Re: Coins For Sale
Jamie
http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html
Reported again and again and again and again and again and again and again
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again and again and again and again and again and again and again, as usual.
Frank Provasek
from the "call for votes" during the proposed group creation in 1994
rec.collecting.coins will be for the discussion of all things related
to coin collecting. Suitable topics will include:
Tokens, currency, pattern, medal collecting
News relevant to coin collecting
Grading
Cleaning
Upcoming coin shows/programs
History behind coins
How not to get ripped off by dealers, mail order places, etc.
Book reviews
Rare finds in circulating currency
Questions about particular coins-- identifying, appraising, etc.
Offers for trades, price lists, auctions
Little Ricky
"Jamie" <bli...@mathforum.org> wrote in message
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Reid Goldsborough
> Give it a rest, Frank.
The post of Frank's that you responded to, as with other of his
commercial posts that are clearly marked as ads for his eBay auctions,
didn't violate any rules of eBay, Usenet, or RCC. When RCC was formed 17
years ago, the founders specifically allowed for "Offers for trades,
price lists, auctions."
The convention has since evolved to clearly label such posts in the
subject line, so people can read or not read the rest of the post as
they desire. Some posters use the abbreviation "FA:" for "For Auction:"
or "FS:" for "For Sale"," followed by what it is they're selling.
Others, like Frank, just spell things out, which serves the same
purpose. Some of this is mentioned in "Coin Collecting FAQ - Internet
Resources" at
http://www.mycoincollecting.com/collecting/coincollectingfaq4.html,
which is an FAQ of sorts for this group, though it's far from complete
or comprehensive and isn't meant to be.
Throughout Usenet as well as the online world of discussion in general,
some posters use a particular discussion group just for posting ads.
Others, like Frank, also contribute substantive noncommercial
discussion. This isn't a part of the RCC charter or FAQ, but as with
other online discussion groups that permit ads, this is considered good
netiquette and good manners.
Why have you reported him, let's see, 96 times?
--
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Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos
SpammersAreClueless
<snip>
>Why have you reported him, let's see, 96 times?
Maybe because it was cross-posted to a group that strictly forbids ads?
Reid Goldsborough
>> Why have you reported him, let's see, 96 times?
>
> Maybe because it was cross-posted to a group that strictly forbids ads?
It wasn't Frank doing the crossposting. I don't follow all of his
auctions or posts, but I just checked, and the three last commercial
posts to RCC by Frank were posted only to RCC, not crossposted. What it
seems that you're referring to is the post by "Jamie," who started a new
thread with the subject line "Coins for Sale," a subject line not used
by Frank, to comment on Frank and who crossposted this post to RCC and
alt.marketing.online.ebay. A quick check indicates that "Jamie" seems to
like to nymshift, posting under a multitude of different names, with
this being his first post here under "Jamie." Who's the bad guy here?
Lumpy
> The convention has since evolved to clearly label such posts in the
> subject line, so people can read or not read the rest of the post as
> they desire. Some posters use the abbreviation "FA:" for "For
> Auction:" or "FS:" for "For Sale"," followed by what it is they're
I love Frank. I want to be his BrickBoy.
Lumpy
You sang all those car commercials?
You got it, Toyota.
www.LumpyMusic.com
PeterD
Naw, that couldn't possibly be it... There's now way that Mr.
Goldsborough would fail to understand that AMOE doesn't allow ads and
spam. No possible way in hell, right Mr. Goldsborough?
--
I'm never going to grow up.
PeterD
> On 3/15/2011 11:31 AM, SpammersAreClueless wrote:
>
>>> Why have you reported him, let's see, 96 times?
>>
>> Maybe because it was cross-posted to a group that strictly forbids ads?
>
> It wasn't Frank doing the crossposting. I don't follow all of his
> auctions or posts, but I just checked, and the three last commercial
> posts to RCC by Frank were posted only to RCC, not crossposted. What it
> seems that you're referring to is the post by "Jamie," who started a new
> thread with the subject line "Coins for Sale," a subject line not used
> by Frank, to comment on Frank and who crossposted this post to RCC and
> alt.marketing.online.ebay. A quick check indicates that "Jamie" seems to
> like to nymshift, posting under a multitude of different names, with
> this being his first post here under "Jamie." Who's the bad guy here?
>
You are...
BrotherBart
Frank Provasek
> On 3/15/2011 11:31 AM, SpammersAreClueless wrote:
>
>
> > <snip>
>
> >> Why have you reported him, let's see, 96 times?
>
> > Maybe because it was cross-posted to a group that strictly forbids ads?
>
> Naw, that couldn't possibly be it... There's now way that Mr.
> Goldsborough would fail to understand that AMOE doesn't allow ads and
> spam. No possible way in hell, right Mr. Goldsborough?
> --
> I'm never going to grow up.
I did not cross post or otherwise post anything about my coin sales
except in rec.collecting.coins.
Gary
Is anyone else able to access Frank's page at www.frankcoins.com
Reid Goldsborough
> Naw, that couldn't possibly be it... There's now way that Mr.
> Goldsborough would fail to understand that AMOE doesn't allow ads and
> spam. No possible way in hell, right Mr. Goldsborough?
Do you not understand that Frank did NOT post to AMOE? "Jamie" did. Not
Frank. Frank posted only here, to RCC. He did not crosspost. "Jamie" did
in announcing he was reporting Frank ... 96 times. I pointed this out,
very clearly. Check for yourself if you don't believe me. Or just flame
away some more mindlessly.
Bremick
"Reid Goldsborough" <reidgol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On 3/15/2011 1:15 PM, PeterD wrote:
>> Naw, that couldn't possibly be it... There's now way that Mr.
>> Goldsborough would fail to understand that AMOE doesn't allow ads and
>> spam. No possible way in hell, right Mr. Goldsborough?
>
> Do you not understand that Frank did NOT post to AMOE? "Jamie" did. Not
> Frank. Frank posted only here, to RCC. He did not crosspost. "Jamie" did
> in announcing he was reporting Frank ... 96 times. I pointed this out,
> very clearly. Check for yourself if you don't believe me. Or just flame
> away some more mindlessly.
>
Just out of curiosity, are "Frank" and "Frank Provasek" the same person on
RCC? If so, the initial Coins For Sale post by "Frank" on 3/9/11 was posted
to both AMOE and RCC. Jamie's "Give it a rest" post was the first reply.
technomaNge
>
> It wasn't Frank doing the crossposting. I don't follow all of his
The headers say Frank posted to amoe and rcc
from aioe.org.
Just like you posted from altopia.
Learn to read headers, lots of useful information there.
technomaNge
--
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Psalm 109.8
(Duine, on a.r.k)
Frank Provasek
There is no post "Coins for Sale" in my posting history. No such post
shows in the google archive, only Jamie's post. Been on hold
with my website host for a half hour trying to figure out what is
wrong with my website and I am going crazy
with my self hosted ebay pictures not showing up with a bunch of
expensive auctions ending tonight.
Reid Goldsborough
> The headers say Frank posted to amoe and rcc
> from aioe.org.
This may be a limitation of Google Groups, or it may be something a lot
more odious. My newsgroup service provider, or the way I set it up,
displays only about the 100 most recent posts. For older posts I use
Google Groups. Google Groups indicates that in RCC "Jamie" started the
"Coins for Sale" thread. But in checking AMOE
(alt.marketing.online.eBay), Google Groups indicates that this thread
was started by "Frank" <fr...@frankcoins.com>. This is Frank Provasek's
email address (or part of it), but Frank as far as I know uses his full
name, and a very quick check seems to confirm this. So this post may
have been spoofed merely to attack Frank for it, based also on Frank's
response here and on the truly loathsome, hateful approach some take
toward him. Maybe. Note that I have no personal stake here, never met
Frank, just bought my first coin from him about a month ago. I'm just
commenting on what appears to be another case of Usenet weirdness.
Frank Provasek
wrote:
Someone just emailed me this.
Path: aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: "Frank" <fr...@frankcoins.com>
Newsgroups: alt.marketing.online.ebay,rec.collecting.coins
Subject: Coins For Sale
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 21:30:58 -0600
Organization: Pedophiles International
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18763
New items on ebay
Most with no minimums or reserves.
Many hard to find kiddy items on sale...hurry befor the account is
cancelled
http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/frankcoins
Thanks for looking
Frank
tony cooper
Someone is submitting bogus postings in Frank's name. If you press
"H" when the message is open, you will see the full headers. You will
see:
Organization: Pedophiles International
Lines: 15
Message-ID: <il9gln$bvh$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: vRFJrN53hDP3Bb3c65GkZQ.user.speranza.aioe.org
X-Complaints-To: ab...@aioe.org
The headers for authentic posts from Frank read:
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 43
Message-ID:
<86accbdb-d4e7-47f6...@hd10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>
References: <il9gln$bvh$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
<ilmqi0$56l$1...@speranza.aioe.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.129.152.130
X-Complaints-To: groups...@google.com
(abbreviated headings)
Frank has a long history of vicious experiences with posters in the
"amoe" (alt.marketing.online.ebay) group. Frank has contributed to
the problem, but he's been more the victim than the aggressor.
I used to read and post in amoe, but haven't for several years. If I
remember correctly, the problems started with an argument over Frank's
insistence that it was acceptable to email previous eBay buyers to
announce current eBay ads. The counter-argument was that eBay's TOS
forbids using eBay contacts in this way. The argument escalated, and
various very unethical things were done by some amoe posters. I
believe Frank's eBay account was canceled a few times over this.
The posts you see here from "Brother Bart" and "Lumpy" are
continuations of the original problem. Those two are regular posters
in amoe, but have nothing to do with coin collecting.
The general feeling in amoe when the fight was at its peak was that if
Frank would just STFU and quit posting to amoe, the problems would die
out. Frank didn't follow that advice.
Fights in amoe tend to get very nasty and personal. Only Oly, and
sometimes Reid, seem to descend to that level here.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
tony cooper
<reidgol...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 3/15/2011 11:19 PM, technomaNge wrote:
>> The headers say Frank posted to amoe and rcc
>> from aioe.org.
>
>This may be a limitation of Google Groups, or it may be something a lot
>more odious. My newsgroup service provider, or the way I set it up,
>displays only about the 100 most recent posts. For older posts I use
>Google Groups. Google Groups indicates that in RCC "Jamie" started the
>"Coins for Sale" thread. But in checking AMOE
>(alt.marketing.online.eBay), Google Groups indicates that this thread
>was started by "Frank" <fr...@frankcoins.com>. This is Frank Provasek's
>email address (or part of it), but Frank as far as I know uses his full
>name, and a very quick check seems to confirm this. So this post may
>have been spoofed
Not "may have been". Was. Check the headers.
> merely to attack Frank for it, based also on Frank's
>response here and on the truly loathsome, hateful approach some take
>toward him. Maybe. Note that I have no personal stake here, never met
>Frank, just bought my first coin from him about a month ago. I'm just
>commenting on what appears to be another case of Usenet weirdness.
--
Lumpy
> ...Been on hold
> with my website host for a half hour trying to figure out what is
> wrong with my website and I am going crazy
> with my self hosted ebay pictures not showing up with a bunch of
> expensive auctions ending tonight.
Frank's admitted to spamming for years.
And every so often one or more of us goes through
the motions of getting his eBay acct suspended or getting his
web page closed.
Instead of realizing "Hey maybe this isn't such a great idea"
Frank just whines about "It's not against the rules to spam".
If there is a phantom Frank, Doncha spose that if the real
Frank would stop being such a fuckwad, the phantom would stop?
Even more likely is that the phantom is Frank himself,
or one or more of his shills.
It's all about Frank. I think he digs the ass kicking.
Pogonip
> Newsgroups: alt.marketing.online.ebay,rec.collecting.coins
> Subject: Coins For Sale
> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 21:30:58 -0600
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> Xref: news.bnb-lp.com alt.marketing.online.ebay:641058 rec.collecting.coins:633447
>
> New items on ebay
>
> Most with no minimums or reserves.
>
> Many hard to find kiddy items on sale...hurry befor the account is cancelled
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/frankcoins
>
> Thanks for looking
>
> Frank
>
> 1-800-246-7440
>
>
I am not a fan of Frank, nor of spam on amoe. But looking at this
header and the message, I seriously doubt Frank sent it.
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Beanie
news:4d80...@news.bnb-lp.com...
> I am not a fan of Frank, nor of spam on amoe. But looking at this header and
> the message, I seriously doubt Frank sent it.
Frank seems to find enemies everywhere he goes.
He kept breaking the rules on eBay, then whined when they came down hard on him,
suspending his account multiple times and cancelling many of his auctions.
Of course, Frank wouldn't shoulder any of the responsibility for his actions,
prefering to blame others for his problems.
Now he lists non-eBay approved TPG coins as "slabbed" in his auction
descriptions.
If eBay cancels those auctions, he will be whining about a conspiracy to put him
out of business.
If Frank was as smart as he thinks he is, he'd stay far away from Usenet.
OTOH I agree with you that is most likely wasn't Frank who cross-posted on amoe.
Frantisek Baltiska
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