (r.c.c.
was created in late 1994, and prior to then one could find a few coin
related discussions in rec.collecting).
--
Chuck D'Ambra, Telesphere Numismatics
web site address: www.telecoins.com
remove the upper case letters if replying by e-mail
PC
> In article <KB7H73....@cwi.nl>, "Dik T. Winter" <Dik.Win...@cwi.nl>
> wrote:
>
> > In article <ken-C8AF95.21432228112...@aioe.cjb.net> Ken Barr
> > <k...@kenbarr.com> writes:
> > ...
> > > [Am I the only one still around who ever posted
> > > to net.rec.coins, before The Great Renaming??]
>
> > No. Around 1985/86. (The Renaming was 01/01/1987.)
>
> I read and occasionally posted to Usenet before the great renaming but
> not coin related.
>
> As it seems the answer to Ken's question is that he's indeed the only
> one from that time still active in Usenet coin discussions, is there
> anyone else from before r.c.c was created still participating? (r.c.c.
> was created in late 1994, and prior to then one could find a few coin
> related discussions in rec.collecting).
>
I first discovered it in the summer of 92 or 93, I think. I only read
groups about movies, the game nethack, and programming. It would be
2-3 years before I posted again when, being a Packers fan displaced in
the land of Vikings, found the Packers NG.
Mike Marotta
> As it seems the answer to Ken's question is that he's indeed the only
> one from that time still active in Usenet coin discussions, is there
> anyone else from before r.c.c was created still participating?
At the 1994 ANA convention in Detroit, did we not have a meeting of
the online people? Was that not the CompuServe group? At that same
time, there was the maillist co...@cobra.edu. That was the root of
rec.collecting.coins, if I am not mistaken. In fact, not much has
changed, really.
Mike M.
Michael E. Marotta
Frank Provasek
I was on Compuserve from 1982-92 when it was $6 an hour for
300 baud dial up! I remember a coin SIG (Special Interest Group)
but I guess I spent more time on the CoinNet teletype which was
flat rate, although about $300 a month if I recall. That was a slow
110
baud, and I remember making periodic broadcast messages by
punching them on paper tape so you didn't have to retype everything.
--
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11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC - Full Time Since 1991
sgt23
> 11259, Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association,
> Member TNA, ANA, PCGS, NGC - Full Time Since 1991
I discovered usenet at the end of 1998 when I was using webtv. Yes I
had a computer but webtv internet was cheaper. I found RCC on usenet
sometime in 1999 when I first got really interested in Numismatic
subjects. Back then usenet was a lot more informative and there was a
lot less fighting. Them days are gone and that my 2 cents worth.
Mike Marotta
> a slow 110 baud, and ... punching them on paper tape ...
Right. I did some of that for Liberty Coins of Lansing when Bill
Bradford owned it.
We still have a lot of telegraphy under the keyboard. The width of
the paper tape limited the number of bits to a character and therefore
the number of characters possible. Our "control" characters such as
Ctrl-G for the Bell are from teletype days. We call the international
police agency INTERPOL because that was their telex address. We do
not see the 80-character line much anymore, but the 80-column punch
card from Hollerith was based on the "horseblanket" paper money of the
1880s. Hermann Hollerith decided that the paper money was a
convenient size that people were comfortable handling, so he made that
the dimensions for the punched cards in his sorting machine. So,
there is a direct numismatic link there.
PC
> On Dec 1, 11:53 pm, Frank Provasek <fr...@frankcoins.com> wrote:
>
> >... the CoinNet teletype which was ...
> > a slow 110 baud, and ... punching them on paper tape ...
>
> Right. I did some of that for Liberty Coins of Lansing when Bill
> Bradford owned it.
>
> We still have a lot of telegraphy under the keyboard. The width of
> the paper tape limited the number of bits to a character and therefore
> the number of characters possible. Our "control" characters such as
> Ctrl-G for the Bell are from teletype days.
Yeah that pesky newline character, or characters as is the case with
WIndows (CR/LF), goes back to typewriters.
Chuck D'Ambra
<b7f3a1cf-bd2a-4742...@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Mike Marotta <mer...@torchlake.com> wrote:
I don't know about a meeting at the 1994 ANA Convention, which I didn't
attend, but no doubt there was other non-Usenet coin activity online
before r.c.c was created.
There was some preliminary discussion in rec.collecting of compiling a
Coin Collecting FAQ not long before the birth of r.c.c, and the first
version was "published" on my web site in early 1995. Mike has made
some noteworthy contributions to it. Among the topics covered were
online coin groups and mailing lists, which I'm sure included the
CompuServe Group and the co...@cobra.edu mailing list. The proposal and
call for votes that led to the creation of r.c.c were probably announced
in whatever relevant mailing lists and discussion groups were known, as
well as in rec.collecting.
Several other r.c.c participants contributed to the FAQ, but I don't
recall any of them (other than Mike) posting here in a long time. I
plan to update it again in the coming months, and perhaps some of the
current crop of regulars would like to get involved. That may include
relevant material you've already written and posted on another web site
that may be worth a link in the FAQ, material you'd like me to work into
the main body, or an update of an existing topic. As far as a possible
addition, it needs to be a topic of interest to other coin collectors -
something that's "frequently asked" - and primarily educational, rather
than commercial. Here are links to the Coin Collecting FAQ, where all
contributors are credited:
http://www.telecoins.com/faq.html What's It Worth
http://www.telecoins.com/faq2.html Collecting and Investing Topics
http://www.telecoins.com/gloss.html Glossary of Numismatic Terms
Mike Marotta
wrote:
> I guess I didn't make myself clear enough before. Ask Michael Marotta
> who started this thread. ... Then ask him why he felt compelled to do
> this. ...
I did not start this thread.
Anka
wrote:
> I guess I didn't make myself clear enough before. Ask Michael Marotta
> otherwise. Tell him his truthfulness is a test of his character. Refer
> to objectivism if you'd like. Then ask him why he felt compelled to do
> this. If you think of it. ask him what he meant by "Absolute Evil."
> LOL. Read the opening post again to see this in context. This is
> better than watching Seinfeld reruns.
You're batty, Reid. The style exhibited in the post doesn't even
remotely resemble Mike's. Plus, Mike would never refer to you as a
scholar. <g>
~Anka
Phil DeMayo
> You're batty, Reid. �The style exhibited in the post doesn't even
> remotely resemble Mike's. �Plus, Mike would never refer to you as a
> scholar. �<g>
>
> ~Anka
Whoever wrote that made me giggle